Too many links from one ip

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I recently found a footprint to find "do follow" blogs on a certain blogging platform. They are on different domains, but they share the same ip address. Has anyone been penalized from getting too many links from one ip address?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    I have a PR7 site which has sometimes thousands of links from individual domains. Over a million backlinks total. Nothing black hat, so no penalties.
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  • Profile picture of the author franktwin
    With the panda update.. it is not good to have many links from one IP ADDRESS... its about quality now... Not quantity. Hope that helps..
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  • Profile picture of the author boosters
    If you have 100 backlinks in 3 years old domain you still win and get the position of 1st in google, it doesn't matter how many backlinks you created.. it matter your backlinks will be pointed to authority sites or good pr sites to your relevant topics. Personal experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi SerpSlayer,

      IP addresses are not a factor in search engine rankings.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi SerpSlayer,

        IP addresses are not a factor in search engine rankings.
        Yes they are.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

          Yes they are.
          LOL, do you have any evidence that suggest IP addresses are a factor?

          I've been doing SEO for a long time and for a lot of websites, never seen any evidence yet that suggests IP addresses are a factor. If you have ever found any evidence, please share, otherwise, I'll take your reply as the jape I'm sure you intended.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            LOL, do you have any evidence that suggest IP addresses are a factor?

            I've been doing SEO for a long time and for a lot of websites, never seen any evidence yet that suggests IP addresses are a factor. If you have ever found any evidence, please share, otherwise, I'll take your reply as the jape I'm sure you intended.
            "SEO hosting" has been around a good 5-6 years as a result of Google patent filings that described search ranking algorithms in which links on the same IP address, or same class C IP range, would be ignored for certain purposes. That created a whole industry of hosts that offer an IP address on a separate class C subnet for each of your sites.

            Here's the most recent: Determining quality of linked documents, issued to Google in 2010

            Originally Posted by Google Search Patent


            6. The method of claim 1, further comprising: identifying affiliation among the documents in the affiliated set of documents based on at least one of a link graph structure of the documents, traffic patterns to the documents, similarity of hostnames of the documents, or similarity of IP addresses of the documents.
            An article about one of the older patents in 2007:

            http://blog.v7n.com/2007/10/02/seo-and-web-hosting/

            Originally Posted by Google Search Patent


            Re-ranking component 122 begins by identifying the documents in the initial set that have a hyperlink to document x. (Act 301). The set of documents that have such hyperlinks are denoted as B(y). Documents from the same host as document x tend to be similar to document x but often do not provide significant new information to the user. Accordingly, re-ranking component 124 removes documents from B(y) that have the same host as document x. (Act 302). More specifically, let IP3(x) denote the first three octets of the IP (Internet Protocol) address of document x (i.e., the IP subnet). If IP3(x)=IP3(y), document y is removed from B(y).
            http://www.google.com/patents/US6526440

            Please check the immature 'txt speak', insincere smilies and 'you must be joking to reply to me' at the door, it's not appreciated. You'd have to have been out of the loop for years to miss this stuff, as every major SEO blog and forum talked about it extensively. There are almost a million webpages that mention "class c" and SEO. There are almost a thousand posts on Warrior Forum about it.

            Now, like I said before, there's no penalty to simply having many links from the same IP address. It happens naturally all the time. That said, you'd be naive to think these links are worth the same as links from different websites, or that Google can't smell spammy links made to look natural by using multiple domains -- while they're on the same IP address and very likely placed by the same person. Not only is it in Google's patent filings, but it'd be absurd to not take that into account when building a ranking algorithm.
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

              "SEO hosting" has been around a good 5-6 years as a result of Google patent filings that described search ranking algorithms in which links on the same IP address, or same class C IP range, would be ignored for certain purposes. That created a whole industry of hosts that offer an IP address on a separate class C subnet for each of your sites.

              Here's the most recent: Determining quality of linked documents, issued to Google in 2010



              An article about one of the older patents in 2007:

              SEO and Web Hosting | V7N Web Development Blog



              Please check the immature 'txt speak' and 'you must be joking to reply to me' at the door, it's not appreciated. You'd have to have been out of the loop for years to miss this stuff, as every major SEO blog and forum talked about it extensively. There are almost a million webpages that mention "class c" and SEO. There are almost a thousand posts on Warrior Forum about it.
              Yep, aware of it, It's their patent on affiliated database documents. It has to do with their author affiliation and reputation. It is a method of linking documents together that are created by the same author, and using the author's reputation as part of the ranking score. Google has been talking publicly about this goal for several years.

              The funny thing is that it does the opposite of what the SEO Hosting businesses try perpetuate. Read the document carefully and you will note that the technique described boosts the ranking of affiliated documents. The whole concept of of hiding affiliation has the opposite effect intended by the diversified IP address notion.

              If you want to rank better in SERPs you need affiliations, the more the better. The bottom line is that linked documents are already affiliated. That patent describes how they can use traffic between linked documents, as well as IP addresses to improve the ranking of documents from authors with good reputations. Thanks for pointing out the patent that describes that technology.

              If you do a little searching around the web it won't take you long to understand that cross-linked networks that are affiliated tend rank better than web pages that are not. The amount of rankings boost depends on the link juice of the documents affiliated, they are passing that link juice in the form or trust. This is not a new concept, Google filed for that patent a long time ago, and the final patent was awarded in 2010.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            LOL, do you have any evidence that suggest IP addresses are a factor?

            I've been doing SEO for a long time and for a lot of websites, never seen any evidence yet that suggests IP addresses are a factor. If you have ever found any evidence, please share, otherwise, I'll take your reply as the jape I'm sure you intended.

            How many times have you been able to successfully rank multiples sites on the front page of Google when each site you're promoting is on the same IP?

            It's a lot easier to do that if the domains you're promoting on are different IP's. If you've been "doing SEO for a long time" you should not require evidence, this is something that should already be understood.
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by Nicky Papers View Post

              How many times have you been able to successfully rank multiples sites on the front page of Google when each site you're promoting is on the same IP?
              Hi Nicky,

              First let me say that Google does not rank websites, they rank individual web pages.

              Secondly, I routinely rank tens of thousands of pages on the front of Google. And most of my promotional pages are all running on a handful of the same IP addresses. It's easier and less costly to build a network of websites on the same server, same IP address, and Google doesn't seem to mind, so I try to make it very clear to Google, and users, how each website is connected and affiliated. And, I try to do it in ways the add value and usefulness to users.

              It's not your IP address that matters, it is the relevance, quality and usefulness of your content that matters.

              It's a lot easier to do that if the domains you're promoting on are different IP's. If you've been "doing SEO for a long time" you should not require evidence, this is something that should already be understood.
              Yep, I've been at it a long time, and I do it for a living, I cannot afford to be wrong. Many companies, with way too many families relying on the business that is generated from from our web promotion and advertising, I have to be right or people will lose their jobs, careers and life savings. But, maybe I'll learn something new, so please keep telling me what I must be doing wrong, I will gladly learn and adapt if needed. However, for now, Google seems to like our content and so do users, so I'll stick to what Google recommends for now, and you can keep telling me how wrong I am. I don't mind.
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              • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                I routinely rank tens of thousands of pages on the front of Google.
                I should have been more clear, my apologies for that. In how many instances are you ranking multiple pages on different domains for the same search query where the domains are hosting all on the same IP?

                The point that I was trying to make is that it's easier to own a lager percent of the top 10 results for a search query when your efforts are hedged by placing those sites on different IP's.
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                • Profile picture of the author dburk
                  Originally Posted by Nicky Papers View Post

                  I should have been more clear, my apologies for that. In how many instances are you ranking multiple pages on different domains for the same search query where the domains are hosting all on the same IP?

                  The point that I was trying to make is that it's easier to own a lager percent of the top 10 results for a search query when your efforts are hedged by placing those sites on different IP's.

                  Hi Nicky,

                  Tens of thousands.

                  For example, I have eCommerce websites that compete for the exact same keywords, where each site offers a different line, different price points, and different value added benefits. We routinely rank the competing pages, on different domains, for the same keywords, while those websites are all hosted on the same IP.

                  And, yes, I'm talking about highly competitive keywords. I've never had a problem doing that way. Also, since these are very lucrative keywords we also buy top ad positions for those same keywords, there is a lot of synergy in having top organic listings in addition to top ad positions, often it more than doubles the sales from that keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    You've just done a complete about-face, from this:

    Originally Posted by dburk

    IP addresses are not a factor in search engine rankings.
    Originally Posted by dburk

    LOL, do you have any evidence that suggest IP addresses are a factor?
    To this:

    Originally Posted by dburk

    That patent describes how they can use traffic between linked documents, as well as IP addresses to improve the ranking of documents from authors with good reputations
    In less than an hour. While trying to spin it as if you held that view originally, and it should be obvious how important IP addresses are in the ranking algorithm.

    Congrats, you just pulled a Romney.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      You've just done a complete about-face, from this:





      To this:



      In less than an hour. While trying to spin it as if you held that view originally, and it should be obvious how important IP addresses are in the ranking algorithm.

      Congrats, you just pulled a Romney.
      No, need to get nasty there, I'm no big government guy.

      I think you may have missed my point, which it is that the affiliation with trusted content will boost your trust, the IP address itself does not imply trust, the IP address is just a path that can be followed to discover affiliations, and as such, is not a ranking factor. It is the affiliation with trusted content that is the factor that boosts your ranking score.

      And again, if it were a ranking factor it would be a positive factor, not a negative factor, which is what is generally ascribed, incorrectly in my opinion, to shared IP addresses.

      P.S. Just to be clear, affiliations with trusted documents may be a ranking factor, IP address are not currently used as a ranking factor, just as mechanism to discover affiliations, which especially in the context of the the OP, I stand by my assertion that IP addresses are not a factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukerutherford
    Bunch of links coming from one IP address is not really good, ever since Panda and Penguin Update roll out it is more important to have quality content and build not too much but relevant and quality links coming form authority and related websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author carrotdogs
    Originally Posted by SerpSlayer View Post

    I recently found a footprint to find "do follow" blogs on a certain blogging platform. They are on different domains, but they share the same ip address. Has anyone been penalized from getting too many links from one ip address?
    Yes, You'll be fine. People need to stop worrying so much about Google Penalty's and focus more on building quality links. As long as you use those blogs for whitehat link building then you'll be fine, regardless of whether they are the same ip
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  • Profile picture of the author bhushan@rancor
    i have face this type of issue in a forum but there is nothing relates with IP address if they are form different domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    Originally Posted by SerpSlayer View Post

    I recently found a footprint to find "do follow" blogs on a certain blogging platform. They are on different domains, but they share the same ip address. Has anyone been penalized from getting too many links from one ip address?
    Nothing to worry about. It's called "shared hosting".
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Quite a few, big, old websites are on the old
      fashioned non class c hosting. Such a myth.

      I dare anyone to look up the class of the WF.

      Amazon? Come on folks. Who are you fooling?

      Google could give a rat's behind if you have a class
      c ip address....shattered many times.

      It only makes hosting resellers rich with their
      pie in the sky something special ip crapola BS.

      Gasbuddy.com, which a HUGE myth killer, has probably
      200 friggin domains, all linking, the same server.

      How many websites share hosting with wikipedia?
      Man they own tons, same IP, all linking.

      Complete BS.

      If you are doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter.

      And if you are doing something wrong, why are you
      trying to hide from google?

      Lose-lose.

      Find amazon's IP. Then check to see how many sites are on it.
      You'd be friggin amazed. And they all link up!

      If you want to run with the big boys, why are you acting like
      a scared little kid? I strive to be one of the big boys!

      Now, about that too many links form one IP BS? Anyone who
      says that, and has a sig here, is blowing smoke. You have
      500 posts, and a sig, that's 500 from the same IP!!!!!

      So, delete your sig. At least to your favorite dot coms.
      Wouldn't want you to get penalized, right?

      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author TuNguyen
      Well this has escalated quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Davis
    With the latest updates it's best go with an approach to SEO that gives the appearance of "natural" linking.

    Surely there are times that multiple domains on the same IP would link to the same site naturally. I'm sure with all of the shared hosting out there it happens all the time.

    With that being said it does create a footprint if those same domain names all on one IP are the only links that are pointing to your site.

    If they're mixed in with quite a bit of other quality backlinks (not blog comment spam) it will minimize the footprint those links create.

    I've tested this a few times and had better results using domains that are on different hosting accounts versus all on the same IP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Theeban
    I really don't think that will be an issue as far as you are not violating Google's guidelines.
    It is important to vary Anchor text as well use out various methods to get more backlinks. Specially it is wise to go ahead with content link building even if those are from same IP, anyhow, it is always recommended to play around with other link building methods like SB, Blog commenting too.
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