Need More Information On Building Quality Back Links

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I was just reading a post that said that article submission does not work as well as it used to, and I assume they mean that submitting spun or syndicated articles to hundreds of auto approve article directories does not work as well as it used to, or that even the quality sites don't help as much.

My view is that nothing seems to work as well as it used to, but I'd say that a high quality article on Hub Pages, Ezine, Squidoo, Knoji, Yahoo Voices, eHow, etc has more effect than say blog commenting, directory submission, social bookmarking, forum signatures, profile links, or pretty much anything else that I've heard about.

The only thing that I think might work better than that is guest posting, (which I'm having trouble figuring out how to do), and social media shares to make the link profile seem natural.

Can people please share on this thread what exactly they do to get good rankings, like starting from scratch, and explaining the sites they use, and how they do it?

My approach is to make a page, or blog post, and then share it to my social connections on Facebook, Twitter, Google Plus, Linked In, and then write an article or five on the best sites I have access to, like Hub Pages, Yahoo Voices, Squidoo, Knoji, Info Barrel, and then make back links to those pages from like Triond and Typepad and Blogger and Wordpress.com.

It's not working as well as I would like, and paid blog posts aren't working so well, I need to get specific details of what people do that works.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Ac
    Hy.

    What you must understand is that everything that work before is still working but you must make some adjustment.

    The first thing that you must understand is that now days you must things look as natural as possible. A way to achieve that is using anchor text variation, and forget about building all your backlinks with 1-2 kw.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    Well .. getting backlinks from your competitors will work well. Can you imagine what will happen if out of the top 30 results for a specific query 10 - 12 results link to you?

    Now, this comes second .. but have you analyzed the top 20 results for the query you want to rank for? You can use open site explorer and ahrefs to get the backlinks.

    Now, my bet is they don't have any backlinks from the usual suspects you mentioned in your post.

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  • Profile picture of the author seoposter
    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    The only thing that I think might work better than that is guest posting, (which I'm having trouble figuring out how to do), and social media shares to make the link profile seem natural.
    This video from SEOmoz might help you gain more understanding on the guest posting topic. I am seeing this video every time I need a refresher on guest blogging, so you might as well benefit from it. Guest Blogging Strategies - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz
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    • Profile picture of the author Snatch
      Originally Posted by seoposter View Post

      This video from SEOmoz might help you gain more understanding on the guest posting topic. I am seeing this video every time I need a refresher on guest blogging, so you might as well benefit from it. Guest Blogging Strategies - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz
      Great video thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    Yeah. I'm trying to run an SEO campaign for this site that's not mine. That's not what I usually do, and I realize that I'm not quite as good at it as I thought, or things have changed since I thought I was good at it. I've been learning SEO for four years, but as soon as I think I know what it is, it changes. If I can't get some concrete examples of what works, how would I trust any SEO expert who says that they know what works, when I thought I was an SEO expert myself, until Google changed the algorithms again.

    I analyzed one of the competitors for the search I'm trying to rank this site for, and there were thousands of links. A lot of them from the same domains, probably a blog or forum or website that they had set up to make links to themselves.

    I was using the SEO Spyglass tool from SEO Powersuite, but I don't like that, anyone got a better way of checking back links for a Mac computer, for free?

    Can anyone be a bit more specific about what steps I should take to help this site rank, that's not going to take more money or more time than the hundred a month they're giving me?

    I need a more specific plan of action for how to rank a site. I would ask if there were any affordable SEO services that work, that I could buy cheap, but I'm asking the people selling them, and I don't know what they're going to do, so I want to know what are the things that I should ask them about how they do what they're going to do, if I was going to buy something.

    It's hard enough with just my site, and if I can't get any straight answers, my thoughts are do the other things that was working like I made a few You Tube videos that are doing well for that site.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      how would I trust any SEO expert who says that they know what works, when I thought I was an SEO expert myself, until Google changed the algorithms again.
      Not sure why you thought you were an SEO expert.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I was using the SEO Spyglass tool from SEO Powersuite, but I don't like that, anyone got a better way of checking back links for a Mac computer, for free?
      I'm not sure why you do not like SpyGlass, but it gives you far more valuable and actionable information than any other backlink checker out there.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      Can anyone be a bit more specific about what steps I should take to help this site rank, that's not going to take more money or more time than the hundred a month they're giving me?
      I do not know the keyword or market involved, but I really do not think you can do effective SEO for $100/month. My honest advice would be to refund them their money and suggest they hire someone that does SEO for a living.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I need a more specific plan of action for how to rank a site. I would ask if there were any affordable SEO services that work, that I could buy cheap, but I'm asking the people selling them, and I don't know what they're going to do, so I want to know what are the things that I should ask them about how they do what they're going to do, if I was going to buy something.
      For one thing, I would stop relying on social media for rankings. I've had this argument with you before, but social media will directly impact your rankings about as much as wishes and prayers will.

      The same thing that has always worked for SEO still works today: high quality in-context links from pages with high PR. They generally take time and/or money to acquire.
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      • Both article marketing and guest posting provide great results in terms of SEO and link building. As long as you write high quality content and submit it to reputable sites like EzineArticles and HubPages or popular blogs that allow guest posting, you will be satisfied with the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        I do not know the keyword or market involved, but I really do not think you can do effective SEO for $100/month. My honest advice would be to refund them their money and suggest they hire someone that does SEO for a living.
        LOL ..... Mike, Why don't you tell us what you really think?
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I guess I should try to find a site that allows guest posts related to "skin whitening products" the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I had a list of health related blogs that accept guest posts, but it all seems like such hard work.

    The site Tonique Skin Care is stuck at no. 13, two places from the first page of "skin whitening products". My next plan of action I think is to make some more pages that link to it from varying link text, make more back links to the back links from varying link text, try to get a couple of guest posts published, make back links to the inner pages, and hopefully that should work.

    I would only call myself an amateur SEO expert, because I've been writing every day for the last four years, and I have tried my best to learn how to get my stuff on Google.

    I still keep that at the front of my mind, but I personally get more traffic from social media to my site, on any particular day I can be bothered tweeting and stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I guess I should try to find a site that allows guest posts related to "skin whitening products" the keyword I'm trying to rank for. I had a list of health related blogs that accept guest posts, but it all seems like such hard work.
      I would spend some time evaluating any blogs to guest post on. Many of the ones that advertise that they accept guest posts are garbage. They are garbage because they accept so many of them, often with little moderation. I have found it to be much more effective to contact webmasters in the niche or related niche for opportunities. I generally avoid the sites that advertise that they accept guest posts. They are often little more than an article dump. For example, it looks like someone has been posting to this site...

      Rick Lee Cycling Coach Articles : Rick Lee Forum.Com

      Trash.

      And of course it is hard work. Why do so many people think that internet marketing is easy? I work more hours now than back when I had a "real" job.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      The site Tonique Skin Care is stuck at no. 13, two places from the first page of "skin whitening products".
      Which means it is still 10 places away from getting any real traffic.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      My next plan of action I think is to make some more pages that link to it from varying link text, make more back links to the back links from varying link text, try to get a couple of guest posts published, make back links to the inner pages, and hopefully that should work.
      The quality of their links needs to be improved. Just running it through SpyGlass really quick I only see 1 link on a page with actual PR. That 1 link is on Twitter, so that is virtually useless for ranking. Everything else is PR 0 or PR n/a pages.

      I'm surprised this site is even ranking at #13. The backlink profile is atrocious.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I would only call myself an amateur SEO expert
      And I sincerely hope you portrayed yourself as an amateur to this client before they hired you for the job, although I am not sure they would have hired you if you told them that.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      , because I've been writing every day for the last four years, and I have tried my best to learn how to get my stuff on Google.
      I workout almost everyday. Doesn't mean I am qualified to be someone's personal trainer.

      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      I still keep that at the front of my mind, but I personally get more traffic from social media to my site, on any particular day I can be bothered tweeting and stuff.
      The problem with social media traffic is it rarely converts to sales. It is great for keeping in touch with existing clients and getting some return business. It is much less effective for pulling in new customers in most niches.

      If I sound harsh... oh well. I take personal offense to people taking on SEO jobs and then running to forums for all the answers.

      I get people on Skype all the time asking me how to rank their clients. I feel bad for the clients because they are being misled to believe they are working with someone good at what they claim to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
        Google doesn't provide all the answers to everyone, every time they do an algorithm update, so when it happens, you have to talk with other people, and find out what they are doing that is working, and look for ways to provide better value for money, and help each other out, so you can all do better.

        When something like Panda or Penguin happens, I don't think there was any real SEO expert anywhere who wasn't asking questions, and looking for advice and feedback from more than just themselves and their sites.

        I was hoping for someone to tell me something like how to get or make a PR 1 or PR 2 link from a relevant site, rather than tell me I don't have any yet, and say that was not much good.

        I was honest about my SEO credentials to the client, it's the first one I've done, and believe me, I did make big progress, as before, they were only ranking for "natural skin whitening products" and nothing else, and they weren't even at the top of the first page for that, so I'm not taking them backwards, and as somebody else said, I would need more money per month to get faster or better results, but it has been a positive change, as I aim to look natural to Google in what I'm doing for them, and especially not send them backwards in rankings.

        Again, not looking for more comments that are so vague as to be not saying anything at all, need specifics, like here are some free press release sites, (with a list of free press release sites, I use prlog.org), or here is a list of good quality article writing sites, or here's exactly what I do, or a bit more specific.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

          I was hoping for someone to tell me something like how to get or make a PR 1 or PR 2 link from a relevant site, rather than tell me I don't have any yet, and say that was not much good.

          Again, not looking for more comments that are so vague as to be not saying anything at all, need specifics, like here are some free press release sites, (with a list of free press release sites, I use prlog.org), or here is a list of good quality article writing sites, or here's exactly what I do, or a bit more specific.
          Fine.

          Are they in Best of the Web yet? They should be. I think it is $135 right now. Get them in there. Have they been submitted to DMoz? If not, submit them.

          Have you searched for niche specific directories to get them into yet? Find ones where the page that they will show up on actually has a PR and is not overrun with a ton of other links already.

          Make a list of 200-300 related sites. Get the contact information for all of them either through their site or WhoIs information. Contact each site owner for guest posting or other link opportunities.

          Start cleaning up the backlink profile and get rid of as much of the trash as you can. Some of their backlinks look like they are on really low quality blog network sites. If you can get rid of those, great.

          Do not submit press releases just to submit a press release. If they have something useful to release a press release about, then do it. And if they do, I would do a paid press release, not the free ones.

          Article sites are pretty much worthless for building rankings in anything but a very keyword with almost no competition. I would not waste much time with those.

          Since budget is an issue, buying a handful of sites with PR to link off of is out of the question. The cheaper, but less effective and more time consuming method, would be to build a few Web 2.0 sites to link off of. Make them good though. Multiple articles. Only link to their site in maybe 1 out of every 3 articles. Build links to the Web 2.0 sites to increase their authority.

          I would also get rid of the "EzineArticles Expert" badge on their site. 99.99999% of their market has no idea what Ezine is. It is an unnecessary link. Unnecessary links bleed pagerank.

          That's where I would start.
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  • MikeFriedman hit the nail on the head.
    You can't rely on social media for ranking your site.
    Platforms like G+ or FB don't provide much SEO juice.
    Some traffic yes..but not much GLove.

    We have found that the trifecta works pretty well.
    Quality content to post. Submit to the sites.
    Turn it into a pdf, post to directories.
    Make a PPT file submit those.
    Take the PPT and make a movie, submit those.

    Bottom line. Set expectations with your client.
    Let them know the main site will take time.
    But you will have great content and "touch points" all over the interwebs.
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  • Profile picture of the author samaustin141
    Building quality back links
    1.Create unique and quality content according your keywords.
    2.Use that content,post it across various article directories, social media sites etc.
    3.Than use blog comments, forum profiles, and more to link to those articles/posts establishing linking wheel that will bring quality juice back to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    yeah dude...as far as your question for getting backlinks.....

    While it may be true that nothing online works like it used to....because things on the internet change on a monthly basis.....getting links from article directories...and web 2.0 sites...is still a good backlinking strategy.

    Simply because....on article directory sites...your articles will get picked up and placed on other sites ..which will contain your link in your resouce box..which consequently give you more...diversified links..back from all over the web to your site.

    This is what google wants and is looking for. So who ever said it doesn't work anymore...well doesn't know what they're talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I submitted them to DMOZ, haven't found out if it was approved yet, suggested they try the Yahoo Directory, but price was an issue, might try suggesting that one if it's good. I will tell them to get rid of the Ezine Articles Expert badge, and from what I can gather, the best thing I could probably do is set up a blog or even a hosted blog or two or three, to make proper back links to the site, from a relevant domain name, but also use it to link to the other back links and pages I've made as well, and make back links to that site.

    I think the only thing I can tell them is that I sort of know what to do, but it will take a lot more work than they're paying me, and I may need to hire someone, although I guess I could just do the whole thing gradually over time.

    Oh yeah, and I've stopped using Buy Blog Reviews, it didn't seem to be working.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Yeah, not a big fan of bought reviews. Just seems like a trashy industry to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Rowanman I will tell you what I would tell anyone looking to get into the SEO business -

    Don't start offering SEO services at a low price when you don't know what you are doing

    A) if you start there you will tend to stay there
    B) you lower the quality of the industry that you are getting into
    C) It will not be worth the time and effort you put in over ranking your own sites first
    D) you will establish a track record in Black hat not white or grey where the real money is.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowanman28
    I'm definitely not black hat SEO, in fact I thought the things I was doing was really white hat. I've written most of these articles myself, like dozens of them, 500 words long, with good English, in a link pyramid, also linking out to Wikipedia, and of highest quality. The "grey hat" thing I did was use Buy Blog Reviews. I wouldn't do that again, as it didn't work anyway. There are still people offering Fiverr gigs for Xrumer blast of 1,000 back links and .edu links from spammed to death forums, so I can't say that what I'm doing is lowering the quality of the SEO industry. But, you are right, I don't have the qualifications to call myself a legitimate SEO expert, and I would say that over 50% of the people calling themselves SEO experts know less than me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Retziki
    Start cleaning up the backlink profile and get rid of as much of the trash as you can. Some of their backlinks look like they are on really low quality blog network sites. If you can get rid of those, great.

    Do not submit press releases just to submit a press release. If they have something useful to release a press release about, then do it. And if they do, I would do a paid press release, not the free ones.

    Article sites are pretty much worthless for building rankings in anything but a very keyword with almost no competition. I would not waste much time with those.

    Since budget is an issue, buying a handful of sites with PR to link off of is out of the question. The cheaper, but less effective and more time consuming method, would be to build a few Web 2.0 sites to link off of. Make them good though. Multiple articles. Only link to their site in maybe 1 out of every 3 articles. Build links to the Web 2.0 sites to increase their authority.

    I would also get rid of the "EzineArticles Expert" badge on their site. 99.99999% of their market has no idea what Ezine is. It is an unnecessary link. Unnecessary links bleed pagerank.

    That's where I would start.

    I 've just learned, from a single post, more about SEO than i had from the magik-super-duper-holy-grail-of-seo WSOs i red latelly.
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  • Profile picture of the author 102drive
    I can help out with SEO if you are in need of building quality back links...let me know. My skype ID is reebokforthree.
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