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Magic Submitter Users - Why do you spin?

by Iamcap
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I've been researching people who use automated tools such as automated submitter. They use tiered campaigns to rank websites.

Now, every tutorial/information i have read regarding magic submitter says that you have to spin articles to submit everywhere.

Why do people do this? Do they really think that Google is unable to detect spun material? Surely syndicated content (not spinning) would provide the same results?

Does anyone use Magic Submitter and NOT spin any articles to get results?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I do not use spun content. If Google is not detecting and targeting spun content today, it sure as hell seems like an easy target for them to target in the future. That is enough for me to stay away from using it.

    I will admit, I do occasionally use a spinner to help with coming up with LSI content, but that is something completely different.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I do not use spun content. If Google is not detecting and targeting spun content today, it sure as hell seems like an easy target for them to target in the future. That is enough for me to stay away from using it.

      I will admit, I do occasionally use a spinner to help with coming up with LSI content, but that is something completely different.
      I couldn't agree more. I expect Google to have filters in place to detect spun articles within the year. When they launch the new filters, lots of people will be hit hard. Not banned, but lose link value because Google will likely deindex spun articles from their search results, which means they link will no longer have any value.

      It is recommended to avoid spinning articles and start hand writing good articles that people will actually enjoy to read.

      About Magic Submitter, I love this tool. I use it often not for submitting spun articles, but for bookmarking, video uploading, feeds submission, pligg, and etc...

      You can build your own system to submit hand written articles to your favorite article directory / web2.0 site. The thing I love about Magic Submitter is you can set it up to do what you want / need. It's very customizatable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Iamcap
    Exactly, spun content is, no matter how you want to put it, spam. Google omits the same content over loads of pages in their ranking because they don't want to show the same content over and over. Spinning is a method that tries to get around that, in other words, Google doesn't like it and will obviously throw a big update tackling it at some point.

    Do you write posts and use that to syndicate in your magic submitter campaigns? In other words, do you submit the same article to all those directories, web 2.0s, etc in your backlinking MS campaign?

    And more importantly, see results?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I rarely use article directories anymore. If I do, it is just for some domain diversity. I do syndicate the same articles though. The only thing I do is if an article appears on the website I am ranking, I never use it on any Web 2.0 sites or article directories.

    As far as results... Yeah, I get fantastic results but I would not give credit to Magic Submitter for those results. The little bit I do with Magic Submitter is the weakest part of my link campaigns.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      As far as results... Yeah, I get fantastic results but I would not give credit to Magic Submitter for those results. The little bit I do with Magic Submitter is the weakest part of my link campaigns.
      Exactly, the only magic part about it is that you don't have to create all accounts manually. The results will never be magical no matter what kind of pyramids you build with it.

      We do all work manually anyway so that we can customize the web2.0's more to our wishes, sometimes I syndicate the content, sometimes we spin it, in case of spin we make a huge 95%+ spin that is well readable. Creating such spin takes us about 20-30 minutes but when you have VA's thats not more then $2,- per spin.

      Little explanation of how we spin:

      - we select 15 highly related PLR articles
      - divide each into paragraphs
      - then we have a list of like 90 paragraphs
      - then we shuffle all the paragraphs
      - create 15 spin blocks of 6 paragraphs each, depending on how many words you want it to be
      - load it in thebestspinner
      - click Everyone's Favourite Tab - select all open articles
      - select Best -> Better -> Good
      - tick the box "Replace everyone's favorite inside spun text
      - tick the box "Only select the #1 Best Synonym"
      - Max synonyms change from 5 to 1
      - Spin it!

      That way it is highly unique and still very well readable, I ain't saying it will be perfect as there can always be situations where a word can have 2 meanings but that's pretty sporadic. Overall the grammar is very okay and cause it's based on paragraph spinning it also reads reasonable. Either way it would be very hard for Google to detect that it's spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvanzaSeo
    I dont spin content but sometimes i'm tempted to do it. Good spin software allows you to change most of the text and rewrite it completely different, i think is very difficult for google to detect it, but you should check every spinned text.
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  • Profile picture of the author Iamcap
    I see, when you say "The only thing I do is if an article appears on the website I am ranking, I never use it on any Web 2.0 sites or article directories." What do you mean by appears on the website you are ranking? Are you saying you don't syndicate content fro myour money website, instead you write a NEW unique article and syndicate that, and that content never going on your website?

    I'm trying to learn as much as I can, could you please outline in few words the stronger part of your campaigns please? Does it involve social media?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

      Are you saying you don't syndicate content fro myour money website, instead you write a NEW unique article and syndicate that, and that content never going on your website?
      Yes. No content on the website I'm ranking is syndicated. I know plenty of people that use content from their site after it is indexed. Just my personal preference.

      Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

      I'm trying to learn as much as I can, could you please outline in few words the stronger part of your campaigns please? Does it involve social media?
      Social media helps your website ranking about as much as wishes and prayers do.

      The main part of my linking is acquiring and creating backlinks on pages with actual PR. That can be through buying domains with PR and building a little niche site out of them, guest posting, relevant high quality directories, and just reaching out to webmasters to ask for a link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Iamcap
    That makes sense. Buying domains with pr and making real sites to backlink and getting other webmasters to link back to you all makes sense.

    But what if you are targetting a very niche market? Or if you want to rank an amazon review site, target a very niche product.

    For low competition keywords do you do all that work? Would creating a real site in a web2.0 site with a backlink to the real money site (albeit the web 2.0 has no pr) and targetting MS campaign only to the web2.0, be enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

      For low competition keywords do you do all that work? Would creating a real site in a web2.0 site with a backlink to the real money site (albeit the web 2.0 has no pr) and targetting MS campaign only to the web2.0, be enough?
      If the competition is weak enough, yeah probably.
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      • Profile picture of the author Iamcap
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        If the competition is weak enough, yeah probably.
        I see, I might give it a go with the trial.

        The reason I asked was that I have a good website (well designed and great content) that is ranking for various keywords 20-40. I have only used social media, bookmarks and some web 2.0s, but it doesn't seem to be enough (it's been a month and the keywords are not moving up or down much since they appeared in their rankings)! Looking for a boost really.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
          Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

          I see, I might give it a go with the trial.

          The reason I asked was that I have a good website (well designed and great content) that is ranking for various keywords 20-40. I have only used social media, bookmarks and some web 2.0s, but it doesn't seem to be enough (it's been a month and the keywords are not moving up or down much since they appeared in their rankings)! Looking for a boost really.
          Here's one tip for you.
          After creating article, blogs, web2.0 backlinks extract all of those links from link manager and add them in GSA SER and run.

          Optional: Use this function for multi-tier
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          • Profile picture of the author mamadou
            Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

            Here's one tip for you.
            After creating article, blogs, web2.0 backlinks extract all of those links from link manager and add them in GSA SER and run.

            Optional: Use this function for multi-tier
            Thanks for sharing this tip. I bought MS through your WSO and now I have an idea to replace backlinksindexer.com with GSA since backlinksidnexer will be very expensive with the volume of links I'm generating everyday with MS , what do you think ?

            Can I add multiple links in GSA ? let's say that I have like 400 or 500 links coming from one of MS's campaign , how can I add them in GSA in one easy step ?

            Also let me ask you , what services do you use in GSA to make backlinks to MS's Quality backlinks ? I don't want to spend a fortune on Captchas in GSA though.
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            • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
              Originally Posted by mamadou View Post

              Thanks for sharing this tip. I bought MS through your WSO and now I have an idea to replace backlinksindexer.com with GSA since backlinksidnexer will be very expensive with the volume of links I'm generating everyday with MS , what do you think ?

              Can I add multiple links in GSA ? let's say that I have like 400 or 500 links coming from one of MS's campaign , how can I add them for GSA ?

              Also let me ask you , what services do you use in GSA to make backlinks to MS's Quality backlinks ? I don't want to spend a fortune on Captchas in GSA though.
              Welcome and thanks for purchasing through our WSO.
              Yes you have an great idea if you'd choose GSA for your multi-tier backlinks as it is also one time purchase.

              Yes you can add multiple links in one campaign by just copy pasting urls.
              Download the 5 days full functional trial from here. (NOT MY AFFILIATE)


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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    "Why do you spin?" is not the question.. the question is "Why do people waste their time spinning when they have no idea how to spin and use the stupid 'use all favorites one push auto-spin button'"? Yeah Google can detect this. They cannot detect well spun, multi-level spintax (sentence/paragraph/word, varying paragraph/sentence count, etc).

    If I may vent for just a bit, what's with the comments about "spinning = spam"? Not just on this thread but on just about every thread about spinning? Let me ask you something.. if I wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, and you wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, just how different would our 2 articles be, really? I would guess not a whole heck of a lot. So, thats ok, but rewriting and spinning an article that ends up being essentially the same only worded differently is somehow spam? I dont get it.

    All in all, I say, if you believe in spinning, spin. If you dont, then dont.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      If I may vent for just a bit, what's with the comments about "spinning = spam"? Not just on this thread but on just about every thread about spinning? Let me ask you something.. if I wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, and you wrote an article about how to walk your dog around the block, just how different would our 2 articles be, really? I would guess not a whole heck of a lot. So, thats ok, but rewriting and spinning an article that ends up being essentially the same only worded differently is somehow spam? I dont get it.
      Are your "spins" designed for human consumption ? Would someone read it from start to finish without wanting to dig their eyes out ? If your answer is no to those two questions, then you're a spammer. Sorry.

      If you can honestly say yes, then you're not a spammer. In which case, I'll say why not write an original article to begin with. It should be roughly the same time and effort.
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      • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
        Originally Posted by retsek View Post

        Are your "spins" designed for human consumption ? Would someone read it from start to finish without wanting to dig their eyes out ? If your answer is no to those two questions, then you're a spammer. Sorry.

        If you can honestly say yes, then you're not a spammer. In which case, I'll say why not write an original article to begin with. It should be roughly the same time and effort.
        Maybe.. but whether you are syndicating content, hiring someone, or writing 100 unique articles yourself, all for the purpose of gaining a backlink, you are spamming anyways. Spinning just makes things that much easier. Yes, I will agree, why not write an original article to begin with. Yes it should take the same time and effort.. for one article. Try writing 100, then come back and let me know how long it took you (or how much it cost).

        p.s. are Magic Submitter 'runs' designed for human consumption? Really?
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    Google did come up with filters to detect spun content. Its just, I believe it is as advanced as it ever will be. Sure it has an easy time on spun words, but it cannot and will never be able to detect on the sentence/paragraph level, especially when intermixed with varying sentence/paragraph count. It can detect if the spun sentence is a duplicate of another, but it cant penalize you because there is always going to be at least some degree of duplication no matter whether it is spun or original. I'd almost wager that having 2 articles being both 100% unique to eachother would be flagged artificial because that in itself would be difficult to achieve without purposely trying. People make Google out to be this mastermind god with some sort of science fiction real a.i. which is simply not true.
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    A lot of you are throwing around "filters to detect spun content", but what exactly do you mean? Do you mean filters to detect when an article isn't sufficiently unique, or filter to detect when an article isn't readable enough?

    There is no way to just detect "spun content", they have to either see that content isn't unique enough or isn't readable enough. And spun content doesn't necessarily have to fail either of those two conditions.
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  • Profile picture of the author mamadou
    Thank you! , Do you use the Captcha Sniper with MS as well ? or it's not recommended as alex stated in the MS's option ?

    Can we just pass the Captcha to Captcha Sniper if not solved then pass it to other captcha solving services ? is that possible in MS & GSA ?
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  • Profile picture of the author mamadou
    Yeah, It will be a great feature if Alex add it to MS. Thanks for your help.
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    • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
      Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

      I've been researching people who use automated tools such as automated submitter. They use tiered campaigns to rank websites.

      Now, every tutorial/information i have read regarding magic submitter says that you have to spin articles to submit everywhere.

      Why do people do this? Do they really think that Google is unable to detect spun material? Surely syndicated content (not spinning) would provide the same results?

      Does anyone use Magic Submitter and NOT spin any articles to get results?
      Yes, that's correct they really think Google is unable to detect CORRECTLY spun material.

      Some people think spinning is "Replace Everyone's Favorites" and then they wonder why their site tanks.

      Google can detect if you replace a bunch of synonyms. IF you spin PROPERLY it's undetectable. This means spinning paragraphs, sentences (conveying similar ideas with different words), phrases, words, punctuation (commas, periods, semicolons), line breaks, html (bold, italics, header, underline), misspellings, images, and videos... including file names, hosting location, sizes, positions, etc.



      Originally Posted by Iamcap View Post

      Exactly, spun content is, no matter how you want to put it, spam. Google omits the same content over loads of pages in their ranking because they don't want to show the same content over and over. Spinning is a method that tries to get around that, in other words, Google doesn't like it and will obviously throw a big update tackling it at some point.

      Do you write posts and use that to syndicate in your magic submitter campaigns? In other words, do you submit the same article to all those directories, web 2.0s, etc in your backlinking MS campaign?

      And more importantly, see results?

      Wrong. Drop the mantra please. I spin all ALL my articles on Tier 1. If I sent you one of my articles you would be able to read it from start to finish 100% and it would make sense.

      Not only that but after generating hundreds of copies it would pass dupe filters with flying colors.

      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      Are your "spins" designed for human consumption ? Would someone read it from start to finish without wanting to dig their eyes out ? If your answer is no to those two questions, then you're a spammer. Sorry.

      If you can honestly say yes, then you're not a spammer. In which case, I'll say why not write an original article to begin with. It should be roughly the same time and effort.
      My spins are for human consumption on Tier 1. They are 100% readable and I'll tell you why not write an original article.

      It takes me 6-8 hours from start to finish to spin a 500 word article the RIGHT way.

      In about 8 hours working non stop at top speed lets say 30 minutes an article (usually takes me longer because I'd rather research a bit) that would allow me to generate 16 articles.

      In that same amount of time I can create a spin that will allow me to generate hundreds, if not thousands of articles while maintaining around 90% uniqueness.

      Time is money, so it makes a whole lot of sense. Spinning the right way will literally drive you nuts as it's mind numbing soul crushing work, but it's well worth it. Imagine the cost of 1,000 readable articles? And yep all my spins are 100% readable and make sense. They don't sound like a college paper, they won't win any medals, but they are readable and do make sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author mamadou
        Originally Posted by twilightofidols View Post

        IF you spin PROPERLY it's undetectable. This means spinning paragraphs, sentences (conveying similar ideas with different words), phrases, words, punctuation (commas, periods, semicolons), line breaks, html (bold, italics, header, underline), misspellings, images, and videos... including file names, hosting location, sizes, positions, etc.
        +1 , And you can use Ultra Spinnable Articles to get the job done VERY professionally in no time.

        Yes , these articles don't pass dupe checks like copyscape but I don't care since my Articles ( with my links ) get archived by Google all the time. I was using unique Articles written by myself and recently I switched to Ultra Spinnable Articles and I can't see no difference in indexing rates. I check my backlinks using "Inspyder Backlinks Monitor" though.
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        • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
          Originally Posted by mamadou View Post

          +1 , And you can use Ultra Spinnable Articles to get the job done VERY professionally in no time.

          Yes , these articles don't pass dupe checks like copyscape but I don't care since my Articles ( with my links ) get archived by Google all the time. I was using unique Articles written by myself and recently I switched to Ultra Spinnable Articles and I can't see no difference in indexing rates. I check my backlinks using "Inspyder Backlinks Monitor" though.
          Great piece of advice. I've been hesitant to Ultra Spinnable Articles because I have no idea how many people are exhausting the same resources over and over again.

          Even ultra-spun articles have a shelf-life. I stop using the same ultra-spin when I start finding dupes in copyscape. Then I start working on a new one. Considering I'm the only person in the world with this particular spun version, I can imagine the copyscape failure rates are high with that particular service.

          What matters though is that they are passing juice and getting indexed so that's good. I err on the side of absolute OCD paranoia when it comes to these sort of things. I write my own ultra spun articles as though I were anticipating the Polar Bear of 2014 that wipes out half the web sites on the internet if ya know what I mean? I don't cut corners. I just recently hired a VA to help me with the process.
          Too many people don't plan ahead for Google's next move, I mean did people really not see this EMD update coming from a mile away?

          I've been considered purchasing Inspyder for some time. Do you feel it's a worthy investment? Other than checking indexing rates which I can do with scrapebox how has it helped your overall strategy?
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          • Profile picture of the author mamadou
            Well I got to tell you this , If you check the Ultra Spinnable Articles (USA) for duplicates you will find it 100% NON unique ( I use plagtracker.com though ..it's the only free accurate plag tool I found ). With the Premium USA most of the time you will not come across a full duplicate paragraph somewhere, but expect to find between 800 and 2000 exact match sentences all over the web!. But the Articles get indexed anyway so I don't care about uniqueness for now. But I would say your strategy is much safer specially for future G updates and we all know that they will come sooner or later. I was wondering if you can help me find a good VA who makes a decent super spun article ? and how much does it cost you though ?


            Regarding Inspyder Backlinks monitor ...I think it's a must have tool for anyone who deal with multi-tier link building. You simply open a project for each keyword or set of related keywords and feed the program with the new backlinks coming every day or week. One click you organize the links and remove duplicates , after you finish checking them with one click you will remove the dead links ( that includes the broken tier 2/3/4 links...the one that don't have a link to your site at the top of it's structure!) you get all the information you need ( Domain PR , Actual page rank , OBLs on page , IP ). Then I use the selection tool to select only valuable links ( exact match Anchor text , Domain PR 3+ , OBLs no more than 5 or 10 at the most , Dofollow , indexed ) then I grab these links and build a LOT of powerful backlinks to them. This strategy is working so well to boost your ranking to the top 3 spots in the big G.

            Building a lot of tier 1 links will help you get to page one ( most of the time) but concentrating on the POWERFUL tier one links and building backlinks to them will get you to the top 3 spots ( if you already have a good ranking like page 2 or so).

            So , definitely it's worth every penny , It's only 74$ one time fee and you can even schedule automatically checks with it and it will even send you an email to let you know about the broken/deleted links! (specially the valuable ones that you monitor) so you can replace them asap.
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            • Profile picture of the author heavysm
              Geez, so much worry over spun content. When I create my tier one web 2.0's I just use one high quality non-spun article. And I'm talking for like 50+ properties for a single article. Some from old projects are pr 1 and 2's now (I link to them of course). So I don't see much use in worrying about any sort of penalty with that. I've seen amazing results pre and post ALL big g updates.
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              • Profile picture of the author mamadou
                Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

                Geez, so much worry over spun content. When I create my tier one web 2.0's I just use one high quality non-spun article. And I'm talking for like 50+ properties for a single article. Some from old projects are pr 1 and 2's now (I link to them of course). So I don't see much use in worrying about any sort of penalty with that. I've seen amazing results pre and post ALL big g updates.
                That is what I used to do everyday but let me tell you this it's a pain in the neck!. You have to write everyday to get your program going, if you wake up in a morning and you don't feel like writing then you will not do your work and you will shut your PC down!. Also if you buy your Articles then it will be more expensive though.

                One more down side is the indexation rate for this strategy is not that good. I found that using Super spun well written readable content is the most convenient way for link building tools and the indexation rate is much better as well.
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    The Magic Submitter instructer recommends high quality spun to over 80%
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO results
    Many people assume that a spun article equals a crappy article. If you're scraping content and spinning it you're in serious jeopardy of getting hammered by Google at some point.

    BUT, if have a unique article written and manually spun in the 200% to 400% range using sentence, word, and nested you're in good shape and really won't run into any "Google" issues. Plus you have to learn how to use the software whether that be MS or SeNuke or whatever. You can write your own articles and still get penalized if you use the software irresponsibly.

    I've always experienced the best results with MS. There are some extra tweaks that I do to totally randomize every aspect of link building, not just the content.
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    • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
      Yes 100% agreed. Spun article is an essential element at determining your success rate no matter what submission tool you use like SEnuke, Ultimate Demon or Magic Submitter.

      What I normally do for my backlinks campaign using MS, I would generate 3-4 articles from Article Builder with the same length and sentence and then spun them at word level. I also added spun images and spun youtube video for blog 2.0 and wordpress blog submission.

      Manual spun is very tedious work and when done correctly it's really worth it. You can use for autoblogging as well by using tool like Article Builder.

      That's briefly my current practice using Magic Submitter to build backlinks and Article Builder for content generation. Feel free to visit my blog and watch my personal video on how I do it. Video 5 - Promotion

      I hope you can comment and advice me if I have any room for improvement at my backlinks campaign. Your advice and comment are highly appreciated.

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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by SEO results View Post

      Many people assume that a spun article equals a crappy article.
      Because they are crap. Spun articles suck hard, long, and deep.
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      • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
        Spun content is crap for people to read but not as content for backlinks..
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO results
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Because they are crap. Spun articles suck hard, long, and deep.
        "Crappy articles that are spun really suck." Oh...I just spun your spin on crappy articles.:p
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      • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Because they are crap. Spun articles suck hard, long, and deep.
        Crappy spun articles are crap I agree, and even well spun articles are probably better used to backlinks. But the articles from the link below are really well spun, but even the developer says some versions should only be used as backlinks and not on your money site, although he did give examples of the spun articles generating traffic. The testimonials on the page shows a lot of satisfied customers. If I would use them on a money site I would rewrite and edit it first though.

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        • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
          Originally Posted by thecableguy View Post

          Crappy spun articles are crap I agree, and even well spun articles are probably better used to backlinks. But the articles from the link below are really well spun, but even the developer says some versions should only be used as backlinks and not on your money site, although he did give examples of the spun articles generating traffic. The testimonials on the page shows a lot of satisfied customers. If I would use them on a money site I would rewrite and edit it first though.

          Better Than Private Label Rights -- Article Builder
          Agreed...article builder is a great resource to generate unique article with at least 75%...

          What I normally do with Article Builder is to get at least 3-4 articles with same length and the spun them manually..I also inserted spun youtube video and spun images to make it more unique before using Magic Submitter to submit to blog 2.0 and wordpress blog...

          Article builder is a great tool for autoblogging as well...whereby I use its resource box to put my own super spun article and set auto posting to my site...

          Feel free to visit my signature to see my video on how to do that...

          Any advice or comment is welcomed..
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    SPUN content is useless, it will NOT help you with anything, so there is no reason even to waste your time submitting your content to Article Directories...
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  • Profile picture of the author PanditaC
    I believe most people use spun content when using auto-submitter to link to the higher quality first tier submissions. For example, they write a few excellent articles and sumbmit them to high ranking article directories (like goarticles.com & ezines), create web 2.0 pages, & free blogs from WordPress, blogger, etc. They then spin versions of the original articles and mass submit to hundreds of directories and link back to their goarticle submissions etc. I think it depends on the individual using the spinner as to the quality of the article, not ideal, but some guys, like Pat Flynn for example, used this method to rank first page in a month and is still making a killing with the site. . . I don't judge.
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  • Profile picture of the author Iceware
    Just make sure that each article is different
    easy as that
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