Private networks still work

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Private networks still works, and i might say that it works better than before Penguin update.

I have a 40 different domains private network with 1 x pr 4, 8 x pr 3, 11 x pr 2, 9 x pr 1 si 11 x pr 0 .

Some of them old and with high authorithy . i have built them on some different ip's on some different servers .

I put an unique article per each of them and have marvelous effects. I have to say that i do not build more than 2 links per article.

The websites are very different one from the others, built in time on some different structures, with unique content , very well done.

The idea of this post is to respond to those which says private networks are dead. Get a life men !!! IT STILL WORKS....

Right now i am working to have aprox 100 different domains until tha end of this year.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    of course they still work......

    They only stop working when they get **** spammed out of them by everybody else...

    you need to make sure that you keep the quality up and dont let anybody else use them :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      I keep thet very "private " if you got my point, i use only for me and some of my clients.

      It is the best tool i can get , but mine is different cause when i have made the websites i haven't think about a private network , i have just made the websites for visitors with real good information.

      Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

      of course they still work......

      They only stop working when they get **** spammed out of them by everybody else...

      you need to make sure that you keep the quality up and dont let anybody else use them :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Tuned
      Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

      of course they still work......

      They only stop working when they get **** spammed out of them by everybody else...

      you need to make sure that you keep the quality up and dont let anybody else use them :-)
      exact and very right information provided... cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author bolocancristian
    I believe you! i am in the same situation and i must admite it still works.
    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author katona44
    Of course they work....who told they didn`t?
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Private networks definitely still work and pretty much always will unless Google completely scraps the whole idea of Page Rank which I don't see happening. Having your own private network of sites is the most powerful thing any SEO could do. I think when people are saying networks are dead the mean ones like BMR, ALN ect.. which is very different.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      i perfectly agree with your saying. That is the point of it...

      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      Private networks definitely still work and pretty much always will unless Google completely scraps the whole idea of Page Rank which I don't see happening. Having your own private network of sites is the most powerful thing any SEO could do. I think when people are saying networks are dead the mean ones like BMR, ALN ect.. which is very different.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Of course they do. I'd aim for PR3+ sites though. Oh and also - niche blogs > general blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Give us a link bro?
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  • Profile picture of the author gPlayer
    Private blog network is not dead but those private network who have a name they are in danger.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
      Originally Posted by gPlayer View Post

      Private blog network is not dead but those private network who have a name they are in danger.
      If they have a name, they aren't very private!

      Contextual backlinks on pages (not sites) with high PR and relevant content are still the most powerful SEO weapon going.

      Just make sure the Anchors are mixed a lot, IP and geodiversity of hosting is widely varied, media richness on the pages is nice and a few outbound authority links are thrown in for good measure.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        If they have a name, they aren't very private!

        Contextual backlinks on pages (not sites) with high PR and relevant content are still the most powerful SEO weapon going.

        Just make sure the Anchors are mixed a lot, IP and geodiversity of hosting is widely varied, media richness on the pages is nice and a few outbound authority links are thrown in for good measure.
        Yeah you've also noticed that Google is much more anchor sensitive with high PR links then with just normal links like web2.0's and such?
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        Very good advices Terry .. I agree with you entirely but with a little observation ... The related niche should be in that article not The ENTIRE SITE !!!

        This is my opinion , i hope you will agree with it....

        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        If they have a name, they aren't very private!

        Contextual backlinks on pages (not sites) with high PR and relevant content are still the most powerful SEO weapon going.

        Just make sure the Anchors are mixed a lot, IP and geodiversity of hosting is widely varied, media richness on the pages is nice and a few outbound authority links are thrown in for good measure.
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  • Profile picture of the author DCudmore
    Are they all unique IPs? any hosting recommendations?
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  • Profile picture of the author heft
    I do think they still work but I think its a matter of time until Google track them down...

    I'd keep using them but wouldn't risk pointing them at my main money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author heft
    I do think they still work really well as long as you can keep them totally seperate...

    I wouldn't point them at my main money site tho as i'm pretty sure Google will be tracking these down soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Yup. I'm glad I started building mine. 10 great links on homepage is way better than 1000 spammy links lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      Yup. I'm glad I started building mine. 10 great links on homepage is way better than 1000 spammy links lol
      Most people have no idea how much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I agree with you, Private Network is the bomb especially when they are high pr.
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  • Profile picture of the author deezn
    How many blogs in the private network to be effective?
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by deeznuts View Post

      How many blogs in the private network to be effective?
      Tough to answer because it depends on how competitive the keyword is you're trying to rank. Low comp may only take a few high pr sites in your network, while higher comp keywords would obviously take many more.
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    • Profile picture of the author J3thro M
      Originally Posted by deeznuts View Post

      How many blogs in the private network to be effective?
      Just limit it to 5-10 private high pr blogs pointing to your money site. It is safer that way and you could mix other seo methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author risingrank
    It works because contextual + high pr are important in google algorithm.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    They are built on some different servers .. About 15 different ip's

    Originally Posted by JTringer View Post

    do you host on unique ips? any hosting recommendations?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I am getting my clients to PAGE #1 with my private blog network =)

    Damn straight they still work! I don't get a lot of clients, but when I do, they keep my services close to their chest. When people find something that works, they tend to keep it on the down-low.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      You got that right man .. I saw your product .. it is a interesting product..

      mine is 40 domains.. soon will be 100 ...

      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I am getting my clients to PAGE #1 with my private blog network =)

      Damn straight they still work! I don't get a lot of clients, but when I do, they keep my services close to their chest. When people find something that works, they tend to keep it on the down-low.
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      • Profile picture of the author uqmoore
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        You got that right man .. I saw your product .. it is a interesting product..

        mine is 40 domains.. soon will be 100 ...
        How do you host your 40 domains? Do you use a reseller account or VPS? I want to create a network of 5-10 sites that point to my money site. Should these sites be hosted on separate accounts?
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        • Profile picture of the author bradudan
          I have 2 reseller acounts on 2 different huge companies. Aprox 15 different ips.

          I have also some of them 5 or so hosted on small accounts , every with different ip .

          Soon i will take the third resseler acount for another 15 sites... and so on

          Originally Posted by uqmoore View Post

          How do you host your 40 domains? Do you use a reseller account or VPS? I want to create a network of 5-10 sites that point to my money site. Should these sites be hosted on separate accounts?
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Private networks will work beautifully until exposed ( usually do to over sell)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Private networks will work beautifully until exposed ( usually do to over sell)
      Op is talking about truly private networks not public rental networks
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      • Profile picture of the author dgmufasa
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Op is talking about truly private networks not public rental networks
        What's the difference? Are you saying "public rental" is something like Hostgator and private rental is something that you host on your own?
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        • Profile picture of the author Nics
          Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

          What's the difference? Are you saying "public rental" is something like Hostgator and private rental is something that you host on your own?
          Public rental meaning you pay to put content on a network of blogs that someone else controls. Private is a blog network that you control and nobody else has access to it without going through you. Nothing to do with what hosting you use.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
          Originally Posted by dgmufasa View Post

          What's the difference? Are you saying "public rental" is something like Hostgator and private rental is something that you host on your own?
          public rental = BMR, SEOLinkvine, and alike. You pay and you use the network. Everyone knows about.

          Private rental = You will physically have to find someone to let you in their network. Pick up the phone and make contact.
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          • Profile picture of the author bradudan
            Thanks Michael for explanation.

            The idea of Michael is that this so called 'private networks' are built fom own use , they are not public by any way . But if you want to post your articles you have to contact the owner and ask him so..

            That is the point....

            Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

            public rental = BMR, SEOLinkvine, and alike. You pay and you use the network. Everyone knows about.

            Private rental = You will physically have to find someone to let you in their network. Pick up the phone and make contact.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      You are perfectly right...

      I do not make any arvertise with the links ...

      I have my clients and i do not except many clients ...

      You have to be very careful about it...

      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Private networks will work beautifully until exposed ( usually do to over sell)
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  • Profile picture of the author Yohance j
    What exactly does private networks mean? Is it where you network between each site?
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    • Profile picture of the author satrap
      Originally Posted by Yohance j View Post

      What exactly does private networks mean? Is it where you network between each site?
      Basically, you have a number of sites (usually with high PR) that only link to your main site (and maybe a few clients of yours).

      The basic idea is that since there aren't many outgoing links on those high PR domains, your main site gets a lot of link juice since it gets a link from each of those high pr sites and it helps it to rank higher.

      Thats the basics of it. But, there is a lot more to it if you want to make it work, like having different hosts for each (or every few) domain(s), using different themes and etc to hide from Google the fact that you are the one who owns all of these sites that link to your main site.

      You hide that because Google counts links to your site as votes. And in theory the more votes you get, the higher you rank (of course there is a lot more to it here as well). So, you voting for yourself doesn't really count (well it does unless Google finds out) and if Google finds out you do that, they may de-index all of your sites (in the network) and your main site may lose its current ranking as well.

      I hope I didn't confuse the hell out of you with my long explanation. Thats the way I understand it. I am sure other warriors will step in and explain it in a sentence or two that is easy to understand, lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        Very nice explanation man . You have got my respect for that ..

        Thanks for this good info too all .... It is important for lots here to understand what a private network is, how is made ... to fully appreciate it...

        Originally Posted by satrap View Post

        Basically, you have a number of sites (usually with high PR) that only link to your main site (and maybe a few clients of yours).

        The basic idea is that since there aren't many outgoing links on those high PR domains, your main site gets a lot of link juice since it gets a link from each of those high pr sites and it helps it to rank higher.

        Thats the basics of it. But, there is a lot more to it if you want to make it work, like having different hosts for each (or every few) domain(s), using different themes and etc to hide from Google the fact that you are the one who owns all of these sites that link to your main site.

        You hide that because Google counts links to your site as votes. And in theory the more votes you get, the higher you rank (of course there is a lot more to it here as well). So, you voting for yourself doesn't really count (well it does unless Google finds out) and if Google finds out you do that, they may de-index all of your sites (in the network) and your main site may lose its current ranking as well.

        I hope I didn't confuse the hell out of you with my long explanation. Thats the way I understand it. I am sure other warriors will step in and explain it in a sentence or two that is easy to understand, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author nkneuper
    Sure, private networks work because they are much harder to detect... especially if you don't abuse them. Just be careful that you don't ONLY link to your money sites... mix authority sites in there as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
      Originally Posted by nkneuper View Post

      Sure, private networks work because they are much harder to detect... especially if you don't abuse them. Just be careful that you don't ONLY link to your money sites... mix authority sites in there as well.
      Yep, occasionally link to Wikipedia, news stories, etc. Failing to do that is a dead giveaway that the site is part of an SEO network.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        nice one Frank .. i use the wikipedia and most important news sites for that purpose... It is a true fact that you need outbound links to authorithy sites ...

        thanks for contribution...

        Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

        Yep, occasionally link to Wikipedia, news stories, etc. Failing to do that is a dead giveaway that the site is part of an SEO network.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Guys is anyone here using seo hosting? Or are you all using generic hosting that's spread around?

    Surely seo hosting would be easier than having multiple accounts everywhere no?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Guys is anyone here using seo hosting? Or are you all using generic hosting that's spread around?
      I'm using a bunch (well over 50) of "regular" accounts: hostgator, bluehost, site5, fatcow, justhost, webair, etc... some of them can offer totally different IP ranges, which is pretty cool.

      It's a bit more expensive than SEO hosting, but you can sort of limit the expenses by putting multiple websites per hosting account (for instance if you have 3x50 niche site networks that don't link to the same sites). I've not had any problems doing this.

      Surely seo hosting would be easier than having multiple accounts everywhere no?
      I think so, but with a little help it's not that bad tbh. I pay someone to manage and post to these blogs for me (all posts are added manually as well - with formatting, images, etc).
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    • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Guys is anyone here using seo hosting? Or are you all using generic hosting that's spread around?

      Surely seo hosting would be easier than having multiple accounts everywhere no?
      Hi, stay away from SEO hosting.

      P.S - In my eyes, If you do not own your own "private blog network", you are not an SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        I perfectly agree with you regarding Seo hosting..

        Google has an eye on those servers...

        You better make resseller accounts on different companies ...It is safer i guess

        Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

        Hi, stay away from SEO hosting.

        P.S - In my eyes, If you do not own your own "private blog network", you are not an SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

        Hi, stay away from SEO hosting.

        P.S - In my eyes, If you do not own your own "private blog network", you are not an SEO.
        Why?

        Is this based on fact or opinion?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Why?

          Is this based on fact or opinion?
          Just his opinion. There are many white hat guys that build links without owning their own network. Its just not the kind of link building Imers would want to do.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Why?

          Is this based on fact or opinion?
          It's based on a fact. Like Mike already said, SEO hostings are one of the main reasons why the blog networks went down so easily. Just type in any SEO hosting IP and do reverse IP checkup and you'll see that each single site on those hostings are as obvious as they can be. If Google would put a team on it they could take down so many sites so easily, it's just not funny anymore.

          Besides that SEO hostings often offer such low bandwith and diskspace that you can't even host some proper sites on it. I'm a great fan of shared hosting myself and it's really not more expensive. A-class SEO hosting costs about $4-5/month per IP, I get shared hosting plans for $30/year so do the math. And cause I handle tons of clients I can host multiple sites on the same shared hosting plans as they link out to tons of different websites and share the IP with 100-200 other real websites. The only thing that I find nasty about so many shared hosting plans (I have a LOT), is that I have to keep track of payments. I could easily forget some once in a while.

          My network consists of 250+ sites right now (not bad in a 3-4 months time), and not a single client will get links from more then 25 sites pointed at 1 of their websites. This in combination with the shared hosting plans makes my network the safest of all I think. At worse I could lose 25 sites and even then I don't think that will happen as most of the sites are themed in such way that they will most probably pass a manual review.

          Like Bradudan says as well, you need to protect your sites well, so I also only use unique content on my sites (except for the 100 sites in my tier2 network but well that's tier2 so I can go a bit more crazy on that and can't be bother that much if they get deindexed as it are pretty low budget sites).

          Not sure what you mean with this though: "200 very good social links to each article", are there even 200 very good social sites?
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          • Profile picture of the author webskills
            Agree that private networks do work (for low-medium competition niches), providing you avoid any footprints, e.g. hosting, etc.

            The main issues for most are the costs and time of maintaining a largeish network, e.g. 100+ sites, unless you have some sort of automation.
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          • Profile picture of the author bradudan
            Yes you got that right .. do not use seo hosting for private network . Put every site on different hosting company if you can or at least 10 on one ip.

            And especially do not link every site to every site in the network...

            Link them but randomly. make those sites as different as possible : Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal.... and do not use the same template to multiple sites.

            Post only good content user targeted... 100% unique. And you are perfectly safe if not abuse the links.

            I have very old domains mostly some websites are up for 2-6 years. It is important that although.

            The power of the links will increase in time.

            I wanted to say that every single seo article posted i will submit to first hand old accounts of delicious, twitter, wordpress, blogger, and lots more , several accounts to each ....

            These is for having a strongest link juice and popularity and get indexed in matter of minutes...

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            It's based on a fact. Like Mike already said, SEO hostings are one of the main reasons why the blog networks went down so easily. Just type in any SEO hosting IP and do reverse IP checkup and you'll see that each single site on those hostings are as obvious as they can be. If Google would put a team on it they could take down so many sites so easily, it's just not funny anymore.

            Besides that SEO hostings often offer such low bandwith and diskspace that you can't even host some proper sites on it. I'm a great fan of shared hosting myself and it's really not more expensive. A-class SEO hosting costs about $4-5/month per IP, I get shared hosting plans for $30/year so do the math. And cause I handle tons of clients I can host multiple sites on the same shared hosting plans as they link out to tons of different websites and share the IP with 100-200 other real websites. The only thing that I find nasty about so many shared hosting plans (I have a LOT), is that I have to keep track of payments. I could easily forget some once in a while.

            My network consists of 250+ sites right now (not bad in a 3-4 months time), and not a single client will get links from more then 25 sites pointed at 1 of their websites. This in combination with the shared hosting plans makes my network the safest of all I think. At worse I could lose 25 sites and even then I don't think that will happen as most of the sites are themed in such way that they will most probably pass a manual review.

            Like Bradudan says as well, you need to protect your sites well, so I also only use unique content on my sites (except for the 100 sites in my tier2 network but well that's tier2 so I can go a bit more crazy on that and can't be bother that much if they get deindexed as it are pretty low budget sites).

            Not sure what you mean with this though: "200 very good social links to each article", are there even 200 very good social sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Guys is anyone here using seo hosting? Or are you all using generic hosting that's spread around?

      Surely seo hosting would be easier than having multiple accounts everywhere no?
      Definitely easier but there has been quite a bit of indication that Google potentially used SEO hosts to target networks. I now have very few SEO host sites left. They are spread out over several hosts and its actually cheaper plus when you find good ones you can wait a month or two and get additional accounts from them that will end up on different Class C IPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheapseoplans
    They are bound to work ... but only till they are identified.
    Usually new/virgin sites which function within a link network are not found till they get highly saturated and it becomes obvious to search engines about what is being done on them.
    The best thing is NOT to buy links from any link networks.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by cheapseoplans View Post

      The best thing is NOT to buy links from any link networks.
      Re-read the thread man.

      *sigh
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by cheapseoplans View Post

      They are bound to work ... but only till they are identified.
      Usually new/virgin sites which function within a link network are not found till they get highly saturated and it becomes obvious to search engines about what is being done on them.
      The best thing is NOT to buy links from any link networks.
      This is NOT about buying links on some junk rental network. Does anyone ever read anymore?
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  • Profile picture of the author RedClickSeo
    Private blog networks for the sole purpose of SEO are dead. 100% i don't care what you say. Just cause you haven't been cought yet, doesn't mean it's not a dead strategy. If you steal and don't get caught it's still iligal.

    But blog networks are not dead, and NEVER will be. Done correctly, google LOVES them. Yahoo is one of the best examples in the world, they own over 50 sites in their network and carry more link power than anyone on this network could fathom.

    As long as you create blogs that actually have use to people, google is going to like them.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    This reseller hosting, can everyone just apply for that?

    I do it like this:

    tier1: money site
    tier2: high PR domains on shared hostings
    tier3: high PR domains on A-class SEO hosting
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  • Profile picture of the author orpaz191
    It really depands on he network. If it's your own network and you build a high quality one,. Sure it will work great.
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  • Profile picture of the author bragi
    Yes-private networks still works-but don't abuse them.
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  • I also using private network.But all are in different IP's. As of mine its going good..
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  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    I am in full agreement, private networks work very well, they provide our "bread and butter" so to speak.

    We operate a network that has reached 300 or so, 100% private. We don't "sell" any links.

    The network is run from a management console, the software running it is called Xmarkpro;
    (The developer Matt frequents this forum in fact)

    It allows the use of multiple shared hosting packages, different hosts, dedicated, virtual, it matters not.

    It allows almost single click installation of a fully customised wordpress blog, including setting up the add-on domain, sql database, content and all.
    (You have to manually set the DNS entries at your registrar)

    From the same console you get single click logins to any domain, and various other niceties that you'll find out about if you take that route.

    Plus, I firmly believe that any blog network is safe as long as you actually provide some useful value to the web, plus you get full control of the "link" produced:

    URL, URI, Title, Meta, Content, Images, Tags, Anchor.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      Nice job man...

      i use some different scripts .... on real website that has very valuable info for users. I have tumblr , wordpress, joomla, etc.... very different

      They has traffic and also put those links and especially 100% unique articles with max 2 links on it...

      I guess i will gave up to those blogroll links and footer links cause i have noticed that the power is decreasing lately but articles rules man.

      So contextual links on 100 % unique , media rich articles are the stongest seo tool ever, so i start to focus only on that ones with a bunch of 200 very good social links to each article.

      I have amazing results... Try it on

      Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

      I am in full agreement, private networks work very well, they provide our "bread and butter" so to speak.

      We operate a network that has reached 300 or so, 100% private. We don't "sell" any links.

      The network is run from a management console, the software running it is called Xmarkpro;
      (The developer Matt frequents this forum in fact)

      It allows the use of multiple shared hosting packages, different hosts, dedicated, virtual, it matters not.

      It allows almost single click installation of a fully customised wordpress blog, including setting up the add-on domain, sql database, content and all.
      (You have to manually set the DNS entries at your registrar)

      From the same console you get single click logins to any domain, and various other niceties that you'll find out about if you take that route.

      Plus, I firmly believe that any blog network is safe as long as you actually provide some useful value to the web, plus you get full control of the "link" produced:

      URL, URI, Title, Meta, Content, Images, Tags, Anchor.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Well given I'm still ranking sites with public networks like ALN and Ranksolver I can disagree that private networks work as well.

    Granted I'm only expecting these rankings to last until Google goes on another deindexing spree but for the amount of time/investment it took to build a site and schedule a post everyday for a month I dont really care.

    Perhaps now so many people are scared to use public networks Google wont need to do another deindexing sweep, lets hope so =D
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  • Profile picture of the author theBUSINESS
    Remember guys, don't just rely on high PR blogposts.

    DIVERSIFYING YOUR BACKLINK PROFILE IS KEY!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

      Remember guys, don't just rely on high PR blogposts.

      DIVERSIFYING YOUR BACKLINK PROFILE IS KEY!
      That is complete nonsense. You can rank a site just fine with nothing but blogposts. This diversify crap is a big myth.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        This is the first statement coming from you that i absolutely agree...

        I guess unique articles on as many different domains as possible will ensure succes on any niche...

        This is the best way . That is why i intensify this kind os service for my clients... i guess it will be the single one...

        have no risk involved and even can bring you traffic.

        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        That is complete nonsense. You can rank a site just fine with nothing but blogposts. This diversify crap is a big myth.
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      • Profile picture of the author theBUSINESS
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        That is complete nonsense. You can rank a site just fine with nothing but blogposts. This diversify crap is a big myth.
        So a site that only has one type of backlink is considered natural in google eyes?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

          So a site that only has one type of backlink is considered natural in google eyes?
          And a site with blog comments, forum signatures, and profile links is somehow more "natural"?
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          • Profile picture of the author theBUSINESS
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            And a site with blog comments, forum signatures, and profile links is somehow more "natural"?
            Who said that?

            Diversity in terms of seo means getting a link from as many sources as you can. Those links you've just mentioned should be used for tier 2's or tier 3's.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

              Who said that?

              Diversity in terms of seo means getting a link from as many sources as you can. Those links you've just mentioned should be used for tier 2's or tier 3's.
              Actually, I wouldn't touch forum signatures or profile links for SEO on tier 2's, 3's, 4's or anything. Worthless.

              The whole tier thing is foolish. If a link isn't good enough to point at your money site, I wouldn't point it at anything else either.

              Penguin started hurting sites with bad links. How long until you think Google takes the next step and starts looking at the links pointing to links?

              Anyhow, back on topic... Yes, diversifying link sources is fine. I want links from as many good website as I can get. However, I am not focused on what "type" of links they are. Needing that type of diversity is a complete myth. I'll take in-context links from sites all day long with nothing else.
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              • Profile picture of the author d0de
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Penguin started hurting sites with bad links. How long until you think Google takes the next step and starts looking at the links pointing to links?
                I'm worried Google might start looking at people sniping dropped domains and trying to retain the PR. That seems like it might look more blackhat to me than tiered linking. Am I wrong about this? Do private blog networks not rely on buying dropped domains?

                On another point, while I can see why private blog networks work very well, I'm intimidated by the investment. Say I wanted to start a very small private network of say 10 sites. If I do 3 unique posts a week on each blog, that's 120 articles a month. If I pay bottom of the barrel of $5 per article that's $600 a month, plus another $50-100 per month to get hosting with 10 unique IPs. So that's $700 per month to have a tiny network to promote sites in only one niche? Am I right about that?
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                • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                  Originally Posted by d0de View Post

                  Do private blog networks not rely on buying dropped domains?
                  Most don't.

                  On another point, while I can see why private blog networks work very well, I'm intimidated by the investment. Say I wanted to start a very small private network of say 10 sites. If I do 3 unique posts a week on each blog, that's 120 articles a month. If I pay bottom of the barrel of $5 per article that's $600 a month, plus another $50-100 per month to get hosting with 10 unique IPs. So that's $700 per month to have a tiny network to promote sites in only one niche? Am I right about that?
                  Yes, if you are going after 10+ decent keywords across your sites. You only need 5-10 good backlinks to rank on page one, 120 posts = promote tons of keywords.

                  Cost to run a network of 10 sites? Whatever you pay for hosting. That's it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author d0de
                    Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                    Most don't.
                    In that case, doesn't that just shift the SEO burden? Even contextual links from unique content aren't worth that much if they're from PR0 sites with few backlinks, right? How do you build authority within your network if you don't buy domains with existing PR?


                    Yes, if you are going after 10+ decent keywords across your sites. You only need 5-10 good backlinks to rank on page one, 120 posts = promote tons of keywords.

                    Cost to run a network of 10 sites? Whatever you pay for hosting. That's it.
                    Ah, I think I get it now; even though these are "blog" networks, you don't actually keep them updated as blogs, is that right? So each "blog" might only have 5-10 posts and then be left alone for months or years? You don't regularly add content just to make them appear active?

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                    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                      Originally Posted by d0de View Post

                      In that case, doesn't that just shift the SEO burden? Even contextual links from unique content aren't worth that much if they're from PR0 sites with few backlinks, right? How do you build authority within your network if you don't buy domains with existing PR?
                      I buy domains with PR. Not dropped domains though.

                      Ah, I think I get it now; even though these are "blog" networks, you don't actually keep them updated as blogs, is that right? So each "blog" might only have 5-10 posts and then be left alone for months or years? You don't regularly add content just to make them appear active?
                      Exactamundo, broseph.
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                      • Profile picture of the author d0de
                        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                        I buy domains with PR. Not dropped domains though.
                        Ah I see, I get it now. I had been treating the two as synonymous, I can see now why they're not at all. Am I right in thinking that buying domains with PR is pretty much the same thing as buying websites? You approach people with existing properties and make an offer?

                        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                        Why would you do 3 articles a week? Forget about the public blog network model where sites got hammered with postings all the time. When I initially setup a site in my network, it is around 10 pages or so. Some of them I never post to again. Others I might post to every 1-2 months. There is no need to post 3 times a week unless you have a ton of sites you are trying to rank. In that case, you need more sites in your network instead.
                        I guess I just got confused by the "blog" nomenclature. I now see my mistake. Thanks
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                    Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

                    I mean, some people say that 10 sites is enough, some ppl say that you need 50+ high pr private blogs to get your sites ranked on the top...
                    Define low/medium competition.

                    I lost count how many keywords I put on page one this month. It's like Christmas, but better. Most medium comp. keywords only need 5 or so good blog post links (make sure that your on-page is good).
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by d0de View Post

                  On another point, while I can see why private blog networks work very well, I'm intimidated by the investment. Say I wanted to start a very small private network of say 10 sites. If I do 3 unique posts a week on each blog, that's 120 articles a month. If I pay bottom of the barrel of $5 per article that's $600 a month, plus another $50-100 per month to get hosting with 10 unique IPs. So that's $700 per month to have a tiny network to promote sites in only one niche? Am I right about that?
                  Why would you do 3 articles a week? Forget about the public blog network model where sites got hammered with postings all the time. When I initially setup a site in my network, it is around 10 pages or so. Some of them I never post to again. Others I might post to every 1-2 months. There is no need to post 3 times a week unless you have a ton of sites you are trying to rank. In that case, you need more sites in your network instead.
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                • Profile picture of the author bradudan
                  You do have to worry about that. Really.

                  You can use your new domains for private network . It is not a big deal with it. Important is to have different content , design, servers, and even different cms ( wordpress, joomla, drupal, etc) .

                  Last one is not mandatory but it is recommended.

                  You can promote any niche if you have your website with good content although. I use pages for articles and not publish them on first page to not bother the real viewers. I just tie the article to main root.

                  Originally Posted by d0de View Post

                  I'm worried Google might start looking at people sniping dropped domains and trying to retain the PR. That seems like it might look more blackhat to me than tiered linking. Am I wrong about this? Do private blog networks not rely on buying dropped domains?

                  On another point, while I can see why private blog networks work very well, I'm intimidated by the investment. Say I wanted to start a very small private network of say 10 sites. If I do 3 unique posts a week on each blog, that's 120 articles a month. If I pay bottom of the barrel of $5 per article that's $600 a month, plus another $50-100 per month to get hosting with 10 unique IPs. So that's $700 per month to have a tiny network to promote sites in only one niche? Am I right about that?
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              • Profile picture of the author bradudan
                I agree with you. Google has the interest to buy your place due too Googla Adwords.

                There is some rumors already that Google wants to expand the paid section on the search results.

                This one will be very tricky and i do not know in what way will impact the serps and Google supremacy as a search engine.. It will be interesting to watch though...

                Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

                What mike said was right, having a link point to your site in short period of whatever is consider manipulating the search result.

                Since Google/Matt Cutt, did not show any clue to rank a site, then we'll be using the underground way.
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                • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  That is complete nonsense. You can rank a site just fine with nothing but blogposts. This diversify crap is a big myth.
                  Yeah I hear that ^^

                  Although I dont expect it to work as a long term strategy when using public networks it does work, and it works just as well as it did before, if not better because less people are using them with all this fear mongering going on.

                  Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

                  So a site that only has one type of backlink is considered natural in google eyes?
                  I doubt Google computers dont care what 'type' of backlink it is, they will use a number of metrics to determine it's relevancy and importance.

                  Don't forget by definition a contextual relevant link from a high PR blog is the holy grail of link building, what does lots of holy grails equal?

                  The #1 spot ^^
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                  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
                    Matthew i must assure you that Google's computers are very smart nowadays..

                    So start respect them a little bit for good results in Serps..

                    All we know about spiders and algorithm is past . Think how it works right now. They have more and more complex way to value a backlink and they are so very smart these days.

                    Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

                    Yeah I hear that ^^

                    Although I dont expect it to work as a long term strategy when using public networks it does work, and it works just as well as it did before, if not better because less people are using them with all this fear mongering going on.



                    I doubt Google computers dont care what 'type' of backlink it is, they will use a number of metrics to determine it's relevancy and importance.

                    Don't forget by definition a contextual relevant link from a high PR blog is the holy grail of link building, what does lots of holy grails equal?

                    The #1 spot ^^
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                    • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
                      Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

                      Matthew i must assure you that Google's computers are very smart nowadays..

                      So start respect them a little bit for good results in Serps..

                      All we know about spiders and algorithm is past . Think how it works right now. They have more and more complex way to value a backlink and they are so very smart these days.
                      Nothing has changed much in the past 2-3 years other than a requirement for a higher standard of content (which actually just means no duplicate content, I can still rank character spun nonsense) and having a more natural looking link profile based on anchor text.

                      I dont see how they have gotten smarter. I think SEO's have just got stupider.
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                      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
                        i am sorry to say to you ..you are walking on unstable ground .

                        spun articles it is very risky these days.. It is a matter of time until you drop on rankings. that is now Curation concept strong. I do not know why you still spunned the articles.

                        Grab a curation software and believe me it is another issue. And please try to reevaluate your opinion about gogle's spiders... for your future rankings sake.

                        i can no tell you more but they are so f.... smart these days.

                        Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

                        Nothing has changed much in the past 2-3 years other than a requirement for a higher standard of content (which actually just means no duplicate content, I can still rank character spun nonsense) and having a more natural looking link profile based on anchor text.

                        I dont see how they have gotten smarter. I think SEO's have just got stupider.
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        • Profile picture of the author bradudan
          Mike got it right this time too..

          It was a time that every single type of links worth something 0.0001 but it worth.

          Now times are changing and the only good links that have real power is contextual links on so many different domains as you can get.

          But you need UNIQUE articles and max 2 links per article ( to not look spammy) .

          there is the curation concept for those which has no time to write their own articles.

          I have noticed that not pr should be the main reason for chosing an website to put an article on . I have seen so many pr 5 sites with very low link rank something about 1-3 and pr 0 sites with 45. You need to see domain age and links profile.

          I recommend tha Ahrefs proffesional tool for seeing that ...

          Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

          So a site that only has one type of backlink is considered natural in google eyes?
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          • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
            Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

            Mike got it right this time too..

            It was a time that every single type of links worth something 0.0001 but it worth.

            Now times are changing and the only good links that have real power is contextual links on so many different domains as you can get.

            But you need UNIQUE articles and max 2 links per article ( to not look spammy) .

            there is the curation concept for those which has no time to write their own articles.

            I have noticed that not pr should be the main reason for chosing an website to put an article on . I have seen so many pr 5 sites with very low link rank something about 1-3 and pr 0 sites with 45. You need to see domain age and links profile.

            I recommend tha Ahrefs proffesional tool for seeing that ...
            Open site explorer helps too.

            I hope you are right about some PR0 domains being useful because I have a few which I am going to try. They are aged and have a good non-spammy link profile.

            Will be interesting to see how they compare to some of my PR3s and 4s.
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            • Profile picture of the author bradudan
              Open site explorer is good also but i prefer Ahrefs for 2 reasons seem more accurate at some indicators and also is much cheaper than the other.

              And of course if you find pr 0 old sites with good content and a link portfolio nice you will see that has much power than fakes pr 3-5 sites. But this is not a rule.

              Check them first....



              Originally Posted by StarrManUK View Post

              Open site explorer helps too.

              I hope you are right about some PR0 domains being useful because I have a few which I am going to try. They are aged and have a good non-spammy link profile.

              Will be interesting to see how they compare to some of my PR3s and 4s.
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        • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
          Originally Posted by theBUSINESS View Post

          So a site that only has one type of backlink is considered natural in google eyes?
          One type of backlink? Who said that?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

            One type of backlink? Who said that?

            People take the blog in blog networks too seriously. they think you can only put blog posts to your domain. If you really want to buy into the diversity of kinds of link myth - knock yourself out. Put some forums up on your domains and do profile links there (just send a navigation link to it and give it juice), Do your own press release site. shoot there are some GPL social network scripts and you can go crazy with your own Web 2.0s. Whatever rocks your boat.

            Not recommending the diversity of links thing just showing how it simply doesn't apply. The diversity of link arguments against blog networks assumes theres an unwritten law you can only use wordpress on them.
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            • Profile picture of the author bradudan
              Very good advices Mike. i totally agree with you...

              I have always said to put different cms : wordpress, joomla, drupal, forums, blogger, tumblr......

              Even wiki's that makes do follow links....This is the idea of diversification.

              very useful add . Thanks..

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              People take the blog in blog networks too seriously. they think you can only put blog posts to your domain. If you really want to buy into the diversity of kinds of link myth - knock yourself out. Put some forums up on your domains and do profile links there (just send a navigation link to it and give it juice), Do your own press release site. shoot there are some GPL social network scripts and you can go crazy with your own Web 2.0s. Whatever rocks your boat.

              Not recommending the diversity of links thing just showing how it simply doesn't apply. The diversity of link arguments against blog networks assumes theres an unwritten law you can only use wordpress on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlosponte
    Which tools do you use to find old domains with high PR? How can you get sure they still remain the PR after they expire and you register it again?

    Im looking to build my own network, but find two major dificulties:

    - Find old high PR domains
    - Find +100 different C-class IP in different hostings and control all of them.

    Finally, about costs, having 100 sites would cost $3000/year for example?
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  • Profile picture of the author carlosponte
    Another important thing I forgot. The contacts you provide in the domain registration.

    I have read somewhere that Google would be searching too in this data to identify if all sites belongs to the same person. I know some services allow you to hide this information, but some way the may access this data.

    Furthermore, there are some countries where the law is high strict with this, so you can´t place false names or people. I know I could register some with my wife, father, mother, brother, but...would be crazy! Maybe I would register some with my dog´s name hehehe
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  • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
    ^just use whois privacy.

    100 sites would probably cost nearly that much in hosting alone, then another $1000 in registration costs.

    That is of course assuming you know how to find them without paying extra from auctions etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasono
    It will work until you start spamming them with irrelevant and spammy posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      The idea is to not spam it by any means.. If you have good content you have no problem to put some articles with maximum 2 links on content.

      If you put thousands of articles per month you risk a little . So with pn you need to be a little more carefull.

      Originally Posted by jasono View Post

      It will work until you start spamming them with irrelevant and spammy posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author skywalkerph
    i have also a private blog network from PR3-PR4 and they are all hosted on separate IP addresses. i can say that PBN is still work for seo ranking
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  • Profile picture of the author jingliang3
    Hi,
    To Bradudan, Im very interested in your private blog network. I would like to know about the architecture about it. So you have 1 unique article on every blog. Do you link back to the main site in the article? Do you place links elsewhere in the blog like in the sidebar? How many blogs for each website/niche do u make? Are all the blogs linking back to main site related theme as the site, or can it be a different themes? Do you interlink the blogs themselves at all?
    Sorry for all the questions. I just really want to understand how its done.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      hi

      yes i publish one unique article per each blog. I have only 2 links per money site per article. I have some links on sidebar but i want to get rid of that way of linking, it hasn't the same power like it was.

      I have very few articles posted on my sites i do not spam it.

      I am not sure i got this one "Are all the blogs linking back to main site related theme as the site, or can it be a different themes?"

      I have some interlinking but randomly not everyone to everyone....

      Hope you are satisfied with the answers.



      Originally Posted by jingliang3 View Post

      Hi,
      To Bradudan, Im very interested in your private blog network. I would like to know about the architecture about it. So you have 1 unique article on every blog. Do you link back to the main site in the article? Do you place links elsewhere in the blog like in the sidebar? How many blogs for each website/niche do u make? Are all the blogs linking back to main site related theme as the site, or can it be a different themes? Do you interlink the blogs themselves at all?
      Sorry for all the questions. I just really want to understand how its done.
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      • Profile picture of the author d0de
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        yes i publish one unique article per each blog.
        And that's 40 blogs, right? Is that one unique article per day per blog? How much do you spend on content every month?

        Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

        I am in full agreement, private networks work very well, they provide our "bread and butter" so to speak.

        We operate a network that has reached 300 or so, 100% private. We don't "sell" any links.
        Would you be willing to provide some very general numbers or estimates about how much this or a similar network costs to run?

        I just can't get over how expensive these things sound.

        Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author jingliang3
        Hello Bradudan,
        Thanks for the reply
        I just need a little more clarification.
        So the blog( and the article contained in it) should be the same theme as the money site? (ie fishing blog links to a fishing site)?
        How many blogs do you have linking back to 1 site (ie, do u have 5 fishing blogs linking to fishing site?) . So the other blogs in the network will not be linking to fishing site then because it is different theme? How many themes in total u have in your 40 blog network?

        Another question is how important is buying aged domains for high PR for the blogs? Will this strategy work with new domains too?

        Thanks so much
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        • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
          Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

          i am sorry to say to you ..you are walking on unstable ground .

          spun articles it is very risky these days.. It is a matter of time until you drop on rankings. that is now Curation concept strong. I do not know why you still spunned the articles.

          Grab a curation software and believe me it is another issue. And please try to reevaluate your opinion about gogle's spiders... for your future rankings sake.

          i can no tell you more but they are so f.... smart these days.
          You sound like the typical SEO that has been reading every SEO forum/blog going and suffering from the fear mongering of Google updates and misinformation.

          If Google are so 'smart' why is it they index character spun autogenerated garbage that makes no sense?

          I'm guessing you have personally tried that out though.

          Spun content is fine, when its spun right. Most people just paste an article in, headbutt the keyboard and spam it everywhere they can.

          Smart people load the article, write an alternative paragraph for every paragraph and then 3 alternative sentences for every sentence and then go through every single word/phrase and spin that as well.

          When done by hand you would have no idea it was a spun article.

          But I'm not done with spinning yet! Now I spin in videos, images (with spun html stucutre, some align left, some align right, some with a border, some with alt text and so on), and contextual links to other websites that are nothing to do with mine. Oh yeah, the links move about as well so they aren't always in the same place.

          Are you telling me spun content doesn't work based on your own testing or because your drinking the free flowing bullshit of other people on a daily basis?

          Oh wait your banging on about Curation, its obvious which cup you drink from.

          Google aren't getting smarter, SEO's are getting dumber.
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          • Profile picture of the author bradudan
            Ok Matthew i do not want to argue but i have seen too many bul... this year..

            Remember this talk and we will see about it.

            I simply recommend unique content or if it is not possible Curation concept.

            I have lots of experience in link building and i talk due to my private experience not from what i have read about it. I have all the spinning softwares that was ever made and i do not use them anymore.

            Google's spiders evolve every single month. Even last week was a massive move on the algorithm... haven't you seen it?

            Those were my advices to you all, follow them if you want or not. It is your choice...

            Black hat is nearly dead, but some great hat techniques work even better than before.

            Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

            You sound like the typical SEO that has been reading every SEO forum/blog going and suffering from the fear mongering of Google updates and misinformation.

            If Google are so 'smart' why is it they index character spun autogenerated garbage that makes no sense?

            I'm guessing you have personally tried that out though.

            Spun content is fine, when its spun right. Most people just paste an article in, headbutt the keyboard and spam it everywhere they can.

            Smart people load the article, write an alternative paragraph for every paragraph and then 3 alternative sentences for every sentence and then go through every single word/phrase and spin that as well.

            When done by hand you would have no idea it was a spun article.

            But I'm not done with spinning yet! Now I spin in videos, images (with spun html stucutre, some align left, some align right, some with a border, some with alt text and so on), and contextual links to other websites that are nothing to do with mine. Oh yeah, the links move about as well so they aren't always in the same place.

            Are you telling me spun content doesn't work based on your own testing or because your drinking the free flowing bullshit of other people on a daily basis?

            Oh wait your banging on about Curation, its obvious which cup you drink from.

            Google aren't getting smarter, SEO's are getting dumber.
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            • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
              Originally Posted by bradudan View Post


              Black hat is nearly dead, but some great hat techniques work even better than before.
              Its no more dead today than it was a few years back. The only difference is some people have evolved, others haven't (the ones telling you to ping your backlinks for example)

              Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

              i am back from holiday ... and i have a nasty idea ...

              i want to realease a wso this days posting on my private network that reach now 52 different domains.

              i want to release a special offer for 25 clients with unique articles on my private network .
              What do you think about it? Please express your opinin here if i am doing the right thing or not?

              Cheers
              Lol in one post you claim blackhat SEO is dead and the next post your going to launch a blackhat service?

              Make your mind up
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              • Profile picture of the author bradudan
                Matthew i have said that automated black hat is dead .. not all the grey/black hat techniques are dead....

                I am pretty sure you know what i have said above..

                This one rules and are very limited one ... i have to think how to put it to not get the EYE on it....

                "Lol in one post you claim blackhat SEO is dead and the next post your going to launch a blackhat service?

                Make your mind up "
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

                Its no more dead today than it was a few years back. The only difference is some people have evolved, others haven't (the ones telling you to ping your backlinks for example)
                No The only difference is some people admit things have changed and others are in denial. Its one thing to say some black hat still works but its another to say that it is no more dead than it was a few years back - Thats just utterly ridiculous. You can try and fool the newbs that you have evolved thereby negating the things that have changed but its all blowing smoke not being smarter. Some links are just plain weaker and more riskier. Anyone that denies this doesn't know much SEO in 2012.


                Lol in one post you claim blackhat SEO is dead and the next post your going to launch a blackhat service?

                Make your mind up
                Obviously if you thought about it you would realize that you are dealing with two definitions. Not everyone who uses the term buys into the illusion that Google is the only one that can define it.
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          • Profile picture of the author RoryF
            How much do one of these cost to set up and run?
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
              Originally Posted by RoryF View Post

              How much do one of these cost to set up and run?
              Depending. For me, I managed to run it for as low as $100 per month. Most of the time, it will cost you about $200-$300 per month (if you maintain and setup new blogs in your network every month)
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            • Profile picture of the author bradudan
              it ia a little expensive if is big.

              1. you need hosting ... that depends on how many websites you own .. i have 60

              2. renew domain tax which is about 600 $ per year

              3. some external link building services for increasing power .

              I guess that i pay for year about 2500$

              but it worth cause i have very good earnings...

              Originally Posted by RoryF View Post

              How much do one of these cost to set up and run?
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              • Profile picture of the author RoryF
                They are something to move into once website portfolio is bringing in sustainable revenue I guess, does this idea work with free blogging networks?
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I move clients up in SERPs all the time using my Private Blog Network =)

    Since I built my network in the last year, only two got zapped by Google. I quickly identified the 'footprint' and corrected it. Simple fix and no other casualties since the fix.

    IMO, blog networks better than ever right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author kaizerinfo
    Private networks works and will work forever. Why not?
    It's just you know,that it's network, for google it's just different related sites,as millions others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Running a blog network ain't easy and can be expensive.

    But can be done if you know how... Blog networks still have it's place in SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author estz
    I have my own blog network and it works well, as a few people have stated blog networks still have there place in the SEO industry you just need to know how to use them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

    What do you think about it? Please express your opinin here if i am doing the right thing or not?
    If you need monies, sure. It depends on your needs really. Do you rank your own sites? Are those sites making enough $$ (obviously not)?

    Selling links == $$$, lots of people do it. I buy blog posts like yours and point them to my web 2.0's. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      The ideea is to make more money if you can...

      i think i will launch this very limited wso with at most 25 clients accepted...

      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      If you need monies, sure. It depends on your needs really. Do you rank your own sites? Are those sites making enough $$ (obviously not)?

      Selling links == $$$, lots of people do it. I buy blog posts like yours and point them to my web 2.0's. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I buy blog posts like yours and point them to my web 2.0's. :p
      Hahaha pure gold
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    All blog networks suffer from the same problem. In the end they're just a bunch of unloved websites pointing anchor text links at 'money sites.'

    The blog network sites aren't used by visitors. They aren't resources. Just link dumps. After the initial movement up they might help the 'money site' get, the results are bound to degrade over time. Not only that, but anyone who has to produce content endlessly is bound to end up spinning, resulting in lower quality pages that leave a definite footprint.

    That said, I'm sure a few of these networks are working for now. If they are, then use them until the tides change again.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      I perfectly agree with you , but my pn has his very interested visitors.

      This was not meant to be a Pn but i have lost rankings with plenty of my websites so i have decided to buy some new and make a pn. These projects are very different one from the other , built on some different structures, etc.... And every site has his unique visitors which came from google, facebook, etc....

      The articles i write for myself is very informative and 100% unique . I have my own strategy to get those subjects...

      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      All blog networks suffer from the same problem. In the end they're just a bunch of unloved websites pointing anchor text links at 'money sites.'

      The blog network sites aren't used by visitors. They aren't resources. Just link dumps. After the initial movement up they might help the 'money site' get, the results are bound to degrade over time. Not only that, but anyone who has to produce content endlessly is bound to end up spinning, resulting in lower quality pages that leave a definite footprint.

      That said, I'm sure a few of these networks are working for now. If they are, then use them until the tides change again.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkbuildingpro
    It does not only still work but also work very well now
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by linkbuildingpro View Post

      It does not only still work but also work very well now
      Definitely it will be a useful tool for SEO rankings. And the best thing is that I recently received an advertiser who wants to pay me to promote their products for one of my blogs in my network.

      $120 for a permanent link. Not a bad deal, really. I could reinvest that into more blogs...
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        i have plenty of clients like this ... very specialized links.

        yes you got that right .. it is a very good ideea for making good money...

        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        Definitely it will be a useful tool for SEO rankings. And the best thing is that I recently received an advertiser who wants to pay me to promote their products for one of my blogs in my network.

        $120 for a permanent link. Not a bad deal, really. I could reinvest that into more blogs...
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        Definitely it will be a useful tool for SEO rankings. And the best thing is that I recently received an advertiser who wants to pay me to promote their products for one of my blogs in my network.

        $120 for a permanent link. Not a bad deal, really. I could reinvest that into more blogs...
        Permanent link sales can be problematic Joseph as you could be obliged to maintain the PR and indexed status forever.

        Be aware of that when making such deals.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lurchy
    I have a group of lead gen sites that all pertain to the same niche but in different cities. Would it be wise to link between some on articles that are not on the root?
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  • Profile picture of the author ArcherWylde
    Definitely have to agree here. I have used a few private blog networks to rank some of our clients...compared to manually building links on blog comments and Web 2.0 properties...there's actually no comparison.

    Way better!

    You could always let us try out yours to make sure it's working...just kidding!
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      i have been deindexed with 4 sites ....i was a little greedy....

      But what the hack i have 60 more ..

      right now i have found a way to buy parked domains with high pagerank 4-7 which has natural high pr edu links on them..

      I have already bought 3 x pr 4 to start a new very strong private network...

      Invincible one i might say

      Originally Posted by ArcherWylde View Post

      Definitely have to agree here. I have used a few private blog networks to rank some of our clients...compared to manually building links on blog comments and Web 2.0 properties...there's actually no comparison.

      Way better!

      You could always let us try out yours to make sure it's working...just kidding!
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  • Profile picture of the author classic99
    Yes-private networks still works , but you need to have you own private networks
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Who ever made you guys believe that linking out to some authority site is helping or worse necessary, that's really the biggest nonsense that I see people repeating over and over again.

    I have clients ranking for very tough keywords and they never link out to any other site, it's just giving juice away.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      @Niko i haven't believed it myself....please try it out especially in articles that you build links for seo you will see better indexing and better rankings for that article.

      And Google will believe that your other links are natural cause nobody from Wikipedia payed you to link to them...

      Try it....

      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Who ever made you guys believe that linking out to some authority site is helping or worse necessary, that's really the biggest nonsense that I see people repeating over and over again.

      I have clients ranking for very tough keywords and they never link out to any other site, it's just giving juice away.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        @Niko i haven't believed it myself....please try it out especially in articles that you build links for seo you will see better indexing and better rankings for that article.

        And Google will believe that your other links are natural cause nobody from Wikipedia payed you to link to them...

        Try it....
        Of course outbound links help. Haven't you ever seen a HIGH PR directory page? Nothing but a list of links to sites but High PR from the Directory home page link. Restricting the flow of PageRank is a pretty unnatural situation causing a blockage for GoogleBot. GBot loves to crawl.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        @Niko i haven't believed it myself....please try it out especially in articles that you build links for seo you will see better indexing and better rankings for that article.

        And Google will believe that your other links are natural cause nobody from Wikipedia payed you to link to them...

        Try it....
        It's true that a link is stronger when it's on a page that ranks for the same keyword.

        So if that outbound link helps to rank it better then it might be worth to try, however I don't believe in it but well trying can't hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerrywhyte
    If carefully done well in the right manner, of course its still works
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  • Profile picture of the author TyreeSEO
    I don't think it'll work. If it's private how can Google find the site and award you with the backlink you earned? Seems fishy.
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    • Profile picture of the author satrap
      Originally Posted by TyreeSEO View Post

      I don't think it'll work. If it's private how can Google find the site and award you with the backlink you earned? Seems fishy.
      Private in this case doesn't mean its not visible to people and search engines. its private in a sense that only members can post content to the blogs in the network.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        thanks for explanation...

        It is not spammed ... and has no Pn name so Google to can track it...


        Originally Posted by satrap View Post

        Private in this case doesn't mean its not visible to people and search engines. its private in a sense that only members can post content to the blogs in the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sugar Cube
    Yes-private networks still works-but don't abuse them.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    Actually you have followed some basic rules that's why you are still alive. Most of the networks are really close in shape size look and domain name.
    I don't have the budget in this month. I will contact you next month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
    What are private networks for.....what is your purpose for them?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      What are private networks for.....what is your purpose for them?
      Private networks consist of domains with a high page rank. You buy those at auctions and can use them as a back link source cause links on pages with PR are more effective to rank your other sites.

      That's kind of the main thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      It is a pleasure to have such a beautiful girl interested in pn!!

      Isn't it?

      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      What are private networks for.....what is your purpose for them?
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      • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        It is a pleasure to have such a beautiful girl interested in pn!!

        Isn't it?
        So question. I see that you are selling links on your network.

        My question is for your price of $150 do you write the 30 articles or me?

        And if you write can you write about the automotive industry?

        And what sort of serp improvement do you believe will happen? I am already ranked on page #4 for my term. Need page 1.
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        • Profile picture of the author bradudan
          Mate please read carefully the offer .. I have no time to make the articles for you..

          You should find a good writer on Flippa , check his work with Copyscape for unique article.

          I do not accept spun articles, only 100 % unique content...

          Yes if you ask me , if you will got very well written articles, large ones you will see the improvmenent in Serps.

          How many do you need for page 1 ... this is an impossible answer to give...

          Cheers

          Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

          So question. I see that you are selling links on your network.

          My question is for your price of $150 do you write the 30 articles or me?

          And if you write can you write about the automotive industry?

          And what sort of serp improvement do you believe will happen? I am already ranked on page #4 for my term. Need page 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author gifz
    very nice info here!

    thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Periwinkle
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    I hope you are right about some PR0 domains being useful because I have a few which I am going to try.
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    • Profile picture of the author FBN
      Some great information, thanks.

      Are private networks sold that have already been built out? And if so what would you pay for one?

      How long would it take to build a private network?


      Thank you in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        nobody make a serious private network to be sold... get real man

        it is like a cow that gives you infinite money... who will ever sell something like that?

        beside nobody will trust you to buy a pn... cause it is so many factors involved...


        Originally Posted by FBN View Post

        Some great information, thanks.

        Are private networks sold that have already been built out? And if so what would you pay for one?

        How long would it take to build a private network?


        Thank you in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by FBN View Post

        Some great information, thanks.

        Are private networks sold that have already been built out? And if so what would you pay for one?

        How long would it take to build a private network?


        Thank you in advance.

        Get these questions a lot and the answer on the first is pretty much no. IF someone goes to the expense and time of building out a network they usually have a purpose for it in mind. For how long does it take to build out a network - depends on size of the network you want and how much cash you have. If you are not in a mad rush it usually takes months.
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        • Profile picture of the author bradudan
          I perfectly agree with you Mike with this one...

          Mine it took 3 years to build and make it strong ..

          I had receive a very good offer to sell it for a fellow warrior but if you got cows that gives milk every single day ... you have no reason to sell...

          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Get these questions a lot and the answer on the first is pretty much no. IF someone goes to the expense and time of building out a network they usually have a purpose for it in mind. For how long does it take to build out a network - depends on size of the network you want and how much cash you have. If you are not in a mad rush it usually takes months.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    i have bought other 45 different ols domains .. got lots of new hosting .. and start buiding different sites with 100% unique content...

    So i got lots of work to do...

    Wish me luck!!

    BTW do you know a free wordpress themes good resources cause i need up to 50 different blog templates..?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
      Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

      i have bought other 45 different ols domains .. got lots of new hosting .. and start buiding different sites with 100% unique content...

      So i got lots of work to do...

      Wish me luck!!

      BTW do you know a free wordpress themes good resources cause i need up to 50 different blog templates..?
      hey man, good for you. Great decision.

      you dont need 50 individual themes. Good luck!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    i want to make those sites each and every different ...

    i will win for different resources... only 100% unique content .. publishing some posts and Google Ads also.

    They work inside the pn but also can live as single one...

    it is a very profitable business...
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

      i want to make those sites each and every different ...

      i will win for different resources... only 100% unique content .. publishing some posts and Google Ads also.

      They work inside the pn but also can live as single one...

      it is a very profitable business...
      DO NOT PUT GOOGLE ADS, ie. Adsense. You are telling Google that these blogs belong to you!
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        you are right man ... but you see

        i have my own pn very different from all the pn that i have seen so Google let me live in pace . I do not abuse it ... i am very carefull about it

        I have only few clients very satisfied and right now i will open the doors for 5 new clients cause i have 40 sites plus...

        I will distributed the articles very carefull....it is a lot to talk about

        Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

        DO NOT PUT GOOGLE ADS, ie. Adsense. You are telling Google that these blogs belong to you!
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        • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
          Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

          you are right man ... but you see

          i have my own pn very different from all the pn that i have seen so Google let me live in pace . I do not abuse it ... i am very carefull about it

          I have only few clients very satisfied and right now i will open the doors for 5 new clients cause i have 40 sites plus...

          I will distributed the articles very carefull....it is a lot to talk about
          Just take Joseph's advice, don't put Google Ads... :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Khushnoodpk
    wow its a good idia to make personal network, make your site with low compitative keyword, and it is easy to rank it well, wow
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Woolard
    I just bought my first web site for my private network. It's a PR4 with a very similar domain name as my money site.

    Two questions:

    #1) Why does OP think 2 links to $site is better than 1....Doesn't google just divide the link juice in half for each link in this case, making it cancel out?

    #2) I just bought 6000 words of unique content (7 articles) for the network site. The site had no content upon purchase. Should I throw all 7 articles on the PR4 site to make it seem more credible? or is it just a waste to put all 7 articles in which case I could use a few of them to put on $site?
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    hi

    1. i never said that 2 links is better than one ) I say that you should put at MOST 2 links on an seo article..

    2. you can put unique content on your website. That will surely not harm you ... But please treat those pn sites like an important site.. Make it look different and nice .. It is so important..

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  • Profile picture of the author Warock
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    Can you teach me how you build private network??
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      it is a kind of very hard working way ...

      and it is very expensive too if you want to do it right ...

      i have a training program with 50 $ per hour, but you have to think if you can afford to do it the right way...

      Otherwise you just throw your money away...

      I have seen so many bad pn .... as a matter of fact i have seen only bad pn .

      that is why i have started mine ... it is different from all the pn in the world...

      You will not find any similarities between random 2 sites for my 130 pn.

      But is is hard working i might say...I want to bring that to 200 until the finish of 2013.

      If you are determined and need my private coaching pm me or skype me....

      Originally Posted by Warock View Post

      Can you teach me how you build private network??
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    • Profile picture of the author WilsonA
      Originally Posted by Warock View Post

      Can you teach me how you build private network??
      I used google and a couple of books by warriors to learn how to do it, its very easy to do once you get the hang of it but it costs a lot of money and can be very time consuming depending on the size of network you are trying to build.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Woolard
    Shouldn't you always try to monetize all the sites in your network? Either by just collecting a list or perhaps adsense.. That way you get some extra return for your investment. (without having to dilute your link juice)
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
      Originally Posted by denutza View Post

      Shouldn't you always try to monetize all the sites in your network?
      Because it wasn't a private network to start with.

      My signature includes a WSO that helps you to start a private network at a very low cost. A good base for you to grow your network.
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    • Profile picture of the author WilsonA
      Originally Posted by denutza View Post

      Shouldn't you always try to monetize all the sites in your network? Either by just collecting a list or perhaps adsense.. That way you get some extra return for your investment. (without having to dilute your link juice)
      Adsense is too big of a footprint
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      • Profile picture of the author bradudan
        I do not worry about....

        I do not look and act as a pn , but i am one...

        so i follow exactly the google guidelines... but sometimes let's say at 10 topics one is commercial..

        Life is simple man .... Even Google is understandable if you are not making abuse and creating good content...

        But every single pn that i have seen has : same platform ( Wordpress), almost same design ( 2-3 themes), very bad design, only seo articles on it, every single post is a bullshit posted automated....

        So ? I have the opinion that is not a real Pn .... A real Pn is more, more than that...

        Originally Posted by WilsonA View Post

        Adsense is too big of a footprint
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    by the way you've used your private network, I'd say you were not doing anything that would raise an eyebrow for Google. I mean, the sites are very different from each other, so as the contents, I suppose. Plus, you were posting unique contents. That should work well. We're the same with linking as I don't put more than 2 links.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      You got that absolutely right...

      i do not abuse ... Google hates abuse...

      I have built them on various ip's, languages, tld, subjects, platforms, etc...

      Only good unique content and not making ABUSE...

      Originally Posted by XenG View Post

      by the way you've used your private network, I'd say you were not doing anything that would raise an eyebrow for Google. I mean, the sites are very different from each other, so as the contents, I suppose. Plus, you were posting unique contents. That should work well. We're the same with linking as I don't put more than 2 links.
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