Critique my link building plan and two questions

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Beginner here looking for input and discussion. Here is a brief outline of my link building plan that I cobbled together after reading this forum for a while and compiling other ideas. I can certainly provide more detail, but for the sake of brevity, here is the outline:

1. Created an direct layer of twelve web 2.0 sites, each with a few spun articles each. Links on site and in articles link to money site using a variety of anchor text (15 varieties) and three URLs. More articles to be added, this is just what I have so far.
  • Embedded YouTube video on each article. Youtube video is created by me and links back to money site in description
2. Created a pdf on scribed and ppt on slideshare, each with unique description and link back to money site.

3. Created indirect layer of bookmarking blasts that all link back to direct layer. Used SeoNuke, AMR and Bookmarking demon to blast using spun keywords.

As for my questions as a noob, here is what I have?

1. How long before I start to see results in Google for my money site for something like this? I've been tracking results for about three weeks and not much movement.

2. Creating the PPT takes about 3.5 hours and Video 2.5 hours. How "valuable" (in terms of link juice) are slideshare, youtube links and embedded video in each post? 5 hours is easily enough time to create a new, unique article, so trying to decide which would have more benefit.

Thanks for your help and comments in advance. I am looking forward to getting torn to shreds and learning in the process!
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  • Profile picture of the author PatrickLSO
    I think this would have worked a couple months ago, but the big G is cracking down on content. Unless your spun content is really good, Those links will be useless and may actually harm your money site.

    I would take the spinning out of the equation and I would also go mellow on the Senuke, AMR, and BMD.

    Now to answer your questions:
    1. It will usually take 3 weeks or more to see results.

    2. Youtube videos are pretty worthwhile. I don't know so much about the PPT.

    I would focus more on your money site than off site stuff to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    Quit this approach, forget all web2.0, SEnuke and all those easy link schemes. One good link will push your website up. As for scribd and ppt and sites alike, Google can't see those links so there is ZERO seo value.

    I also don't believe in 2nd tier link building any more as blog comments, profile links etc are pretty much useless anyway.

    Example. One of my clients sites was stuck on page 2 of Google at position 16 and the first link I gained for his site was on Tuesday and today we're on the first page of Google. The site improved its ranking because the link was relevant and it came from a domain that already had history and authority.

    SEO is really simple. Give Google what it wants (trust and relevancy) and you'll get high rankings. Any good SEO will tell you time and time again 1 powerful link will trump 10,000 profile / web2.0 links.

    You'll spend less time link building with better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
    You lost me at "spun".
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  • Profile picture of the author enterscope
    Yeah it's one of those things that you can spend 1000 hours on trying to short cut your website's success with spun content/low quality articles or you can spend 100 hours actually writing and creating valuable information that people will want. You might get some backlinks doing what you're doing and it won't necessarily "hurt" you but it can prevent you from getting the results you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Nice to see I'm not the only one here who thinks spamming Web2.0s is a dead end seo tunnel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Duy Nguyen
    Originally Posted by johnhowle View Post

    Beginner here looking for input and discussion. Here is a brief outline of my link building plan that I cobbled together after reading this forum for a while and compiling other ideas. I can certainly provide more detail, but for the sake of brevity, here is the outline:

    1. Created an direct layer of twelve web 2.0 sites, each with a few spun articles each. Links on site and in articles link to money site using a variety of anchor text (15 varieties) and three URLs. More articles to be added, this is just what I have so far.
    • Embedded YouTube video on each article. Youtube video is created by me and links back to money site in description
    2. Created a pdf on scribed and ppt on slideshare, each with unique description and link back to money site.

    3. Created indirect layer of bookmarking blasts that all link back to direct layer. Used SeoNuke, AMR and Bookmarking demon to blast using spun keywords.

    As for my questions as a noob, here is what I have?

    1. How long before I start to see results in Google for my money site for something like this? I've been tracking results for about three weeks and not much movement.

    2. Creating the PPT takes about 3.5 hours and Video 2.5 hours. How "valuable" (in terms of link juice) are slideshare, youtube links and embedded video in each post? 5 hours is easily enough time to create a new, unique article, so trying to decide which would have more benefit.

    Thanks for your help and comments in advance. I am looking forward to getting torn to shreds and learning in the process!
    Sounds like a good plan to rank for easy-medium keywords

    I just want to suggest you:

    - Make sure you hand-spin the articles. NO auto-push-button spinning here. Make sure after you hit the spin button, your article is readable by real human. Keep it at around 70% uniqueness (I use TBS), the more the better.

    - The pdf file and the ppt slide are good for link diversification. Just do a Google search for about tens file sharing sites where you can submit your files. Google CAN read links in PDF and PPT files, it will even be able to read Flash in near future so go for it

    - And Holysh*t! Who needs 6 hours just to create a PPT file and a video? I finish both of them in 30 minutes max! Just grab one of your spun articles, pick out the main ideas, put in some relevant images and you're done with the PPT (and the PDF also if you like). Then snapshot the slides, use a free video maker to put the images of your slide together with a background music >>> done with the video (just need to be around 2 minutes long). If you create them just for links, then that's enough.

    - Social bookmarking your tier 1 link is good. No comment here. You can try adding in some wiki links or article submission to tier 1 links.

    - Your link building is a little bit lacking diversification. Try to put in some (real) blog comments, forum links, social media links (from FB, Twitter, G+), top article directories submission, press release (if you're really good at writing), and more Web 2.0 articles.

    That's it buddy. For easy-medium keywords, you should expect to see real movements in 3-4 weeks. And make sure your Onpage SEO is decent enough before doing any link building.

    Now go test things yourself. And always remember to take what people say with a grain of salt (even what you've read from me). Only you and your own experience will be the correct answer
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  • Profile picture of the author johnhowle
    Thank you everyone for the replies, thoughts, and comments. I really do appreciate them.

    Typically, I post three 1000 word articles and one 1-hour video interview to my money site each week. These are written by myself and some prominent members of my niche community, so very high value. This link building campaign is designed to target some specific keywords for products we sell.

    I should also clarify that it's not me performing this task, I outsourced it. Each round cost about $50-60. I freelance for some of the biggest sites in my niche (magazines) and make about $150-300 per article, so that's how I calculate my own hourly rate for content production (takes me about 3 hours to write an article). Basically, I am looking to see what the ROI is for this campaign in terms of link building, value, and time/money spent.

    Thanks again for taking the time to reply and send your thoughts. I will definitely be tweaking the process from here.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnnys229
    A few caveats based on your plan:

    1. Mass social bookmarking may have a negative impact on your site as of 24 April 2012
    2. Mass AMR submissions has an even higher chance of penalization, especially with spun content, even more so if that content is poorly spun.

    You need to find sources of links that are trusted and not which everyone else and his pet dog is spamming. For example, high quality moderated blogs with good quality, relevant, contextual comments, or guest posting on a niche relevant blog. As mentioned above, trust and quality outweigh quality in 2012.
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  • Profile picture of the author kochtgr
    keep creating youtube videos and pdfs but don't spent your time on all the others, in my surprise some one said that youtube videos are worthless this such a big lie, youtube videos rank much easier than any other text page and eventhough a link on the discription of a youtube video is nofollow is still valuable, of course it's not only the SEO part you can get a lot of traffic with videos if they worth it...
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