Idea: All In One Privet Blog Network Building Thread?

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I thought since there has been lots of threads/questions lately about building true privet blog networks, we could perhaps create a kind of all in one privet blog network building thread where we can all discuss the issue, newbies can ask questions, pros can answer questions if they wish and perhaps we all share our experience.

Now, I know the topic is a kind of topic that many people (and perhaps those who do run privet blog networks) are not comfortable discussing in the public, so I apologies for that. But since we do have lots of threads here and there and lots of people like myself with many unanswered questions, this all in one thread could serve as a resource for all of us.


For starter I will start by sharing what I have learned so far. I am a newbie in this field, so this is what I have learned so far from pros like mike and others on this forum (thank you guys).


Hosting
Its advised to use a whole bunch of separate shared hosting accounts from different providers instead of using seo hosting. I mean, many so called seo hosting companies do provide separate IPs but then you get stuck using the same name server for all your domains and thats a dead giveaway.

Now I do know a few do actually provide different name servers for each IP as well. Non the less, I think its much better to be lost in the sea of thousands of other sites that are hosted on shared hosting accounts then paying more for a seo hosting.

Perhaps you could use both!


Quality of the sites
Build each one of your network sites as if they were real sites, so if by any chance any of them get a manual review, they can pass. Plus, building them with quality in mind, gives you a lot of great asset in the long run. You could perhaps target related (to money site) long term keywords for each site and rank for them as well.


Randomness is your friend
whether its your theme, plugins, widgets, anchor text or what have you, its believed randomizing things lowers your risks leaving foot prints.


until you start building your own network, you are not gonna know everything. Like most other things, a hands on experience is worth more than months of reading and learning. Of course, that doesn't mean you should not ask questions and jump int it blindly.


Now here is one question I have that I am hoping experienced warriors can answer.

1- Do you build backlinks to the sites in the network? If so, would it matter what kind (meaning would you use fiverr gigs since you are mostly trying to keep and perhaps raise PR and are not worried much about ranking)?



I really hope you guys will participate and share your experience and knowledge. I am sure many will be grateful. I sure am grateful to many warriors. Thank you all in advance.

All that said, if you guys dont think this is a good idea (having an all in one pbn building thread), I totally understand. We can just leave this thread alone or perhaps moderators can kindly delete the thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    I know nothing about networks. But surely you need backlinks to get the pr in the first place?
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

      You've got a great thread for infos regarding private blog network but hey, the network require alot of maintances fees.

      Let's say a PR 2 domain cost around $40, where each C-Class IP cost around as an average of $3(or share hosting on branded host for $5 to $10 each), the annual fee for the domain would be $15, and the other expenses like setups, articles, etc.

      So to average out the final fee, one domain would cost you around $68.

      If we own 100 of these it would be $6,800 my guess?

      And what if the Big G want to trace and penalize all of these blog, it would be a waste of $6,800.

      So if we yet to discuss here, we will need to be more serious on analysing what are the needs and avoids for a blog network.

      As for your question, just Fiverr for "increase blog PR", guess there's something would suits your needs.
      See now I'm getting more confused. Did just advise him to get backlinks from fiverr for a private network? Surely you give network websites pr the same way as normal websites!!
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    • Profile picture of the author greatestmj
      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post


      As for your question, just Fiverr for "increase blog PR", guess there's something would suits your needs.
      Sir, you rock!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by greatestmj View Post

        Sir, you rock!
        MJ anyone can claim the links they give you are permanently on PR pages and then remove it a few weeks/months later when neither Paypal or a credit card company can get back your money. You would be flushing money down the toilet.
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    • Profile picture of the author satrap
      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

      You've got a great thread for infos regarding private blog network but hey, the network require alot of maintances fees.

      Let's say a PR 2 domain cost around $40, where each C-Class IP cost around as an average of $3(or share hosting on branded host for $5 to $10 each), the annual fee for the domain would be $15, and the other expenses like setups, articles, etc.

      So to average out the final fee, one domain would cost you around $68.

      If we own 100 of these it would be $6,800 my guess?

      And what if the Big G want to trace and penalize all of these blog, it would be a waste of $6,800.

      So if we yet to discuss here, we will need to be more serious on analysing what are the needs and avoids for a blog network.

      As for your question, just Fiverr for "increase blog PR", guess there's something would suits your needs.

      Thanks for your response. Yes, I guess many of us dont realize all the extra costs until we start building it and actually seeing that the cost for each domain is not going to just be that $20-$30 or whatever amount you pay for the actual domain. There is going to be hosting, renewal fee, perhaps privet registration fee and so on.

      See, I asked that question, because I personally dont think Fiverr kinds of gigs (for link building) would be a good idea here. I am still not convinced that would be the rout to take. After all a strong network has good back links from strong pages. Not the kind you can find usually on Fiverr though.

      Anyway, I really appreciate your input.
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      • Profile picture of the author satrap
        First of all, thank you all for taking time to give us your input. I really do appreciate it. I know all of you guys are busy with your own business ad lives, so I really am grateful for you guys taking the time out of your busy day to respond to this thread.


        Originally Posted by StarrManUK View Post

        lol Fivver and Private blog networks have no business being in the same thread!

        The whole point of blog networks is you don't have use any bullshit spammy links anywhere, whether for your money sites or your blog network sites.

        You need to "acquire" as many high authority sites as you can for this process, these sites are already strong...that is the whole point and why it works better than other shitty link building methods.
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Haha.

        Fiverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

        Yea the whole point is to get domains with existing (aged, natural, varied, long-term) backlinks. Use forum-search-stuff to find the rest. I know it's there.
        That is what I kind of thought, but since I am a newbie to this area, I thought I would ask. Thank you guys.


        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        The old fiverr derail. It had to happen sooner or later.
        Hey Yukon, I am so glad you are back. Your wealth of knowledge and your generosity to share it on WF was really missing while you were gone. Thanks for all your help man.



        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Never has been anyone that knew all the ins and outs that shared it all publicly for free. We've had threads where people have actually complained at me but people do not understand that all that putting everything out there would do is fill the market with more people bidding up prices.

        So its a losing proposition.

        Besides to be honest if you are going to build a network its going to cost minimum a few hundred. Looking to learn that off a forum where lets face it half or more of the people don't know what they are doing (and a good amount post just for links) is really not being smart.
        Hi Mike,
        I was hoping you would get in here as you are one of the few who I truly trust and believe when it comes to this issue. And you are perhaps right about learning this on a forum. But there are some basic things that you need to know to get into anything. Thats why I wanted to start this thread. But your point is well taken.

        I thank you for giving me and this thread your time and your real know-how of privet blog networks.


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Common sense is necessary for everything but how to check backlinks, understand PR, and a bunch of other things is something that people have to go and learn. I know this is true and not just common sense because in other threads you have asked for answers on networks that common sense didn't give you.
        You are absolutely right. That is why I already started, got 20 domains and have them set up already. See, I am one of those who likes to do things hands on, thats the best way for me to learn. I can't tell you how much I have already learned in this short time.

        Originally Posted by limestone614 View Post

        I have assembled multiple blog networks over the years, and currently operate a network of about 700 sites.

        Each is a real domain, on a shared hosting plan.

        The network is in fact split into multiple smaller networks to keep the hosting costs down a bit, but you are correct, it is not a cheap proposition.

        We utilise xMarkpro as the backend control and use multiple different hosts, hostgator, bluehosts, godaddy, one and one etc etc.

        Lots of different IP's.

        All unique content.

        They work very well indeed, especially if you get good randomness as mentioned previously.

        Anything else you want to know, just ask.
        That is very impressive and also very nice of you to share your experience. Yes, I have already seen how costs can go up so quickly.

        Another question I have is this; Since I am trying to build each site as a real site with only unique content and so on and hopefully ranking them for smaller long tail keywords, I was thinking of obviously keeping track of traffic data.

        So I was thinking to maybe use StateCounter or SiteMeter, but I am so afraid of footprints that I don't know if having either of these options on all the site is such a good idea.

        But then when I think about it, there are thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of sites that use these tools, so my sites would be just a few more in the sea of sites out there who are using these tracking tools.

        What do you guys use (if at all)?... Thank you very much in advance.



        Thank you all once again.
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  • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
    lol Fivver and Private blog networks have no business being in the same thread!

    The whole point of blog networks is you don't have use any bullshit spammy links anywhere, whether for your money sites or your blog network sites.

    You need to "acquire" as many high authority sites as you can for this process, these sites are already strong...that is the whole point and why it works better than other shitty link building methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Thought this thread would go down hill fast but not this fast. Its like a gocart riding down a mountain where you forgot to put in brakes
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The old fiverr derail. It had to happen sooner or later.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      You are not going to get much good information about this sort of thing on WarriorForum.
      Never has been anyone that knew all the ins and outs that shared it all publicly for free. We've had threads where people have actually complained at me but people do not understand that all that putting everything out there would do is fill the market with more people bidding up prices.

      So its a losing proposition.

      Besides to be honest if you are going to build a network its going to cost minimum a few hundred. Looking to learn that off a forum where lets face it half or more of the people don't know what they are doing (and a good amount post just for links) is really not being smart.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    It's not that difficult to build a network lol... You need some common sense and a decent amount of money to invest.

    And I post for the lulz. Mostly. And links. Definitely links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      It's not that difficult to build a network lol... You need some common sense and a decent amount of money to invest.

      And I post for the lulz. Mostly. And links. Definitely links.
      People say that about everything. The most laughable thing they say that about is SEo and yet you see people ask questions and make statements that indicate they really don't know what they claim to. Plus hallf the board goes into a tizzy with each update that takes away spammy links and services.

      Common sense is necessary for everything but how to check backlinks, understand PR, and a bunch of other things is something that people have to go and learn. I know this is true and not just common sense because in other threads you have asked for answers on networks that common sense didn't give you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I know this is true and not just common sense because in other threads you have asked for answers on networks that common sense didn't give you.
        No, not really.

        I looked at a few domain monitoring services, picked registercompass and got a subscription to ahrefs.

        Filter out shitty domains in registercompass, check the "good" ones using ahrefs, Google queries and opensiteexplorer. Look if there's anything good on archive.org and find what links are funneling PR over to our new target domain.

        You obviously need to understand redirects and look out for sneaky temporary links that are there to inflate PR for the auction. When buying PR3's and 4's this wasn't a big issue for me.

        Put domain on my watchlist. Wait.

        Auction gets to <5mins, people waiting to snipe, bid in the last 15 secs, then bid again (or not) and the domain is either mine or it goes for more than whatever I'm willing to pay.

        Important: learn how to use ahrefs, Google queries, how to sort in registercompass, how to use archive.org and how to use opensiteexplorer (all very simple). Decide on your max bid in advance (important) to avoid unnecessary frustration and overspending in shitty auctions.

        That's about all there is to buying domains.

        Hosting?

        Get a bunch of shared accounts at 5-10 (or more if you're buying lots of domains) providers and put the sites there. Transfer your domains out if needed and get privacy up asap. Put some content on each site, maybe something related to what used to be hosted on it (not necessary, really depends on the niche).

        Upkeep.

        Don't need to do much if the domains have lots of strong links. Clean and natural link profile > all. Get some content up, whatever you feel is necessary - don't buy into the fresh content myth.

        My point is - if you can't figure this out on your own (with a few forum/blog searches), you probably shouldn't be building a network anyway.

        I see what you're saying and yes - common sense isn't what you need to build a network. You need some basic to slightly advanced SEO knowledge. Still, most people have no business building one.

        All of my blogs maintain PR, all of them are indexed and pass strong link juice. A few PR updates went by and everything is perfectly fine.

        Blah.

        Also read this for a bit more info.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Filter out shitty domains in registercompass, check the "good" ones using ahrefs, Google queries and opensiteexplorer.
          This should be fun and um how do you filter out those domains?

          Look if there's anything good on archive.org and find what links are funneling PR over to our new target domain.
          Sorry Bnet thats not common sense. You read about doing that here in many threads where I and others discussed it

          You obviously need to understand redirects and look out for sneaky temporary links that are there to inflate PR for the auction. When buying PR3's and 4's this wasn't a big issue for me.
          Its an issue for any PR and there are no "Sneak" redirects. Its a common misconception based on the term "faked" but most redirects are done for perfectly good reasons and um a faked domain can be a great deal sometimes but um don't make me shake your confidence in common sense.

          Auction gets to <5mins, people waiting to snipe, bid in the last 15 secs, then bid again (or not) and the domain is either mine or it goes for more than whatever I'm willing to pay.
          SO essentially you only know how to buy domains at Godaddy?

          That's about all there is to buying domains.
          Nope not even close but hey who am I to educate you further when you seem so happy with what you know?

          Hosting?

          Get a bunch of shared accounts at 5-10.
          Paying too much

          (not necessary, really depends on the niche).
          LOL. No it doesn't. Thats nonsense. It depends on the nature of the links. Niche has absolutely nothing to do with it

          Don't need to do much if the domains have lots of strong links. Clean and natural link profile > all. Get some content up, whatever you feel is necessary - don't buy into the fresh content myth.
          Sorry Bnet I know you think you know it all based on buying some domains on godaddy but you are demonstrating quite conclusively you don't. Your need to do much is not dependent on the quantity of links. If you had much experience in this you would know a site can have a ton of links and they can be all gone in a heartbeat if you don't know what you are doing. Thats why you see PR5s with no links - lost them all and yes you need fresh content but no you don't need to update it every week. If you don't Google will stop visiting as often and the links you put up will be slow in getting crawled.

          Still, most people have no business building one.
          you are being more than a little arrogant especially while proving you don't know it all. Anyone can build a network if they know what they are doing. It takes learning all the ins and outs ( which you still haven't got but its lke SEO everyone claims they know it). It not just common sense.

          [quote]All of my blogs maintain PR, all of them are indexed and pass strong link juice. A few PR updates went by and everything is perfectly fine. [quote]

          Who knows? All we really ever know for real is what someone writes on a board and on a forum the only thing to judge is that content.

          Also read this for a bit more info.
          Don't need to - that was my thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Assumptions and lots of random statements + personal attacks. As usual. Loving it!

            Ok let me address your random rant...

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            This should be fun and um how do you filter out those domains?
            As I only buy niche (health) blogs, I look for brandable domain names and skip all the millenium-act-domain nonsense. So I tend to add a related keyword or two in the filters when using registercompass.

            Then I adjust PR settings, choose only show real PR (I don't care if there are false positives), then add whatever metric I prefer to use (or a combination): alexa rank is a nice filter as it filters out most new and weak domains. Sometimes I'll use seomoz metrics, sometimes link count, sometimes all of them - really depends on how quickly I can find enough auctions to watch.

            Sorry Bnet thats not common sense. You read about doing that here in many threads where I and others discussed it
            No I didn't. I was buying these when I joined here. I used to send spam links to my first batch of domains, lol... that's the only thing that I I learned about here - no to do it. I literally have no idea what thread you're referring to.

            Its an issue for any PR and there are no "Sneak" redirects. Its a common misconception based on the term "faked" but most redirects are done for perfectly good reasons and um a faked domain can be a great deal sometimes but um don't make me shake your confidence in common sense.
            So condescending.

            In my experience, registercompass gets rid of about 99.99% fakes anyways. I stay away from domains with redirected high PR links or doamisn that redirect to them. I don't care if they're going to stick or not - there are plenty of other deals out there.

            I'm not a blog network guru, so I don't know everything there is to know about this, but honestly that never bothered me when building networks.

            SO essentially you only know how to buy domains at Godaddy?
            Man you're so full of yourself! Where'd you get that from?

            I've used every auction site that registercompass pulls data from. I fail to see how that's relevant in any way here, lulz.

            Nope not even close but hey who am I to educate you further when you seem so happy with what you know?
            Sure, I could write up a few pages on every aspect of it... then it'd be an ebook, lol. I'm going to make one as my next free WSO if I have time next week.

            Paying too much
            Doesn't matter if you build multiple networks and don't interlink - I host more than one domain per account and it works fine. I mean, I haven't noticed it costing me a lot. I'm sure there's a way to save another $2-$3/month per account.

            LOL. No it doesn't. Thats nonsense. It depends on the nature of the links. Niche has absolutely nothing to do with it
            As I build niche website, I only post related (to old site) content if it used to be a health blog/site before. I have never bothered to rebuild ANY content otherwise and have not lost a single PR point (ever) because of it. I know, it's all nonsense.

            Sorry Bnet I know you think you know it all based on buying some domains on godaddy but you are demonstrating quite conclusively you don't.
            Another random, completely baseless assumption. You're on fire bro!

            Your need to do much is not dependent on the quantity of links. If you had much experience in this you would know a site can have a ton of links and they can be all gone in a heartbeat if you don't know what you are doing. Thats why you see PR5s with no links - lost them all and yes you need fresh content but no you don't need to update it every week. If you don't Google will stop visiting as often and the links you put up will be slow in getting crawled.
            Never had problems with Google not visiting after posting just 2-3 articles/blog for the first few months.

            What I meant by quantity: if the domain has lots of high PR links from different sources (pages), there's a good chance that mot are going to stick. If there's just a bunch of blogroll from a couple domains pumping PR - they could take the links down at any time.

            I look for domains with sidebar, in-content and comment links. Sometimes I get URL's with good image links, etc - even better.

            There are domains that get PR from internal links, just redirect or rebuild those. There are WP plugins that let you set up any type of permalink, or use htaccess.

            Set up your www/non-www correctly as well.

            you are being more than a little arrogant especially while proving you don't know it all. Anyone can build a network if they know what they are doing. It takes learning all the ins and outs ( which you still haven't got but its lke SEO everyone claims they know it). It not just common sense.
            I'm being arrogant?

            No one knows it all. And that includes you. I'm sure that you know more about network building than me - you teach it after all. I have built plenty myself, so this is just my experience. What I meant is that it's not as difficult as most people here like to think.

            Who knows? All we really ever know for real is what someone writes on a board and on a forum the only thing to judge is that content.
            Yeah you have said this before. I get it, there's no way to know if you or me are lying or not.
            Don't need to - that was my thread.
            Hmmm are you serious? I wasn't replying to your post there. OP asked for info and I couldn't be bothered to repeat everythign I've written there previously. indeed, lol!
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

              Then I adjust PR settings, choose only show real PR (I don't care if there are false positives), then add whatever metric I prefer to use (or a combination): alexa rank is a nice filter as it filters out most new and weak domains. Sometimes I'll use seomoz metrics, sometimes link count, sometimes all of them - really depends on how quickly I can find enough auctions to watch.
              Last time responding to you BNet

              As suspected What you listed above is only ONE STEP. Theres much more to that. IF you are using that as your filter you will get burned unless you are just buying lower PR domains anyway and don't spend much. Using inadequate filtering techniques like that when buying PR4s and PR5s you will lose your shirt (you are of course free to claim otherwise but it won't be true).

              and no nothing was random about my response. You tried to act like you knew it all and there was nothing to it but common sense in response to me saying there was more to it. Those were your words not mine. Thats misleading and yeah saying that people who don't know that stuff shouldn't build networks? That is arrogant and condescending. Anyone can learn.

              I've used every auction site that registercompass pulls data from. I fail to see how that's relevant in any way here, lulz.
              Bnet - you listed a procedure that is only applicable to Godaddy and then said thats all there is to it. Its not. Thats where I got it


              I have never bothered to rebuild ANY content otherwise and have not lost a single PR point (ever) because of it. I know, it's all nonsense.
              What you wrote is the only nonsense. there is no one that has been buying domains that at some point has not lost links to their site and so with it juice. IF you have lost juice then you lost real Pr regardless of whether it was enough to move the toolbar PR and real PR is all that matters - so its one of three things. You haven't been buying much, you haven't been doing it long or you are lying. I'd probably guess the first two not the last. Again niche has nothing to do with it. Its the kinds of links and the likelihood of the webmaster to remove links REGARDLESS of niche that matters.

              If there's just a bunch of blogroll from a couple domains pumping PR - they could take the links down at any time.
              I've answered this before - quantity can vanish over night and some domains with a few will last forever depending on what the links are. Frankly you must be spending through your nose if you are only going for the domains with a ton loads of links. Those go for much more and yet with some good filtering techniques and analysis you will get domains that will stand even with less links.

              I look for domains with sidebar, in-content and comment links. Sometimes I get URL's with good image links, etc - even better.
              Image Links are THE WORSE. If you think about it a webmaster is ten times more likely to remove an image than he is to go back and reread and recheck an old article. Worse if it is a promotional/ad image. Sidebars are the next down because they tend to be sitewide so the webmaster is going to look at it even if it was placed years ago and is much likely to remove

              No one knows it all. And that includes you.
              Don't I know it. I have to learn and relearn. I had things in my course I suggested and earlier this year I had to reverse (thankfully wellt before the deindexings hit) but thats why I don't claim its common sense and you won't hear me saying "thats all to it" like I got it all down in a few paragraphs.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Last time responding to you BNet
                We both know that's not true!

                What you listed above is only ONE STEP. Theres much more to that. IF you are using that as your filter you will get burned unless you are just buying lower PR domains anyway and don't spend much. Using inadequate filtering techniques like that when buying PR4s and PR5s you will lose your shirt (you are of course free to claim otherwise but it won't be true).
                That's all I do using registercompass, the rest is done using Google, majestic, ahrefs, opensiteexplorer and archive.org. I'll write everything up in a quick ebook once I'm done building a couple minisites.

                Bnet - you listed a procedure that is only applicable to Godaddy and then said thats all there is to it. Its not. Thats where I got it
                Every auction site is similar, there are some differences. I'll do a video buying a domain on each, lol. It's not really that complicated.

                there is no one that has been buying domains that at some point has not lost links to their site and so with it juice. IF you have lost juice then you lost real Pr regardless of whether it was enough to move the toolbar PR and real PR is all that matters - so its one of three things. You haven't been buying much, you haven't been doing it long or you are lying. I'd probably guess the first two not the last. Again niche has nothing to do with it. Its the kinds of links and the likelihood of the webmaster to remove links REGARDLESS of niche that matters.
                I have lost links and some PR points here and there, sure (over what like 3-4 updates?). Everyone has, but those losses were not huge (like PR3 to PR2 which I brought back to PR3 with a single link from another network). I never had a site go from PR3/4 to PR0 or deindexed.

                What I was addressing there was your content comment. There's no way to know why I lost those links and I really doubt that it had anything to do with my content. Site moved -> webmaster got an email or checked and removed the links. In such cases links are very unlikely to stick, even if you rebuild a page or a few.

                I haven't been buying much, maybe 80 domains total. Mostly PR3's and some PR4's here and there. I've bought some strong PR5's for my own sites, not to build a network (health niche, way into 4-figures because they all came with my main keywords in the URLs).

                I'm buying another batch of domains in September. Going to pick up a couple PR3's for fun and post the whole process (registercompass, ahrefs, majestic, seomoz, Google, privacy, transfer, auction, etc) on video for others to critique here. I'm more than happy to learn.

                I've answered this before - quantity can vanish over night and some domains with a few will last forever depending on what the links are. Frankly you must be spending through your nose if you are only going for the domains with a ton loads of links. Those go for much more and yet with some good filtering techniques and analysis you will get domains that will stand even with less links.
                I believe that PR is a logarithmic calculation, which would mean that one PR4 != some other PR4, but that's a whole other discussion. I spend what I can afford, it works well for me.

                Image Links are the worse. If you think about it a webmaster is ten times more likely to remove an image than he is to go back and reread and recheck an old article. Worse if it is a promotional/ad image. Sidebars are the next down because they tend to be sitewide so the webmaster is going to look at it even if it was placed years ago and is much likely to remove
                Sidebars - yeah. As for image links, I have a PR4 with like 40+ image links (site logo~thing) that maintained PR through 3 updates now. Image links can be anything - sidebar, in content, even avatar or a "buy" button (as you say). It, obviously, depends on the type of the link.

                Don't I know it. I have to learn and relearn. I had things in my course I suggested and earlier this year I had to reverse (thankfully wellt before the deindexings hit) but thats why I don't claim its common sense and you won't hear me saying "thats all to it" like I got it all down in a few paragraphs.
                I rushed the post without giving it too much thought. As it is your area of expertise I see how it could have offended you. I build sites and make Adsense/Affiliate monies. I don't claim that building sites and making money is common sense. Everyone can learn and everything worthwhile requires knowledge/hard work. My apologies.
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  • Profile picture of the author ngrichyj4
    Your own blog network is the best long-term back linking strategy you can have. You just have to keep it under the radar and post relevant unique content and you don't have to fear about anyone removing your links. The only minimal drawback is you'll have to invest quite a bit upfront, know how to acquire expiring high pr domains without getting scammed with 302 fake PR redirects.. Etc; But at the end in the longrun you know that saying any great doesn't come on a silver platter you gotta work for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    I have assembled multiple blog networks over the years, and currently operate a network of about 700 sites.

    Each is a real domain, on a shared hosting plan.

    The network is in fact split into multiple smaller networks to keep the hosting costs down a bit, but you are correct, it is not a cheap proposition.

    We utilise xMarkpro as the backend control and use multiple different hosts, hostgator, bluehosts, godaddy, one and one etc etc.

    Lots of different IP's.

    All unique content.

    They work very well indeed, especially if you get good randomness as mentioned previously.

    Anything else you want to know, just ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Bnetwork all sums it up already, I got nothing to add here

    There are even easier ways by finding a good broker but actually that only takes out the auction and pre-examining process with RegisterCompas. It's still highly recommendable to check the actual backlinks.

    What is one big myth btw that I believed in the beginning is that you can setup your domains in the wrong way which causes them to lose PR. Well really that's the biggest nonsense out there, yes sometimes a domain loses the PR and within a few days it's back again. So don't let people scare you.

    It's all pretty easy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

        What if, I said what if there's a sudden PR update, and all of your site lost it's PR value. What you gonna do? To tell the truth I did experience a lost of PR value after re-hosting the website. I lost about 6 domains there. Kinda costy. And I'm not sure what's the myth, but it my site certainly loose their PR value.
        PR updates happen all the time. If you choose good domains, they aren't likely to lose any PR (maybe 1 point here or there). At least that's been my experience.

        Pick one:

        1. You bought a domain with just 1 or 2 links that either got removed or disappeared.

        2. You bought a fake (I know nothing about your buying process).

        3. You didn't set up privacy.

        4. You got a domain with a bunch of links from active (as in user-activity) pages and they got pulled. Happens with blogrolls and such. Sometimes other webmasters email good link sources to tell them about broken links (and sometimes suggest their own links as a replacement lol).

        5. You bought a domain with redirected links giving PR and they got pulled (for a reason probably) or expired or w/e.

        6. Your PR came from internal pages that you ignored. If you can't figure out what pages/links give your target domains PR - just move on. There are tons of good domains up for sale.

        7. Something else you've done. Losing six is a lot, so it has to be a pretty big error on your part. PM me a few, I'll run them through majestic and ahrefs and let you know if I find anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      What is one big myth btw that I believed in the beginning is that you can setup your domains in the wrong way which causes them to lose PR. Well really that's the biggest nonsense out there, yes sometimes a domain loses the PR and within a few days it's back again. So don't let people scare you.

      It's all pretty easy.

      You must be trying to say something else Nik because thats just completely dead wrong. OF course the way you set up a site can cause it to lose PR and claiming thats a myth IS the biggest nonsense out there. Is there a way that you set up your site that can cause webmasters to remove links? Is the sky blue? All it takes is losing a few Links with PR and yes they drop. If you are talking structure and not content it still applies. MANY MANY MANY times people link to internal pages and if you don't look at the structure and duplicate those pages they end up being dead links that don't convey the PR they used to.

      I don't know what you guys are talking about but you are demonstrating EXACTLY why I say some things you just can't learn on a forum where anyone can come in with their advice even when they don't know what they are talking about.

      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

      And I'm not sure what's the myth, but it my site certainly loose their PR value.
      Lim please disregard some of these posts or you will end up losing more. Anyway guys have fun in this thread. This gocart has hit 90 going down hill and theres no brakes I can apply to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You must be trying to say something else Nik because thats just completely dead wrong. OF course the way you set up a site can cause it to lose PR and claiming thats a myth IS the biggest nonsense out there. Is there a way that you set up your site that can cause webmasters to remove links? Is the sky blue? All it takes is losing a few Links with PR and yes they drop. If you are talking structure and not content it still applies. MANY MANY MANY times people link to internal pages and if you don't look at the structure and duplicate those pages they end up being dead links that don't convey the PR they used to.

        I don't know what you guys are talking about but you are demonstrating EXACTLY why I say some things you just can't learn on a forum where anyone can come in with their advice even when they don't know what they are talking about.
        Yeah you're right. I wasn't thinking about webmasters who would remove links when the site looks different then it used to. Although I got to say I theme all my sites completely different and only 1 of them went from PR4 to PR3.

        For the people linking to internal pages there are plugins or redirects to solve that. Link juice keeper does a great job there. But yeah you do have to know about it otherwise they can lose PR.

        It has all become pretty standard to me so easy to lose the view of someone who isn't aware of such things.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Oh perhaps a little useful tip for people who want to buy purchased domains, this is from personal experience

          Try to figure out if the domain was ditched cause they wanted to change their name, I saw that many times and often in these cases the webmasters will e-mail many places where he had a link from and they change it. A good indication is just to check the old links and see if any changed. If there is 1 link that changed and pointed to a very similiar domain, then you can be pretty sure that the other links will get changed as well in the near future.

          This little thing saved me a lot of money already!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    For me, the biggest problem building a private network is how undepndable hosting companies are.

    In my experiences, less that 50% even get the set up process correct. Either they don't send you your log in info, something is broken or even nothing "happens" at all except they take your money.

    I've tried setting up a hosting exchange, where people can trade hosting, but it appears that people are too paranoid about giving someone else hosting. However, it's probably still a good idea if you know a few people with hosting that you trust.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      For me, the biggest problem building a private network is how undepndable hosting companies are.
      Can I ask what hosting companies you use? I've never had issues with hostgator, bluehost, site5, justhost, fatcow, webair, etc... of course those are all mainstream hosting providers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Can I ask what hosting companies you use? I've never had issues with hostgator, bluehost, site5, justhost, fatcow, webair, etc... of course those are all mainstream hosting providers.
        Yeah, you're fine with the big names...However, to get a good private network I wanted diversity, especially because I wanted to trade hosting with others, and they all use the big guys.

        It's been a while since I tried this and can't remember the exact hosting companies. But I'd find them using searches such as:

        "$3.95" + "hosting" + "free set up" + "paypal"

        Paypal was important because I knew I could cancel the monthly subscription without relying on the hosting company to do it.

        I have a couple of VPS, so I just wanted cheap secondary hosting to host sites with 20-50 static html pages, nothing fancy or server intensive.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yeah, you're fine with the big names...However, to get a good private network I wanted diversity, especially because I wanted to trade hosting with others, and they all use the big guys.

          It's been a while since I tried this and can't remember the exact hosting companies. But I'd find them using searches such as:

          "$3.95" + "hosting" + "free set up" + "paypal"

          Paypal was important because I knew I could cancel the monthly subscription without relying on the hosting company to do it.

          I have a couple of VPS, so I just wanted cheap secondary hosting to host sites with 20-50 static html pages, nothing fancy or server intensive.
          That makes sense. I don't like using small (and mostly unreliable) hosts for many reasons (bad uptime, slow/no support).

          You can contact some of the big hosting providers to get packages on different servers. Most of my blogs are on completely unique A/B class IP's (in the sense that B/C/D parts are different). Site5 have servers in tons of different locations as well, which helps.

          If you buy in batches and like two months apart, you should get a good spread of IP's.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yeah, you're fine with the big names...However, to get a good private network I wanted diversity, especially because I wanted to trade hosting with others, and they all use the big guys..
          You can skip the big guys easily. There are ton loads of great hosts with long solid records and you can pick them out easily at webhostingtalk. in their offers section many of them give huge discounts and many for the life of the account. The idea that small means unreliable is totally false. The only big name I use now is site5 and eleven2 for some reseller accounts and though good I've had more issues with site5 than I do some of the smaller ones due to their popularity and server load.

          All you need to do is cross check the reviews over at webhsosting talk. The forum is brutally honest and its one of the first places people run to complain about a host . IF a host has a good rep there then its solid. Over the last year, out of the 20-30, I deal with regularly I can remember only one outage with one host and it was due to a DDOS attack. Oh and quite a few of them beat the tar off of the big guys in speed because their resources are not being used by ton loads of people.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You can skip the big guys easily. There are ton loads of great hosts with long solid records and you can pick them out easily at webhostingtalk. in their offers section many of them give huge discounts and many for the life of the account. The idea that small means unreliable is totally false. The only big name I use now is site5 and eleven2 for some reseller accounts and though good I've had more issues with site5 than I do some of the smaller ones due to their popularity and server load.

            All you need to do is cross check the reviews over at webhsosting talk. The forum is brutally honest and its one of the first places people run to complain about a host is there. IF a host has a good rep there then its solid. I have been using some for over a year and out of the 20-30 I deal with regularly can remember only one outage and it was due to a DDOS attack
            Please don't tell me my own results are "totally false". You have to have a pretty big ego to tell someone their own personal experiences are false.

            I posted my method and said it didn't work. I never said "small means unreliable". You really shouldn't put words in other people's mouths.

            And I have used Webhostingtalk and had accounts with both eleven and site5. Try cancelling an account with eleven sometime and tell me they don't make you go through BS. They basically tell you have have to agree to contradictory terms. Luckily, they use Paypal so cancelling the subscription is automatic. However, their terms imply they have to accept your cancellation or you still may owe them money.

            Plus, shared hosting quality can quickly change. All you need is one person with a WP site full of load-intensive plugins to start getting traffic and it can present a problem for everyone else on the same server. In my 16 years of hosting experience, I've found many good hosts become bad over time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Please don't tell me my own results are "totally false". You have to have a pretty big ego to tell someone their own personal experiences are false.
              You got to have a bigger ego to think when multiple people said the same thing I had to be responding to you. I wasn't someone else mentioned it. Plus I stand by it. I stated the IDEA that small means unreliable is wrong. Never said anything about anyone's experience. Its a fact that is undeniable that small does not mean unreliable. Have a problem take it up with reality.

              I posted my method and said it didn't work. I never said "small means unreliable". You really shouldn't put words in other people's mouths.
              You got a chip on your shoulder. You are right you didn't but you are not the only one in this thread. try reading the posts above a response before you launch off in baseless accusations.

              Plus, shared hosting quality can quickly change. All you need is one person with a WP site full of load-intensive plugins to start getting traffic and it can present a problem for everyone else on the same server. In my 16 years of hosting experience, I've found many good hosts become bad over time.
              Any host an go bad. NO crystal balls in life but Whats it to me? Go get your hosting wherever you want and pay whatever you want. NO skin off my back that you are having problems. I wasn't recommending that you pick out hosts over webhostingtalk based on them doing well now. There are names over there that have been doing it for years. Show me anything in my last post that was not designed to help you. Instead of recognizing that you erroneously claimed I was telling you what I wasn't and gave attitude over substance.

              This is another reason why this board is going down hill and people won;t share ton loads of what they know. Its just as likely to be spat on than thanked.

              Time to get out of this gocart going 120 down hill. MA signing off. May God help those who continue cause there are a whole lot of things flying around as fact that are bogus.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You can skip the big guys easily. There are ton loads of great hosts with long solid records and you can pick them out easily at webhostingtalk. in their offers section many of them give huge discounts and many for the life of the account. The idea that small means unreliable is totally false. The only big name I use now is site5 and eleven2 for some reseller accounts and though good I've had more issues with site5 than I do some of the smaller ones due to their popularity and server load.

            All you need to do is cross check the reviews over at webhsosting talk. The forum is brutally honest and its one of the first places people run to complain about a host . IF a host has a good rep there then its solid. Over the last year, out of the 20-30, I deal with regularly I can remember only one outage with one host and it was due to a DDOS attack.
            Now that's a useful post - thank you!

            I can add that fatcow oversell and server speeds are really bad most of the time. Site5 do have downtime issues from time to time, but nothing major. Though their support is excellent.

            I've never had a good experience with small hosts/cheap deals - but I only tried a few then gave up. Completely forgot about WHT - that's where I used to get all of my VPS deals from back when I owned like 10 VPS servers for absolutely no good reason. I'll go with small hosts next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
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    what price range do these pr3's and 4's go for?
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    for those that can filter out the nonsense, this thread is an absolute goldmine
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  • Profile picture of the author ngrichyj4
    Talking about hosting, footprints etc, I actually have something in development right now

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    • Profile picture of the author ngrichyj4
      Originally Posted by ngrichyj4 View Post

      Talking about hosting, footprints etc, I actually have something in development right now

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      The product simplifies the way blogs are hosted for setting up your own true private blog networks; it help's you automatically create multiple blogs hosted in the Amazon Compute Cloud across multiple regions with Elastic IP addresses meaning multiple IP Addresses for each blog, alongside millions of other sites hosted in the cloud for example Pinterest, Instagram, Quora, Netflix etc. Will put up a demo video of the prototype later in the thread.

      You can PM me! if you're interested in a JV.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by WraithSarko View Post

    @bnetwork
    what price range do these pr3's and 4's go for?
    Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

    As low as $5, as high as $500, depending on auction price.
    Anywhere from $150 to $300. I don't pay more than $300 for a good PR4 with strong links and I only buy domains that used to host health-related websites. This means paying more than usual, you can grab PR3's and Pr4's cheaper than this. Another thing - about 80% of my domains are .com's and "brandable" - I turn them into proper health magazines/blogs/sites.

    Depending on what auction site you use, there will be additional costs involved, such as taxes (that's a big one) and transfer fees, etc. A $300 bid can easily end up costing you about $350 or more.

    Before you lot jump on me with random assumptions - I have paid less than $150 for PR3's and more than $300 for PR4's. I'm giving you my averages, that's all. When buying lots of domains you're bound to find good deals now and again.

    Another thing, and this is important, a PR3 can be a strong PR3 or a weak PR3. The algorithm isn't linear, but a lot of people claim that a PR3 is a PR3 and that's all there is to it. That's simply not true. Both linking page OBL and the # of unique linking pages matter HUGELY.
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  • Profile picture of the author aussienet12
    Interesting stuff guys, I think this is well worth any SEOs time in the long run.

    I am looking to buy a blog network or sites if anyone is selling.

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