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Lately i've been hearing a lot of people say "seo is dead".

Some of the people saying it clearly don't know what they are talking about... however some are very well known and even they claim that SEO is dead.

I find it hard to believe though? maybe things have changed... your less likely to rank for certain keywords because big companies just buy up all the links online and rank high quickly.

So if seo is dead? whats left? will it ever die?
#dead #seo
  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I wouldn't say it's dead but it is a very un-reliable and very un-stable way to build a business. There are far better and more reliable ways to reach your market than seo
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    • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      I wouldn't say it's dead but it is a very un-reliable and very un-stable way to build a business. There are far better and more reliable ways to reach your market than seo
      Sounds better when you put it like that in fact.

      Every way is pretty much unstable.
      I'm trying to see if i can make a site successful by not doing any SEO... so far no good! LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
        I don't use seo on any of my sites, and they are all successful, I found it very reliable to become really good at creating powerful offers, mastering conversions and learning paid traffic.

        SEO is more myth and legend these days. The majority of people making money with seo are people selling products on how to rank, people selling seo services, and people who offer backlinking packages

        Originally Posted by Kadztheman View Post

        Sounds better when you put it like that in fact.

        Every way is pretty much unstable.
        I'm trying to see if i can make a site successful by not doing any SEO... so far no good! LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
          Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

          I don't use seo on any of my sites, and they are all successful, I found it very reliable to become really good at creating powerful offers, mastering conversions and learning paid traffic.

          SEO is more myth and legend these days. The majority of people making money with seo are people selling products on how to rank, people selling seo services, and people who offer backlinking packages
          I can see where you are coming from. But you can't question SEO still works.
          For example i usually work on a site for a while building good readable content... once its up to 1000 UV... den i do some backlink building... I slowly see an increase in traffic. Maybe it would of happened naturally? who knows. but my serp increased.
          Wouldn't say its a myth though... maybe soon
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    • Profile picture of the author sadneck
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      I wouldn't say it's dead but it is a very un-reliable and very un-stable way to build a business. There are far better and more reliable ways to reach your market than seo

      I would say SEO is not dead, it is just changed from the way that it use to be done. Google is trying to kill certain aspects of seo, (I have done a lot of research on this lately.)

      What I learned was, we have to take things from google's perspective. If it can give the user the answer right away, then it has done its job.

      This is why it has built in functions such as google maps, or the unit conversion function, or time conversion, or even currency, or any number of other functions. The point for them is to get their customers the answer for what they seek.

      While things have changed, we do have to remember, when there is change their is opportunity to be had. Look for the opportunity and you will be successful.

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  • Profile picture of the author alllyc
    Yes SEO is only dead for the people who are not doing it in a way it's supposed to be done. SEO will not be dead, Google always need to rank websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
      Originally Posted by alllyc View Post

      Yes SEO is only dead for the people who are not doing it in a way it's supposed to be done. SEO will not be dead, Google always need to rank websites.
      Yeah that is true, but there is no instruction manual haha. It's just a gamble and if you make one wrong move... your site drops.

      For example you can spend months building backlinks and promoting your site then the search engines drop it... waste of time and money. Its bad to build a business model just relying on one source... no matter how good it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author KamauAustin
    If you are in the SEO business you have to get results. The constant updates and algorithm changes just make the business problematic and unreliable. I'm transitioning into other things. It's hard to beat the search engines in a game and platform they create.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
      Originally Posted by KamauAustin View Post

      If you are in the SEO business you have to get results. The constant updates and algorithm changes just make the business problematic and unreliable. I'm transitioning into other things. It's hard to beat the search engines in a game and platform they create.
      Indeed. I am also moving away from SEO... not completely just a small move, im focussing my time on content rather than SEO. targeting untapped markets as well.
      Don't know if it will be as successful?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnes4th
    If SEO is dead, it is either a zombie or a vampire because it just keeps coming back...

    I guess a better question would be "Is SEO Undead?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    The old way is but I am ranking 1st page and very high for 5 different products. It seems to be way easier then it used to be. I only started the site a month ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
      Originally Posted by bilkat19 View Post

      The old way is but I am ranking 1st page and very high for 5 different products. It seems to be way easier then it used to be. I only started the site a month ago.

      could it have just been that you have applied your skills more effectively or there is less competition for what you are trying to rank for?
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      • Profile picture of the author UpNorthGuy
        Depends on which search engine you are talking about....

        If you mean G, then yes, unless you have wicked tools and tactics that can generate loads (thousands) of back links every day. The days of Bum Marketing are gone because G turned into an advertising platform.

        For other engines, YMMV, but it matters little since G has around 80% of search.

        I'm waiting for G's decline.

        This is one of the most accurate assessments of G I've seen: Top 10 Signs That Your Google Search Results Suck: Flowchart « In the Flow
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        • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
          Originally Posted by UpNorthGuy View Post

          Depends on which search engine you are talking about....

          If you mean G, then yes, unless you have wicked tools and tactics that can generate loads (thousands) of back links every day. The days of Bum Marketing are gone because G turned into an advertising platform.

          For other engines, YMMV, but it matters little since G has around 80% of search.

          I'm waiting for G's decline.

          This is one of the most accurate assessments of G I've seen: Top 10 Signs That Your Google Search Results Suck: Flowchart « In the Flow
          Yeah man i totally agree... basically they say they want only relevant fresh content and that people should keep their sites regularly updated with "quality content".

          i too am waiting for google's downfall. Can't see it happening... if it does it will be a long way away.
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  • Profile picture of the author lollobrigida
    Of course... SEO is dead...
    it happens every other week...
    long live SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author vCr8
    OMG.... Is it for real this time? SEO is dead for the nth time in threads
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  • Profile picture of the author plongmire
    I'm not sure it is dead. I still use search engines to find the things I want...so it is still the mode to be found.

    However, if the question is...

    Is SEO a reliable business model, I would say no. Do I still get traffic from it, yes.

    Is it the mainstay of my business no.

    No matter what your business model is there are three things every business needs.

    Product, people, and profit.

    people's methods are different in acquiring those three things, but seo might fall under the people tag. How can we get as many people seeing and interacting with the products we offer.

    Here are a few suggestions IMHO
    • Create great content...
    • Be where your market is
    • Build your business off your own platform---
    • Over deliver

    There are about 20 powerful methods of generating traffic to your site. And depending on what you are trying to accomplish they will all work.

    Then there are three that you can really build a business off of...even if you used but one of them...and I'm not sure SEO would be one of them...it changes to often...at least for me...
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    SEO isn't dead. Scraping, spinning and backlink spamming are on their way out though. And those techniques were the heart of what some people called SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhushan@rancor
    I can't think that SEO is dead and will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author emmanuelm
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    Go to the latest product news sites and rank for them, since they are new and no one knows about it yet. Just today I made a campaign for Guilds War 2 and it wasn't too hard to rank for. SEO is not dead but very hard and time consuming for specific words. Don't waste your time. Use Social Media and Viral Traffic, get noticed on other blogs and sites. Or if you want to do SEO use YouTube videos and optimize them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Coe
    Every time I'm on this forum I find on this every week
    SEO will never be dead, unless all the search engines go down becuase of a Zombie Apocalypse
    Practically everything on the internet involves SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      SEO - Alive and kicking!

      Massive backlinks, link wheels, link pyramids, thin "made for Adsense" sites (basically, crap SEO designed to game Google) - Dead or dying.

      As long as there are search engines, we will be optimizing our content to rank in those engines. If it's not Google, it will be Yahoo, Bing, or whoever else owns the search marketshare...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole K
    SEO is Search Engine Optimization and a term will never die...lol.

    As long as there are search engines SEO will live. The day search engines shut down SEO will die.

    Every search engine will always have criteria that will rank websites and if you make the best out of your site by following those guidelines and criteria you will have a good ranking for your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoblast76
    SEO is not dead and it cant be. more and more businesses are running towards online presence and they spend their money and time to make it possible. SEO can never be dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author fizamalik
      No SEO cant't be dead, it's working as it is yes after the penguin Google strict for those who used to do unethical techniques
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  • Profile picture of the author siyajoshi
    SEO is not dead but yes the way of doing SEO is changed a lil bit.We should take it as a challenge and move ahead with the new guide lines of Google......
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinNoel
    No, it's not dead. It's just that more and more people are moving towards Ads/CPC because they fail in SEO.

    The penguin has been great to me -- 300% increase in organic traffic in 2 months. Definitely not dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    SEO is dead.

    [insert useless irrelevant PRn/a backlink here]
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  • Profile picture of the author risingrank
    seo is appearing death for the lazy ignorant.
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  • Profile picture of the author faithyunn
    SEO is not yet dead, I think we should do some adjustments with our strategies in accordance too Google Algorithm.
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      LATEST UPDATE!

      Authorities have confirmed that SEO is still dead.

      There is still no word on the health of Article Marketing, Video Marketing, or Internet Marketing in general, but authorities are assuming that they are also dead.

      There is, however, no confirmation on the rumor that I am dead...
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    This thread really went soft. Where are the SEO attack dogs? LOL

    SEO isn't dead, it just has emphysema, heart disease, and lung cancer. It's due to a bad diet of spammy backlinks
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Yeah, SEO is definitely dead. Nobody is ranking anymore. When I try to Google something, it is nothing but blank pages coming up now. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post


      SEO isn't dead, it just has emphysema, heart disease, and lung cancer. It's due to a bad diet of spammy backlinks
      You can always tell the fat people by the fact that they can't imagine a world where not everybody eats Ice cream and cake.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Yeah, SEO is definitely dead. Nobody is ranking anymore. When I try to Google something, it is nothing but blank pages coming up now. :rolleyes:
      Well yeah ...me too . Heres what I don't understand.

      We had the wake,
      The funeral was good
      they lowered the hearse
      the family had a reception
      and everyone left

      So why all these people who say its dead hanging around the front yard?

      They terminal too?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Funny how people that start these "SEO is dead" threads usually drop a backlink.

    If it's dead, why drop a keyword anchor-text link? :rolleyes:

    The real story is, drama gets everyone stirred up enough to keep the OP link intact.
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  • Profile picture of the author DidierEv
    - Grayhat and Blackhat SEO is ALMOST dead
    - Whitehat SEO will never die

    My 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by DidierEv View Post

      - Grayhat and Blackhat SEO is ALMOST dead
      - Whitehat SEO will never die

      My 2 cents.
      You clearly do not spend enough time on Blackhat forums if you believe that.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by DidierEv View Post

      - Grayhat and Blackhat SEO is ALMOST dead
      - Whitehat SEO will never die

      My 2 cents.
      Sorry to break it to you, but most real BH'ers don't really give a crap about the latest and greatest Google changes. They're already 10 steps ahead and making plenty of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author tiroberts
    FINALLY! Someone brought this topic up!

    I've been in internet marketing for 7 years now and I've seen nearly every traffic generation tactic out there.

    I've spent a great deal of my time online learning all things SEO and to be quite honest, IT SUCKS! Not saying that SEO is not a good way to drive traffic, just that the whole process of it is bout the most tedious, mundane task I've ever had to do.

    Over the years, I've pretty much gotten the hang of SEO, however in my opinion it certainly is NOT the best way to drive traffic or build an online business.

    1.) It takes WAY too long to really see any scalable results (including the whole process of it all)

    2.) If you do happen to make it to the first page of Google, it's never really guaranteed that you'll stay there.

    Those Google engineers are always playing cat and mouse with us.

    3.) When/If you find some good keywords, it takes an obscene amount to time and effort to get a #1 ranking and even more blood, sweat and tears to stay there.

    If you're dead set on utilizing SEO to send traffic to your website, I would suggest that you actually pay someone else to do your it for you. Your time is much better spent on other business building activities. You can easily outsource it for a few bucks an hour to someone overseas.

    Or you can take those IM'ers who are still die hard SEO fanatics and piggy back off of them by implementing some stellar paid advertising.

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      Originally Posted by tiroberts View Post

      FINALLY! Someone brought this topic up!
      Finally?

      Where have you been, lol?
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Finally?

        Where have you been, lol?
        I was going to post the same thing, but you beat me to it.

        This thread comes up pretty much every single day.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

          I was going to post the same thing, but you beat me to it.

          This thread comes up pretty much every single day.
          Which would seem to be an indication that SEO is either 1) dead or 2) dying.

          You never used to see threads about SEO dying before Penguin and Panda.

          There's no point in denying the obvious: SEO as a primary money-making strategy is not as effective as it once was. Let's be realistic here.

          What changed?

          1) Link devaluation on a massive scale.
          2) Google placing much more emphasis on domain authority over links to pages.
          3) Crowd sourcing. Yes, Google puts dozens of pages from beloved sites in the SERPs. This was something they never used to do.
          4) The integration of social signals.
          5) User metrics like time on site and bounce rate.

          I could go on and on, but I won't. I'll just get attacked by the wild-eyed true believers. SEO is still alive as part of a diversified online marketing strategy, but by no means is it the 'be all and end all' it used to be.

          Anyone who hasn't noticed any changes in SEO in the last few years is either very lucky or a bold-faced liar.
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  • Profile picture of the author tac88
    SEO is alive & Rocking ! Google has been working on killing it for years now ! They are starting to get close what is coming next is the devalue of none quality backlinks. That is when the shit is going to hit the fan. Google thinks with these updates they are making things better when they are making things worse. Now people are working on negative SEO practices. In other words kill your competition site. Because of some of googles updates now that s--t possible and being practiced. The SEO game will always be alive just how we play it will change.
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by tac88 View Post

      SEO is alive & Rocking ! Google has been working on killing it for years now ! They are starting to get close what is coming next is the devalue of none quality backlinks. That is when the shit is going to hit the fan. Google thinks with these updates they are making things better when they are making things worse. Now people are working on negative SEO practices. In other words kill your competition site. Because of some of googles updates now that s--t possible and being practiced. The SEO game will always be alive just how we play it will change.
      Yes, Google wants a perfect "search engine paradise", where we all just write pristine content without keywords at all, and Google decides what your content is about. Good luck with that!

      SEO is just like a lot of other strategies/technologies - reminds me of the "copy-guard" race that's been going on for years - movie companies put blocks on their movies to prevent copying, the pirate software producers find ways around it. Movie companies find ways to thwart the movie-pirating software, the pirates come up with a way around that. Spy vs. Spy (Mad Magazine).

      For that reason, SEO will never completely die - people will always find ways around the rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamTCW
    SEO is not dead, but it is changing slowly..

    And other thing is greed of webmaster, they think that they would get the result quickly.......

    I ask you how many sites do you maintain at a time?

    Most of you would be targeting too many sites, so how would you expect from SEO.

    SEO says that create one site, develop content, promote your site legitimately and your site would be authority site, you would be getting good result...
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    ANYONE THAT SAYS SEO IS DEAD IS A COMPLETE IDIOT

    Jesus, have people forgotten what S.E.O actually stands for?

    Let me remind you,

    Search Engine Optimisation

    So as long as search engines exist, we can optimise for them.

    By asking is SEO dead you might as well as say is Google dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxi1998
    I don't think SEO is dead.
    It is pretty much alive.

    But you need to keep finding new ways to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author xtwistx
    lol ! Liars ! seo is alive than ever !
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