Penguin solutions still not conclusive

by Lukas
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People say to:

1. Get rid of the obvious anchor text manipulation if its 40 or 50% of IBL.
2. Change your META tags
3. Keep your kw density below 1.5%

Weird? Since I have seen a real spammy looking site overtake mine and other webmaster's top spots.

I found one site which was not there pre-Penguin that has 5.5% KW density, has stuffed keywords.
I just checked the IBL anchor text and it is about 90% for the keyword.

No, they are not a big brand, small timer at best.

Their method from spyglass, 1 authority blog (domain) with 100s of blog 250 word posts and the same anchor text & along with an active non-spammy twitter acct.
I guess this goes along the lines of Blog Posts on good domains. Their future problem is relying on one site (a leader) for ranking.
#conclusive #confusion #penguin #solutions
  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

    If I want to rank for "florida orange juice," then I'm going to use the term "florida orange juice" every single chance I get when I'm backlinking my site. If I use the term "california orange juice," "fuzzy blue bunnies," or "my mom said so" when I link back to my "florida orange juice" site, then how is Google supposed to know what I'm talking about?

    I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

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    • Profile picture of the author mwds120
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

      If I want to rank for "florida orange juice," then I'm going to use the term "florida orange juice" every single chance I get when I'm backlinking my site. If I use the term "california orange juice," "fuzzy blue bunnies," or "my mom said so" when I link back to my "florida orange juice" site, then how is Google supposed to know what I'm talking about?

      I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

      -- j
      Another possibility is to simply link to your site using no anchor text, such as a straight URL link. And of course you still want to have your key phrases in your links, not irrelevant anchor text as you suggested above. The idea is to create a natural link profile.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

      If I want to rank for "florida orange juice," then I'm going to use the term "florida orange juice" every single chance I get when I'm backlinking my site. If I use the term "california orange juice," "fuzzy blue bunnies," or "my mom said so" when I link back to my "florida orange juice" site, then how is Google supposed to know what I'm talking about?

      I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

      -- j
      If it's a myth, what do you make of Microsite Masters Penguin analysis which stated;
      every single site we looked at which got negatively hit by the Penguin Update had a “money keyword” as its anchor text for over 60% of its incoming links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

      I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

      -- j
      You've been lucky.. but remember penguin wasn't a one-off and will be back around. If it catches you, you'll be better buying a new domain.

      Using the same anchor text every time isn't natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

      If I want to rank for "florida orange juice," then I'm going to use the term "florida orange juice" every single chance I get when I'm backlinking my site. If I use the term "california orange juice," "fuzzy blue bunnies," or "my mom said so" when I link back to my "florida orange juice" site, then how is Google supposed to know what I'm talking about?

      I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

      -- j
      Personally I was interested about some of my previous SEOed sites after Panda and Penguin updates. I checked ranks of the websites and I found all of them are still flying high. Even though I used almost 100% same anchor texts for those websites! Now Im pretty sure Penguin is not against anchor texts solely. One of the biggest myths floating across SEO industry(mainly flooded in forums).

      I dont believe 100% duplicate anchor texts are the problem but its all about platforms. Backlinks from spammed platforms may be the problem. But lets say your website is enjoying 20 backlinks from incidental, high PR pages. All of the websites are privately owned and no way to be spammed. Certainly you wouldn't get any Penguin poke on your belly.

      I have noticed onpage optimization became more important after Penguin riot. I personally tested it. My opinion is Penguin or all kind of updates(or filters?) are actually not on just an specific issue. There are several parameters google considering when releasing filters.

      Well still I would recommend anyone to vary anchor texts as it looks natural. Nowadays I use at least 60% backlinks without anchor texts to stay on safe place. Thats just a preventive strategy. Not really for kicking ass of Penguins.
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    • Profile picture of the author OliviaSSLGuru
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out started the myth of anchor text variation.

      If I want to rank for "florida orange juice," then I'm going to use the term "florida orange juice" every single chance I get when I'm backlinking my site. If I use the term "california orange juice," "fuzzy blue bunnies," or "my mom said so" when I link back to my "florida orange juice" site, then how is Google supposed to know what I'm talking about?

      I use the same anchor text 100% of the time with no variation, and I've yet to have a penalty from it.

      -- j
      Jry,

      Check your web master tool might any kind of bot linked back you and then you web site suddenly gained the natural links. Check it now and update it might it will there. Also update your content and start with natural link building. Surely you will have ranking soon! Wish you good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Guys one of the benefits of Google's constant updates is that by the time you figure out what one update was all about you only have a few weeks before it changes. We can't spend all our time looking for solutions to each update. What we have to do is concentrate on the things that Google HASN'T changed.

        Plenty of decent quality content that is at least capable of getting a truly natural link

        getting in context high quality links

        Having content that has relevant words and phrases of LSI

        Their emphasis on getting rid of spammy low quality link signals

        Its what Google DOESN'T change that both tells us what they are relying the most on and what they are unlikely to change any time soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author shayman
    Jeeeeeeeeeeezzz pleeeeeease I can't take any more theories!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author GSX
    Did you check the domain age, this is a huge factor. I've noticed on some of my micro sites that dropped I purchased an age domain, put all the content on the aged site, 301'd the old site and BAM! Everything jumped back up...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    That's good to hear. These myths just get so much buzz that it becomes believable. It still comes down to authority links to your site and original useful content, videos, and media on your site (+ your neighborhood)....+ ???

    Not trying to change the topic but I just read a George Carlin joke. He says , "Tell People about an imaginary man in the sky who created the universe and they believe it. Tell them the paint is wet and they have to touch it to see if it is true."

    NOTE: The competitor has low PR1 rank, age is not a factor; them 2007 vs mine which is 2001.
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  • Profile picture of the author GSX
    I don't see why people don't just play Google's game. Make fewer sites with better content and more natural link building and you can rank well. Some people spend so much effort trying to get AROUND penguin instead of just doing what Google wants. They'll constantly tweak the algorithm so while some spammy looking site may be there now, it won't be forever... Comply and Conquer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by jeffreydominic View Post

      In penguin update, it spams if the site kw density is 4% to 7%. Its better to have 1.3% to 1.5% as kw density. And its much far better to read google guidelines before optimizing the site.

      Google Guideline? Google is such a lazy dog to republish its guide than updating its Algo. The old guide and guidelines even look spammy to Google nowadays. I would not surprise by seeing Google itself against some of its guidelines mentioned in its old ebooks/guidelines.
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