Magic Submitter Users - Why do you spin?

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I've been researching people who use automated tools such as automated submitter. They use tiered campaigns to rank websites.

Now, every tutorial/information i have read regarding magic submitter says that you have to spin articles to submit everywhere.

Why do people do this? Do they really think that Google is unable to detect spun material? Surely syndicated content (not spinning) would provide the same results?

Does anyone use Magic Submitter and NOT spin any articles to get results?
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  • I do not use spun content. If Google is not detecting and targeting spun content today, it sure as hell seems like an easy target for them to target in the future. That is enough for me to stay away from using it.

    I will admit, I do occasionally use a spinner to help with coming up with LSI content, but that is something completely different.
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    • I couldn't agree more. I expect Google to have filters in place to detect spun articles within the year. When they launch the new filters, lots of people will be hit hard. Not banned, but lose link value because Google will likely deindex spun articles from their search results, which means they link will no longer have any value.

      It is recommended to avoid spinning articles and start hand writing good articles that people will actually enjoy to read.

      About Magic Submitter, I love this tool. I use it often not for submitting spun articles, but for bookmarking, video uploading, feeds submission, pligg, and etc...

      You can build your own system to submit hand written articles to your favorite article directory / web2.0 site. The thing I love about Magic Submitter is you can set it up to do what you want / need. It's very customizatable.
  • Exactly, spun content is, no matter how you want to put it, spam. Google omits the same content over loads of pages in their ranking because they don't want to show the same content over and over. Spinning is a method that tries to get around that, in other words, Google doesn't like it and will obviously throw a big update tackling it at some point.

    Do you write posts and use that to syndicate in your magic submitter campaigns? In other words, do you submit the same article to all those directories, web 2.0s, etc in your backlinking MS campaign?

    And more importantly, see results?
  • I rarely use article directories anymore. If I do, it is just for some domain diversity. I do syndicate the same articles though. The only thing I do is if an article appears on the website I am ranking, I never use it on any Web 2.0 sites or article directories.

    As far as results... Yeah, I get fantastic results but I would not give credit to Magic Submitter for those results. The little bit I do with Magic Submitter is the weakest part of my link campaigns.
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      Exactly, the only magic part about it is that you don't have to create all accounts manually. The results will never be magical no matter what kind of pyramids you build with it.

      We do all work manually anyway so that we can customize the web2.0's more to our wishes, sometimes I syndicate the content, sometimes we spin it, in case of spin we make a huge 95%+ spin that is well readable. Creating such spin takes us about 20-30 minutes but when you have VA's thats not more then $2,- per spin.

      Little explanation of how we spin:

      - we select 15 highly related PLR articles
      - divide each into paragraphs
      - then we have a list of like 90 paragraphs
      - then we shuffle all the paragraphs
      - create 15 spin blocks of 6 paragraphs each, depending on how many words you want it to be
      - load it in thebestspinner
      - click Everyone's Favourite Tab - select all open articles
      - select Best -> Better -> Good
      - tick the box "Replace everyone's favorite inside spun text
      - tick the box "Only select the #1 Best Synonym"
      - Max synonyms change from 5 to 1
      - Spin it!

      That way it is highly unique and still very well readable, I ain't saying it will be perfect as there can always be situations where a word can have 2 meanings but that's pretty sporadic. Overall the grammar is very okay and cause it's based on paragraph spinning it also reads reasonable. Either way it would be very hard for Google to detect that it's spun content.
  • I dont spin content but sometimes i'm tempted to do it. Good spin software allows you to change most of the text and rewrite it completely different, i think is very difficult for google to detect it, but you should check every spinned text.
  • I see, when you say "The only thing I do is if an article appears on the website I am ranking, I never use it on any Web 2.0 sites or article directories." What do you mean by appears on the website you are ranking? Are you saying you don't syndicate content fro myour money website, instead you write a NEW unique article and syndicate that, and that content never going on your website?

    I'm trying to learn as much as I can, could you please outline in few words the stronger part of your campaigns please? Does it involve social media?
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    • Yes. No content on the website I'm ranking is syndicated. I know plenty of people that use content from their site after it is indexed. Just my personal preference.

      Social media helps your website ranking about as much as wishes and prayers do.

      The main part of my linking is acquiring and creating backlinks on pages with actual PR. That can be through buying domains with PR and building a little niche site out of them, guest posting, relevant high quality directories, and just reaching out to webmasters to ask for a link.
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  • That makes sense. Buying domains with pr and making real sites to backlink and getting other webmasters to link back to you all makes sense.

    But what if you are targetting a very niche market? Or if you want to rank an amazon review site, target a very niche product.

    For low competition keywords do you do all that work? Would creating a real site in a web2.0 site with a backlink to the real money site (albeit the web 2.0 has no pr) and targetting MS campaign only to the web2.0, be enough?
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    • If the competition is weak enough, yeah probably.
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  • "Why do you spin?" is not the question.. the question is "Why do people waste their time spinning when they have no idea how to spin and use the stupid 'use all favorites one push auto-spin button'"? Yeah Google can detect this. They cannot detect well spun, multi-level spintax (sentence/paragraph/word, varying paragraph/sentence count, etc).

    If I may vent for just a bit, what's with the comments about "spinning = spam"? Not just on this thread but on just about every thread about spinning? Let me ask you something.. if I wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, and you wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, just how different would our 2 articles be, really? I would guess not a whole heck of a lot. So, thats ok, but rewriting and spinning an article that ends up being essentially the same only worded differently is somehow spam? I dont get it.

    All in all, I say, if you believe in spinning, spin. If you dont, then dont.
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    • Are your "spins" designed for human consumption ? Would someone read it from start to finish without wanting to dig their eyes out ? If your answer is no to those two questions, then you're a spammer. Sorry.

      If you can honestly say yes, then you're not a spammer. In which case, I'll say why not write an original article to begin with. It should be roughly the same time and effort.
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  • Google did come up with filters to detect spun content. Its just, I believe it is as advanced as it ever will be. Sure it has an easy time on spun words, but it cannot and will never be able to detect on the sentence/paragraph level, especially when intermixed with varying sentence/paragraph count. It can detect if the spun sentence is a duplicate of another, but it cant penalize you because there is always going to be at least some degree of duplication no matter whether it is spun or original. I'd almost wager that having 2 articles being both 100% unique to eachother would be flagged artificial because that in itself would be difficult to achieve without purposely trying. People make Google out to be this mastermind god with some sort of science fiction real a.i. which is simply not true.
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  • A lot of you are throwing around "filters to detect spun content", but what exactly do you mean? Do you mean filters to detect when an article isn't sufficiently unique, or filter to detect when an article isn't readable enough?

    There is no way to just detect "spun content", they have to either see that content isn't unique enough or isn't readable enough. And spun content doesn't necessarily have to fail either of those two conditions.
  • Thank you! , Do you use the Captcha Sniper with MS as well ? or it's not recommended as alex stated in the MS's option ?

    Can we just pass the Captcha to Captcha Sniper if not solved then pass it to other captcha solving services ? is that possible in MS & GSA ?
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    • No, I use DeathbyCaptcha Service with MS. Its very cheap $1.39/ 1k.

      Yes there is an option in GSA, but not in MS. Suggestion has been sent to Alex
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  • Yeah, It will be a great feature if Alex add it to MS. Thanks for your help.
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    • Yes, that's correct they really think Google is unable to detect CORRECTLY spun material.

      Some people think spinning is "Replace Everyone's Favorites" and then they wonder why their site tanks.

      Google can detect if you replace a bunch of synonyms. IF you spin PROPERLY it's undetectable. This means spinning paragraphs, sentences (conveying similar ideas with different words), phrases, words, punctuation (commas, periods, semicolons), line breaks, html (bold, italics, header, underline), misspellings, images, and videos... including file names, hosting location, sizes, positions, etc.




      Wrong. Drop the mantra please. I spin all ALL my articles on Tier 1. If I sent you one of my articles you would be able to read it from start to finish 100% and it would make sense.

      Not only that but after generating hundreds of copies it would pass dupe filters with flying colors.

      My spins are for human consumption on Tier 1. They are 100% readable and I'll tell you why not write an original article.

      It takes me 6-8 hours from start to finish to spin a 500 word article the RIGHT way.

      In about 8 hours working non stop at top speed lets say 30 minutes an article (usually takes me longer because I'd rather research a bit) that would allow me to generate 16 articles.

      In that same amount of time I can create a spin that will allow me to generate hundreds, if not thousands of articles while maintaining around 90% uniqueness.

      Time is money, so it makes a whole lot of sense. Spinning the right way will literally drive you nuts as it's mind numbing soul crushing work, but it's well worth it. Imagine the cost of 1,000 readable articles? And yep all my spins are 100% readable and make sense. They don't sound like a college paper, they won't win any medals, but they are readable and do make sense.
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  • The Magic Submitter instructer recommends high quality spun to over 80%
  • Many people assume that a spun article equals a crappy article. If you're scraping content and spinning it you're in serious jeopardy of getting hammered by Google at some point.

    BUT, if have a unique article written and manually spun in the 200% to 400% range using sentence, word, and nested you're in good shape and really won't run into any "Google" issues. Plus you have to learn how to use the software whether that be MS or SeNuke or whatever. You can write your own articles and still get penalized if you use the software irresponsibly.

    I've always experienced the best results with MS. There are some extra tweaks that I do to totally randomize every aspect of link building, not just the content.
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    • Yes 100% agreed. Spun article is an essential element at determining your success rate no matter what submission tool you use like SEnuke, Ultimate Demon or Magic Submitter.

      What I normally do for my backlinks campaign using MS, I would generate 3-4 articles from Article Builder with the same length and sentence and then spun them at word level. I also added spun images and spun youtube video for blog 2.0 and wordpress blog submission.

      Manual spun is very tedious work and when done correctly it's really worth it. You can use for autoblogging as well by using tool like Article Builder.

      That's briefly my current practice using Magic Submitter to build backlinks and Article Builder for content generation. Feel free to visit my blog and watch my personal video on how I do it. Video 5 - Promotion

      I hope you can comment and advice me if I have any room for improvement at my backlinks campaign. Your advice and comment are highly appreciated.

      best regards,

      Zul
    • Because they are crap. Spun articles suck hard, long, and deep.
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  • SPUN content is useless, it will NOT help you with anything, so there is no reason even to waste your time submitting your content to Article Directories...
  • I believe most people use spun content when using auto-submitter to link to the higher quality first tier submissions. For example, they write a few excellent articles and sumbmit them to high ranking article directories (like goarticles.com & ezines), create web 2.0 pages, & free blogs from WordPress, blogger, etc. They then spin versions of the original articles and mass submit to hundreds of directories and link back to their goarticle submissions etc. I think it depends on the individual using the spinner as to the quality of the article, not ideal, but some guys, like Pat Flynn for example, used this method to rank first page in a month and is still making a killing with the site. . . I don't judge.
  • Just make sure that each article is different
    easy as that
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    Magic Submitter Users - Why do you spin?

    I've been researching people who use automated tools such as automated submitter. They use tiered campaigns to rank websites. Now, every tutorial/information i have read regarding magic submitter says that you have to spin articles to submit everywhere.