Rank #3 Out of 108,000,000 competition in only 3 days

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I just launced a new site, EMD

Keyword 260 exact searches, and it's at #3 out of 108 MILLION pages, only 3 days.

Damn I ROCK!
#108 #competition #days #rank
  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    This is called QDF (query deserves freshness).

    It probably won't last long.

    AND if you want my advice..

    EMDs are only good if used correctly.

    A lot. LOTS AND LOTS, of time and effort goes into a successful EMD site.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
      What's the strength of your page 1 competition?

      You're migh just be feeling the love of the Google Honeymoon period. If so, they'll blow you off soon enough, and you'll fall back to where they think you should be.
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    Lol not really, 2 PR4 and 2 PR5 links are sufficient.
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  • Profile picture of the author K Mec
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I just launced a new site, EMD

    Keyword 260 exact searches, and it's at #3 out of 108 MILLION pages, only 3 days.

    Damn I ROCK!

    It is really nice to see isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by K Mec View Post

      It is really nice to see isn't it?
      It's lovely. But the keyword is totally worthless, it haven't brought me a single visitor yet. This site is more about branding, it's a questions & answers site with 15 pages that target 15 questions. I didn't even check the searches of the brand name but it turned out to be few hundred searches.

      Anyway it was not my focus to rank for it, it's about the internal pages that I need to rank so I placed 2 bookmarks at my private sites and 2 listings at my PR5 web directories.

      All the other pages that I do need to rank show up in the top 100 but no top 10 listings yet. It's kind of my new test site.
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      • Profile picture of the author K Mec
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        It's lovely. But the keyword is totally worthless, it haven't brought me a single visitor yet. This site is more about branding, it's a questions & answers site with 15 pages that target 15 questions. I didn't even check the searches of the brand name but it turned out to be few hundred searches.
        In any ways you are taking benefit of it, that is good. I have one which is driving some traffic also.
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    • Profile picture of the author noodle2005
      I'm not sure if the OP is having a pop at other peoples claims of rankings or etc or is being serious?

      Sorry if I'm not exactly alert....sleep deprived thanks to my newborn

      EDIT: I'm sure the op is just having a laugh
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by noodle2005 View Post

        I'm not sure if the OP is having a pop at other peoples claims of rankings or etc or is being serious?

        Sorry if I'm not exactly alert....sleep deprived thanks to my newborn

        EDIT: I'm sure the op is just having a laugh
        LOL glad someone gets it

        That the site ranks at #3 is a fact though so after reading the similiar threads I just couldn't leave it to post it
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        • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          LOL glad someone gets it

          That the site ranks at #3 is a fact though so after reading the similiar threads I just couldn't leave it to post it
          Oops. Sometimes it's really hard to tell who is serious and who is yanking our chain.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Elle Holder View Post

            Oops. Sometimes it's really hard to tell who is serious and who is yanking our chain.
            It also kind of shows how unimportant the amount of competing pages is.
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            • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              It also kind of shows how unimportant the amount of competing pages is.
              yeah. I mentioned that in one of the other current threads on the issue. Probably one that you were referring to earlier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
      Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

      very touch niche to rank in. Competition? 1,800,000,000
      yeah, but what's a "touch niche?" Is that in one of those niches that a nice lady like me wouldn't know anything about, and a lot of people would never think of trying to compete in?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

      This guy is a big bluff , beware. Moreover he's no where near me, i had a site registered right now 5 minutes ago , setup a wordpress blog and its ranking #1 for very touch niche to rank in. Competition? 1,800,000,000
      Amateurs. I have a site ranking for over 50,000 keywords. Look in any serp and if you see the letters "wiki" anywhere in it then thats my client's site - Sam Witwicky.

      I totally TRANSFORMED his SEO. Tore up the guy below's bots so bad he called uncle.
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  • Profile picture of the author wally247
    How many EXACT matches are you competing against?


    If 1,800,000,000 broad matches = 400 exact matches, then you know....it's not that big of deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author CourtTuttle
    The number of competing pages honestly doesn't make any difference at all. It's the strength of the competition that matters.
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    • Profile picture of the author noodle2005
      Originally Posted by CourtTuttle View Post

      The number of competing pages honestly doesn't make any difference at all. It's the strength of the competition that matters.
      The OP know this and thats the point hes clearly trying to make.

      For years, people have been waffling on about find how many competing pages there are by searching in qoutes when the reality is your competion is the 1st page of google and thats it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Suir1980
        Log out of Google, clear your cookies, use a proxy, then check again.
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        • Profile picture of the author darrenlc
          Hey Nik0. I can't wait for your to come back on and boast you moved my site up to 1st position from position 7. I'll be patiently looking out for the thread :-). Good work so far by the way.
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            Originally Posted by darrenlc View Post

            Hey Nik0. I can't wait for your to come back on and boast you moved my site up to 1st position from position 7. I'll be patiently looking out for the thread :-). Good work so far by the way.
            Nice man!

            But I never brag about client sites.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulgl
              Stuff like this makes me think if people are reading the right
              stuff on the WF.

              Any SEO "expert" worth a snail would know they are
              not "outranking" 108,000,000 sites in their competition.

              Surely you people know that, right? Yes? Hello? Earth?

              My gosh....I dunno people....you really have to look
              close at exactly what people say when claiming
              to do SEO.

              Just think. This thread ranks #6 for 108,000,000

              The competition is a staggering 445,00 websites! Holy
              cow! Who knew it would be so easy to beat 445,000
              other sites competing for this keyword! WF, you rock!

              445,000 other sites, tryin' like squirrels to rank for
              108,000,000, and the WF beats 99.9999999999999999% of 'em!

              Squirrels? Yup! That's nuts!

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        • Profile picture of the author ArcherWylde
          Originally Posted by Suir1980 View Post

          Log out of Google, clear your cookies, use a proxy, then check again.
          Just recently I was shown www.pagewash.com , which is very effective for making sure that there are no personalized results being shown.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    You know all this ranking shenanigans is pretty easy if you have exactly 3.56% keyword density for your content.
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    Congrats. Waiting on wso.
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    edus definitely. Google likes them more
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

      edus definitely. Google likes them more
      Should I blast 20,000 right away or drip 100/day for 101 days (except on Saturdays. I'm busy on Saturdays)?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Should I blast 20,000 right away or drip 100/day for 101 days (except on Saturdays. I'm busy on Saturdays)?
        You can't miss a day, it would screw your link velocity completely and make it way to unnatural. I would also vary it up a bit like day1: 98 links, day2: 102 links and so on but never go outside of the 3.6% comfort zone. Some people say you need to build more links each day but that's not true, I mean there are also only so many people born each day right? Sure the population increases but the countries we target, US, Europe have this how you say it "too many old ones" so it all evens out.
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    "Hide Personal results"

    I used to get excited until I realized.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by kellter View Post

      "Hide Personal results"

      I used to get excited until I realized.
      Oh yeah personalized, I will send an e-mail to SerpBook right away to ask if they visited my site before they checked the rankings. Who doesn't want to know how iCloud works or How to say I love you in Spanish.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Oh yeah, lets see you rank #1 for eggplant UFO horseshoe porcupine.

    I dare yea! :p
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Oh yeah, lets see you rank #1 for eggplant UFO horseshoe porcupine.

      I dare yea! :p
      Man that one has only 71,200 results, child play!
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  • Profile picture of the author Blue Sky
    This happened to me also,I was #2 but now I am ranked 360, I believe it is called the Google Dance!
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

        Thanks for the humour Sky and thanks Nik for this wonderful thread. I for one have grown addicted to this type of posts. There is always something missing until i see one like this.
        If you want to thank me then there is a Thank You button in the OP :p
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

            Cheapo :rolleyes:, you got it anyways.
            Haha, here one back, now we're even

            And that after I just made a post about how disgusting I find those wso review traders. :rolleyes:
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    Its your website’s honeymoon period get ready for change in the ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Stuart william View Post

      Its your website's honeymoon period get ready for change in the ranking.
      Oh okay, thanks for letting me know!

      Could you please tell me how long this honeymoon will last? It's been 4 days already.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Yet another wannabe thread. @ WF admin - Make this section paid for posting "Wannabe" type threads to end this 3rd degree torture. Ahhh my eyes hurts! Siggggggggggghhhhhhhh!
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  • Profile picture of the author n0tr3v3
    Bro that is too much competition for little to traffic.....

    nik0 there are far more profitable keywords with a ton of traffic under 100,000 competing websites....

    Don't waste your time like than bro.... coOL..
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  • Profile picture of the author seojedi
    108,000,000 million competing pages...I love it.

    Search: allintitle:{keyword}

    THAT'S who your real competition is (actual TITLE Inventory).

    You can put it in quotes too but without quotes is the actual TITLE Inventory you're competing against. If it's under 100,000 then nice work. 3 day old site = Honeymoon period. Check it in 6 weeks.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
      dat aint sh*t, I ranked the space in between words using one of dese wso's
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        Originally Posted by WraithSarko View Post

        dat aint sh*t, I ranked the space in between words using one of dese wso's

        ROFL . Give this man the prize for SEO of the Year. Keyword density must have rocked the house with empty space as the target.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by seojedi View Post

      108,000,000 million competing pages...I love it.

      Search: allintitle:{keyword}

      THAT'S who your real competition is (actual TITLE Inventory).

      You can put it in quotes too but without quotes is the actual TITLE Inventory you're competing against. If it's under 100,000 then nice work. 3 day old site = Honeymoon period. Check it in 6 weeks.

      Good luck.
      Oh I guess I didn't quiet understand it yet

      allintitle:without quotes
      About 87,700 results (0.22 seconds)

      allintitle:"with quotes"
      About 74,300 results (0.12 seconds)

      allinurl:without quotes
      About 46,500 results (0.20 seconds)

      allinurl:"with quotes"
      About 36,200 results (0.24 seconds)

      WOW still beating ten thousands of sites! :p

      Now let's see what the more professional tools have to say about this:

      SEOMoz 64% competition level
      SerpIQ 50% competition level

      Okay shoot me guys, 4 sites on page 1 with PA1 and 0 Linking Root Domains to that page (as expected) lol and seomoz still manages to say it's 64% competitive, what a waste of $99/month. Well not entirely true cause it's never smart to focus on just numbers. The PA percentages are very helpful to determine the true competition.

      SerpIQ is also not even coming close to the reality. If I had to give this kw a competition number I would say 5%

      So what does intitle/inurl/competing pages mean? Totally NOTHING
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      • Profile picture of the author seojedi
        allintitle:without quotes
        About 87,700 results (0.22 seconds)


        Why use it? While not the only factor to check for actual competition the allintitle search returns the actual number of pages containing your keyword AND some permutation of the keyword AND the WORDS in the keyword that are contained in the TITLE tag.

        Due to the fact that Google gives much credit to Title tag optimization it's simple to deduce that one should optimize your title tags and presumably your competition is too. It should also be assumed that if they optimized the title tag that the actual page is about the same topic mentioned in the title. Hence, it should be assumed that the page is also about the same topic you are attempting to rank for, subsequently, they are your competitor...therefore, using the title tag to identify actual competing sites is an accurate method of assessing the competing TITLE Inventory on web AKA competing sites..

        Check your SERPS in 6 weeks. Then report back.

        This may help educate newcomers: Step 2 - Competition Research

        Hope that helps.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by seojedi View Post

          allintitle:without quotes
          About 87,700 results (0.22 seconds)


          Why use it? While not the only factor to check for actual competition the allintitle search returns the actual number of pages containing your keyword AND some permutation of the keyword AND the WORDS in the keyword that are contained in the TITLE tag.

          Due to the fact that Google gives much credit to Title tag optimization it's simple to deduce that one should optimize your title tags and presumably your competition is too. It should also be assumed that if they optimized the title tag that the actual page is about the same topic mentioned in the title. Hence, it should be assumed that the page is also about the same topic you are attempting to rank for, subsequently, they are your competitor...therefore, using the title tag to identify actual competing sites is an accurate method of assessing the competing TITLE Inventory on web AKA competing sites..

          Check your SERPS in 6 weeks. Then report back.

          This may help educate newcomers: Step 2 - Competition Research

          Hope that helps.
          Theoretically your description makes a lot of sense. In practice that flyer does not go up. Allintitle Allinurl doesn't even show in the slightest sense how competitive a keyword is. It's time that you go back to the drawing board boy and practice a little more!

          Btw I didn't rank this keyword with nothing, I placed 2 PR4 homelinks and 2 listings at my private PR5 web directories, those are pretty damn strong so it's really not suprising that I end up at #3.
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    Originally Posted by seojedi View Post

    108,000,000 million competing pages...I love it.

    Search: allintitle:{keyword}

    THAT'S who your real competition is (actual TITLE Inventory).


    You can put it in quotes too but without quotes is the actual TITLE Inventory you're competing against. If it's under 100,000 then nice work. 3 day old site = Honeymoon period. Check it in 6 weeks.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pressa
    Ehum sounds quite impossible, what black hat trick is this`?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Pressa View Post

      Ehum sounds quite impossible, what black hat trick is this`?
      Buying high PR domains and placing links to my site, nothing new, nothing black hat about it. Just insane strong links.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
        nik0: this thread is spam... i.e: a promotion for your sig and you know it, almost clicked on the report button

        seojedi: you have been learning too much from the gurus. From now on do not use that useless "allintitle" stuff, "in quotes", etc. The ONLY competition is the results google returns on page 1 WITHOUT "in quotes", "in titles", etc.

        ... what users see on page 1 and what google returns in the top 10 are your only competition, period

        this section is a mess...
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

          nik0: this thread is spam... i.e: a promotion for your sig and you know it, almost clicked on the report button

          seojedi: you have been learning too much from the gurus. From now on do not use that useless "allintitle" stuff, "in quotes", etc. The ONLY competition is the results google returns on page 1 WITHOUT "in quotes", "in titles", etc.

          ... what users see on page 1 and what google returns in the top 10 are your only competition, period

          this section is a mess...
          Lol this is spam but not for my sig link, it was kind of funny when I saw 2 almost identical threads with bold claims and few days before I just launched my site and got those results so just thought it was funny to beat both of them. Gonna remove my sig links out of this thread to prove everyone wrong !

          Actually it was a bit bad publicity as I started to think oh boy, everyone will think I'm the biggest noob around here lol but gladly someone saved me in the 4th or 5th post.
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        • Profile picture of the author seojedi
          Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

          The ONLY competition is the results google returns on page 1 WITHOUT "in quotes", "in titles", etc.
          That's what I said...forgive me if it was unclear.

          Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

          ... what users see on page 1 and what google returns in the top 10 are your only competition, period
          You are correct, (somewhat) but for the purposes of this thread I was merely making the point that when attempting to assess how many pages you're actually competing against that the ALLINTITLE parameter provides a fairly accurate depiction of this number.

          To say you rank #1 while competing with 18 million other pages (if that's the "out of 18 million pages #) is false and misleading and it's used by backyard SEO's to trick clients into thinking they have skillzzzz.

          Troll or not, newcomers can learn from this thread. :-)

          Regardless of the jabs, using the allintitle, coupled with several other variables is a good quick way to get a glance at the overall title tag market for your keyword phrase.
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      • Profile picture of the author ArcherWylde
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Buying high PR domains and placing links to my site, nothing new, nothing black hat about it. Just insane strong links.
        This is actually a pretty valuable method of getting a PR pretty quickly, I wonder how many people actually paid attention to this?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by ArcherWylde View Post

          This is actually a pretty valuable method of getting a PR pretty quickly, I wonder how many people actually paid attention to this?
          I think most have no clue what high PR links even mean. Not very surprising cause people sell blog comments as high PR links, sure it's a link at a high PR page but when you have to share it with 100's or 1000's of others it's not valuable anymore. Then others manage to sell pr n/a forum profile links as being a PR9 link, so yeah what are 2 pr4 links and 2 listings at pr5 web directories really worth LOL.

          Got to say those links are not permanent, the PR5 web directories have about 20 listings right now and each week we add about 20-30 more sites. Still a 1000 times better then directories that already have 10.000's of listings obvious. And the PR4 sites are bookmark sites that receive 15 posts each month so although they do drip of there is still plenty of juice flowing through the sites. That's kind of the benefit of private domains, no one but me can post there instead of public sites that get spammed a 100.000 times a day.

          A full SenukeX campaign won't beat those 4 links in juice and when you look how long it takes to setup such campaign then those 4 links are placed just as fast manually, perhaps even faster. Sure those domains do cost a chunk of money but it's worth it as you can use it for many sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I just launced a new site, EMD

    Keyword 260 exact searches, and it's at #3 out of 108 MILLION pages, only 3 days.

    Damn I ROCK!
    Successful troll is successful.

    Loved reading all of the super serious replies here (and all the cheering). Well played Niko.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      Successful troll is successful.

      Loved reading all of the super serious replies here (and all the cheering). Well played Niko.
      The nay sayers were right, the site dropped to #5
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  • Profile picture of the author CazuaL
    Post back in a few days and let us know if your still having luck
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by CazuaL View Post

      Post back in a few days and let us know if your still having luck
      Hahahahaha, that's definitely the comment of the week!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Davis
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I just launced a new site, EMD

    Keyword 260 exact searches, and it's at #3 out of 108 MILLION pages, only 3 days.

    Damn I ROCK!
    You sir must be an SEO Genius
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan Davis View Post

      You sir must be an SEO Genius
      Yeah I'm such a genius that I just overwrote my database installation with a new site/domain LOL, damn Fatcow shared hosting!

      Now all site is gone, let's see how long the rankings last now, site dropped to #5 btw, nice for all the nay sayers that said it would be temporarily :p
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Not to sure...but 260 per month is not much at all...not sure if that was a typo though....

    -Omar
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Someone starts a thread that reads "Damn I rock", and it gets 68 responses. lol

    ....make that 69.

    ooh, 69 ....tee hee hee
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
    Just read a post where someone claimed he gets paid in six figures to rank an ultra competitive keyword with 1.7 billion results!! you should atleast get paid in 5 figures for ranking a keyword out of 100 million results. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa View Post

      Just read a post where someone claimed he gets paid in six figures to rank an ultra competitive keyword with 1.7 billion results!! you should atleast get paid in 5 figures for ranking a keyword out of 100 million results. :p
      I'll buy myself a nice present then!

      Oh wait 5 figures $12.345 that will be an expensive one, at that each month, oh gosh...
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