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Why do you buy SEO services/packages?

by mandos123
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Over the past year I have learned one thing: There is NO need to buy SEO services/packages from WF or somewhere else. Why? Because when you perform your own backlinking campaign, you dont need to worry about peing pandalized,penguilized,penalized etc.

95% of the SEO services on the internet are PURE crap to say the least. Why dont you save some money and buy:

A) magic submitter - bookmarks, press releases, web2.0s etc
B) scrapebox - for scraping HIGH PR blogs to MANUALLY comment
C) rent some HIGH PR links that actually WORK!

.. another option is to pay someone that does the nasty guest posting for you.

My advice to everyone who are struggiling with SEO and backlinking. Get your hands dirty and start your own seo campaigns, forget about the "$59 page one services etc" since they are not worth the pain you feel after another google update.

I dont call myself as a SEO guru, im far from that, but this is what (imo) really works at the moment.
#buy #seo #services or packages
  • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
    Lol at thinking using Magic Submitter gives you quality links, and isn't renting links basically an seo package?

    I buy lots of link packages that work. I've never been penalized for any of them. You just have to not be a retard and buy shit that works. If you know how to do your own seo than you can find packages that work.

    Once you actually start making money you don't have time to do your own seo cause there is more important things to do, hence outsourcing. You can't rely 100% on seo packages but they do have their purposes.

    If you want to rank for more than shit terms you have to pay for it. SEO packages won't get you there on their own but they can be a good start, a way to diversify your link portfolio, or work for easier keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author mandos123
      Originally Posted by tylerherman View Post

      Lol at thinking using Magic Submitter gives you quality links, and isn't renting links basically an seo package?

      I buy lots of link packages that work. I've never been penalized for any of them. You just have to not be a retard and buy shit that works. If you know how to do your own seo than you can find packages that work.

      Once you actually start making money you don't have time to do your own seo cause there is more important things to do, hence outsourcing. You can't rely 100% on seo packages but they do have their purposes.

      If you want to rank for more than shit terms you have to pay for it. SEO packages won't get you there on their own but they can be a good start, a way to diversify your link portfolio, or work for easier keywords.
      why would you waste your money on crap services while you can easily build same or even better campaigns with one click on magic submitter? If you have enough money you can hire a VA to handle the magic submitter.

      IMO, you shouldnt buy SEO packages, because most of the time you dont know what "shit" they are going to spin to get your site ranked for short term. For long term you need to exactly know whats your anchor text %, where your links come from, are they spun or non spun etc.

      Look, everyone has own opinon about this one. Im just saying, learning SEO can be easier/better than ordering SEO services that are unreliable.

      PS: Im not saying that magic submitter produces quality links. those links can get you to the first page with less effort and without being penalized (if you do it correctly). You need some high pr links(which you cant get from 95% of the services here on WF) to get to the real top.
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      • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
        Originally Posted by mandos123 View Post

        why would you waste your money on crap services while you can easily build same or even better campaigns with one click on magic submitter? If you have enough money you can hire a VA to handle the magic submitter.

        IMO, you shouldnt buy SEO packages, because most of the time you dont know what "shit" they are going to spin to get your site ranked for short term. For long term you need to exactly know whats your anchor text %, where your links come from, are they spun or non spun etc.

        Look, everyone has own opinon about this one. Im just saying, learning SEO can be easier/better than ordering SEO services that are unreliable.

        PS: Im not saying that magic submitter produces quality links. those links can get you to the first page with less effort and without being penalized (if you do it correctly). You need some high pr links(which you cant get from 95% of the services here on WF) to get to the real top.
        Clearly if you think 1click on magic submitter is getting you something of value, I'm going to love seeing your sites after the next update.

        Yes you should learn SEO, and the first thing you need to learn is, the easier a link is to get, the less it is worth. The tricks that are getting your sites ranked now are going to bite you in the ass by this time next year.

        It'll take a while for this to get through because WaFo tends to be a year or two behind the times but...

        social bookmark blasts, wiki blasts, article marketing spam, comment spam, shitty 2.0's propped up by more shitty links... none of this stuff is going to work a year from now.

        Agree with you that people should stop buying this stuff because 1) it barely works now 2) it won't work at all 1, 2, 5 years from now.

        BUT there are lots of good services still out there that work and will work into the future. So like I said, if you are smart about what you buy, you can definitely still rank sites with other peoples services.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by mandos123 View Post

    A) magic submitter - bookmarks, press releases, web2.0s etc
    B) scrapebox - for scraping HIGH PR blogs to MANUALLY comment
    C) rent some HIGH PR links that actually WORK!
    A) Magic Submitter is a bad choice for noobs cause what will they do? Keep on building the same links on the same platforms and end up with 0% IP diversity in the end. Cause they would need so many of these links to rank that they just keep on repeating the same.

    B) Scrapebox? Unless the site is very high relevant and non auto approve then it might give some effect to your rankings, but really very little, besides that most blogs are nofollow so that kills the effect even more

    C) You don't have to rent high PR links and end up with recurring costs each month. You can also buy high PR links that stay on the homepage for quiet some time, and then slowly drip off to an innerpage, VERY effective and very non spammy. You can say yeah we've seen that with BMR, ALN and what not but there are 2 huge differences here. Those networks all used the same cheap ass c-class SEO hosting, and they posted like 10-15 times a day to each blog. That's not like stay on the homepage for quiet some time, instead that's more like 1-1.5 day on the homepage if you're lucky, very spammy, very poor content, and all the sites looked exactly the same with no clear explanation what the goal of the website itself really was. Just one random mix of 1000 niches.

    So for people that don't want to keep on spending each month and that don't have the budget to buy a ton of domains theirselves then a package can still be a very good solution and guess what? I sell such packages, 100% safe and insane effective.

    It's a shame that it seem to be that I am one of the only ones who knows how to setup a correct network and still ask fair prices so your 95% rule definitely applies.
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    • Profile picture of the author mandos123
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      A) Dude seriously, advice people to buy Magic Submitter, and what would they do with that? Keep on building the same links on the same platforms and end up with 0% IP diversity in the end. Cause they would need so many of these links that they just keep on repeating the same so for noobs this is no good advice

      B) Scrapebox? Unless the site is very high relevant and non auto approve then it might give some effect to your rankings, but really very little, besides that most blogs are nofollow so that kills the effect even more

      C) You don't have to rent high PR links and end up with recurring costs each month. You can also buy high PR links that stay on the homepage for quiet some time, and then slowly drip off to an innerpage, VERY effective and very non spammy.

      So for people that don't want to keep on spending each month and that don't have the budget to buy a ton of domains theirselves then a package can still be a very good solution and guess what? I sell such packages, 100% safe and insane effective.

      It's a shame that it seem to be that I am one of the only ones who knows how to setup a correct network and still ask fair prices so your 95% rule definitely applies.
      I kinda agree with you at some points, but..

      manual blog commenting can be effective. I have ranked few sites to the top 3 with only manual high pr comments. And those keywords are not low competition at all. Furthermore, manual high pr comments can get your PR to 3+ just with few approved comments

      you can do magic with magic submitter. tier, tier 2 backlinks, changing content etc. same IP? I dont know what you mean, do you mean that those sites will ban you because you are posting under the same IP? Maybe yes, but google will never know on what IP you are running.. You can always cut off you modem if you have dynamic IP.

      Best of all,
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by mandos123 View Post

        I kinda agree with you at some points, but..

        manual blog commenting can be effective. I have ranked few sites to the top 3 with only manual high pr comments. And those keywords are not low competition at all. Furthermore, manual high pr comments can get your PR to 3+ just with few approved comments

        you can do magic with magic submitter. tier, tier 2 backlinks, changing content etc. same IP? I dont know what you mean, do you mean that those sites will ban you because you are posting under the same IP? Maybe yes, but google will never know on what IP you are running.. You can always cut off you modem if you have dynamic IP.

        Best of all,
        Only manual high PR comments is really not good to rank a site with, you know most sites that are penalized have often one thing in common and that is that they have quiet a few blog comments, so Google definitely frowns up on that. They sure help to increase your PR of the website but that should not be your goal as it's just a number. I have a PR5 site with many comments, it didn't rank anywhere.

        Yes if you tier it up with Magic submitter then it's fine, but most people just keep on blasting the same links from the same platforms over and over so their links don't come from many IP's. Thats what I mean with same IP, if you have 10 links from Wordpress.com then it's 10 times the same IP right. Magic Submitter only supports so many times so soon enough you run into that issue if you don't switch to tiered linking.

        Web2.0's it's all nice and well, but if you just build a web2.0 and do nothing with it for the rest, then it's just another pr n/a link really. I only use web2.0's as a buffer nowadays, in my monthly service we boost these up with high PR links in the 3rd month, and in my fixed price packages we use existing web2.0's where we post multiple clients on the same set of niche related web2.0's so that they really turn into assets, with many posts and in the back end I boost them up so that I end up with 100 networks of 20 web2.0's each and each set for a specific niche. So that in 6 months or 1 year from now they all are pr1, pr2, pr3, at least that's the goal. But many don't understand that and just think they need as many links as possible and just keep on increasing their tier 1 links that have close to 0 value.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
    Stop renting serives! Wait, rent high PR links!

    Umm, why not create some of those high pr links yourself? Yes, it is going to take some time but it isn't like a link doesn't help when it's a PR 1, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Not everybody has the time to do SEO.

    And like it or not, there are a few good SEO expert here on WF, so stop making a wrong call.
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    • Profile picture of the author david4weaver
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      Not everybody has the time to do SEO.

      And like it or not, there are a few good SEO expert here on WF, so stop making a wrong call.
      thats true, why you waste your time
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  • Profile picture of the author DNAWRealm
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    I buy packages to save me time, effort and $$. I don't need to pay $120 for SENuke. I'd much prefer to pay somebody else $5 for a blast.
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