SEO isn't dead. The people that post those threads probably go to their site and over optimize their posts and pages! lol!

As far as the need for SEO specialists, one can learn to do it themselves. With Joomla & Wordpress, as you mentioned, they make it easy for a newbie to get noticed by the search engines.

Wordpress has some of the best plugins for SEO. You don't necessarily need an SEO expert unless you just need help backlinking. I use an SEO guy, but he is just doing things that I don't have time to do...it's not that I don't know how to do the SEO that he is doing, its just I have other things that keep me busy every day.

SEO specialists are not needed to get to the first page of Google, but if one wanted to get there faster, I would say to get someone to help you.

I suck at chess but I know exactly where this thread is going

Thanks for your response. I agree that SEO is not dead I just read a post called "Marketing is dead" on the Harvard Business Review blog, so the "is dead" headlines are rampant everywhere on every subject.

I agree you make a good point. You hire a specialist figuring they have more time and a vested interested in a certain line of work that you don't have. People will always hire SEO specialists when they think it will help their business and they don't have the time.

But for the general public, it seems like once your SEO plugin has been added, the rest comes down to your promoting your content and your business. I question whether the average small business even needs SEO and how much they can benefit from it, especially if it costs them a lot of time and money to do it.

SEO is defiantly not a strong feature of Wordpress (out of the box), doubtful about Joomla also. The reason is, most theme designers don't have a clue about SEO.

As long as organic SERPs exist people need SEO If they want to target SERP traffic, everyone can't rank #1 in the SERPs.

The CMS platform is irrelevant for SEO, the end product is all the same (HTML).

Of course, SEO is not. But SEO is not the most important factor in rankings. You know now that "content is KING", so you should focus on this also.

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OP tried to make the same kind of arguments in another thread and his points were dismantled which is why he has started another thread to try again.

In this thread lets prove the point instead of arguing it. I'll do that by asking one question and then a quick SEO review . Question first

OP you are clearly in multiple places trying to promote your web hosting company Mosthost. SO why is that your hosting site doesn't rank for anything it is targeting in its title even though you know about Wordpress and Joomla? . IF CMS could do what you claim and make SEO or SEO specialists obsolete then I would not have to point out the glaring errors on your home page and in the strategy your are attempting rank with

A) Your keyword target in your title is not included in your content.:confused:
B) the name of your site is put first in your title pushing back your keywords which "SEO specialists" know potentially cuts off your keywords from being read by Google in entirety
C) your large logo and picture at the top of your page pushes down all your content below the fold thereby potentially burying the content that would cause your site to rank. Big no no after Google announced change to the algo that were meant to target overly commercial pages but it always was a bad practice. Big pictures and logos are unnecessary on almost every level.
D) your headers are a wreck. none of them target anything you are trying to rank or that has anything to do with your business
E) You use images as navigation links and headers and your alt tags are empty

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F) your link profile is REALLY bad. It includes profile links, deleted .info domains, forum sigs etc . You dabbled in some weak stuff. looks like a bad blog network or two and got burned or just lost out so thats why you think SEO is dead because obviously none of that stuff worked for you but they didn;t for anyone for years much less a small business.

SO would a SEO help with a small business? I've just proven it by showing you exactly where YOU need the help of a SEO. Thats just a quick review of the most glaring errors without crawling and running reports. I could probably triple the list of problems if I took the time to do that. NO plugin will catch all those errors and none will do auto correction worth a lick of even one problem. You are day dreaming.

So ahem....when I am not booked I charge minimum $299/ month. You owe me one month and yes I accept Paypal. LOL

On the bright side -

The one good strategy that you do have is that you are using a kind of network of sites you own to boost up your tumblr site but anyway you put it or spin it you are not relying on Google just magically finding your content so your claims are kinda hypocritical. I'll say "kinda" until I receive my $299.

Got to get back to work. My analysis tools are finished running and got to look over my apparently obsolete data.

What a completely off-topic and obnoxious post, Mike.

I haven't spend too seconds 'promoting my business' at this website. You, on the other hand, spend all day here pushing your 'service'.

You didn't tell me why I needed SEO with your rant.

SEO is not dead and will not be.

SEO knowledge does not equal HTML/coding knowledge. It's still very important to know how to optimize your content on-page-wise and how to build your backlinks efficiently.

SEO is not dead. And, it will not be.
Quality content is important. But what will happen when hundreds of quality content will be developed by hundreds of site? Google need to bring some one in the first place in it's search result. What will be the factor to bring the result in no. 1? Obviously that is SEO.

Keep in mind: nobody said SEO was dead I asked "Why is SEO Needed?" I didn't proclaim its death.

My premise was simple: people who make really great content can promote it through various means (networking, social media, email lists) and the like. They can bypass doing hardcore SEO and still manage rankings. So why would people who are good content creators focus on SEO when they could spend the time building up relationships with people that will help them.

That's all I said. I didn't attack "SEO" or "SEOs."

Lots of butt-hurt people in this forum from what I can tell. I guess being sodomized by Penguins and Pandas has that effect on people LOL

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There was no personal attack in this thread until your post about me being "obnoxious". You are making that up because you hated the way I showed your site was in need of a good SEO in contradiction to your beliefs. I did take apart your claims but thats not a personal attack. Frankly Mosthost I have been in multiple threads where you go off on people who have sigs like having one that doesn't go straight to your main site but does promote your main site is better. Its silly. Its a marketing board and you chose to use your brand name for the obvious reason of promoting it. NO harm no foul. If you don't like people marketing then perhaps you shouldn't hang out on marketing forums. Ya think?

You misread. I stated my MINIMUM was $299. When you add in the various factors it goes higher. Theres the annoyance factor as well so you would have to add a zero for me to even consider you and another zero to make it certain. I'm just amused you actually think I was considering you as a client and so you can demand to see references. I would if I was considering but neither of us are.

No SEO professional would consider you based on your views.

What you said is clear and quoted by several people. You clearly indicated that Content management systems existing with SEO features make further SEO unnecessary and in you own words Google will find you

What happened to the site you promote in your username? You've yet to address that. With all the errors it clearly is not being SEOed properly and the real proof of that is that it is not ranking for what it is optimized for in the title.

The whole build it and they will come has been disproven in every kind of business on and offline just has now your idea that plugins somehow make further SEO obsolete. Neither of them has much merit. Promotion will always go along with content and last time I looked Google was still one of the number one places you can drive traffic and get that promotion.

My strategy doesn't involve SEO. Duh.

My business existed long before search engines were popular and will exists long after they go the way of 'Ol Bessie.'

In fact, my website had NOTHING to do with this thread at all.

As I figured, there are no references. You aren't looking for new clients (Sure, LOL). You continue to hide your identity and attack someone's business for no reason.

Let's face it. You haven't contributed anything to this thread other than an attack on a website that wasn't being mentioned at all.

I'm tired of your bullying. (I'm sure I can't be the only one.) Stick to the topic at hand and quit "Umming and LOL'ing" everything with your dismissive attitude.

I'm sure it's not what he intends, but when I see "Mike Anthony" posting, I pull up a chair and get some popcorn out. I love his hand grenade posts. I've been away too long.

^^Most of the time it's premium WP themes that mess up the code really bad.

Standard WP SEO plugins don't really do anything to address internal linking or (most) other on-page SEO issues.

Like Google might be expected.

SEO totally depends on keyword competition. For example if I want to rank for "The Warrior Forum is a totally cool place where angels and trolls meet" I don't need SEO because realistically how many websites will target this keyword? The answer is zero because a) I just made it up and b) why would a normal human being type that into Google?

SEO is all about relevancy. Plain and simples...

Un freaking Real. You can't just use a CMS and think you're gonna rank well against experienced SEOs. That's a joke! I can't believe what I'm reading. I thought warriors are elite IMs.

A person has to do SEO research, figure out the Keywords which will convert, SEO copy which get a response, and that's not off the page factors which is a whole different animal. No freakin CMS can do that for you. Unreal. SMH

After a certain threshold, SEO is needed. Apart from optimizing content, site structure some basic method will put you a step forward.

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