Is SEO Dead after Penguin update?

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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Absolutely not dead just different then it was before. Its an industry where you need to evolve. Some people don't like that so they'd rather believe that its SEO thats dead rather than the truth which is that its their techniques and knowledge that are dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenjones86
      Almost dead! What's is left in SEO.... onpage is one time activity... most of the offpage activities are of no use now, only guest posting is beneficial rite now after penguin update...... Don't u think SMO has outrun SEO?

      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      Absolutely not dead just different then it was before. Its an industry where you need to evolve. Some people don't like that so they'd rather believe that its SEO thats dead rather than the truth which is that its their techniques and knowledge that are dead.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

        Almost dead! What's is left in SEO.... onpage is one time activity... most of the offpage activities are of no use now, only guest posting is beneficial rite now after penguin update...... Don't u think SMO has outrun SEO?
        Most of the off page activities are of no use now!!!! :confused:

        Ranking is still 95% about offpage. I am not sure what has convinced you of this but your statement is very misguided. Yes spammy bulk links have gotten hit pretty bad but that doesn't mean things are over.

        SMO has not come close to taking over SEO. A good social media campaign still won't hold a candle to getting some nice high PR links from aged and trusted domains. Not to mention the power web 2.0's still hold. If anything the biggest thing thats changed since Penguin is focusing more on "branding" your page rather than the normal keyword/anchor text methods.

        If offpage is dead then somebody better tell my 60+ websites that are still ranking first page after Penguin. For example my college degrees niche site doesn't rank well because I am an expert on college degrees or because I put out a viral video. Its because I have solid links. Just because "You" personally are having trouble post Penguin, and feel that your SEO endeavors have come up fruitless doesn't mean that SEO is dead. Far from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Obviously SEO isn't dead, well, unless we ask someone selling a non-SEO product.

          I don't agree about off-page SEO being 95% of the needed SEO to rank a page. I've got plenty of pages ranking for decent keywords/traffic with 100% internal links on large established sites.

          I'm not saying anything against off-page SEO, off-page SEO is defiantly needed to get the ball rolling when starting up new sites or sometimes even new categories.

          On larger sites If the external links are quality the site will get to a point when it should generate a lot of authority for new relevant keywords. That's why I've recommended in the past for people to not be afraid of targeting high competition keywords.

          It doesn't matter If the site ever has pages that actually rank in the SERPs for the toughest keyword in the niche, it does matter that those tough keywords are found by Google on the sites pages, the easy keywords need to be tied to the tough keywords on the same site spread out over multiple pages.

          Google looks at the BIG picture, the entire package (site) when trying to decide the target pages position in the SERPs.

          I realize a page can be ranked with 100% external links, IMO that's just trying too work yourself to hard for no reason. It's easier to own the supporting pages/links than to rely on off-page SEO for doing most of the work.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            I don't agree about off-page SEO being 95% of the needed SEO to rank a page. I've got plenty of pages ranking for decent keywords/traffic with 100% internal links on large established sites.
            Yes you have plenty of pages ranking but how come that they started to rank? Cause of internal links, but where did those pages get the juice from? Other internal links and those? From external links.

            So it all starts with offpage, when there is no pipeline to the site then the juice won't flow!

            Oh you already said to start the ball rolling, lol I'm such a halftime reader.
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          • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            I don't agree about off-page SEO being 95% of the needed SEO to rank a page. I've got plenty of pages ranking for decent keywords/traffic with 100% internal links on large established sites.
            Yes bad wording by me. Let me rephrase it. For me personally ranking is about 95% offpage. Which means offpage definitely works for those who take that approach.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              This thread is a great example of why a lot of very experienced SEO people have run away from here screaming "get me out of here". Seriously in the last three to four months this section of WF has turned into 60-70% garbage
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  • Profile picture of the author prakashinfo
    SEO can't be Dead, just some parameters are change. SEO is one such industry which keeps changing and we need to align with that by changing our strategy and techniques.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenjones86
      What type of techniques do you adopt to get high rankings on Google after penguin update? Off page is almost of no use now. More and More companies are moving towards SMO, 70% of the companies worldwide are active on Social media now as they think that it is not beneficial to depend on SEO only.

      Originally Posted by prakashinfo View Post

      SEO can't be Dead, just some parameters are change. SEO is one such industry which keeps changing and we need to align with that by changing our strategy and techniques.
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      • Profile picture of the author Duy Nguyen
        Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

        What type of techniques do you adopt to get high rankings on Google after penguin update? Off page is almost of no use now. More and More companies are moving towards SMO, 70% of the companies worldwide are active on Social media now as they think that it is not beneficial to depend on SEO only.
        First, what's the point of your post? To spread the misinformation about the death of SEO? What's your point when in the OP you ask for other people's opinions and whenever someone says that you just need to do differently and adopt you turn right in and say "No, it's of no use!?" If that's your thought and opinion already, and you want to believe that sh*t then why ask? I believe most people here will always say the same thing and that's SEO WILL NEVER DIE (unless one day all search engines decide to quit)!

        Second, you said offpage SEO is of no use now? Yet I still use the same link building techniques and tactics as before to rank both my sites and my client sites on the SERPs. You just need to choose quality over quantity now and keep an eye on your anchor text profile. Article directories, blog comments, directory submission, etc are considered spammy now? Then you really should stay away from them and let people who KNOW what they do implement those techniques

        Third, 70% of companies world wide are now moving to Social Media Optimization? If that's really the case then I'd be more than happy to know that as I know the SEO playing field is much less crowded now lol!

        Conclusion: You believe what you believe and if you are not that open-minded to adapt and progress then just sit there and cry SEO is dead. No one cares now really. Just stop doing SEO at all so we (people who keep going on) will have more chances to bank with SEO.

        Now, peace
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    • Profile picture of the author bhushan@rancor
      @ Prakash,
      i agree with you on this SEO can't dead.Only some changes are perform....
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    SEO is not dead. Spamming in the name of SEO and black hat techniques for SEO have gone dead. SEO will be on action probably as long as search engine will be on operation.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenjones86
      Yup you are rite but tell me one thing..on page seo is one time activity and off page activities are of no use now as Google now considers article syndication, directories submission, blog commenting with links etc in spamming techniques, then what is left in SEO?


      Originally Posted by prismkuet View Post

      SEO is not dead. Spamming in the name of SEO and black hat techniques for SEO have gone dead. SEO will be on action probably as long as search engine will be on operation.
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      • Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

        Yup you are rite but tell me one thing..on page seo is one time activity and off page activities are of no use now as Google now considers article syndication, directories submission, blog commenting with links etc in spamming techniques, then what is left in SEO?

        Who said that google considered these backlink sources spammy? It all depends on how you use them. Relevant blog commenting is a great way to get backlinks.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

        Yup you are rite but tell me one thing..on page seo is one time activity and off page activities are of no use now as Google now considers article syndication, directories submission, blog commenting with links etc in spamming techniques, then what is left in SEO?

        Where did you hear that Google considers those things as spamming? Blog commenting is a popular activity for webmasters. Even Google themselves allows people to leave their URL when they comment on their blog.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hossain
        Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

        Yup you are rite but tell me one thing..on page seo is one time activity and off page activities are of no use now as Google now considers article syndication, directories submission, blog commenting with links etc in spamming techniques, then what is left in SEO?

        You need to learn lot more about SEO. There are lots of spam kings/queens still doing spamming hilariously and getting results. Old link building techniques are still working. Definately some changes has made but core of SEO remains same. Good onpage strength+Backlinks from high PR, relevant, authority pages.

        No I am not supporting spamming. Just saying google is not smart enough to kill spammers and stop spamming till now. But may be in future, who knows.. Still SEO cant be dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author ujaladil
    More and almost companies are moving towards smo 80% of the companies worldwide are active on same Social media now as they think that it is not beneficial to depend on Seo only thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author e@buzz
    SEO can never died, but you can say now Google become more strict and noboday can do any un-ethical or illegal work.
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenjones86
    If you are manipulating the links to your site, then SEO is of no use for your site as Google has become more smarter than ever before and then you can move towards SMO as Google is now giving importance if you are active on social media and improves your rankings if you are sharing useful information with others through social media sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author kumarvijay
    SEO is not dead but we can spam work,black hat SEO techniques are dead for now.So we need to use white hat SEO technqiues with quality and creative work to get good results over search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

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    Yes! SEO is Dead because SPAMMER like you who copy paste the other one's thread apply same strategy in SEO.
    I was posted this thread few days ago on this forum......
    Spam.. Spam.. Spam..
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  • Profile picture of the author hireseowriters
    SEO can change everyday, and forever but no one can kill it. SEO will always exist in one way or another.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    No, SEO is not dead. And will not be in the long time. Don't listen to all the garbage out there that are saying SEO is dead. They are just trying to sell you something (most likely paid traffic course or social marketing course).
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  • Profile picture of the author syalala
    SEO for google penguin I think more concerned with Onpage SEO and article quality

    1. keyword research
    2. create a quality article
    3. advantage of social media

    please give your input
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Yes SEO is dead. Move along now brotha.

    No seriously, SEO is far from dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    LOL this thread was obviously started using a software spam.. come on people
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  • Profile picture of the author aawebdev
    The new Google Penguin update was a big change that has been very unsettling to SEO’ers, both blackhats and whitehats.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alekseevna
    When is the next penguin update planned?
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  • Profile picture of the author C Rebecca
    No, SEO is not dead... It’s just has become more legitimate. Search engines are focussing more on refining search results. Now, average optimization practices are not giving as good results as they used to.
    I believe, this is webmasters keep on asking about death of SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ray
    Originally Posted by darrenjones86 View Post

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    SEO will never be dead.

    Google's whole model revolves around understanding a completely changing set of behaviors from it's users.

    Trickery doesn't last.

    You could say that quality SEO is "building quality websites and presenting them in a way that makes them easily accessible to Google and their users".
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Yeap! If by SEO you mean, spamming the hell out of websites in order to get them ranked, then yes, we have run a couple of tests and it is dead. LOL.

    I have managed to tank a couple of our test domains by spamming them with software. Not a good idea anymore.

    If on the other hand, you think relationship building and quality and relevant links are the way to go, then no, SEO is not dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      Yeap! If by SEO you mean, spamming the hell out of websites in order to get them ranked, then yes, we have run a couple of tests and it is dead. LOL.

      I have managed to tank a couple of our test domains by spamming them with software. Not a good idea anymore.

      If on the other hand, you think relationship building and quality and relevant links are the way to go, then no, SEO is not dead.
      You tested with your domain! Automated spamming is always bad. Once it had value but after some update of Google, those really gone dead!
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      • Profile picture of the author bolocancristian
        Absolutely not dead just different then it was before. Its an industry where you need to evolve. Some people don't like that so they'd rather believe that its SEO thats dead rather than the truth which is that its their techniques and knowledge that are dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author coolarabguy
    No, not at all. I'm ranking plenty fine doing pretty much the same thing I was before. If you are lazy and use your tools improperly, you will fail regardless of how good they are. A link building campaign I just did consisting entirely of spun web 2.0s and xrumer/scrapebox links brought me from #19 to #3 for a moderately competitive 4000+ search term.
    Seriously, just watch your anchor text diversity and you're good.
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  • Profile picture of the author saddists
    SEO is not dead at all. SEO has been changed a lot and now old strategies are not going to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author crete
    It's dead......
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  • Profile picture of the author greatestmj
    These threads make me crazy. Every other day a SEO is dead thread is popping up.
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  • Profile picture of the author hebsgaard
    Well, this whole Internet thing was never gonna last anyway.

    Everything you do online you do on a media that is constantly evolving. Some aspects of SEO that a lot of people relied on have taken a huge blow. That doesn't mean SEO is dead.

    Put it this way, Google certainly still use something to determine which sites are supposed to come up first for a given keyword. I don't think they manually go through each individual page on the internetweb to rank each page for specific keywords. The fact that automated factors are still in use means SEO is not dead and never will. The game has changed is all!
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    • Profile picture of the author kajol shafiq
      SEO is not dead, spamming is. SEO is obviously going to change with time, but one who knows what he is doing should remain hale and hearty regardless of Panda or Penguin. There is no need crying yourself hoarse about it!
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  • Profile picture of the author GreenSeoService
    SEO was never dead and it will never die.. Just that the way to do SEO is changed.. So U have to keep oneself updated with latest changes happening in the SEO world and act upon it immediately..
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  • Profile picture of the author Tuned
    just the SEO criteria is changed after penguin, SEO is not dead and never will be..
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    SEO might not be totally dead, but it's completely overrated. Many people spend too much time worrying about SEO and not enough on other factors.
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