All I want is 1 site, is there anyone else out there with this goal, or who already achieved this?

by nest28
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All I see on the forum is talks of niche sites, and that's it, and if people talk about authority sites, they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site. The whole topic is getting boring, which niche should I choose, how to rank niche sites, how to make amazon niche sites, how to make adsense niche sites.


I don't even learn from this forum anymore, unless one of maybe about 10 senior members says something interesting. I can't believe that out of thousands I'm the only one that aspires to have just 1 site. There are those who say oh if you build one site your putting all your eggs in same basket, yea tell that to all people with dozens of sites who received the unnatural links notice.

I've been looking at sites Like IMDb - Movies, TV and Celebrities, and many others, people say don't rely on Google traffic right, well this site get's more than 3 million visitors a month that type in imbd, that's direct traffic, they could lose all their ranking and still see more traffic in a month than must of us will see in 5 yrs.

Recently I fell victim to wf mentality, I embarked on a niche site case study that I will finish because I have a couple people interested in seeing the results, even if the results turn out good I won't pursue the niche site business model any further. I've always loved the idea of having one site to promote, when people say build a brand,get repeat traffic,make fb fan page, etc, I don't feel like doing all that for some run of the mill niche site, but I will do that for something I'm passionate about.




Link building schemes wont last much longer, each G update cracks down harder than the last, everybody that's using software and building link pyramids will be wiped out in the months to come.

People say treat this as a real business, but most don't, would you as a bank to give you a loan so you could build a store front business only to do it on quick sand, cause that's what those weak links are , a quick temporary boost in the serps that wont last long. I actually remember Mike Anthony saying "people are doing negative seo to their sites by building weak links" and it's true.


This became a much longer thread than I wanted it to be but so what, compared to the other treads on wf right now, this is a better topic than those are.

I got a little off topic, but in than end, I just want to know is there anyone else who wants to be different, are their any marketers who have just one site? Frasierc's "Universe Today" is a prime of example of what you could make from 1 site, which is 20,000 a month from adsense, by getting hundreds of thousands of searches a month.

This forum needs to change,to much spam,threads with questions that a simple Google search could answer, off topic threads and my recent fav lying about your income threads. I just want to get back to actually coming here to learn, that's probably just a dream ,this thread will probably get written off as some rant by the "Ant-Marketing" guy, and end up with 2 posts, while spam threads get 3,00o views, and threads based on lies get's 30,000 views.

I also wanted suggestions on making a site that would not only attract visitors but make them addicted to coming to such a site. I was thinking of building a movie forum, much like the wf, except with movies, lately I've spent so much time on this forum and few others that I figure why not get paid to do it, combine my love for movies with my interest in forums and bam, got myself a good thing, in theory anyway, I know it's not easy to build a popular forum.

Think I need a break from this place like my man Ggpaul, looking at my posts on that guy that lies about his income thread, I went a lil overboard, if he lies and people love him for it so what , why should I care. I just been putting to much of myself on wf and not enough into my online business, but again I come here to learn more about my craft, but that hasn't been happening lately so time to leave I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    That's also what I'm aiming at nest, but right now, I'm still making a bit of money from my niche sites, and it's hard to put them down and focus on making one big site.

    I think it'll just be nicer being able to focus all your work on one project instead of a massive array of little sites. At the end of the day, a lot of people in these forums are new to IM, and for most of them here, niche sites, adsense sites, amazon sites are the best way for them to step into this business and see a little fruit from their hard work.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

      That's also what I'm aiming at nest, but right now, I'm still making a bit of money from my niche sites, and it's hard to put them down and focus on making one big site.

      I think it'll just be nicer being able to focus all your work on one project instead of a massive array of little sites. At the end of the day, a lot of people in these forums are new to IM, and for most of them here, niche sites, adsense sites, amazon sites are the best way for them to step into this business and see a little fruit from their hard work.
      I've found many of your posts to be informative, as is this one, but I always get side tracked by this voice in my head that screams out "it's clobberin time", every time I see your avatar, I'm a big kid, and love all Marvel cartoons, like fantastic four.

      Sorry about that, back to this topic. I understand that there are more newbies than experienced members, but I just don't understand how the entire forum can be taken over by useless threads, and that's not to say my threads are better, I just want to come here and read a different thread title besides the same old stuff.

      It's like turning on the 6 o'clock news, I already know what their going to say, somebody was shot,murdered, some building burned down etc. Would like to read something refreshing for once and learn something in the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The way I started my best site was without a site at all, might sound crazy but that's how my best performing site started up.

    When I first started up I didn't care about having a site, didn't give it much thought. I was steady posting all my content on the largest niche forum, didn't realize I was building a name for myself in the niche, all I cared about was sharing the files I was creating for myself on that large forum. I was creating the files for me, but the files just sat on my off-line PC growing & growing as I created more new files for personal use.

    So I had a few thousand niche forum post on a single forum, just for fun (hobby) in my spare time, next I decided that the forum was getting paid for all the content I was posting, maybe I need to get paid, plus the forum was getting unorganized because a forum thread would have maybe 1 file for every 20 comments. So I decided to organize all my files in a convenient way, that's how my website started up.

    Here's the order that my site started up:
    • Created content (files) for personal use.
    • Shared files on niche forum
    • Started up website to get organized online for other people to find my files

    While I was steady posting on the forum, I didn't realize I was building up years & years of free laser targeted traffic. Anyways, it's paid off long term.

    The reason my site has done so well is it serves two types of traffic, hobby & business. I got into the niche working off-line for one of the largest offline niche manufactures in the world, the day I learned my paid job could also be a hobby that I could do at home, I was hooked (I enjoyed my offline work, best offline job ever).

    IMO, it's not about having a site at all, it's about doing something you enjoy, my best site is a by-product of having fun, getting paid to have fun is a bonus.

    The question is "Are you having fun?".
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      The way I started my best site was without a site at all, might sound crazy but that's how my best performing site started up.

      When I first started up I didn't care about having a site, didn't give it much thought. I was steady posting all my content on the largest niche forum, didn't realize I was building a name for myself in the niche, all I cared about was sharing the files I was creating for myself on that large forum. I was creating the files for me, but the files just sat on my off-line PC growing & growing as I created more new files for personal use.

      So I had a few thousand niche forum post on a single forum, just for fun (hobby) in my spare time, next I decided that the forum was getting paid for all the content I was posting, maybe I need to get paid, plus the forum was getting unorganized because a forum thread would have maybe 1 file for every 20 comments. So I decided to organize all my files in a convenient way, that's how my website started up.

      Here's the order that my site started up:
      • Created content (files) for personal use.
      • Shared files on niche forum
      • Started up website to get organized online for other people to find my files

      While I was steady posting on the forum, I didn't realize I was building up years & years of free laser targeted traffic. Anyways, it's paid off long term.

      The reason my site has done so well is it serves two types of traffic, hobby & business. I got into the niche working off-line for one of the largest offline niche manufactures in the world, the day I learned my paid job could also be a hobby that I could do at home, I was hooked (I enjoyed my offline work, best offline job ever).

      IMO, it's not about having a site at all, it's about doing something you enjoy, my best site is a by-product of having fun, getting paid to have fun is a bonus.

      The question is "Are you having fun?".
      This is exactly what I'm aiming for , having a site that I love, a site where it's fun to make content, not work. As marketers I think we get way to caught up in ranking keyword, and backlinks. Talks of making sites based on personal interest are almost nonexistent, everything revolves around keywords.

      Paulgl has said many times to write naturally, to have a site based on your own interests and the traffic will come, along with money.

      Here is what I have planned so so far:

      1. Build a community based site, where there is a forum embedded like I did with my old sites.

      2. Make all content interactive, with built in polls, sorry I haven't thought this part out much more than having polls lol. It's a start.

      3. Make a site that's fun.

      4. If I could I would build a site that as the ability, to have members, with profiles, and stats, but I guess the forum part should be enough for that.

      You get the idea.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        This is exactly what I'm aiming for , having a site that I love, a site where it's fun to make content, not work. As marketers I think we get way to caught up in ranking keyword, and backlinks. Talks of making sites based on personal interest are almost nonexistent, everything revolves around keywords.

        Paulgl has said many times to write naturally, to have a site based on your own interests and the traffic will come, along with money.

        Here is what I have planned so so far:

        1. Build a community based site, where there is a forum embedded like I did with my old sites.

        2. Make all content interactive, with built in polls, sorry I haven't thought this part out much more than having polls lol. It's a start.

        3. Make a site that's fun.

        4. If I could I would build a site that as the ability, to have members, with profiles, and stats, but I guess the forum part should be enough for that.

        You get the idea.
        I still target plenty of keywords, but the SERPs wouldn't break my site If SERP traffic dried up, traffic would go down by maybe 40-50% & sure it would suck, but I would still have decent traffic from other sources, mostly niche forums & niche blogs that I don't own.

        If you can create a site that has user submitted content (forums or public domain content) & a niche you enjoy, you should be good to go.

        My advice is hang out on the largest forum for the entire niche, then break off into a sub-niche for whatever it is in the main niche you have the most interest.

        Example:

        If the largest main niche forum is targeting all muscle cars (ex: camaro, mustang, etc...) then startup a sub-niche site or forum about a single sub-category on the main forum like Mustang cars.

        This way you can generate a lot of traffic from the largest main forum in that niche.

        The muscle car niche is only an example, it applies to everything that people want, need, or do online & offline. People on forums are looking for other people that have the same interest as they do. Back to the muscle car example. The Mustang guys would rather have a dedicated site/forum that they can hang out on instead of sharing a huge site with the guys interested in Camaro's (Camaro's are awesome BTW).

        The deeper you get into a niche the less traffic you will have, but at the same time your picking up laser targeted traffic for the sub-niche (no Camaro guys on the Mustang site/forum (laser targeted traffic)).

        Just like Warrior Forum, I rarely go outside of the SEO sub-forum, I'm mostly interested in SEO compared to the rest of the IM stuff that's in the other sub-forums.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I still target plenty of keywords, but the SERPs wouldn't break my site If SERP traffic dried up, traffic would go down by maybe 40-50% & sure it would suck, but I would still have decent traffic from other sources, mostly niche forums & niche blogs that I don't own.

          If you can create a site that has user submitted content (forums or public domain content) & a niche you enjoy, you should be good to go.

          My advice is hang out on the largest forum for the entire niche, then break off into a sub-niche for whatever it is in the main niche you have the most interest.

          Example:

          If the largest main niche forum is targeting all muscle cars (ex: camaro, mustang, etc...) then startup a sub-niche site or forum about a single sub-category on the main forum like Mustang cars.

          This way you can generate a lot of traffic from the largest main forum in that niche.

          The muscle car niche is only an example, it applies to everything that people want, need, or do online & offline. People on forums are looking for other people that have the same interest as they do. Back to the muscle car example. The Mustang guys would rather have a dedicated site/forum that they can hang out on instead of sharing a huge site with the guys interested in Camaro's (Camaro's are awesome BTW).

          The deeper you get into a niche the less traffic you will have, but at the same time your picking up laser targeted traffic for the sub-niche (no Camaro guys on the Mustang site/forum (laser targeted traffic)).

          Just like Warrior Forum, I rarely go outside of the SEO sub-forum, I'm mostly interested in SEO compared to the rest of the IM stuff that's in the other sub-forums.
          You know what's funny, I just had half hour convo with my gf, than I came on warrior forum and she was like that guy Yukon just said the same thing as you.
          I was telling her how I wanted to make a site with a forum on it, but that I didn't know if it would be as popular as a stand alone forum. So I check out one of my favorites sites, LetMeWatchThis | 1Channel - Watch Movies Online Free - Just Added, there stat counter says they get more than 1 million visits a day, so I was curious as to how much of that traffic goes to the forum, after checking it seem as if a very low amount went to the forum. Out of 30 million visitors a month the forum only had a total of 300,000 posts.

          I'll still incorporate a forum on to my site, as you said I'm big on user generated content, I mean look at the warrior forum. we help expand there site every day, they don't have to write anything or pay for content, that's what kind of site I want, half the content from me, and the rest user generated. I want this site to be as social as possible. I'll pm you with my ideas if you don't mind. Oh and your right about the Camaro, I was just tell ggpaul on fb how I wanted a all black Camaro, asap, or as my gf calls it bumble bee, because of transformers lol.

          I'll talk to you guys later.
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      • Profile picture of the author DeskCoder
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        This is exactly what I'm aiming for , having a site that I love, a site where it's fun to make content, not work. As marketers I think we get way to caught up in ranking keyword, and backlinks. Talks of making sites based on personal interest are almost nonexistent, everything revolves around keywords.

        Paulgl has said many times to write naturally, to have a site based on your own interests and the traffic will come, along with money.

        Here is what I have planned so so far:

        1. Build a community based site, where there is a forum embedded like I did with my old sites.

        2. Make all content interactive, with built in polls, sorry I haven't thought this part out much more than having polls lol. It's a start.

        3. Make a site that's fun.

        4. If I could I would build a site that as the ability, to have members, with profiles, and stats, but I guess the forum part should be enough for that.

        You get the idea.
        If you can, try to gamify your site. Take a look at StackOverflow and the StackExchange network. They built rep points, badges, and fun ways to get recognized for the contributing and using the site.

        Heck, even most forums have some way of given rep and thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
    When I started my site way back in 2002, I came across some advice about websites: "Make it sticky." Make people want to come back, make people want to bookmark it -- well, bookmarking was important back in those days! There was no social media. :-)

    That advice hasn't done me wrong, and still holds true. The site has grown over the years. I strayed a bit a few years ago because of the WF, and tried to build another site or two -- but it just didn't make sense to me. I focused on the one site. Personally, I wouldn't do it any other way.

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    Sorry, just a few more thoughts. Branding. Branding is so important.

    Make something you'll be proud of; proud to show to others. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Pat flynn and his security site is the best example. You don't have to be passionate in the niche you can be passionate about helping people and his site helps people. Take a look at his latest income report for an insight of what he has planned for that particular sit
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
    Well to be honest not trying to self advertise my product, but hey most WF goes for micro niche sites, and really little people out there trying to look what's on my thread while I'm offering something differ. Basically if everyone is talking about micro niche sites, I'm like lol. No competition, nobody knows what am I doing, how I build and rank my sites, no one knows. I would love to heard more of the mns, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

      Well to be honest not trying to self advertise my product, but hey most WF goes for micro niche sites, and really little people out there trying to look what's on my thread while I'm offering something differ. Basically if everyone is talking about micro niche sites, I'm like lol. No competition, nobody knows what am I doing, how I build and rank my sites, no one knows. I would love to heard more of the mns, lol.
      What did I just read? That went right over my head

      Edit: it's clobberin time!
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    It seems that you got seriously overhelmed by too many things at once. With this said you probably need to take a break away from forums and online world for a bit. Wasting your time and resources on too many things at once will lead to nothing (personal experience) , take a break , do something fun (non IM related) , think , and work out on a single idea and focus on it.
    You'll probably be back in few days/weeks smarter than before and more focused. But the worst thing you can do is starting to do too much things at once and don't finish even one of this. Take one thing , fail but take it to the end , you will learn something for sure, jumping from an idea to another , to another and to another again is a waste of time.

    Also keep in mind that passing your time on forums may teach you something but no one is going to share the secret formula on how to become rich in 3 days , first of all because it doesn't exist , and even if it does those people would have enjoying their super easy money around the world instead wasting their time on forums or selling crap for 4-5 bucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      It seems that you got seriously overhelmed by too many things at once. With this said you probably need to take a break away from forums and online world for a bit. Wasting your time and resources on too many things at once will lead to nothing (personal experience) , take a break , do something fun (non IM related) , think , and work out on a single idea and focus on it.
      You'll probably be back in few days/weeks smarter than before and more focused. But the worst thing you can do is starting to do too much things at once and don't finish even one of this. Take one thing , fail but take it to the end , you will learn something for sure, jumping from an idea to another , to another and to another again is a waste of time.

      Also keep in mind that passing your time on forums may teach you something but no one is going to share the secret formula on how to become rich in 3 days , first of all because it doesn't exist , and even if it does those people would have enjoying their super easy money around the world instead wasting their time on forums or selling crap for 4-5 bucks.
      I was just thinking I need a break from IM, and the WF. I been so focused on online business I sometimes forget to go outside and enjoy life. I haven't seen tv in like 5 days or something lol. The info that I desire can't be found here. It feels good to actually think about making a site that I love, without worrying about backlinks, ranking, G updates etc. Fraiserc's thread, "rankings are trap, focus on traffic" makes perfect sense now.

      People focus on ranking to get traffic , instead of just cutting out the middle man and just generate traffic.I have a lot of ideas for this site, and I checked around and nobody has done anything close to what I want to do, which is great.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Yukon if that's true then he needs to be called out. I still think its a good example. Starting with basic content and adding functionality to make it different from other sites.

    If what you say is true, I tend to believe it is from hackers then what he did to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Im not a pat fan boy. I just mentioned the site because its a public example of taking your content to the next level. Had no idea about the redirects but I believe he mentioned something about being hacked. Again, not defending him. I just doubt that its his doing.

    Thanks for pointing it out. Interested to see if he addresses it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArcherWylde
    People always say, "Do what you love and the money will follow".

    I can certainly appreciate your outlook on wanting to have just one site to promote, monetize and update.

    I dont blame you, ultimately I would love to have that "one site" as well. I just haven't come up with a creative enough idea as of yet.

    Once I have one of those "ah hah!" moments I may go that way.

    Personally for me, I like building out multiple sites because it's like a personal conquest every time I do.

    I think the hunt for a profitable niche is much more exciting and interesting to me than actually building out the sites

    We all have different mindsets and different personalities, if everyone was the same the world would be a boring place.

    Thanks for the awesome right up!
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    "they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site."

    What complete nonsense! You have not read closely enough I'm afraid.

    If you have 1000 posts but no site yet then you need to step away from forums completely and get some focus back.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      "they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site."

      What complete nonsense! You have not read closely enough I'm afraid.

      If you have 1000 posts but no site yet then you need to step away from forums completely and get some focus back.
      What does my post count have to do with the topic in the op?

      I've had site before, I have a few now, I'm simply tired of doing the same thing as everybody else. As far as this line goes "they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site" it's the truth, if you make a 100 page site instead of a 5 page site how does that make you an authority sites, especially when compared to the likes of Wikipedia or any real authority site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      What complete nonsense! You have not read closely enough I'm afraid.

      If you have 1000 posts but no site yet then you need to step away from forums completely and get some focus back.

      Speaking of nonsense and not being able to read closely if you read more and mis-sniped less you would have known that Nest has had multiple sites and even put them out there for people to learn from while other people have been here years and put up nothing of substance.

      In other words put back the safety on the gun if you don't know where or how to fire it.

      as for posts he is just more efficient. More thanks in less than half the tries

      Whats to get uptight about with his post anyway? Its a fact. most here go for making multiple nonsense sites while the better strategy is to build fewer or one site that makes you money while you are working and then can turn around and be sold when you retire.

      and yeah lots of people think an authority site is just a niche site with a hundred pages (some even PLR) so the criticism misses on every possible front.
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    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    All I see on the forum is talks of niche sites, and that's it, and if people talk about authority sites, they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site. The whole topic is getting boring, which niche should I choose, how to rank niche sites, how to make amazon niche sites, how to make adsense niche sites.


    I don't even learn from this forum anymore, unless one of maybe about 10 senior members says something interesting. I can't believe that out of thousands I'm the only one that aspires to have just 1 site. There are those who say oh if you build one site your putting all your eggs in same basket, yea tell that to all people with dozens of sites who received the unnatural links notice.

    I've been looking at sites Like IMDb - Movies, TV and Celebrities, and many others, people say don't rely on Google traffic right, well this site get's more than 3 million visitors a month that type in imbd, that's direct traffic, they could lose all their ranking and still see more traffic in a month than must of us will see in 5 yrs.

    Recently I fell victim to wf mentality, I embarked on a niche site case study that I will finish because I have a couple people interested in seeing the results, even if the results turn out good I won't pursue the niche site business model any further. I've always loved the idea of having one site to promote, when people say build a brand,get repeat traffic,make fb fan page, etc, I don't feel like doing all that for some run of the mill niche site, but I will do that for something I'm passionate about.


    My online income will most likely remain at 0, for longer than I thought as a result of wanting to build one large site, these kind of sites time a lot of time to mature, and I don't mind waiting. I'm sick and tired of trying to make money online by building the same sites as everybody else and using the same methods and software.


    Link building schemes wont last much longer, each G update cracks down harder than the last, everybody that's using software and building link pyramids will be wiped out in the months to come.

    People say treat this as a real business, but most don't, would you as a bank to give you a loan so you could build a store front business only to do it on quick sand, cause that's what those weak links are , a quick temporary boost in the serps that wont last long. I actually remember Mike Anthony saying "people are doing negative seo to their sites by building weak links" and it's true.


    This became a much longer thread than I wanted it to be but so what, compared to the other treads on wf right now, this is a better topic than those are.

    I got a little off topic, but in than end, I just want to know is there anyone else who wants to be different, are their any marketers who have just one site? Frasierc's "Universe Today" is a prime of example of what you could make from 1 site, which is 20,000 a month from adsense, by getting hundreds of thousands of searches a month.

    This forum needs to change,to much spam,threads with questions that a simple Google search could answer, off topic threads and my recent fav lying about your income threads. I just want to get back to actually coming here to learn, that's probably just a dream ,this thread will probably get written off as some rant by the "Ant-Marketing" guy, and end up with 2 posts, while spam threads get 3,00o views, and threads based on lies get's 30,000 views.

    I also wanted suggestions on making a site that would not only attract visitors but make them addicted to coming to such a site. I was thinking of building a movie forum, much like the wf, except with movies, lately I've spent so much time on this forum and few others that I figure why not get paid to do it, combine my love for movies with my interest in forums and bam, got myself a good thing, in theory anyway, I know it's not easy to build a popular forum.

    Think I need a break from this place like my man Ggpaul, looking at my posts on that guy that lies about his income thread, I went a lil overboard, if he lies and people love him for it so what , why should I care. I just been putting to much of myself on wf and not enough into my online business, but again I come here to learn more about my craft, but that hasn't been happening lately so time to leave I guess.
    If you had a blog with 1000 posts on it, you would be making money by now. I do not visit this forum much anymore for the reasons you describe. Most posts are of no value. I have been working on IM for about 6 years and finally think I have "the answer". I wasted 6 years and lots of money on forum crap. If I had of just stuck with a blog for 6 years, I would be retired by now.

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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      If you had a blog with 1000 posts on it, you would be making money by now. I do not visit this forum much anymore for the reasons you describe. Most posts are of no value. I have been working on IM for about 6 years and finally think I have "the answer". I wasted 6 years and lots of money on forum crap. If I had of just stuck with a blog for 6 years, I would be retired by now.

      Nest28, PM me and we can share our knowledge and move forward.
      There's a reason I don't have a blog with a 1,000 posts on it, my writing sucks, I've tried many times to write articles but my thought s never come out right, and I don't want to have a crappy site full of bad articles written by me.


      I want to say something about my post count for a second since people seem to be concerned with it. First of all my post count went way up for 2 reasons, 1 I made a few popular threads about my long tail with adsense methods and ended answering a lot of question which made my post count go up, 2 I come here the same reason most people visit facebook, to interact with other people, it's the whole point of having a forum in the first place.


      I don't have to mention that I'm not making money online right now, honestly it's nobody's business, I say that so people know exactly who their following, I don't want some newbie to take my advice thinking I make 5,000 a month simply because I have 1,000 posts.

      Why people question my post count is crazy, that's off topic, also saying I should have a site, if I have a thousands post is also nonsense. I'm at a place where I'm trying to see where I want to go with my IM career, it would be easy to make a bunch of sites and make money, I'm taking the advice of a guy I look up, who said "make a site that you can see yourself working on for the next year, or the next 10 years" and since I can't see myself working on the run of the mill niche sites for the next 10 years I'm taking a break to think long and hard about what it is I want to do.

      If people feel like they don't want to listen to me because my post count has passed 1,000 and I'm not making money online so be it, no skin off my back.

      I'm doing what's best for me, the next site I make will be the last site I'll ever make, how many of you can say that with confidence. The type of people that invented Wikipedia, Myspace , Facebook, Twitter , etc didn't think oh let me make a bunch of niche sites, they had bigger dreams, now I'm not saying I'm going to make the next fb, but I do want to make a site that means something to me and the visitors.

      People coming at me, but your the ones making sites just to get a click, or a couple sells, where will that lead you 5 yrs from now, when all link building schemes are gone and only truly useful sites exist.

      I'm getting response as if I can't post anything anymore without making money or having a site, when there are plenty of people on this forum right now with 10,20,30 sites who aren't making a dime, or others who have thousands of posts but not sites because they offer a service.

      I'm stand up guy, I speak from my heart, I've been honest with everyone on here about my sites, methods and earnings and now you say oh your post count is high but your not making money so get off the forum.


      I understand that some meant to get off of here to get my business up and running and to those people I thank you for the good advice.

      Edit: Moneymoguls this is not directed at you. Oh and another thing, it's funny how when I was making money people lined up for my advice, now I guess that same advice is useless huh, but if I come back 6 months from now and I'm making 5 grand a month everybody will be asking how I did it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        There's a reason I don't have a blog with a 1,000 posts on it, my writing sucks, I've tried many times to write articles but my thought s never come out right, and I don't want to have a crappy site full of bad articles written by me.

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        You tell yourself you can't write, but this post says you can. When you build the site you have that passion for, the writing will come a lot easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
    Nest28,
    I agree with you 100%, however, i'm leaning to both long term (sites like fb) and short term(niche and authority sites) goals. Long term for me is money down the road. On the other hand, Niche and Authority Sites are good money for now before god knows when it will dry up.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    Well, there are a lot of beginners out there and so these topics will be discussed ad infinitum. I believe in trying and failing. For that reason the niche site model is good - you set up a few sites to get your feet wet and learn about things. I believe it's better to do that than spend months on one site and potentially mess up by doing some blackhat SEO method by accident. It's difficult to just 'let go' of a site that has thousands of articles...
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I want to say thank you to those that left good advice, I've decided to write the content for my next site this way I can really say this is my site, on a topic I love. As far as niche sites are concerned I don't personally have anything against them, there just not for me.

    People say don't build just one site because something bad might happen, but something bad could happen even if I had 20 sites, actually I had 15 sites that all received a unnatural links notice . I'm going to write naturally without worrying about ranking for certain keywords or building links, spam links anyway, maybe I'll buy some high pr links. Having one site has always been my goal, it's just something I feel strongly about.

    The Warrior Forum is not what it use to be, there are way to many useless threads, and I don't much like this new crowd of marketers that seem to have crept their way in here. So I'm pretty much done here. I've been able to make a handful friends like Mike Anthony and Ggpaul , and their all I need as far as I'm concerned. Ten real truthful friends with the same interests is all you really need anyways, not a forum full of spam,liars ,WSOs, fake guru's etc.

    I wish you all the best, thank you for all of the positive things you guys did to make me a better, smarter, marketer.
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      Originally Posted by netightman View Post

      Success is not an event. It’s a journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    There is no right way.
    What might work for you and you find lucrative dosent appeal to someone else.
    I perdonally believe in diversifying, spreading the properties, ways & tactics . Ofcourse after the point you actually know what you are doing.
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      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      There is no right way.
      What might work for you and you find lucrative dosent appeal to someone else.
      I perdonally believe in diversifying, spreading the properties, ways & tactics . Ofcourse after the point you actually know what you are doing.
      This thread is mostly about having one site and that's it, can you make money from multiple niche sites? yes, should you make a bunch of crap niche sites to make a quick buck? no.

      I believe there is a right and wrong way to go about building a business online, finding which method works for you is not a matter of right or wrong, but rather preference.

      Some marketers have SEO services, some build sites, you have black hat guys that do E-whoring lol, it's all up to you. When I first got into IM and didn't know any better I tried the whole E-whoring thing, for a couple days, I made 107.00 in one day without even doing anything other than making a profile on a social site and telling people in order to see more of me visit (affiliate link), I never even interacted with anyone, now can I see myself earning money from a job title such as "E-whore" hell no.
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  • Profile picture of the author lucasbowen
    Hey nest28,

    I know this comment is already 3 weeks in and it's not that I'm lazy commenting on WF (per se) but..... I'm a bit of a newbie here. I'm working my way up from July 1st to todate to learn/catch-up/see what's brewing and in that process I've come to conclude two things so far:

    1. WF is full of repetitive content. Posters seem to ask the same few questions on and on and on. As someone wrote in August (sometime): Read before you post please!
    2. Whenever I see a comment by you or Yukon - I read it.

    And now I just saw this and decided it's time to write - for once!

    Thank you Nest28 for being honest and making this awesome post. To copy SShip - I know how you feel! Why is that..... well.

    In Jan 2010 I was laid of. 25 years of service and bam. Now I'm in my fourties, I have a wife and a teenage daughter, live in Singapore far far away from my country of birth. So I had two options. Get a job here (in Singapore) or head back to Denmark (where I'm from) and leave my beloved Singapore where I've stayed 16 years. I chose to fight to stay. Within a month, I had a new job and I'm still here! Great. Now what has this to do with having 1 site ??? Everything.

    In the process of searching for a job I knew that I had to stay sane and get my mind off the search process. So I decided to write about my experience. The outcome was a 55 page job search manual that I made in PDF and never tried to publish in book form. But I began to share it with friends, relatives etc. and got great feedback. So one thing lead to another and I made a site that was basically 55 pages/posts, converting the PDF to html.

    I knew nothing about SEO. So I took on the challenge and began studying. Info from all over the place (but not WF at that point). I learnt the basics and jumped straight into the usual spamming with wheels, pyramids, blasts etc. Bought many fiverr's, even traffic from Adfly. And it was going great. Until 6 months in when my root domain tanked from #5 to nowhereland. I gave up after trying to recover. I started a new domain, moved everything across and it now sits there getting a few hundred hits a month. I do nothing with it and earn less than $5 on adsense.

    But that is because I decided to do exactly what you are focusing on. I wanted to start a fresh. I wanted to built the worlds best job, career and education site. If it takes me 10 years, so be it. They say that if nobody laughs at your dreams it's because they are not big enough. I hear people laughing.

    Point in case, I did consider building 20 affiliate/amazon sites on juicers, TV's, appilators, handbags etc. and then aim at 20x$100 a month. That would be nice but would I love it. Hell no! Currently I love what I do. It's a hobby, it's a passion and I'm just making baby steps progress, but I'm going the right way from 10 hits per day in the first months to 50 per day in the 4th to ???????

    My basic notion is to focus 90% on content and 10% on SEO. I am doing backlinking, until my fingers turn blue sometimes and I do buy the few quality fiverrs at times but I swear by being manual in all aspects and focus on what the SE's want - content rather than SEO overoptimization.

    Going forward I want to outsources the tech stuff - minor focus on BL's etc. and put my focus on delivering value - 110%. I know it's paying off in that my bounce is going down and my returning visitors are now at 25% and going up. To me, it sounds right.

    From an SEO perspective it's also going well. When I post new material I do nothing with it to get it indexed. On average I see new posts indexed within 30 min, with no pinging etc. Similarly I'm beginning to rank for KWs where I don't do any BL's, and these are not always very very low competition ones!

    My dream? - whether you call it authority or not, (and now you may laugh!), I hope to be the feeder to one of the big sites on the same niche. I hope to make a difference though quality and feedback and through that, get noticed.

    And you know what - I'm just an ordinary sales manager. I know nothing about human resources other than through education and practical application but with a very very huge focus on research, you can master anything.

    My advise to you is to step back, regroup and focus on what your passion is. If that is movies - go with that. Your passion will drive your determination and your success!

    Sorry for ranting - just wanted to share with you nest28 that I really do like your post and all the excellent contribution you have made to WF so far. Don't leave us, but balance your time :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by lucasbowen View Post

      Hey nest28,

      I know this comment is already 3 weeks in and it's not that I'm lazy commenting on WF (per se) but..... I'm a bit of a newbie here. I'm working my way up from July 1st to todate to learn/catch-up/see what's brewing and in that process I've come to conclude two things so far:

      1. WF is full of repetitive content. Posters seem to ask the same few questions on and on and on. As someone wrote in August (sometime): Read before you post please!
      2. Whenever I see a comment by you or Yukon - I read it.

      And now I just saw this and decided it's time to write - for once!

      Thank you Nest28 for being honest and making this awesome post. To copy SShip - I know how you feel! Why is that..... well.

      In Jan 2010 I was laid of. 25 years of service and bam. Now I'm in my fourties, I have a wife and a teenage daughter, live in Singapore far far away from my country of birth. So I had two options. Get a job here (in Singapore) or head back to Denmark (where I'm from) and leave my beloved Singapore where I've stayed 16 years. I chose to fight to stay. Within a month, I had a new job and I'm still here! Great. Now what has this to do with having 1 site ??? Everything.

      In the process of searching for a job I knew that I had to stay sane and get my mind off the search process. So I decided to write about my experience. The outcome was a 55 page job search manual that I made in PDF and never tried to publish in book form. But I began to share it with friends, relatives etc. and got great feedback. So one thing lead to another and I made a site that was basically 55 pages/posts, converting the PDF to html.

      I knew nothing about SEO. So I took on the challenge and began studying. Info from all over the place (but not WF at that point). I learnt the basics and jumped straight into the usual spamming with wheels, pyramids, blasts etc. Bought many fiverr's, even traffic from Adfly. And it was going great. Until 6 months in when my root domain tanked from #5 to nowhereland. I gave up after trying to recover. I started a new domain, moved everything across and it now sits there getting a few hundred hits a month. I do nothing with it and earn less than $5 on adsense.

      But that is because I decided to do exactly what you are focusing on. I wanted to start a fresh. I wanted to built the worlds best job, career and education site. If it takes me 10 years, so be it. They say that if nobody laughs at your dreams it's because they are not big enough. I hear people laughing.

      Point in case, I did consider building 20 affiliate/amazon sites on juicers, TV's, appilators, handbags etc. and then aim at 20x$100 a month. That would be nice but would I love it. Hell no! Currently I love what I do. It's a hobby, it's a passion and I'm just making baby steps progress, but I'm going the right way from 10 hits per day in the first months to 50 per day in the 4th to ???????

      My basic notion is to focus 90% on content and 10% on SEO. I am doing backlinking, until my fingers turn blue sometimes and I do buy the few quality fiverrs at times but I swear by being manual in all aspects and focus on what the SE's want - content rather than SEO overoptimization.

      Going forward I want to outsources the tech stuff - minor focus on BL's etc. and put my focus on delivering value - 110%. I know it's paying off in that my bounce is going down and my returning visitors are now at 25% and going up. To me, it sounds right.

      From an SEO perspective it's also going well. When I post new material I do nothing with it to get it indexed. On average I see new posts indexed within 30 min, with no pinging etc. Similarly I'm beginning to rank for KWs where I don't do any BL's, and these are not always very very low competition ones!

      My dream? - whether you call it authority or not, (and now you may laugh!), I hope to be the feeder to one of the big sites on the same niche. I hope to make a difference though quality and feedback and through that, get noticed.

      And you know what - I'm just an ordinary sales manager. I know nothing about human resources other than through education and practical application but with a very very huge focus on research, you can master anything.

      My advise to you is to step back, regroup and focus on what your passion is. If that is movies - go with that. Your passion will drive your determination and your success!

      Sorry for ranting - just wanted to share with you nest28 that I really do like your post and all the excellent contribution you have made to WF so far. Don't leave us, but balance your time :-)

      Cheers,
      I'm pretty much done here, but you left such a detailed post I had to comment. I think your defiantly heading in the right direction, chill on those fiverr gigs though. I wish you all the best man good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Hey nest, if you're looking to go with one site then I think you should check out Rusty Moore's fitness mastermind group.

    He was one of my mentors when I first started and his personal blog gets well over a million visitors a year and he teaches a lot of valuable information for free. He teaches people how to reach multiple 6 figure incomes from ONE site.

    He takes a healthy and holistic approach to marketing his blog that even includes satellite sites (what people here call niche sites) and plenty of social media. You could learn a lot from him and just adapt it to your own niche.

    If you want to check it out you can head on over to fitnessblogtraining.com
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamomeo
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    All I see on the forum is talks of niche sites, and that's it, and if people talk about authority sites, they think by simply making a larger than normal niche site, that it will some how make it a authority site. The whole topic is getting boring, which niche should I choose, how to rank niche sites, how to make amazon niche sites, how to make adsense niche sites.


    I don't even learn from this forum anymore, unless one of maybe about 10 senior members says something interesting. I can't believe that out of thousands I'm the only one that aspires to have just 1 site. There are those who say oh if you build one site your putting all your eggs in same basket, yea tell that to all people with dozens of sites who received the unnatural links notice.

    I've been looking at sites Like IMDb - Movies, TV and Celebrities, and many others, people say don't rely on Google traffic right, well this site get's more than 3 million visitors a month that type in imbd, that's direct traffic, they could lose all their ranking and still see more traffic in a month than must of us will see in 5 yrs.

    Recently I fell victim to wf mentality, I embarked on a niche site case study that I will finish because I have a couple people interested in seeing the results, even if the results turn out good I won't pursue the niche site business model any further. I've always loved the idea of having one site to promote, when people say build a brand,get repeat traffic,make fb fan page, etc, I don't feel like doing all that for some run of the mill niche site, but I will do that for something I'm passionate about.


    My online income will most likely remain at 0, for longer than I thought as a result of wanting to build one large site, these kind of sites time a lot of time to mature, and I don't mind waiting. I'm sick and tired of trying to make money online by building the same sites as everybody else and using the same methods and software.


    Link building schemes wont last much longer, each G update cracks down harder than the last, everybody that's using software and building link pyramids will be wiped out in the months to come.

    People say treat this as a real business, but most don't, would you as a bank to give you a loan so you could build a store front business only to do it on quick sand, cause that's what those weak links are , a quick temporary boost in the serps that wont last long. I actually remember Mike Anthony saying "people are doing negative seo to their sites by building weak links" and it's true.


    This became a much longer thread than I wanted it to be but so what, compared to the other treads on wf right now, this is a better topic than those are.

    I got a little off topic, but in than end, I just want to know is there anyone else who wants to be different, are their any marketers who have just one site? Frasierc's "Universe Today" is a prime of example of what you could make from 1 site, which is 20,000 a month from adsense, by getting hundreds of thousands of searches a month.

    This forum needs to change,to much spam,threads with questions that a simple Google search could answer, off topic threads and my recent fav lying about your income threads. I just want to get back to actually coming here to learn, that's probably just a dream ,this thread will probably get written off as some rant by the "Ant-Marketing" guy, and end up with 2 posts, while spam threads get 3,00o views, and threads based on lies get's 30,000 views.

    I also wanted suggestions on making a site that would not only attract visitors but make them addicted to coming to such a site. I was thinking of building a movie forum, much like the wf, except with movies, lately I've spent so much time on this forum and few others that I figure why not get paid to do it, combine my love for movies with my interest in forums and bam, got myself a good thing, in theory anyway, I know it's not easy to build a popular forum.

    Think I need a break from this place like my man Ggpaul, looking at my posts on that guy that lies about his income thread, I went a lil overboard, if he lies and people love him for it so what , why should I care. I just been putting to much of myself on wf and not enough into my online business, but again I come here to learn more about my craft, but that hasn't been happening lately so time to leave I guess.
    I also Like IMDB and this site have 5m monthly user now i think nice site but can not provide video on latest episodes that why i use other sites now like Watch Tv Shows - Latest Tvshows Episodes Online - seriesgate | Sidereel | 1channel |solarmovie
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      Originally Posted by dreamomeo View Post

      I also Like IMDB and this site have 5m monthly user now i think nice site but can not provide video on latest episodes that why i use other sites now like Watch Tv Shows - Latest Tvshows Episodes Online - seriesgate | Sidereel | 1channel |solarmovie
      I love 1 channel lol, if anybody ever on there holla at ya boi, my profile.

      My goal is to build a website/business from the ground up that get's direct traffic. Adsense and Amazon are cool, but I want to create my own products/services. I kinda lost my way for a while but I'm back on track, you can expect to see some great things coming from anti-marketers.com soon.


      Direct traffic is the way to go, but in order to get it, you must provide value, something that a lot of marketers don't care to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    When I first started creating a website, I was not in it for the money, I was in it for having a site that people would want to go to and get information they want that I knew I had.

    The earning part came after when I first started earning form ads.

    My first authority (well.. still building into an authority) got hit by the Sept 2011 Panda, views dropped like 70% overnight, I never changed anything and just accepted it, I did not change/remove anything but so far my site has come back and has been able to ignore any new algorithm updates (and now even better than before).



    And more importantly, even if I get hammered by Google because of some weird bullsh*t algorithm update, I would still be updating and working my site for my loyal visitors.
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    Everybody can archive his goal, just make it realistic
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    • Profile picture of the author Canuckystan
      I had a look at your site, and to be honest, I don't get it at all. "Anti-marketer" sounds like some sort of occupy wall street group. But yet it speaks to marketing, so it isn't anti-marketing at all. Then there is this stuff about disruptive approaches (again, sounds like an occupy/anti-biz movement).

      And the last post was 2008.

      Your message is confusing for the average web surfer who will give your site 3 seconds before sticking or clicking away. There's a ton of great marketing sites out there where people can spend their time.

      You have to ask yourself honestly: why will people choose to spend their time on your site rather than someone like, say, Seth Godin?

      Just being honest, it doesn't resonate with me at all, and I still don't have any idea what anti-marketing brings to marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by Canuckystan View Post

        I had a look at your site, and to be honest, I don't get it at all. "Anti-marketer" sounds like some sort of occupy wall street group. But yet it speaks to marketing, so it isn't anti-marketing at all. Then there is this stuff about disruptive approaches (again, sounds like an occupy/anti-biz movement).

        And the last post was 2008.

        Your message is confusing for the average web surfer who will give your site 3 seconds before sticking or clicking away. There's a ton of great marketing sites out there where people can spend their time.

        You have to ask yourself honestly: why will people choose to spend their time on your site rather than someone like, say, Seth Godin?

        Just being honest, it doesn't resonate with me at all, and I still don't have any idea what anti-marketing brings to marketing.
        That wasn't my site. As far as the whole I want a huge authority sites goes, I've smarten up a lot since than. You don't need to have a large site to make a lot of money. A 50 page site promoted well can make just as much as a site 20x larger. Adsense and amazon are no longer in my business model. Self branding , creating services or products is where my head is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author supereek
    well OP look.. most short-tail keywords with high CPC and high HITS are over-competitive and extremely hard to rank for. Thats why most people here are targeting long-tail microniche sites for their adsense cash, and when you do that you simply cannot have 1 site because longtail keywords dont have many hits.

    About your movie/forum idea, its good but again its nothing new, if you want to have people addicted and actually have fun visiting your website and be happy as the M#therf#cker to share it with others, then you need to come up with something so fun and unique to become a hit like that. You need to develop a whole new concept on the internet and that is hard because look at how many things already exist, and once something new and exciting comes up, it doesn't take long before someone copies it with their own twist.

    I wish you goodluck

    EDIT./ i can give you a little tip on building a unique websites/forums. Wait for a new hype to come out and be prepared months before it actually arrives with a ready to roll website/forum on it, this way you get up there first and stand your ground as a brand. For example: lets say Playstation 5 comes out in 2015, you need to have ps5gamereviews.com finished and ranked months before the console is released . Thats just a theorycraft tho
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    • Profile picture of the author RimaNaj2011
      Nothing wrong with niche sites but it's a much better idea to have one large site that you put all the focus on. And this definitely means don't rely 100% on SEO.

      I remember over a year ago reading and thinking like you were...honestly listen to that guy yukon. I remember he had a really informative thread on his site and some examples. I'm sure you can find it but what he says is legit if you want to be serious about an online business.

      Forget thinking that JUST SEO and Adsense is a real business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Campbell24
    Making absolutely MASSIVE authority sites like IMDB is another game. It involves different stuff.

    You have to get a ton of content for one. And this costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. But yeah if you want to go for it it can pay off in the long run obviously. Haven't made a massive one yet personally but have been considering the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSence
    What I would say that create your own site, whether it is authority site or small site, experiment of your own, well, listen to all, whether they are experienced or you are getting information from any authority SEO blog, but know what is going to work for you, you can understand this thing with your own experiment.
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  • Profile picture of the author New Comer
    why not have your main authority site or whatever, your pride and joy....then build these retarded niche sites for fun/to sell/to give to someone else who needs monthly income?


    I too hate all this build a site ASAP, spam the links and try to rank and bla bla bla all that retarded stuff...

    I feel for some of it, have tried to do some, might even try again and monetize via PPC now that I have a better understanding of what I'm doing...but I too...want just one site lol
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    dope

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  • Profile picture of the author honnas
    To me building the niche sites just knowing that later they will tank is a lot of work and too taxing on my brain. : ) But then again, I am just now actively pursuing IM, I have never monetized my blogs outside of Adsense.

    I have two authority sites. I am not "doing" SEO per say, in fact I am actively working on not over doing optimization so as not to P.O. the search engine gods. I had a huge drop on the 6th on one site, but it seems to be recovering.

    I do know that it is always good to diversify in business. But instead of diversifying with IM I think I am going to reopen a web store. I had one years ago in a specific home decor niche, but closed it when my therapy practice became busy. I have been researching that again and have found a smaller niche that I think could pull in some decent money in a few months. I would not have massive amounts of inventory, it is easy to ship. That way I have two income sources and not completely dependent on one.
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