NEW PENGUIN UPDATE COMING SOON!

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What are everyone's thoughts on this:

Google's Cutts: The Next Penguin Update Will Be Big
#coming #penguin #update
  • Profile picture of the author mbwani
    when this pengium update is coming . and what should we do inorder to protect our websites. pengium only deals with the back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author tenantscreening
    No not again I'm still recovering from last Penguin update.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
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    Fantastic. Can't wait for every other thread being about the exact same thing. (How Penguin is ruining sites.)
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    Just when the SEO section was starting to get back to normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Matt Cutts says he wants us to make amazing compelling websites that get links naturally and rise to the top, and I want to sleep with Britney Spears and walk on the moon.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      Matt Cutts says he wants us to make amazing compelling websites that get links naturally and rise to the top, and I want to sleep with Britney Spears and walk on the moon.

      Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

      Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

      This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.
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      • Profile picture of the author STLSEO
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

        Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

        This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.
        Well excuse me. So sorry to anger u and ruin your day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

        Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?
        I thought the same thing. I mean... wow...

        Back on topic: It won't matter after December 21st anyway. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

        Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

        This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.
        You really need someone to be smart to have sex with, oh come on

        Anyway, I'm pretty excited about what the new update has to bring. My services should be Penguin proof by now.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Oh yeah. Sea World is revamping their penguin exhibit.
          It's going to be huge.

          Why do people feel the need to give so-called SEO
          Guru sites backlinks? And think the entire free
          world should fall on their knees worshiping someone's
          article...

          But it should be huge. Any penguin update really needs
          to unload the trash. This crappy SEO junk that keeps
          making the rounds, perpetuating junk websites,
          shmoozing google, really needs to go. 65% of
          SEO people should be hit, because 65% of the SEO
          are not SEO, but poison peddlers.

          The truth? 99% of real SEO will not be hit. As
          usual.

          But then, people mix stuff up all the time. If you have
          created a site just for some keyword that you found
          in some research, you should go.

          Luckily, the real world does not work on that premise.
          People build websites on stuff they like. Already. And
          are experts or have an interest in.

          Real people, with real websites will not be hit. Does
          anyone ever listen? Nope. They just go right on with:

          I found a high paying keyword!
          I got an EMD!
          I installed WP!
          I hired someone on fiverr for some great unique
          content!
          I can't wait for the money to flow!

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.
        ROFL.....but does the girlfriend know about this thing for Hope Solo Mike?
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

        Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

        This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.
        That is so random. Hope Solo?

        Not that I disagree, but it's so awesomely random.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Meh, bring it on. :rolleyes:

    I know they won't target dynamic SEO (links/text), so bring it on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Meh, bring it on. :rolleyes:

      I know they won't target dynamic SEO (links/text), so bring it on.
      Actually Matt said point blank during the same session that he couldn't see links going away any time soon as a major ranking factor.
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Actually Matt said point blank during the same session that he couldn't see links going away any time soon as a major ranking factor.
        Thats the underlying thing with all of these updates. Googles entire core algorithm is based around links. Until that stops then not much has really changed. Also what people fail to understand is lets say 5 years down the road links aren't the core of the algorithm (which I highly doubt) then something else will be which may or may not be just as easy to manipulate.

        Links have proven to be a strong indicator of quality for over 10 years now and for Google to decide to go a different direction may open up a whole can of worms that they don't know about. It makes sense for them to keep the algorithm link based... They know it, they can partially control and police it and there are no big unknown surprises that may take years for them to figure out how to clean up.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1byte
    Yep, more upheaval to come in the SEO world. Matt Cutts posted a new comment on the thread here: Google's Next Penguin Update Will Be "Jarring & Jolting". Here's one thing Matt said that I think is really interesting about incorporating new signals:

    "Likewise, we're still in the early stages of Penguin where the engineers are incorporating new signals and iterating to improve the algorithm. Because of that, expect that the next few Penguin updates will take longer, incorporate additional signals, and as a result will have more noticeable impact. It's not the case that people should just expect data refreshes for Penguin quite yet."
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Funny, from a Google user perspective we're closing in on 6 months since Penguin and Im still waiting for the SERP's to be better. I mean seriously Google handed out a lot of penguin penalties and I still need to get to the 3rd page to find the result I'm looking for half the time. These updates are change for the sake of change. I personally don't feel my search experience has been bettered at all by virtually any of them.

    From an SEO perspective... ahh whatever. Unless they change the core of their algorithm (Page Rank) quality tactics will probably still work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole K
    It's high time for another update with a spate of brand new reports since Panda-Penguin reports have grown old...lol.

    I do hope it has something good in store for those who follow good SEO practices read good content and best practices on their sites.

    Today, even after some of Google's cute animals have gone by you can't get anything decent if you type in relevant keywords. Sales and landing pages selling false promises come up in the search results by the dozens. Blackhat sites feature on page one most of times higher than the Warrior Forum - is this how Google rewards honest forums?

    Who said Google fixed things with their updates - when you look for information on several topics you get shopping sites on page one! Is that Google's idea of "unique content"!

    I won't be surprised if Google comes up with their Amazon and Clickbank type shopping site - they won't have to do any SEO! Larry Page thinks he owns Page One to himself just because he has Page in his surname!
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  • Profile picture of the author kiliki
    I saw some really strange movement yesterday on daily tracking that I do. I saw myself on page 1 and 2 for keyword phrases that I was 10 pages back the day before (almost non-existent). Other phrases that I hadn't budged on in months, took small drops and jumps as well. Site content hadn't changed, and I couldn't find anything else that could tell me why it happened. I was thinking there was an update that I hadn't heard of that just came out. With the news put out today, I think its possible I landed on a test server that might have the new algorithm. Still seeing strange results today though, so maybe some of the algorithms have already been implemented. Anyone else seeing MASSIVE SERP fluctuations too?
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  • Profile picture of the author kiliki
    I wouldn't be so concerned about Panda and Penguin updates until I heard about Tim Carter's site (askthebuilder.com) getting hit hard. He was Google's poster boy for perfect white hat SEO and still got hit hard by it. My concern is that the perfect balance might not really exist or be figured out so we'll always have to dance to a new song when these updates happen. Even then you might not rank well if Google's algorithm is targeting something obscure you can't figure out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
    The penguin update is going to be ongoing...so it really isn't news to me. Anyone who focuses exclusively on SEO as their only ad medium is absolutely out of their mind. SEO should be ongoing, sure. But it shouldn't trump brand building and traditional marketing strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pravir
    Google Penguin is going to deliver one more penguin .. a hard-working penguin which will make more money for google and destroy the small businesses. Despite introducing different creatures by google I didn't notice any improvement in search results .. lately Wikipedia has been washed away from the first page and ebay n amazon has occupied the coveted top positions...do you think that the Amazon or Ebay has better content then Wikipedia....I dont think so......
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by Pravir View Post

      Google Penguin is going to deliver one more penguin .. a hard-working penguin which will make more money for google and destroy the small businesses. Despite introducing different creatures by google I didn't notice any improvement in search results .. lately Wikipedia has been washed away from the first page and ebay n amazon has occupied the coveted top positions...do you think that the Amazon or Ebay has better content then Wikipedia....I dont think so......
      You got it. The last of the 'little guys' hanging on thinking they're immune will soon be washed away like everyone else. Google wants more money. It's not about quality. Anyone who believes the Penguin is for improving quality believes that Santa brings toys on Christmas morning
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      • Profile picture of the author kiliki
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        You got it. The last of the 'little guys' hanging on thinking they're immune will soon be washed away like everyone else. Google wants more money. It's not about quality. Anyone who believes the Penguin is for improving quality believes that Santa brings toys on Christmas morning
        Love the Santa analogy! Me, "the little guy" who was not heavily affected by Panda and Penguin always stays on alert and works to diversify traffic strategies. Sadly, Google is still (and will probably be for a long time) the one we need to please for lots of free traffic. I guess moving to another niche is always an option...
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by kiliki View Post

          Love the Santa analogy! Me, "the little guy" who was not heavily affected by Panda and Penguin always stays on alert and works to diversify traffic strategies. Sadly, Google is still (and will probably be for a long time) the one we need to please for lots of free traffic. I guess moving to another niche is always an option...
          Even if you don't completely diversify, it's still a great idea to start spreading yourself around anywhere you can find traffic. Google has shown a real mean-spirited nature this year and I'm sure it's mainly to keep their revenues growing. They're no different than any other company in that sense. They have to keep their profits rising.

          An easy way to do that is to 'redistribute' profitable traffic like they've been doing. Not only that, but they're producing a lot of their own content now and they compete directly in almost every niche these days. (hosting, domains, travel, etc etc). Heck, they just bought Frommer's travel guide!

          This new Penguin is probably gonna really beat up on affiliates. Just keep your head down and diversify as much as you can before the tsunami hits.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaCheese
    Sweet, Bring it!

    When some sites tank because of Penguins or Pandas, others rise to replace the top spots..

    So we should all be prepared to take the top spots when it happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNAWRealm
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    I'd assume that Google will specifically target SENuke, Scrapebox and other similiar software - because they know these tools are destroying legitimate websites.

    Food for thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author topdown
    Looks like I'm gonna start few websites with different link building styles in order to have a slight idea what it affects this time
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  • Profile picture of the author zavhoz
    it has killed my site
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    For the guys that think Google is killing SEO for the little man, one word, freshness. Learn it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kiliki
    Is there any mention out in the SEO news world about when this update might happen? If not, does anyone have any guesses?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by kiliki View Post

      Is there any mention out in the SEO news world about when this update might happen? If not, does anyone have any guesses?
      I wouldn't worry about it too much. If Google is talking about it, that probably means it is too late for you to do anything about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author kiliki
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I wouldn't worry about it too much. If Google is talking about it, that probably means it is too late for you to do anything about it.
        hahaha... Good Point...
        Sometimes the updates help me or have no affect, but there are other sites I have that I hope start to jump up the ranks against competition I know had questionable SEO practices.
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  • Profile picture of the author crandallman77
    Originally Posted by STLSEO View Post

    What are everyone's thoughts on this:

    Fingers crossed that my blog backlinks are safe
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    On the bright side...This will open the door to a fresh new round of WSO sellers promoting ways to work around this newest update and get back your rankings for those crappy 3 page spun content niche sites. Get in now before the price goes up!
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Wow go to Alexa.. and type in Google and then Bing.

    Google goes down, Bing goes up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cade21
      Back on topic: It won't matter after December 21st anyway.
      What a crack-up. No kidding. Why worry about a Penguin update when we need to be hoarding supplies for the zombie apocalypse?

      Hopefully, I can find a Britney Spears poster for my shelter...
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I'm pretty sure Google will be dead after few Penguin updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author JonVinci
      As I said in a similar thread, I feel like this is really opening up the door for Social Media sites. If you can't trust google, then who can you trust? Well, hopefully you can trust the collective human network on these sites. In fact, I believe there's a few up and coming media sites that should start to be looked at more carefully for building up a target audience to drive more traffic...
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      • Profile picture of the author JoshN
        I wouldn't worry about it too much... I really am starting to believe that Google defaults to spreading FUD because its much easier than actually trying to stop SEO professionals.

        Yes people will get knocked off with this upcoming update... I'm curious to see if it knocks off my UAW sites and wprobot sites which have prospered long past any "expert" on here said they should.

        If they dissapear.. I'm ok with it as I assumed they'd be dead long ago, but they seem to do better than my quote on quote legit sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author JoelWong
          Hahahaha, how unexpected ...
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        • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
          Originally Posted by JoshN View Post

          but they seem to do better than my quote on quote legit sites.
          "quote on quote"?? ...sounds kinky!
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    ROFL! Watchout for Flippa listings.
    Serious symptoms and side effects of G updates can be diagnosed at Flippa.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryPabelate
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      Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

      ROFL! Watchout for Flippa listings.
      Serious symptoms and side effects of G updates can be diagnosed at Flippa.
      Can you please explain more, G and Flippa?
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      • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
        Originally Posted by MaryPabelate View Post

        Can you please explain more, G and Flippa?

        You'll be able to diagnose what Google targeted by checking out all the sites people are trying to unload on Flippa.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

          "You are next Cutts"

          So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

            "You are next Cutts"

            So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.
            This post was funnier than a episode of family guy.
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          • Profile picture of the author Trapped
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

            "You are next Cutts"

            So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.
            LMAO!

            Indeed you are right, Google is becoming less important..but the thing with Britney..huh
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    • Profile picture of the author rajivwebads
      Just wait & watch!
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  • Profile picture of the author david4weaver
    lets wait for the changes
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I wonder when the changes going to roll out
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  • Profile picture of the author aadi144
    I hope everything will be fine after this update,But the way MATT CUTT has said about this update,i think it will create a huge makeover of SEO world.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I honestly believe they going to start relying on social signals a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Whatever the changes will be, i am afraid it won't be positive. I am not saying this to be fear mongering - simply based on past experiences. It will be harder for the "small" webmaster to rank, it will be harder as an affiliate marketer etc.etc. At some point, the only way to rank will be to establish super-authority sites with minimal monetization (EXCEPT adsense, of course) - the web is undergoing a trend right now i don't like (eg. in certain health niches)...where top pages in Google are dominated SOLELY by .gov/.edu etc.etc. sites...almost as if the web regresses back to the days when the web was still new and consisted mainly of pages from educational institutions. In other words: Google results (at least for some niches) have become very boring.

    Google wants to drive the common webmaster to Adwords as the sole way to increase traffic, making SEO more or less impossible on a broad scale. This is their ultimate goal, of course. There is nothing good about this.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Whatever the changes will be, i am afraid it won't be positive. I am not saying this to be fear mongering - simply based on past experiences. It will be harder for the "small" webmaster to rank, it will be harder as an affiliate marketer etc.etc. At some point, the only way to rank will be to establish super-authority sites with minimal monetization (EXCEPT adsense, of course) - the web is undergoing a trend right now i don't like (eg. in certain health niches)...where top pages in Google are dominated SOLELY by .gov/.edu etc.etc. sites...almost as if the web regresses back to the days when the web was still new and consisted mainly of pages from educational institutions. In other words: Google results (at least for some niches) have become very boring.

      Google wants to drive the common webmaster to Adwords as the sole way to increase traffic, making SEO more or less impossible on a broad scale. This is their ultimate goal, of course. There is nothing good about this.
      Well IM'ers/marketeers have nothing to do in certain health/medical niches anyway so if I have a health issue I rather see my answer on a gov/edu site then at some crappy affiliate site that praises some "magical" solution to my problems.

      Having a large amount of affiliate links on a webpage is now already stopping sites from ranking well, same as sites with poor content.

      You definitely do not need a super authority site to rank well, I hear more and more succes stories from people who setup sites with just 8-9 pages and who are very successfull with that with tons of traffic. A little extra bit of content does wonders.
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  • Profile picture of the author mileagedriver
    After this penguin update.. google will be Google Ad network....
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  • Just wish they would f**king do it already!
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Neville Pettersson View Post

      Just wish they would f**king do it already!
      Best answer, lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author dviraz
    let the game begin, horror stories in - 1, 2, 3 ...
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  • Profile picture of the author lonfore
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    I know why Mike Friedman is angry about Briteny! As far as I know he is refused 3 times by Britny. (loves) (loves) (loves)
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  • Profile picture of the author chmae73
    oh my god penguin update again.
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