Linkbuilding Tool: Magic Submitter, Ultimate Demon, GSA ?

by edo17
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Hi,

which of the three tools can you recommend?

MS -> sounds very good
UD -> read a lot about it
GSA -> very low price

Pro/Cons?


Thanks, edo
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    I have 2 tools that I recommend: left hand, right hand.

    Unless your site is old (2+ years) and established, using automated linked and blasting links everywhere isn't going to do you any favors. Even though, it will still probably do more harm than good.

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    • Profile picture of the author 26medias
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I have 2 tools that I recommend: left hand, right hand.
      That's what she says :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Pressa
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I have 2 tools that I recommend: left hand, right hand.

      Unless your site is old (2+ years) and established, using automated linked and blasting links everywhere isn't going to do you any favors. Even though, it will still probably do more harm than good.

      -- j
      Well written
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    • Profile picture of the author TurtleDive
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I have 2 tools that I recommend: left hand, right hand.

      Unless your site is old (2+ years) and established, using automated linked and blasting links everywhere isn't going to do you any favors. Even though, it will still probably do more harm than good.

      -- j
      Perfectly put.

      Manually doing things gets the best results as nobody can screw up anything, and on top of this, if you do it yourself there is no way you can OVERDO it. You won't MANUALLY create 50,000 backlinks in 1 hour so google won't have a reason to penalize you.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaytav
      Originally Posted by TheArticlePros View Post

      I have 2 tools that I recommend: left hand, right hand.

      Unless your site is old (2+ years) and established, using automated linked and blasting links everywhere isn't going to do you any favors. Even though, it will still probably do more harm than good.

      -- j
      Great suggestion. Manual work is the best now-a-days with lots of Google updates waiting to screw your site. Manually done seo will benefit more than automated stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Goldberg
    The smartest way to test link building tools is to use fiverr to have someone else use them for you. Only get 1 gig at a time and watch to see whether it boosts your position for the keyword term you targeted.
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    • Profile picture of the author edo17
      Yes i know, but i asked for these three Programs.


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    • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
      Originally Posted by Ross Goldberg View Post

      The smartest way to test link building tools is to use fiverr to have someone else use them for you. Only get 1 gig at a time and watch to see whether it boosts your position for the keyword term you targeted.
      Far be it for me to beg to differ with someone as senior as Ross, but I am surprised with that advice, as I would say people should never hire people from Fiverr even to test. After all even if one of these tools does temporarily improve the rankings for a particular keyword, it is just that temporary.

      Google, wants to see natural links that are consistent and not a one off, otherwise the rankings will slip after a time. My advice like Jay was saying is to stear well clear of these kind of spamming tools to artificially manipulate the algorithm.

      Joel
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by Ross Goldberg View Post

      The smartest way to test link building tools is to use fiverr to have someone else use them for you. Only get 1 gig at a time and watch to see whether it boosts your position for the keyword term you targeted.
      Honestly to run the tools for clients the right way is not really feasible for most fiverr sellers. You need proxies, on top of the cost of tools, and any good tool user uses a vps.

      Then you need time to build them right (hence what the vps is for)


      So I will have to disagree with you. The income fiverr sellers makes does not allow them to do real quality work

      The intellegence of the seller is whole other story too =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Goldberg
    I appreciate your statement and thoughts Joel, but 99% of those "spammy" tools still work. I've tested blog networks, SENuke blasts, and a bunch of others and still seen positive results from all of them.

    The secret is to build links with anchor text that makes sense instead of keyword filling every link you build. domain.com, click here, etc... I even use random anchors like names (mike johnson, alex jones, etc...).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Ross Goldberg View Post

      I appreciate your statement and thoughts Joel, but 99% of those "spammy" tools still work. I've tested blog networks, SENuke blasts, and a bunch of others and still seen positive results from all of them.
      Sorry Ross. total, absolute and utter nonsense. Ever heard of unnatural link penalties? Varying your anchor text will NOT protect you from those.Unfortunately too many people are living in denial or suggesting things that may work in weak serps in the short term and be sent to siberia in no time.

      Time to step up the SEO game not live in the past.

      Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

      Far be it for me to beg to differ with someone as senior as Ross, but I am surprised with that advice, as I would say people should never hire people from Fiverr even to test.)
      I am a little bit more senior than you and all in all I would put that advice right up in the top 3 in the worse suggestions of all time list. Extremely bad on so many levels

      Plus a Fiverr gig would tell you next to nothing definitive since GSA and MS can be used entirely different than how a fiverr gig would use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Outsourcingnerd
    Google is constantly telling us that we have to focus on quality and user experience, good links and similar stuff.

    It is easy to be frustrated when links get deindexed and when we lose rankings - it happens for all of us. We win some, and we lose some.

    Google got big because they came up with a brilliant idea - basically to let the users "vote" for other websites using links. Before that it was just about meta descriptions and keyword stuffing.

    Then a lot of people started to game the system, first it worked just with tons of crap links, but Google gets smarter and measure by quality instead of quantity.

    So just a little mind experiment... try to think "what would my mother do."

    First of all, many mothers don´t have a blog - in fact. A lot of mothers not even know how to make a link.

    If they know how to make a link - would they link with a keyword? Hardly, they would probably if they linked to Elvis.com write, "my hero" or "he broke my heart" - just a crazy example I know ;-)

    However, think about today... our mothers still don´t know how to write a link, but they certainly know how to push a like button!

    That is why I think that Google pays more attention to social signals.

    Another example is Yahoo answers - often you see that an answer is rated high in Google.

    People ask a question; other people answer, and others vote... quite a strong signal right?

    The same thing goes on for Pinterest - some experience huge traffic from that site.

    So is traditional link building dead? Certainly not, and that is, in my opinion, links from high authority sites still carry a lot of link juice.

    Just a few thoughts, naturally I can be wrong... ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I love Magic Submitter. It's a tool I've been using for awhile. Just like any tool, if you abuse it, you can damage websites with it.

    I don't use it for my money sites, I use it to build links pointing to my money site =)
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  • Profile picture of the author 571
    Ultimate Demon has a time that auto submit things over several weeks. Should do the job to build tiers.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMdude123
    I think Ultimate demon is more advanced and customizable but just remember, you have to lear the basics of SEO before buying software and getting trigger happy.

    its like giving a young boy a toy gun, he has fun learning how to use it and there aren't many consequences if things go wrong.

    but if you give him a rocket blaster first he could fire it and get into a lot of truble and go to jail, he might not have ment it to go that way but because he didn't learn (because he never had a toy gun) it all went wrong.

    think of manual seo as the toy gun and automated seo (like ultimate demon) as the rocket launcher, there's nothing wrong with using it if you do so safely and correctly but you could end up being penalized by google if you get trigger happy and don't fully understand the basics of SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Wolfe
    GSA has good street cred
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Jason Wolfe View Post

      GSA has good street cred
      Tried it, liked it , bought it.

      and no not a lover of blasting tools but GSA is one of the few programs out there that can be used in a VERY whitehat way. MS is beginning to add some scrape/data mining features but at the rate at which GSA is updating and adding new features they may well be neck and neck soon,.

      For those who add their own sites honorable mention must go to the new version of Zennoposter as well (which comes with no existing link resources). Powerful program only bejng held back by a spectacular lack of documentation by its makers ( basically the best training on it comes from other customers )
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    as someone said above, it is not really good to use automated softwares to use back links to your site when the site is new. For a new site manual link building works the best..
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  • Profile picture of the author 571
    I think GSA is better at doing Tier 2 & Tier 3 stuff. They have list of rubbish sites for you to blast while UD you need to scrape and import etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohntheGreat
    Originally Posted by edo17 View Post

    Hi,

    which of the three tools can you recommend?

    MS -> sounds very good
    UD -> read a lot about it
    GSA -> very low price

    Pro/Cons?


    Thanks, edo
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    I have no experience with UD and GSA so I can't compare the three SEO tools. But I've got 7 months experience with MS and all I can say is that it's a great tool when you figure out to run it effectively.

    MS pros:

    1. You can build campaigns very easily using drag and drop function.
    2. You can drip feed links over a period of time
    3. Several feature that enables you to hide foot prints.

    Cons:

    1. It takes time to learn the tool
    2. Like any other tool it can destroy your site if you don't know how to use it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Goldberg
    Mike Anthony - You have your processes and I have mine. Rankings speak for themselves and my clients have them...

    To state that my way is "wrong" is unfair and pretty rude. If I'm using it and getting results for clients, that's what's important.

    There is no "one way" with SEO. It's an art as much as a science. I get results by outsourcing a majority of link building tasks via sites like Fiverr. Plain and simple.

    If you don't know what you're doing, you can absolutely hurt a site by ordering the wrong stuff. Be cautious with it, but it works for me just fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Ross Goldberg View Post

      Mike Anthony - You have your processes and I have mine. Rankings speak for themselves and my clients have them...

      To state that my way is "wrong" is unfair and pretty rude.

      Your way is wrong. Nothing rude about it. Dead wrong. Over a million people have received unnatural link notices so claiming that every way anyone has of backlinking is all good is just playing Ostrich. Unfair is people blowing smoke to newbies who will then get similar notices and wreck their domain's ranking ability for months and perhaps years to come. Definitely unfair.


      If I'm using it and getting results for clients, that's what's important.
      None of us here have anyway of knowing that. its just talk until you are willing to put proof on the table. We don't know the serp you are in, the competitiveness of the sites you allegedly rank or anything and Yes on a forum THAT is what is important because anyone can write anything

      There is no "one way" with SEO
      Nope but there are a whole pile of wrong ways

      It's an art as much as a science. I get results by outsourcing a majority of link building tasks via sites like Fiverr. Plain and simple.
      Fiverr is a load of garbage. Anyone who thinks they are going to consistently get quality there for $4 (paid to the supplier) isn't living in the real world. I won't say you can never luck out and get something good every once in a while by some desperate person but its hit and miss and a lousy way to do SEO worse for other people who have paid you to do SEO. There is still no "plain and simple" because you have not presented a shred of evidence. I will present mine.

      Look at ANY competitive serp and you will not see ANY # 1 positions being held solely by the links that most automated software spits out. Most people making claims for ranking with those tools are going after some weak stuff. Things they could have ranked for with a few quality links and not have to worry as much about getting unnatural link notices.

      What does it say about link blasting when the number one term for selling backlinks

      "Backlinks"

      Has no top results depending on low quality spam links like what SenukeX for $147 a month puts out

      https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...w=1600&bih=775

      It says software like that is fallen and can't get up.

      Blasting links with software indiscriminately is the way of the past. Any software now that does not allow you to add your own links or seek out good ones that everyone is not spamming should be avoided entirely . I don't post for you or to stop you from doing what you want. I post for people that will see your unsubstantiated claims. think hey he said it works and then end up tanking their sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
    Ultimate Demon for me..
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Goldberg
    You must be right because Google is so transparent with everything they do...

    It doesn't hurt me if people ignore my thoughts, I don't have a link in my signature selling private blog networks (which Google has shown they despise...).

    Your way isn't wrong, but neither is mine. Feel free to ignore my advice if you don't know what you're doing. Mike is right, you could hurt yourself.

    I do know what I'm doing and I'll depart now to continue doing it.

    Best of luck to you all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Ross Goldberg View Post


      It doesn't hurt me if people ignore my thoughts, I don't have a link in my signature selling private blog networks
      Yeah but they just love seeing spun content sites which you are pushing. Seriously? trying to make a point of sig links with you pushing three of your own? :rolleyes:

      (which Google has shown they despise...)
      Really? I have about a 150 guys and a few ladies that have and are building private networks and none nada have seen their networks deindexed.

      Problem with your analysis is that you think rental networks like BMR were private. Those were very public for anyone who looks at the words "private" and "public".
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        ultimate demon
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
    Can i share my views here? If yes then I like MS and GSA, both tools does the great job. Here's good strategy.

    Create web2.0 sites manually with nice template design and unique content, it looks more natural to Big G.

    Build backlinks to those web2.0 sites by using MS. then export working links
    from "link manager" and load them in GSA and run the campaigns on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author websolution08
      Like "theprogrammer" said try to build your 2.0 properties manually and,according to my experience, post more than 1 articles or you won't get any benefits...
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  • Profile picture of the author boosters
    Well all these tools makes you happy only for the short time but by your god giving hands will make you happy for the longer time even for the lifetime too..
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Beaton
    I think people confuse what exactly manual and automatic linking practices are at their core. You can leverage software to do EXACTLY what you are doing manually if you know how to use it correctly. The templates provided with most software are junk and pretty spammy. But if you know what you are doing, you are an idiot if you are still doing everything manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimenywo
    I've purchased MS and have been it for the past month. I also recently downloaded GSA and am reasonably familiar with it. This isnt so much a review of the two softwares, but rather how I intend to use them. In a word...slowly. I am using MS rght now with 2 sites and I am preceeding very slowly hitting a only small sample of article sites and bookmarking sights with very high quality and very well spun content. Once I get a bit more comfortable with GSA I'll do the same. I do like the myriad of settings this software but training/support minimimal. Still I like it.

    I think the natural tendency with these types of programs is to blast it out of the park with the first campaign. No question the gradual growth approach is prudent...not just for testing, but for looking natural. Even at my slow snails pace, it beats manual.
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  • Profile picture of the author eezymoney
    I've had an MS license for round a week and not submitted anything yet.

    As jimenywo says, I'm sure it's got to be better than manual. But slowly does it at first... I'm even thinking of using it to submit only original content.

    The thing that attracts me to this type of linkbuilding is that you can keep your tier 1's clean. But, what scares me to hell is that google starts tracking back up the road and looks at the links pointing to these 'clean' sites and just sees a load of junk. Yes, it would be difficult for google to manually review this linking structure, but algorithmically it's probably quite easy for them. Penguin 2?

    The other argument is that you could say that no website has a natural backlink profile, what is natural?
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Oh and SeNuke XCR owns and melts face. Like its amazing....If its in the hands of someone smart
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  • Profile picture of the author dumaharyanto
    i think MS is the best seo software in the world

    +1 for magic submitter
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoMarketLeaders
    Im surprised none of you mentioned Sick Submitter. Pick up the oxwall, buddypress, phpfox, jcow, Ellg, web 2.0 ultimate and other contexutal templates and you will have a blog creation powerhouse that none of these other tools can touch and also you can get high PR sites that hardly anyone else is getting as sick submitter isnt that widly used yet very powerful when you spend the time and money to use it.

    I use heavily tiered custom senuke templates for the high pr sites and I pretty much have a tool for every type of link. Again the key is custom templates that the rest of the IM community is not using. GSA is also awesome for getting link diversity since it posts to many different formats. You can create a entire campain in a few minutes with Kontent Machine export feature.

    Just use lots of proxies and change them up every month google can't tell who is making your links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dead Body
    in any seo software only bookmarking gives us good results fastly all other sites deindexed by google shortly after release
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  • Bookmarking demon is an excellent tool if used properly and simple to use. It is quite pricey but if you want a workable tool to boost your website traffic, then you can't go far wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author extremeboy
    All tools are best to be honest if you have decent budget get them all at least any two will work for you perfectly.

    In top of that you must need two more things Decent speed of internet+ Captcha service need to pay if you do a good amount of link building.

    Plus you will need Private proxies that works against Google and specially those can bare the link building tools load you can try it if you will ever wanted:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...riorforum.html
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