Why do the majority of internet marketers make crappy sites and expect to make a ton of money?

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While searching for new keywords it seem as if things had gotten much easier to rank sites post penguin, I use micro niche finder and traffic travis together. Micro niche finder seems to show how the serps use to look before penguin, but traffic travis shows real time serp positions.

So I might look to see if a keyword is easy or not and search (mob) measure of backlinks to see who is on the first page of google, and normally it will show at least 3 exact match domains, than I check using traffic travis and all of those same domains are gone, and because of that that keyword has become easy to rank.

What I've found lately is that my main competition is large retail stores who don't optimize their pages for these terms, probably because they get so much traffic that they don't care about a keyword that get's 4,400 or 9,900 because they rank for terms that get 50,000.


Anyways back to the point I was trying to make, when I look for the .com,net,org versions of these websites there all poorly made and have bad links profiles, and this seems to be common which means there are a lot of marketers just spitting out these corny little sites, and than expect to make thousands online, or they wonder why they lost their rankings.


I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to make a great site for people, especially if your making money from that site. It's a win win situation, it seems to me like a lot of IMer's are selfish they want to take, but not give.

Your visitors make you money right, so why not pay them back by having a great site?


Please stop making these:

Common for adsense

Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor


Common for amazon

Lawn Mower Review Sites | Consumer Opinion and Feedback
Actually the lawn mower sites is not bad, it's just the fact that you can tell right away that it is a amazon affiliate site, people use the same type of templates a million times.



Oh and for you amazon guys, there are more niches than just home improvement,power tools,saws,mowers it's like everybody makes sites based on some e-book, there are plenty of items without competition that cost more than a hundred dollars, that has a lot of good reviews.
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  • I think the lawn mower site is fine? Just because its "standard" doesn't mean that the actual value it provides is any less. Are you going to rage on bloggers who use TwentyEleven or TwentyTen next? What about hairdressers that use scissors as their logo?

    I remember you made some kind of site, and it was god awful too. So surely you must know why internet marketers do this? It's to make quick, easy, off-hands money.
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    • He might not but hey I will. Height of laziness with all the themes for wordpress out there.

      and yes there are big downsides that I think a few of you are not getting. Its not a matter of being an ugly site its a matter of using the same themes and designs being used by hundred or thousands of sites doing the same thing.

      there are manual reviewers Google employs and sometimes when you see the same thing over and over you just get a prejudice for a site. I'm sorry but if I see a twentyeleven theme on a site with 15 or more in article links on the home page my first assumption is its a SEO blog network site. It would take good evidence to dissuade me because I have seen so many lazy network owners just slap up that theme and drop links its become just a natural assumption and one I am sure reviewers have as well.

      It has user implications too because if I see a twenty eleven theme on a site it just tells me that owner doesn't have much effort put out and the content is probably going to suck for that same lack of effort. Some exceptions? yes but most of the time it follows just like I thought.
  • Good observation nest28.

    I think you have to recognize that a good amount of people attracted to IM are for the most part lazy as the glitz and glamor of making passive money and quitting your day job is quite appealing to these folk.

    As I am sure you know IM though rewarding, takes quite a bit of work. Ironically it actually takes a TON of work to make "passive" income.

    That being said you could make the same argument about dieting. Everyone knows how to lose weight. Diet and exercise, duh. Yet there are so many fat people.

    IM is the same way. How do you make money? Create quality websites and user value. Easy peezy yet so many people don't have the discipline to do so.

    What we do is not hard, just monotonous. Good topic, I would be curious to hear what others say.
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    • LAZY and WSO mentality just about sums it up.
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  • Who cares what other people do? As long as you're doing a better job than they are then whats it matter anyway?
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    • You seem like your offended or something, I don't know what god awful site your talking about, I only showed 3 sites of mine, and 2 were nowhere near finish and all of my sites were a hundred pages, plus some had forums, that alone makes my sites better than any the sites mentioned above. All I said was stop making crappy sites and I always get people who want to say negative things, yet if I said hey i make 3000.00 a month from 50 sites you'd be asking me how I did and probably try to replicate it. All I make is quality sites, none of my templates are commonly used and if you went to one of my sites you wouldn't even know I was a amazon affiliate.


      You got that right, and judging by some of these comments so far it will be plenty more of these ugly sites made before the day is out.
      This is a forum, I simply started a thread based on something that was on my mind.
  • I was refering to your medical one, and just because it has a lot of content doesn't mean a site is not crap.

    I'm not offended, I just think you are a troll.
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    • I'm glad I'm not as ignorant as you, your probably mad because you make sites like the ones I pointed out. I don't know or care what ya problem is, but know this, your really lucky this is a online forum and your far away. People like you never have the heart to say these kinds of things in person. I stand behind my old ultrasound site, and any site that I make.


      You people rather believe liars,WSO saying the same ol bull, than to listen to somebody that's actually trying to help, whatever mass produce ya ugly sites that will be banned at one point or another I really don't even know why I cared.
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    I'm sure there's a few folks banking with Amazon, my question is who in the world would buy a riding mower on Amazon? Maybe Amazon gets buyers for riding mowers (IDK), I would seriously be impressed If they did make riding mower sales.

    I use Adsense for my own sites & maybe I'm biased but the Amazon fake review sites irritate the he$$ out of me, I guess because as an IMer I know they're all fake.

    I don't build Adsense sites like most folks around here, I have 3 larger sites (and a few smaller related sites) that provide usable/wanted content for traffic. I literally had non-SEO traffic in place before I ever built my first Adsense sites. I know exactly what my traffic likes/wants, all I do is provide the content (traffic lure).

    I know there's thousands of ways to earn money online, IMO the key is a traffic lure, which is either a product/content, or service.

    One thing the micro sites haven't experienced (or they wouldn't build micro sites) is how larger useful sites get & retain traffic (besides SEO). Large useful sites generate traffic from word of mouth and relevant blog/forum post posted from existing traffic & snowballs over time. Yeah I know, people don't don't want to hear this, anyways, it works.

    Ask yourself this "How much traffic would I have If all my traffic kept returning to my site/s?". Only relying on new traffic is just too much unnecessary work.

    Also, just because you run Adsense doesn't mean you can't build an email list (assumes content is worthy) & notify old traffic about new content to get them back to your site ($$). Matter of fact, Adsense can be monetized directly in a Feedburner email, traffic doesn't even have to follow the link in the email back to the site, they can click the Adsense directly in the Feedburner email.
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  • You know I often feel the same way as you do. I care about what my sites look like, therefore I take the extra time so it doesn't look like total crap. I think it just comes down to who is looking at the site. The ones who aren't internet savvy probably won't care and that's who you ultimately want to have landing on your niche sites, hitting the Adsense or Amazon links.
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    • I think that's a nice site mate. But I was never really arguing that you couldn't make great sites, I just think you are being pretty saint-like by jumping in here telling everyone else what's crap, when I DISTINCTLY remember your ultrasound site being very messy with poor formatting and ads blocking most of the site.

      I'm sorry if you felt being called a troll was out of line, I just see you constantly make these threads that you know the answer to and somehow trying to perceive yourself as some kind of holy genius of marketing...oh wait you're the anti marketer of the marketing forum sorry.

      I'm sorry if you feel hurt by what I'm saying, but I just speak the truth man, I can't put on a face and just say: Fantastic post Nest, you're the man! when I add everything up, hope you understand.
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      If you don't care about that domain you could still sell the EMD & throw in any content you already have. At least you would break even (or better) on the domain cost.

      I'm not an EMD believer but there's thousands of people out there who like them.
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    As far as that 6 page MFA site in OP (Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor), a single category of pages on my site/s would knock that EMD/MFA out of the 1st SERP position, If they ranked 1st & I was in the same niche. I have no doubts about that.
  • Like the saying goes, don't argue with fools, because from a distance people can't tell who is who, so on that note I'm outta here. I would like to say sorry to my fellow warriors, why I let this person suck me into a meaningless dispute is beyond me, it's a reflex when some one insults.
  • 1) They want money.
    2) They don't how to make good websites.
  • Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that a great looking sites equals a great site, I'm just saying those old ugly green and black sites are really outdated, not to mention ugly. They offer no value, as for my old ultrasound site, it wasn't ugly or awful , and it didn't have a bunch of ads. I had one ad block in the side bar, that would disappear when someone click on a post. Than a ad block would appear inside the content, I never had more than on ad on a page.


    Even with my amazon sites that I'm making I have decided not to make the image affiliate links, but instead let the customer click on the pic and get a better look , instead of tricking them into going to amazon.

    Not including the site I showed as a example.


    I have been accused of sounding like some kind of holy roller before, why I don't know. When I make these threads normally some of the most successful marketers on the wf back me up on what I'm saying.

    But for the record I am still learning, I ask questions on the forum all the time, I never once said that I know all there is to know about IM. I made this thread because I've seen first hand what kind of sites are being made by the masses, and I totally understand why google doesn't like us, just one look at the examples I gave earlier makes me not like IMers either. When somebody makes a spammy comment on your site you get made and delete it right, so what do you think google is doing.

    Make whatever type of sites you want to make, if you aspire to make crap than that's fine, I personally would like to add value to the internet that's why I had all information sites before, and I used my analytic's report to give my visitors what they were asking for.

    But hey that's just me, most don't seem to care about their visitors, they just care about the money. Maybe I tried to push my way of thinking onto you, in in the process came off to strong, idk, but I'll stop making threads like this either way.

    Ggpaul you my boi, thanx for the back up. Contact me on fb, or I can inbox you my number.
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    • I'll be honest with you. I once was one that made tons of 'not easy on the eye' sites and slapped @dsense on them. It's what I learned coming into IM. I wasn't lazy. It's just what I knew to do. And then the reason I think it catches on is you can actually make a substantial ROI with them. A site I made a while back was a all white, black, simple header, and dark blue links around the shark steam cleaners. At the point of selling it, was earning 100-150 a day. Higher some days near holidays. I think once somebody see's that, they repeat it because it actually does make good money. All about the traffic. Get the traffic there (legit traffic) and you can make it work


      EDIT: "But hey that's just me, most don't seem to care about their visitors, they just care about the money." - and I do believe that's what most are looking for. The money. Not the experience. I can probably almost guarantee you that at some point in your IM career, that if you convert a "crappier" looking site (if you ever create one) that you'll come across a few will actually convert less, are far less sociallably shared, and have a higher bounce rate. Somethings won't make sense in marketing.
  • Your eye for website design and authority dose not match the eye of a 60 year old granny. You should know that already, more then that, i do agree websites should look good.

    Hell its so cheap and easy to put up an amazing website. But sometimes you need to DOWNGRADE it for the ctr to rise.

    Common IM issue.
  • You speaking the truth. I like when you said you make money off them so give them something back!
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    Ha, ha, check this out, I followed the search/link I posted in my last comment & clicked a few pages deep in Google search.

    Who would have ever thought that the US Gov would have a database of food recipes, complete with nutrition facts, lol.

    If that's all public domain, that's an instant food site waiting to happen. That's just one of the databases, they have thousands...

    Recipe search | SNAP-Ed Connection: Recipe Finder

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    Assuming that Gov recipe database is public domain, that's the equivalent to 594 pages of food related content that could be monetized with Amazon or similar aff., on new or existing food related sites. Or use for building an email list with a free recipe ebook for the optin (like there's not enough recipes on the net already, lol).
  • As with everything there's always some people that look for the fast route or the shortcut, and while some people may be successful in doing this, it really isn't sustainable.

    Now do crappy sites include sites that look crappy but provide value?
  • But ugly sites and design convert well. The Ugly Truth

    Try it yourself. Use one good banner with a nice design then use an ugly banner - people click on the ugly one more because it looks weird!
  • While checking my analytic's report I saw that 21 visitors came from the Warrior Forum, at first I was like what the hell, how did they find this site lol, until I came back (something I hadn't planned on doing) to check how, and or why people were coming to my site, now I know.

    I thought I had erased the links to my site, but Yukon (who I know would be willing to delete the link out of his post) and that other guy, who probably wouldn't, have my site's links displayed for all to see. Well this site, is the gallery style site I was talking about, I'm using 2 more sites like this and one review style site in a case study.

    Anyways check it out if you want, don't matter to me, I wont be around here for few months, I have a ton of work to get done, so good luck to all of you, hope you find success.


    As far as the topic of this thread is concern, I no longer care.
  • If you want to see an ugly web site that makes money then take a look at CAR LEASING CHEAP LEASE CARS SALES CAR LEASING CHEAP CONTRACT HIRE DEALS

    Was featured in worlds worst web sites,it gets 100,000 unique visitors and leases £3.5 million of vehicles every month. She is one odd ball lady who makes plenty of money with a website that looks like her kids made.
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    Why do the majority of internet marketers make crappy sites and expect to make a ton of money?

    While searching for new keywords it seem as if things had gotten much easier to rank sites post penguin, I use micro niche finder and traffic travis together. Micro niche finder seems to show how the serps use to look before penguin, but traffic travis shows real time serp positions. So I might look to see if a keyword is easy or not and search (mob) measure of backlinks to see who is on the first page of google, and normally it will show at least 3 exact match domains, than I check using traffic travis and all of those same domains are gone, and because of that that keyword has become easy to rank.