New Algo Update Targeting Low-Quality Exact Match Domains

by retsek
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https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/251784203597910016

Glad they're doing something about those thin 5-page exact match crap, that certain people are calling quality.

New exact-match domain (EMD) algo affects 0.6% of English-US queries to a noticeable degree. Unrelated to Panda/Penguin. [link]
Don't be fooled by that 0.6% figure. That's percent of searches, not percent of websites.

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http://searchengineland.com/low-qual...-target-134889
#algo #domains #exact #lowquality #match #targeting #update
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Do you smell that?

    I think a lot of small time affiliate marketers just crapped their pants.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    LMAO at all the EMDs.

    Tried to tell people, brand it & forget the EMDs.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      LMAO at all the EMDs.

      Tried to tell people, brand it & forget the EMDs.
      You and me both man. The EMD zealots would just shout me down.
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    • How your EMDs doing? Are your "*download*" EMD sites still ranking or got hit with new algo?

      I think you should also tell this to people!!

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      LMAO at all the EMDs.

      Tried to tell people, brand it & forget the EMDs.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by ecommercevisibility View Post

        How your EMDs doing? Are your "*download*" EMD sites still ranking or got hit with new algo?

        I think you should also tell this to people!!

        Lol, I build real sites for traffic, not EMDs for bots.

        Anything else the people would like to know?
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        • Come on Yukon! Please tell the truth man. You are a senior guy here and it is expected to tell the truth (It is not a typo - I mean what I say).

          But the real problem with senior guys is when they lose the rankings they never tell and accept. Only newbies scream.

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Lol, I build real sites for traffic, not EMDs for bots.

          Anything else the people would like to know?
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by ecommercevisibility View Post

            Come on Yukon! Please tell the truth man. You are a senior guy here and it is expected to tell the truth (It is not a typo - I mean what I say).

            But the real problem with senior guys is when they lose the rankings they never tell and accept. Only newbies scream.

            Whatever your smoking must be some good stuff.

            My rankings are solid, I don't see any changes.

            The real problem is people on this forum are looking for an easy way to make a quick buck (EMDs). Everyone on this forum has been told 100s/1,000s of times to stop playing around & depending on EMDs (that was never real SEO).

            Looking at my competition right now, one guys EMD is still holding solid, then again his site has 1,200 indexed pages & solid backlinks, so personally, I don't see a single change in the SERPs & that also goes for my sites (non-EMD <--- READ THAT!).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    This will be interesting for me. I have 1 competition that built an EMD for a good traffic keyword, it's the guys 2nd site. He has decent links on the EMD, so I wonder what will happen, will decent links trump an EMD slap. He also has 1,200 pages on the EMD site.

    I wonder If G will be counting pages per domain to justify If an EMD will take a hit, or not take a hit.
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    • Profile picture of the author d0de
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      This will be interesting for me. I have 1 competition that built an EMD for a good traffic keyword, it's the guys 2nd site. He has decent links on the EMD, so I wonder what will happen, will decent links trump an EMD slap. He also has 1,200 pages on the EMD site.

      I wonder If G will be counting pages per domain to justify If an EMD will take a hit, or not take a hit.
      It sounds to me less like there will be an "EMD slap" for low-quality EMDs, and more that low-quality EMDs will simply not benefit from the EMD bonus.

      In other words, a low quality EMD will rank just as it would if it had a different domain but the same content and link profile.
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      • Profile picture of the author BillyBacklinks
        Originally Posted by d0de View Post

        It sounds to me less like there will be an "EMD slap" for low-quality EMDs, and more that low-quality EMDs will simply not benefit from the EMD bonus.

        In other words, a low quality EMD will rank just as it would if it had a different domain but the same content and link profile.
        That's how I interpret it too, time will tell though.
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      • Profile picture of the author braincandy7
        Exactly. They are not going to slap down an EMD just because it is an EMD. If it has decent content and more than a few pages there is no reason google would have a problem with the site. They are referring to 4-5 page sites with only one page of original content.

        Originally Posted by d0de View Post

        It sounds to me less like there will be an "EMD slap" for low-quality EMDs, and more that low-quality EMDs will simply not benefit from the EMD bonus.

        In other words, a low quality EMD will rank just as it would if it had a different domain but the same content and link profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Woolard
    I have 4 unrelated EMD's, all similiar ages (2-4 months).

    Had plans for them later down the road as two of them are "2014+search term" and they could have been big in 2013, 2014.

    Not much movement on them so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Woolard
    Interestingly my 10 review pages which all use the name of the product in the H1 and the end of the URL got hit pretty hard on one of my websites...
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  • Profile picture of the author paullrob
    If you are paying attention to the direction has been going these last two years.... every update is hitting a spicific kind of site....

    Basically they are trying to eliminate all keyword snipper sites. So I hate that they are targeting exact match domains, I am glad it forced me into building bigger sites. Turns out they are easier, safer and cheaper to make money with.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    I posted earlier that some exact-match micro niche competitors to my large site were seemingly gone, but I checked another browser from a new IP, and they're still there. Also sites with strong links seem not affected.

    Gonna wait until fully rolled out, before analyzing further. I think this update started yesterday though. MozCast had a high of 80.
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  • Profile picture of the author d0de
    A tiny EMD I set up as my first ever microsite just got hit by a low orbit ion cannon. Turned down an offer to buy it last week. Oh well, live and learn
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I don't think they are going to slap EMD's as much as dial back any ranking bonus the domain name was giving it. They are just going to start more or less ignoring EMD's would be my guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I don't think they are going to slap EMD's as much as dial back any ranking bonus the domain name was giving it. They are just going to start more or less ignoring EMD's would be my guess.
      This would probably make the most sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author dcary13
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        This would probably make the most sense.
        No, thats not was happens - they use it as a signal and add a malus.

        If the EMD thingy triggers, it adds a malus to your site instead of ignore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Oh and if this is really effective its not just sites that will go down. There are a whole load of crappy SEOs that built there business and WSOs on showing exact match domains ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Oh and if this is really effective its not just sites that will go down. There are a whole load of crappy SEOs that built there business and WSOs on showing exact match domains ranking.
      I would LOVE it!

      Finally justice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
    Holy Crap.. I am loving this update so far. Nothing has dropped and quite a few pages have increased quite well especially where I was already aware of tons of crap sites in front.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNAWRealm
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    One of my EMD domains got slapped recently (past week), possibly this is why. I'm not too sure why though. The content is all 1-3k words per post, all unique etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    If they do this right and it works the way it is supposed to, this is so freaking overdue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If they do this right and it works the way it is supposed to, this is so freaking overdue.
      I can say based on some sites that I was competing against, this update has been crushing.
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    • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If they do this right and it works the way it is supposed to, this is so freaking overdue.
      Key phrase being "works the way it is supposed to"
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      • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
        Do low-quality EMD mean all EMD micro niche sites or only sites with low quality?
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        • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
          Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

          Do low-quality EMD mean all EMD micro niche sites or only sites with low quality?
          Too early to tell what Google deems to be low quality. If this is a major update then the forum will be flooded very soon with people sharing their interpretations of what this update targeted and you will be able to piece things together from that info.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    "OMG I R SO EXCITED I TOLD ALL YOU SOO I R GREAT SEO"

    lol do some of you guys actually get off on hearing yourself say I told you so on here and celebrating peoples sites getting shot down

    So what about all the non exact match domains sniping keywords...or domains with pages sniping keywords... Ive personally always found it easier to make a strong domain related to a niche and target keywords with pages, not the url so not sure what its really solving with good black hat seos
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

      "OMG I R SO EXCITED I TOLD ALL YOU SOO I R GREAT SEO"

      lol do some of you guys actually get off on hearing yourself say I told you so on here and celebrating peoples sites getting shot down

      OMG extra Gawd Like Becker Your sooooo coool. Just being anti to all the I told ya so SEos makes you da man. You like a boyz in the hood outside the hood and you like rank in 24 hours exact like um everytime. When we all grow up we want to be just like you. lol

      any way no we get happy when the trash gets taken out because frank and honest it makes thing easier and um the rank in 24 hours everytime crew has one less tool to fool the newbies with thats all.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

      lol do some of you guys actually get off on hearing yourself say I told you so on here and celebrating peoples sites getting shot down
      I know I do.

      What's funny is people still do dumb things even after being told not to do them.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Hopefully they hit spun articles next. That will really help clean up the search results.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      Hopefully they hit spun articles next. That will really help clean up the search results.
      Impossible to hit spun content as long as the text is relevant. Just saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    My Labrador Retriever site, that I was building up on a daily basis also got crushed. Not sure if I should give it a few days for the update to sort itself out or what. My domain was not an emd but was deffo very breed specific.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

      Do low-quality EMD mean all EMD micro niche sites or only sites with low quality?
      This sounds to me like a quality issue

      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      [SIZE=2]My Labrador Retriever site, that I was building up on a daily basis also got crushed.
      The good news is that that site will not be hard to reproduce but I would go with a wider site about dogs than just doing a labrador retriever site
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    Which, in a horrible twist of irony, is what I was thinking of doing lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    As far as why I was hit, the information on my site was quality in my opinion, and if google are unable to determine the difference between spun content that is on topic and original work, then it leads me to the conclusion that my domain was too EMD ish?
    I Love Labrador Retrievers .com was my domain name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      As far as why I was hit, the information on my site was quality in my opinion, and if google are unable to determine the difference between spun content that is on topic and original work, then it leads me to the conclusion that my domain was too EMD ish?
      I Love Labrador Retrievers .com was my domain name.
      People made a big deal about the EXACT domain match but as far as I can see I think Google will devalue domains in the name. It doesn't have to be exact.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      As far as why I was hit, the information on my site was quality in my opinion, and if google are unable to determine the difference between spun content that is on topic and original work, then it leads me to the conclusion that my domain was too EMD ish?
      I Love Labrador Retrievers .com was my domain name.
      It's too early to know for sure If you were hit by this algo. update.

      Did you check SERPs outside of the US (Australia, Canada, etc...)?
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    ya as far as I can tell im a gonner.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      ya as far as I can tell im a gonner.
      Are you saying all your keywords that are on the EMD have dropped (all pages/keywords), or just the EMD keyword/Index-page?
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  • Profile picture of the author greatestmj
    Has the update happened? I can see some changes around.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by greatestmj View Post

      Has the update happened? I can see some changes around.
      I'd say it started yesterday, and will continue to roll-out over the weekend.
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  • Profile picture of the author manishak
    This is crazy! When you go to the hosting providers and search for domain names, you won't find a single exact matched domain. You need to sift through a lot of data and research a lot and then perhaps you'll find one. What does this indicate? This means that people have already bought those domains and are working on it. And so many of them are on the first page.

    Now what is low quality? Plagiarized content, crappy content, content that doesn't add value. As far as I am concerned I have over 36 movie reviews and about 6 relevant articles on my movies site - and they are all unique. Well, I have had some Amazon sales, which explains this fact! I hate plagiarism and ensure that none of my work is plagiarized. I have manually built links and done a bit of SEO also for 3 months. And if this is how Google awards us for all the hard work, its better I stop investing money in this field! Obviously there are no returns.

    In the last update one of my sites slipped, but funnily it gained a PR2. I don't want a PR2, I want them to recognize my hard work and send traffic? If they are looking for quality work, then my PR2 site on hair removal should get good traffic, if they are not looking for EMDs, then again my site should gain good position, which it already had in July.

    So what is it that Google is looking for? My reaction to this update - Google doesn't know what it wants OR maybe its my wrong stars!

    Totally Confused!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    dang wolfmmiii, you're quick on the ball. Updated WSO and all
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      dang wolfmmiii, you're quick on the ball. Updated WSO and all
      Well of course. I'd be dumb not to. I mean, it's the same WSO and all. Just different marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author smkiran
    Yes i am too confused over the last few updates by Google. What you think they slapped crappy sites by rolling panda and penguine? then search any term and see how many sites will return relevant to your search . youtube videos are poping up all over the pages and no body want to see a video if they are searching for information.

    Google getting crappy with un-relevant result shown in serp. And if Google want to slap affiliate sites then no one will provide quality content what they are said to be looking for.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by smkiran View Post

      Yes i am too confused over the last few updates by Google. What you think they slapped crappy sites by rolling panda and penguine? then search any term and see how many sites will return relevant to your search . youtube videos are poping up all over the pages and no body want to see a video if they are searching for information.

      Google getting crappy with un-relevant result shown in serp. And if Google want to slap affiliate sites then no one will provide quality content what they are said to be looking for.
      I do agree about Youtube bloating the SERPs I don't have any keywords with the Youtube problem, my brother has one keyword that the first non-Youtube page is at SERP position #27 (not a typo). The first 26 Google organic SERPs are all Youtube videos or Youtube pages, the keyword is from the education niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonathanleger
    Am I the only one seeing seoforum.net ranking for the phrase seo forum despite have zero content and almost no backlinks to speak of?

    And that for a keyword phrase that gets 60,500 searches a month (according to the AWKWT).

    So much for the "low quality" filter, 'eh?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by jonathanleger View Post

      Am I the only one seeing seoforum.net ranking for the phrase seo forum despite have zero content and almost no backlinks to speak of?

      And that for a keyword phrase that gets 60,500 searches a month (according to the AWKWT).

      So much for the "low quality" filter, 'eh?
      Give the algo a few days to roll out, settle, and get tweaked. You won't see the full effects for a few days.
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      • Profile picture of the author jonathanleger
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Give the algo a few days to roll out, settle, and get tweaked. You won't see the full effects for a few days.
        The fact that these kinds of results show up at all just demonstrates to me how far from its quality roots Google has come since the start of the year.
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    • Profile picture of the author dcary13
      Originally Posted by jonathanleger View Post

      Am I the only one seeing seoforum.net ranking for the phrase seo forum despite have zero content and almost no backlinks to speak of?

      And that for a keyword phrase that gets 60,500 searches a month (according to the AWKWT).

      So much for the "low quality" filter, 'eh?
      No, you are wrong here - that such a domain ranks is nothing new.

      Your mistake is to judge the domain by their current state.

      Lets say, warrior forum suffers from a DB crash and shows a "we down but working on it".

      Well, would it be ok from google to deindex then ASAP all warrior forum links?

      No, google assumes something strange and depending on the authority of the page it is losing pretty slowly ranks.

      Try to insert seoforum.net in the internet archive - you will see alot content in the years ago and its an aged domain.Thats why google is ranking the site still.
      Pretty stupid from the current owner not to setup any content. He would make
      some money.
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      • Profile picture of the author jonathanleger
        Originally Posted by dcary13 View Post

        No, you are wrong here - that such a domain ranks is nothing new.

        Your mistake is to judge the domain by their current state.

        Lets say, warrior forum suffers from a DB crash and shows a "we down but working on it".

        Well, would it be ok from google to deindex then ASAP all warrior forum links?

        No, google assumes something strange and depending on the authority of the page it is losing pretty slowly ranks.

        Try to insert seoforum.net in the internet archive - you will see alot content in the years ago and its an aged domain.Thats why google is ranking the site still.
        Pretty stupid from the current owner not to setup any content. He would make
        some money.
        Yeah, that is the point. The content is from early last year. The archive has nothing from this year. Google shows no indexed pages but the home page -- and yet it still ranks.

        I agree though, that the owner should have at least tried to monetize it some kind of way.
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      Originally Posted by jonathanleger View Post

      Am I the only one seeing seoforum.net ranking for the phrase seo forum despite have zero content and almost no backlinks to speak of?

      And that for a keyword phrase that gets 60,500 searches a month (according to the AWKWT).

      So much for the "low quality" filter, 'eh?
      Lol, good one!~

      If it has zero content then Google might not be able to determine the quality of it :p
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

      Hey guys, is it wise to redirect those little micro niche sites to a bigger site? For example, I create a bigger site about dogs, then I redirect my micro niche site (that got hurt) to an article on my big site?
      Hello Mike. I think that's a good strategy. Google changed the ability for those particular websites to rank easily for a specific term. However, they still have the keywords in the domain name. If they have decent links and you push them towards a targeted landing page that contain the same keywords, you will likely see a boost.
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      Yukon: Totally, totally gone.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

        Yukon: Totally, totally gone.
        This is just my opinion. I know everyone is in panic mode, but I wouldn't do anything drastic with the site.

        Work on ranking a 2nd internal page for the exact same keyword, the reason I say this is, you'll either rank a single new page, or you'll bounce back twice as strong as before the SERP drop for the same keyword/s.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          This is just my opinion. I know everyone is in panic mode, but I wouldn't do anything drastic with the site.

          Work on ranking a 2nd internal page for the exact same keyword, the reason I say this is, you'll either rank a single new page, or you'll bounce back twice as strong as before the SERP drop for the same keyword/s.
          When my sites got hit back in April, I was still bringing in a little traffic for the keywords I DIDN'T target. The keyword I overoptimized for the homepage ended up beyond #1,000 (originally #2), but the Penguin update then seemed to be very specific. The whole site wasn't gone, so I think you're right. Work on an inner page but do it smarter
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          • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
            What about the url ? ..I wonder if this will effect how pages that target one keyword will rank.. example of url .. http://website.com/keyword ..do you think Google will slap pages that contain the exact keyword in the url ?
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

              What about the url ? ..I wonder if this will effect how pages that target one keyword will rank.. example of url .. http://website.com/keyword ..do you think Google will slap pages that contain the exact keyword in the url ?
              Possibly. I have an admittedly lower-quality site I've been messing around with (very little content) that appears to have been hit. I'm doing some testing with it now to see if changing the titles around makes a difference.
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            • Profile picture of the author retsek
              Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

              What about the url ? ..I wonder if this will effect how pages that target one keyword will rank.. example of url .. http://website.com/keyword ..do you think Google will slap pages that contain the exact keyword in the url ?
              Nope. Those don't seem to be affected. It's about domains.
              For example, pages from domains like livestrong.com with exact match sub-directories are still ranking.

              I have to wonder about subdomains tho. -> exactmatchkeyword.wordpress.com
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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by retsek View Post

                Nope. Those don't seem to be affected. It's about domains.
                I'm not sure that's totally accurate yet. I know one of my low-quality non-EMD domains that used this strategy was hit heavily. I've seen other mentions of this happening as well.

                I suspect Google will dial it back somewhat in the coming days (usually what happens) but we'll see.
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    • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
      As others have said, u just never know.
      I had a what was becoming a quality site just wiped out yesterday and honestly, although I had planned on diversifying, I had not planned on doing it so soon. Not sure in my case if it was my domain name or not. It was not really a true EMD domain but maybe Google thought it was who knows.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Thought I'd shoot a hello, it's been a while.

    Nothing has affected me at all. And now I'm just REALLY focusing on my on-page, adding "silo" structure, and doing whatever it takes to bring down the bounce rate.

    I learned my mistakes (still learning) a long time ago, Paulgl was a big help. I read a lot of his posts. Spot on I must say. I had a site called howtogetgirls_ _ _ _.com at that time lolol. And that site fell far beyond hell with all the algorithms. I'm sure if it were still alive a couple days ago, it would have been COMPLETELY dead with this algo ;P.

    Now I just focus on brand names and BUILD from there.

    Alright, I'm off to bed. Peace everyone!
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Thought I'd shoot a hello, it's been a while.

      Nothing has affected me at all. And now I'm just REALLY focusing on my on-page, adding "silo" structure, and doing whatever it takes to bring down the bounce rate.

      I learned my mistakes (still learning) a long time ago, Paulgl was a big help. I read a lot of his posts. Spot on I must say. I had a site called howtogetgirls_ _ _ _.com at that time lolol. And that site fell far beyond hell with all the algorithms. I'm sure if it were still alive a couple days ago, it would have been COMPLETELY dead with this algo ;P.

      Now I just focus on brand names and BUILD from there.

      Alright, I'm off to bed. Peace everyone!
      Gadget store and stuff ehh?
      I'm in the same boat and target my stuff from inner pages. Still works...will always!
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Oranges View Post

        Gadget store and stuff ehh?
        I'm in the same boat and target my stuff from inner pages. Still works...will always!
        Shhh ! Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Oranges
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          Shhh ! Thanks
          Aight....................................!
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        • Profile picture of the author tryingtolearn
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          Shhh ! Thanks
          How many visitors you are getting at your gadget store and stuff site recently? I learned a lot from your Amazon success thread which is now closed, but, was really resourceful.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

            How many visitors you are getting at your gadget store and stuff site recently? I learned a lot from your Amazon success thread which is now closed, but, was really resourceful.
            Goes up and down. 150-170 then to 50-70 and then it goes up again.

            During the 50-70 is when I stopped creating new content. So...that's what I'm doing .

            Also could be the Google dance. I don't even care about visitors. I just care about converting.


            About 50 percent conversion rate (NOT purchased), and then out of that 50 percent maybe 3-7 percent converts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Thought I'd shoot a hello, it's been a while.

      !
      NO it hasn't. It was like a week or two you said you were leaving. I am calling your girl right now. You sad little gg . Blew it all just to hang out with some SEO types on an IM forum. Phffft. The wedding is off. The rock on the ring was too small anyway. Like Michael Jackson said - "the girl is mine, the doggone is mine".
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        NO it hasn't. It was like a week or two you said you were leaving. I am calling your girl right now. You sad little gg . Blew it all just to hang out with some SEO types on an IM forum. Phffft. The wedding is off. The rock on the ring was too small anyway. Like Michael Jackson said - "the girl is mine, the doggone is mine".
        I just couldn't help but come back and troll the....trolls.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tessa Holmes
      Hi, GGPaul! So, you are back. Could not stay away from Warriorforum, did you? Sorry, if you try it once you are not going back. Thank you for update about your sites. I am curious how Amazon sites are doing now.

      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Thought I'd shoot a hello, it's been a while.

      Nothing has affected me at all. And now I'm just REALLY focusing on my on-page, adding "silo" structure, and doing whatever it takes to bring down the bounce rate.

      I learned my mistakes (still learning) a long time ago, Paulgl was a big help. I read a lot of his posts. Spot on I must say. I had a site called howtogetgirls_ _ _ _.com at that time lolol. And that site fell far beyond hell with all the algorithms. I'm sure if it were still alive a couple days ago, it would have been COMPLETELY dead with this algo ;P.

      Now I just focus on brand names and BUILD from there.

      Alright, I'm off to bed. Peace everyone!
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Tessa Holmes View Post

        Hi, GGPaul! So, you are back. Could not stay away from Warriorforum, did you? Sorry, if you try it once you are not going back. Thank you for update about your sites. I am curious how Amazon sites are doing now.
        Woke up this morning, and the main site is still up and running with the average views that I typically get a day. I'm going to push it a little further by adding more than just reviews.

        Similar to "cnet" / "ign"

        And diversify my traffic...Which I'm going to have to read about today.

        Edit: I couldn't help it. I had to come back with all the algorithm talk lol. Just for now at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author liovvoil
    I was going to buy some exact match domains with low competition.
    Should I wait few days to check the new algorithm and decide?
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    • Just buy the EMDs if they have over 3000 exact searches in your market else forget it.

      Originally Posted by liovvoil View Post

      I was going to buy some exact match domains with low competition.
      Should I wait few days to check the new algorithm and decide?
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Funny. My emd site got a bump. Must be more than emd.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    FFS guys just build good websites and you won't have to shit your pants every time Google rolls out an update. Who cares if it's an EMD as long as it's a good site. All of my minisite EMDs are fine, not sure what kind of sites you're building to get killed off by this update.

    edit: before you attack me - I use minisites to support my money sites. Minisites != money sites. But I still rank them.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      FFS guys just build good websites and you won't have to shit your pants every time Google rolls out an update. Who cares if it's an EMD as long as it's a good site. All of my minisite EMDs are fine, not sure what kind of sites you're building to get killed off by this update.

      edit: before you attack me - I use minisites to support my money sites. Minisites != money sites. But I still rank them.
      Maybe it's cause you have no affiliate or monetizing on your mini sites?

      Would love to take a look at one!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Maybe it's cause you have no affiliate or monetizing on your mini sites?

        Would love to take a look at one!
        Sure add me on skype (sending PM now). Those minisites are really nothing special tbh.

        edit: no monetization on the minisites, but I doubt that matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author normahl
    Only Domains with EMD affected or i.e http://electronicguide.com/samsung-x2924-review
    For "Samsung x2924 review" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author techmaish
    I don't think all the domains having exact domain match will be effected by this update. One of my domain is still on 1st Position on 1st page for the exact domain match keyword. It seems the update is applied on the basis of a XXXXX factor. Now what could be that factor?
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
    So what if you have a good quality website, with lots of useful information and pages but you also happen to have an EMD too? Will that get slammed down too?
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    • Profile picture of the author Oranges
      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      So what if you have a good quality website, with lots of useful information and pages but you also happen to have an EMD too? Will that get slammed down too?
      Matt's tweet said "Low Quality" EMD's. But i just randomly checked my competition and few niche im building on...all the EMD's quality and crappy ones are gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      So what if you have a good quality website, with lots of useful information and pages but you also happen to have an EMD too? Will that get slammed down too?
      No way. There are many authoritative websites that use an EMD. The only trouble starts with a combination of no or low content and poor backlinks. The 'boost' these websites used to get will be gone, and they will drop to the rank where 'they belong' according to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando1954
    I have an EMD that is not an affiliate site no monitization it is for a holiday rental apartment I own. 55 pages of original content on places to visit and see, google maps and videos of places to see in the area, it has been on page 1 for last 9 months.

    My EMD is (accommodation name of resort) this morning gone.

    On page 1 with me is a site that is EMD but other way round this site is
    (name of resort accommodation) full of ads and adsense and it is still there on page one.

    So I am a bit confused as to what is going on with google at the moment regarding EMD's and what they class as quality content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Fernando1954 View Post


      So I am a bit confused as to what is going on with google at the moment regarding EMD's and what they class as quality content.
      Like every Algo change it takes time for things to settle out but the truth is we will never quite know what Quality to Google is - not exactly. It does seem though that those who concentrate on user experience are close enough
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
    Banned
    There are a bunch of non EMD's hit as well, and not just some little anchor penalty, no more like ALL rankings totally gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    No drops for me yet... i was terrified when i saw this update, but looks like i dodged it..

    Probably because most of my sites are going after somewhat competitive phrases and require a load of backlinks from different sources. I have a lot of diversity in everything. So appears to have helped me.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    This tweet gives more info on what they're going after:
    https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/251813377175875584

    ..EMDs often involve buying long domain names hoping to game rankings, e.g. http://buycheapviagraonline.info . That's less likely to rank highly for [buy cheap viagra online]
    I've seen sites with prefixes and suffixes also hit.

    will be interesting to see how this works on say legit movie sites. for example: clashofthetitans.com. Good links will be enough to trump this negative factor ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    We'll if this turns out to be true..what do you think should be the structure of the page/post urls for keywords..do you think that the keyword should still be in the url in maybe a sentence or not at all ?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

      We'll if this turns out to be true..what do you think should be the structure of the page/post urls for keywords..do you think that the keyword should still be in the url in maybe a sentence or not at all ?
      All good questions Dumkist...

      That's the stuff I'm looking at right now. Most of it will sort itself out in the coming days though. I own enough sites that make it possible to do meaningful testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Everyone needs to start posting how many pages are indexed per slapped EMD, because I think that's what Google is looking at (indexed page volume).

    I know my competitions EMD with 1,200 indexed pages has not budged in the SERPs. No hyphens in his EMD.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Everyone needs to start posting how many pages are indexed per slapped EMD, because I think that's what Google is looking at (indexed page volume).

      I know my competitions EMD with 1,200 indexed pages has not budged in the SERPs.
      You know, that's not out of the realm of possibility Yukon. It would be reasonable for Google to assume that "most" EMD sites with lots of indexed content would be "serious" sites versus those 5-page EMD sites.

      I know in my case, I only had one site affected (non-EMD) but it only had maybe 20 exact-match pages indexed and they were very thin at that.

      Good observation....
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    • Profile picture of the author d0de
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Everyone needs to start posting how many pages are indexed per slapped EMD, because I think that's what Google is looking at (indexed page volume).

      I know my competitions EMD with 1,200 indexed pages has not budged in the SERPs. No hyphens in his EMD.
      I don't think this is likely. It isn't hard to arbitrarily add hundreds of pages of indexed content to any site.

      I have a couple of EMDs that are ranking the same or better so far. Both have less than 100 pages of indexed content. They do have real, high quality links from relevant authority pages.

      I think it's far more likely that the new algo change is something like "Ignore EMD bonus if site's link portfolio is weaker than X value"
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    Did some searching ..exact match sub-domains might be on the hitlist too :/

    https://productforums.google.com/for...ng/XwGPfI3CG3E
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    • Profile picture of the author ksuman38
      Hi all,
      I also lost my ranking in some EDM search results.As i hadnt done any bad seo technique.Can anyone please suggest me what are the reasons for the fall in all keywords rankings along with the EDM keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanHogan
    Matt Cutts ought to be the poster child for schizophrenia.
    If you're so concerned about the user experience and relevancy, wouldn't you think that exact match domains make it easier for people to find your site?
    What about aged, brand name domains that were hit?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by RyanHogan View Post

      Matt Cutts ought to be the poster child for schizophrenia.
      If you're so concerned about the user experience and relevancy, wouldn't you think that exact match domains make it easier for people to find your site?
      I would disagree with that. I've talked to people outside of the IM world about their search habits. None of them look at the URL before clicking on a search result. Some of them I talked to, never even noticed the URL was there before.

      And none of this means that you cannot rank an EMD. There are people with EMD's that are reporting they are still ranking just fine.

      Google just eliminated the ranking bonus they afforded these domains before. I do not see a problem with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martyfl
        Not only are many sites destroyed, anyone sitting on what they thought were high value domain names are also affected. You will not be able to give away the EMD's you thought would see you through retirement.

        I have also seen search phrases where the only thing left are government sites or large lead gen sites where the emd is in the subpage not the main url.

        In other words, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
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        • Profile picture of the author djlest
          Not a good update

          i'm seeing EMD sites that were not thin at all, infact they have quality and original unique pages, some 50 pages plus and quite a good backlink portfolio.

          Furthermore they are specific to what they offer (japanese restuarant nabraska, hair salon Newcastle, etc.

          What on earth is wrong with selecting an EMD for what you are and what you sell, why do they all suddenly need brand names?
          They have been penalized for having EMD and good quality content and backlinks!

          to prove a point that EMD are not just having the bonus removed as Mr Friedman seems to think, i have 2 clients site of mine that has been number one for its main keyword for years. Simply because its relevant to what they sell and why the hell not have an EMD if its available.

          The site in question has been number one not just for the EMD but for about 80 related and non related keywords for the last 4 years. It is the authority site in its niche.

          Today it has fallen from number 1 for 80 keywords to page 14,15,16 and worse!!

          (yes its got content and backlinks and it was never an MFA site or had any crappy aff links)

          Infact it is a brick and mortar salon business with a staff of 10 women who will no doubt be cutting staff and revenue and struggling to survive by xmas. simply because
          suddenly EMD domains are really bad, WTF!

          i'd understand the argument if it were EMD MFA sites getting the ban hammer, but this is not so. this is ALL EMD sites getting penalized, not just the bonus removed but blatently penalized, not for having 5 pages or 10 pages or 40 pages, doesn't matter.

          Just google shaking up the barrel so everyone rushes to find an adwords manager and they cover it up in the lie that its to take out low quality sites.

          lol if that made sense then why do absolute garbage sites appear in adwords, oh thats right, they pay more for clicks. pff!
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by djlest View Post

            N not just the bonus removed but blatently penalized
            I am sorry, but you have no way to quantify the difference between the ranking bonus and a penalty.
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            • Profile picture of the author djlest
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              I am sorry, but you have no way to quantify the difference between the ranking bonus and a penalty.
              None of my EMD sites had any penalty prior to the algo update, as stated they were no1 and for 80 plus keywords and for 4 or 5 years straight, with backlinks from related sites, not scraped and spammed sites.

              I also had non EMD sites in the exact same niche, and i could never take them on or beat them no matter how many links i had. Today that changed!

              if it was a drop of a few notches id say yep, bonus removed.

              Ofcourse, Its still too early to say yet until the dust settles, we all know EMDs ranked better, now if they rank 10 spots worse then the bonus got removed, but if they dissapear from the serps or sit on page 4 or 5,

              well thats either a penalty or a pretty enormous bonus!
              so id say yes its very easy to quantify for those of us who actually own them.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by djlest View Post

                so id say yes its very easy to quantify for those of us who actually own them.
                That's the thing. It is not easy to quantify. It is going to be relative to the serp and competition. It's not like google was just handing out an automatic 10 spot ranking bonus for all EMD's.

                For less competitive keywords the bonus may have equated to hundreds of spots, which is why to some it looks like a penalty now.

                Nobody really knows for sure.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  Nobody really knows for sure.
                  People always fly off on an update but it never settles out for days. We don't even know how this update is done. Does Google reshuffle the database and then wait for a crawl of the sites to pick up new data it wasn't storing before or does it go out first and gather that data. then reshuffle results after.

                  In the first you would have massive changes over days and in the latter not much at all. Plus people act like if Cutts says theres an EMD algo change then thats all thats in there when thats pretty much all they are willing to announce is all.
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                • Profile picture of the author djlest
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  That's the thing. It is not easy to quantify. It is going to be relative to the serp and competition. It's not like google was just handing out an automatic 10 spot ranking bonus for all EMD's.

                  For less competitive keywords the bonus may have equated to hundreds of spots, which is why to some it looks like a penalty now.

                  Nobody really knows for sure.
                  i hope for a lot of peoples sake that your right.

                  In a fair world the EMD and the keyword associated with that EMD should have got slapped, that would be fair at least. Afterall EMD was all about ranking easily for that specific keyword and a few associated longtails.

                  Today i have seen a site with 150 plus keywords, some completely unrelated to the EMD rank from number one to 300 or worse. Whilst this could be shuffle and dance, this algo targetted not just the EMD - but the entire keywords associated with the site.

                  still early days i admit, but take a look at sites like pregnancy.co.uk and you will find they got hit hard, yet content and back link profiles look healthy! could it be because they had adsense on the site? would this be all about adsense? unlikely since my sites have no ad sense or aff links yet still got hit.

                  Funny though - Matt Cutts EMD domain is still going strong lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Martyfl View Post

          Not only are many sites destroyed, anyone sitting on what they thought were high value domain names are also affected. You will not be able to give away the EMD's you thought would see you through retirement.
          Anyone thinking that emds were going to be the basis for financial security and retirement has much more problems with the way they think about business than just EMDs being downgraded.
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        • Profile picture of the author mojo1
          Originally Posted by Martyfl View Post

          Not only are many sites destroyed, anyone sitting on what they thought were high value domain names are also affected. You will not be able to give away the EMD's you thought would see you through retirement.

          I have also seen search phrases where the only thing left are government sites or large lead gen sites where the emd is in the subpage not the main url.

          In other words, they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
          Presto! I've noticed this in my niche for tax attorneys.

          Directory style sites and Large lead gen sites without Adsense are now on the page 2 of the results and beyond.

          Prior to yesterday, this was not the case in this particular niche from my observation.
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  • Profile picture of the author galmiar
    Hi all, sorry to hear that some of you are suffering from this latest hit, i can totally sympathize, I'm devastated at the mo

    I would just like to know what 'Low quality exact match means.'?

    Only my sites did have exact match domains but they were updated daily, the longest every 3-4 days, with personally written unique relevant content, no less than 500 words. No spelling mistakes and good punctuation. We're talking pages ad pages of articles.

    How can Google consider that a low quality site?!!!

    Very confused and feel injustice as i can see that many crappy exact match domains are still ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
    I knew this was coming. lol i was so tempted to buy an exact match domain couple weeks ago but then i remembered wolfmmii's advice about buying a brand domain and not EMD. glad i didn't register the domain. atleast that saved me 7 bucks!!

    oh wait, but its about quality and google isn't going after EMDs just becoz they're EMDs. As Yukon said a quality site even if its EMD wont face any trouble. would love to know if anything changed with that competitor of yours Yuke.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robby54
      You know what, this would be funny if this was just one giant dance where google try's to figure out were to place certain emd's now that they are "devalued". I remember matt cutts at smx saying that they were going to "tweak down the weight the algorithm gives emd's".

      As for people with non emd's who were effected, well im certainly not trying to stick up for google, not even the slightest bit but you do know that its an algorithm right? Meaning its prone not to be accurate on the first try since its almost impossible to determine exactly how it would playout in a real world situation until its actually released (like when penguin was first introduced) and then tweaked (like when the penguin refreshes were introduced).

      So what im trying to say is its probably best not to do anything for a few weeks and see what google decides to do as far as non emd's being affected. As far as emd's If this is not a penalty then technically a 301 to a non emd would fix all of this. Only time will tell.
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      • Profile picture of the author satrap
        Originally Posted by Robby54 View Post

        So what im trying to say is its probably best not to do anything for a few weeks and see what google decides to do as far as non emd's being affected.
        I agree completely. Every time a new update happens, everybody starts running around going mad. I mean, we see it all the time, when the is a new update, it generally takes a while for the SERPS to settle down.

        I love how lots of people are already diagnosing the problem with certainty as if they were behind the update themselves. Not realizing that hey, just because my site went up or down, doesnt mean this or that particular thing is the problem, maybe, just maybe my site went up or down because another competitor of mine
        got hit or rewarded for something else.


        I mean, we can all especulate right now, untile some time passes and you do some real tastings, you wont know for sure what the problem is. There are hundreds of elements that can effect the SERPS.


        And even after all testing, I personally believe when it comes to seo, no one can be sure 100%. We can get close, but I don't think you can be certain. But then again, it's seo, so how can I be certain that no one can know for sure!
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa View Post

      I knew this was coming. lol i was so tempted to buy an exact match domain couple weeks ago but then i remembered wolfmmii's advice about buying a brand domain and not EMD. glad i didn't register the domain. atleast that saved me 7 bucks!!

      oh wait, but its about quality and google isn't going after EMDs just becoz they're EMDs. As Yukon said a quality site even if its EMD wont face any trouble. would love to know if anything changed with that competitor of yours Yuke.

      The comp. EMD is still holding strong in the SERPs. The backlinks are ok, but nothing to brag about.

      What's funny about this particular EMD/comp. is the domain has been up for sale & I was seriously thinking about buying the site, at first I thought the content was included, later found out he's just selling the domain only. I could care less about the domain (EMD) I wanted the content, I would have packaged the entire sites content & sold it as recurring income on my old sites.

      This guy is currently switching from one EMD (EMD that's for sale & currently ranking decent) & moving his old content to a new EMD, it might end up biting him in the a$$. This guys new EMD doesn't even rank for anything worthwhile, really I don't know what the he$$ he's thinking, I wouldn't waste my time swapping out domains like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I've said this before & I use it to my advantage on my own sites (not EMDs), Google doesn't forget.

    When you rank a page in G SERPs, then switch keywords for the same exact page, rank the page for the new (relevant) keyword, then switch back to the original page content/text, Google usually remembers the old keyword SERP position & ranks the page.

    Now you have two keywords ranking (new keyword + old keyword), because the Google algo. doesn't forget.

    I've seen over-optimized pages (original keyword) actually move up SERPs when switching to the 2nd relevant keyword (same page).
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    • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I've said this before & I use it to my advantage on my own sites (not EMDs), Google doesn't forget.

      When you rank a page in G SERPs, then switch keywords for the same exact page, rank the page for the new (relevant) keyword, then switch back to the original page content/text, Google usually remembers the old keyword SERP position & ranks the page.

      Now you have two keywords ranking (new keyword + old keyword), because the Google algo. doesn't forget.

      I've seen over-optimized pages (original keyword) actually move up SERPs when switching to the 2nd relevant keyword (same page).

      Yukon, this post (#117) from up the thread sounds intriguing, but just want to make sure I understand this process.

      Are you saying that after ranking for a page for a certain keyword, change the content to focus on a second keyword, then after the same page with the new content is ranked, replace the new content with the old content. Then you will be ranked for both keywords.

      If this the process, is it really necessary to switch back to the original content in order to rank for both keywords?

      Also, in order to rank for the second keyword, do you totally eliminate the original keyword from the new content?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcoose
    I haven't been effected. My EMDs are over ten years old although link wise they are lacking (so its not links that are holding them up). I get the impression this update is just as much about quality as it is about keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author pogospring
      Originally Posted by Marcoose View Post

      I haven't been effected. My EMDs are over ten years old although link wise they are lacking (so its not links that are holding them up). I get the impression this update is just as much about quality as it is about keywords.
      Anecdotally my oldest EMDs have hardly been affected. It's the newer ones that seem to have shifted the most.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Update:

    My competitions 1,200 indexed pages EMD has dropped in the SERPs, thing is, his pages have all dropped to the bottom of the 1st page.

    He was ranking #2 behind me for one of my best traffic keywords, last I checked his page is ranked #8. It's like that with most of his pages that were ranking decent (top 3 SERPs), now he's sitting at the bottom of page #1.

    I don't know If this is a direct hit on the EMD, but this guy usually ranks decent (decent links).

    Either way, I'll be working on reinforcing my best traffic keywords/pages, to make his rebound a little more difficult (lol).
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Update:

      My competitions 1,200 indexed pages EMD has dropped in the SERPs, thing is, his pages have all dropped to the bottom of the 1st page.

      He was ranking #2 behind me for one of my best traffic keywords, last I checked his page is ranked #8. It's like that with most of his pages that were ranking decent (top 3 SERPs), now he's sitting at the bottom of page #1.

      I don't know If this is a direct hit on the EMD, but this guy usually ranks decent (decent links).

      Either way, I'll be working on reinforcing my best traffic keywords/pages, to make his rebound a little more difficult (lol).
      Tell me, isn't it total bullshit that Google hits every single page rankings while they say they are after EMD's. Why punish the complete site???

      I really freaking HATE Google now.
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      • Profile picture of the author newy711
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Tell me, isn't it total bullshit that Google hits every single page rankings while they say they are after EMD's. Why punish the complete site???

        I really freaking HATE Google now.
        Totally agree, I have an emd , the URL is the product I sell. ( I personally process and ship all orders ) the main domain name has lost 3 positions from No 1 position but the rest of the site has been wiped out, which really makes no sense.

        Not the end of the world as I get a lot of direct traffic but did rely on the long tail as well
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Tell me, isn't it total bullshit that Google hits every single page rankings while they say they are after EMD's. Why punish the complete site???

        I really freaking HATE Google now.

        It's not a good idea to take SERP movement personal, that's usually when people start screwing up (just saying).

        Fall back & regroup!

        I think this update will continue for a while, it took my competitions EMD almost 24 hours before any movement in the SERPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It's not a good idea to take SERP movement personal, that's usually when people start screwing up (just saying).

          Fall back & regroup!

          I think this update will continue for a while, it took my competitions EMD almost 24 hours before any movement in the SERPs.
          I hardly have money making sites myself but I'm kind of pissed off for 2 reasons:

          - people who burned money cause their site is gone now
          - less new clients cause everyone will think twice

          So it's a loss for everyone and imo there is a LOT wrong with this update. Now you can say, why would I care for someone who lost $69,- on a package with me, yeah well I care less about that as it's not that much, but I also have people who are signed up with 5 sites for 3 months that spend $1500,- with me. That's just terrible.

          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

          mmm, you seem angry nik0.

          As to why punish the whole site, I'd say that a big part of these updates (Panda, Pengin, ATF, EMD, and the ones to come) is about behavior modification of the get-rich-quick section of the SEO/IM industry.

          So, nah, it ain't bullshit. I'll tell you what's bullshit though ...the whining that there's some Google conspiracy to **** small business.
          I agree this conspiracy is all bullshit, Google ain't out to **** small business owners. A bikeshop or a local photographer can rank just fine. As a matter of fact I have someone outsourcing dozens of such sites to me and they still rank fine.

          However for the work from home mom or the student that wants to make a few extra bucks on the internet it has become a lot harder. Google owes them nothing of course but it was a great way to get some extra income for many, especially in times where it's in many places hard to find a normal job or a part time job.

          So that just sucks.

          You know what's funny, people talk about quality, and I have one little site that got wiped out, but I thought it was of pretty good quality, no abusive use of affiliate links, just all fine, I would build 100's of such sites if I had the time OR made the time for it, but this site was hit pretty heavily, it never made good bucks but that's not the point. It did get hit while it was not some crappy MFA site so that worries me quiet a bit to be honest.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            However for the work from home mom or the student that wants to make a few extra bucks on the internet it has become a lot harder. Google owes them nothing of course but it was a great way to get some extra income for many, especially in times where it's in many places hard to find a normal job or a part time job.

            So that just sucks.
            Those are usually temporary people that voluntarily looked for the quick buck (EMDs).

            Long term money takes long term planning.

            The depending on EMDs instead of doing real SEO, was a house of cards game from the beginning. What sucks is people that get drawn into the EMD IM scheme because they didn't think long term. Those people need to decide are they running a business, or playing cards.

            The key to not losing 100% income from an algo. update is to not depend 100% on search traffic. It's not that difficult to diversify traffic sources. I'm not saying search traffic is bad (it's been good to me), just saying the SERPs are only a fraction of the traffic available on the net.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Those are usually temporary people that voluntarily looked for the quick buck (EMDs).

              Long term money takes long term planning.

              The depending on EMDs instead of doing real SEO, was a house of cards game from the beginning. What sucks is people that get drawn into the EMD IM scheme because they didn't think long term. Those people need to decide are they running a business, or playing cards.

              The key to not losing 100% income from an algo. update is to not depend 100% on search traffic. It's not that difficult to diversify traffic sources. I'm not saying search traffic is bad (it's been good to me), just saying the SERPs are only a fraction of the traffic available on the net.
              True but it was not only EMD's that have been hit, and as previously said, even worse, people didn't lose rankings only for there main EMD kw, they lost ALL of their rankings for every single inner page. So in my eye's it was a huge strike against affiliate/adsense sites.

              Anyway I have to look closer at some of the websites from 1 client specifically to see if there is something else wrong with it. Maybe it is explainable in some way. I know for 1 of my own sites that it had really terrible content, and the other one which is of pretty decent quality I saw it hardly had any back links left. I used BMR and HPRS on it a long time ago, but somehow it kept ranking for those keywords although right now they all dropped and SEOmoz shows 2 backlinks left LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            - less new clients cause everyone will think twice
            I disagree. I suspect I will get even more clients Now that its harder than just putting out an Emd and you know what? There are going to be quite a few more serious people who are going to soon realize that Many lucrative serps just became wide open to claiming
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I disagree. I suspect I will get even more clients Now that its harder than just putting out an Emd and you know what? There are going to be quite a few more serious people who are going to soon realize that Many lucrative serps just became wide open to claiming
              Very true, I made a post about that relatively soon after the Penguin back then, and now it has become even more easy.

              Personally I'm still a bit puzzled of what Google flags as quality and what not, the only thing that I see is that a site without Adsense/Affiliate is automatically be seen as quality and everything out side of that is seen as crap.

              I've already seen a huge shift in type of clients the last 4-5 months:

              - before penguin it was like 90/10 (affiliate/adsense vs local/real business)
              - after penguin it got like 50/50
              - after I changed my packages, less links but better it got like 30/70

              And of this 70% of local/real businesses I haven't seen a single one drop in this update, but from this 30% I already received about 5-6 emails today and several refund requests for sites that I didn't start on yet cause they lost all their rankings before I build a single link.

              So personally I see it pretty black, also cause I saw 2 of my own semi EMD sites were hit, they hardly had any back links, and the quality wasn't that bad really, I wouldn't know how to do it better next time so that scares me.
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Tell me, isn't it total bullshit that Google hits every single page rankings while they say they are after EMD's. Why punish the complete site???

        I really freaking HATE Google now.
        mmm, you seem angry nik0.

        As to why punish the whole site, I'd say that a big part of these updates (Panda, Pengin, ATF, EMD, and the ones to come) is about behavior modification of the get-rich-quick section of the SEO/IM industry.

        So, nah, it ain't bullshit. I'll tell you what's bullshit though ...the whining that there's some Google conspiracy to **** small business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

          mmm, you seem angry nik0.
          Gee now THAT is some serious gloating. Unfortunately your day is not complete. I have had no sites tank out even with some with those Web 2.os you love so much . Of course none of them have EMDs though.

          Agree with the non gloating part though. Google just wants to clean things up and instead of complaining people should be seeing green dollars bills in their eyes. Do you know how many niches just opened up wide for new entrants?
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          • Profile picture of the author retsek
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Gee now THAT is some serious gloating. Unfortunately your day is not complete. I have had no sites tank out even with some with those Web 2.os you love so much . Of course none of them have EMDs though.
            Don't worry there's still plenty o' time left before the Google engineers go on christmas break.

            You know people thought, oh google would NEVER do anything about EMD cause so many brands use it. You still feel they'll NEVER do anything about the Web 2.0 and "tiered backlinking" pandemic that people think are safe ??

            I'll save my gloating for that day. Something tells me it'll be soon.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by retsek View Post

              Don't worry there's still plenty o' time left before the Google engineers go on christmas break.
              You must be counting on the Mayan calendar stuff being right. LOL. Cause anyone in their right mind would know Google aint penalizing blogger.com which they own and um thats a web 2.0 site. So tell us all again how they are going to slap all Web 2.0.s ??? I'd like to see the programmer that tries to explain to Sergey and Page how he came up with this brilliant idea to put a penalty on everyone using Blogger. ROFL. Unemployment will certainly jump at least by one a few minutes later.

              You know people thought, oh google would NEVER do anything about EMD cause so many brands use it.
              Don't be fibbing now. Lots of people such as myself knew that was coming

              You still feel they'll NEVER do anything about the Web 2.0 and "tiered backlinking" pandemic that people think are safe ??
              I donts knows about peoples Ise only knows bouts myself and tiered backlinking is not synonymous with using an ocassional Web 2.0 site - a fact I have tried to explain to you like ten times now but you just assume and assume

              I'll save my gloating for that day. Something tells me it'll be soon.
              Well the good book says that our life is like a vapor it will all be over pretty quick but you are going to be old and grey waiting to gloat. Why? two reasons

              A) cause you don't know, have never seen and will never see my Web 2.0s you just go off on your crazy fantasies that if its on a web 2.0 site it must be crap.

              and

              b) Karma as they say is a B and people who sit around fantasizing about gloating in the future about someone elses business going down have small minds, low ball character and end up not making it themselves.
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              • Profile picture of the author retsek
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                You must be counting on the Mayan calendar stuff being right. LOL. Cause anyone in their right mind would know Google aint penalizing blogger.com which they own and um thats a web 2.0 site. So tell us all again how they are going to slap all Web 2.0.s ??? I'd like to see the programmer that tries to explain to Sergey and Page how he came up with this brilliant idea to put a penalty on everyone using Blogger. ROFL. Unemployment will certainly jump at least by one a few minutes later.
                I never said Google was going penalize Blogger, or Wordpress.com, or Tumblr, et al. They will certainly bring the hammer down on those who abuse these sites with their automated software and "manual submissions". Just like they will on those who are abusing infographics and guest posting now.

                2 years ago Cutts at PubCon said they were gonna deal with EMDs. A few months ago he singled out infographics and just this last week the subject of poorly executed guest posts came up in a podcast.

                Don't be fibbing now. Lots of people such as myself knew that was coming
                You cannot be serious. Have you seen what forums look like ? It's rivaling the commotion when Penguin dropped.

                Obviously alot of people didn't know. I wasn't saying that you didn't.

                And lastly, I don't have to see your Web2s to know they are crap that no self-respecting search engine bot wants to crawl. You building them for the sole purpose of passing link juice is all I need to know. :rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by retsek View Post

                  I never said Google was going penalize Blogger, or Wordpress.com, or Tumblr, et al. They will certainly bring the hammer down on those who abuse these sites with their automated software and "manual submissions".
                  Yes of course. That makes perfect sense they will bring down the hammer on both automatic and manual submission and only those who use telepathic skills will be left untouched. I mean seriously do you even read what your write? Google determines spam based on two things - Quantity and the quality on the page. You are in a dream world if you think that using automation software itself leaves a mark on the sites. I'll use automation software to leave ONE article on my own site because it saves me the time of Navigating to the URl , logging in and copying and pasting etc.

                  2 years ago Cutts at PubCon said they were gonna deal with EMDs. A few months ago he singled out infographics and just this last week the subject of poorly executed guest posts came up in a podcast
                  and all this has what to do with web 2.O? Retsek you just don't understand things. Guest posts cannot be eliminated anyway only poorly executed guest posts can be so you have no point . The moment I allow you to write a story on my site then thats a guest post. So google would have to outlaw sites having anyone but the webmaster post with any kind of author attribution. Cutt's isn't saying he is going to go after all guest posts like you claim of web 2.0s so it has no correlation whatsoever.

                  Obviously alot of people didn't know. I wasn't saying that you didn't.
                  Which makes it irrelevant in a discussion with me doesn't it?

                  And lastly, I don't have to see your Web 2.0 to know they are crap that no self-respecting search engine bot wants to crawl. You building them for the sole purpose of passing link juice is all I need to know. :rolleyes:
                  ROFL. So if I pay Maya Angelou to write a beautiful article on poetry but I only do it for the link that I can put on the page then That makes Maya's beautiful article crap that no search engine would want to crawl? Thats just too silly. Only in your fantasies are the quality of posts determined by intent rather than on the actual content. SO what if you don't have good writers I do. Plus You write pure nonsense and Google crawls this thread and reads it. so you stand as proof against your own claims.
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                  • Profile picture of the author retsek
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Yes of course. That makes perfect sense they will bring down the hammer on both automatic and manual submission and only those who use telepathic skills will be left untouched. I mean seriously do you even read what your write?
                    Nice try, but those who don't have junk Web 2.0 links making up a sizable percent of their link profile will be left untouched.

                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    ROFL. So if I pay Maya Angelou to write a beautiful article on poetry but I only do it for the link that I can put on the page then That makes Maya's beautiful article crap that no search engine would want to crawl?
                    Good now you're thinking.

                    ...but why would you pay good money to Maya Angelou only to post it to a Web2.0 site that you created yesterday. You'd be better served to post it on your domain.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

                      Nice try, but those who don't have junk Web 2.0 links making up a sizable percent of their link profile will be left untouched.
                      Excellent so now you have just exposed the silliness of you proclaiming that my use of web 2.0s is dangerous because you don't have one clue about what percentage I use.


                      ...but why would you pay good money to Maya Angelou only to post it to a Web2.0 site that you created yesterday. You'd be better served to post it on your domain.
                      In many cases no....it doesn't necessarily but thats besides the point. Finally admitting that Maya's content would not be trash? Good then its a quality issue and you don't know one squat what quality is on every one who uses web 2.0s

                      Huge difference right? It's hard to build a good looking web2.0 with auto-submitters. Sure with magic submitter you can customize it as you wish, same like with Zennoposter or something like that, but in general when we talk about auto-created web2.0's then I see extreme ugly messed up SenukeX web2.0's and that's what he means.
                      Actually this is an old debate between me and retsek. I whole heartedly agree that most people do exactly that but Retsek's nonsense is that the minute you see someone use Magic submitter and Web 2.0s it means that THEY MUST be doing it that way which is just total garbage. He's had this explained to him several times. You can use MS to submit entirely unique articles on every site you use. Truth is out of say 70 web 2.0s set up I would only go with 10-25. When I do more for a client its with the full knowledge that not every web 2.0 will suit their interests. It should be a small part of what you do and you should concentrate on high authority in context links.

                      The whole if you use web 2.0s with any level of automation at all you are in trouble is just totally silly.
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                      • Profile picture of the author retsek
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Actually this is an old debate between me and retsek. I whole heartedly agree that most people do exactly that but Retsek's nonsense is that the minute you see someone use Magic submitter and Web 2.0s it means that THEY MUST be doing it that way which is just total garbage. He's had this explained to him several times.

                        The whole if you use web 2.0s with any level of automation at all you are in trouble is just totally silly.
                        Yup. Call me silly or whatever insult you can come up with, but this is exactly what I believe.

                        If it's not garbage then what is it, Mike ? Humans read these Web2s that you build and come away with something? They love them to death ? Do these Web2s of yours contribute to the internet, or do they just pollute it ?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by retsek View Post

                          Yup. Call me silly or whatever insult you can come up with, but this is exactly what I believe.

                          If it's not garbage then what is it, Mike ? Humans read these Web2s that you build and come away with something? They love them to death ? Do these Web2s of yours contribute to the internet, or do they just pollute it ?
                          Well ahem...I am coming up with nothing from reading your posts. Are you polluting the Internet?

                          I guess I can believe whatever I want without any proof just as you can. Incidently I had no idea that Wordpress.com, Blogger and all these Web 2.0 sites had such top notch stellar award winning content that you seem to think they do and I am impressed by your credentials at having been named the judge for all Internet content on them even for the content you have never and will never read. :rolleyes:

                          Anyway I put well written articles to my web 2.0s for a very good reason. I believe in LSI contributing to the the weight of the link. Plus if you link to your money site it should always be from quality content because the link will stand to be checked at least by SEO savvy competitors. I've been teaching that for well over a year but you are oblivious to those facts (or I suspect ignore them just like you do all other facts).

                          Heres the thing. You might as well just write a good article because thats the easiest way to come up with good LSI. If you find yourself trying to put in words here and there you take up just as much time and for me at least More plus if I get writers they don't understand LSI but if they are good they hit it without me confusing them. A well written article will usually cover LSI just fine.

                          But by all means continue telling us your beliefs . I find it fascinating to watch an I assume grown man argue that he knows the quality of posts and articles he has never seen and then fool himself that he is being logical. Yes I do call it silly and it most definitely is. I bet I am not the only one that thinks claiming to know something is bad you have never seen or read is silly

                          There are two definitions of being ignorant. One is where the person is just mentally dumb . I would not use that of you, nor do I think it of you but the other is where stubborn emotion just overrides logic where you insist something is true that you have no evidence for. Your argument fits the second definition well.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Yes of course. That makes perfect sense they will bring down the hammer on both automatic and manual submission and only those who use telepathic skills will be left untouched. I mean seriously do you even read what your write?
                    What he means with manual and automatic submission is this

                    Automatic
                    - blasting many crappy web2.0 platforms with Senukex to produce extreme ugly web2.0's with wrapped up text and empty profiles and what not, you've probably seen them

                    Manual
                    - web2.0's that have some care, a nice unique article added, an avatar/picture, perhaps some youtube or images, a few more pages then just 1 ugly spun page

                    Huge difference right? It's hard to build a good looking web2.0 with auto-submitters. Sure with magic submitter you can customize it as you wish, same like with Zennoposter or something like that, but in general when we talk about auto-created web2.0's then I see extreme ugly messed up SenukeX web2.0's and that's what he means.

                    Or perhaps he takes it one step further and talks about truly good looking web2.0 blogs that are there for years, you know from real bloggers.

                    Heck at this forum there are people selling 5000 web2.0s for 50 bucks or something, mostly crappy nofollow platforms like ELGG and Jcow.
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                    • Profile picture of the author retsek
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      Or perhaps he takes it one step further and talks about truly good looking web2.0 blogs that are there for years, you know from real bloggers.
                      Bingo. Some people would like to believe that Google can't tell the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    In my experience it is a blanket penalty on EMDs. My site Toyota Hilux Vigo 2013 2012 New 2011 2010 2009 2008 Minor Change Toyota Vigo Thailand Toyota Fortuner Nissan Navara 4x4 Pickup Truck Dealer Exporter SUV Thailand Australia NZ UK Dubai Dealer has been hit on all "Toyota Hilux Vigo" and "Toyota Hilux" related searches but has retained its SERPs on other vehicles as Toyota Landcruiser, Isuzu Dmax, Mazda BT-50 and all other vehicles. If my content was suspect I would have tanked on these other searches but I'm still on page 1 on all these searches and in the same place as last week.

    Three sites that now outrank me on "Toyota Hilux Vigo" and Toyota hilux related searches have spun content so my gut feeling is that this is too broad based a swipe to stick. Many EMDs with good content will come back.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Anyway, what's more interesting right now is to see what it takes to get those keywords back to see if it's a penalty or just a huge devaluing of very old links, perhaps Google still remembered a part of all those old deindexed blog network linsk.
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  • Profile picture of the author smkiran
    My question is

    If Google slapping EMD site then what type of site we have to build?

    If i am promoting a product in health niche then i need to build a health related site and what next ? if i write an article then i need to use keyword so that is also called EMD???

    What you say about this Mike and other big guns here
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    • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
      Originally Posted by smkiran View Post

      My question is

      If Google slapping EMD site then what type of site we have to build?

      If i am promoting a product in health niche then i need to build a health related site and what next ? if i write an article then i need to use keyword so that is also called EMD???

      What you say about this Mike and other big guns here

      Looks like you didn't know what EMD stands for.

      It's Exact Match Domains.

      Creating content with your targeted keywords in mind doesn't have anything to do with EMD at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author aadi144
    This EMD is going to be a cracker for small affiliates.I guess now they will stop taking wrong turns from now.
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  • Profile picture of the author raisuddintch1
    You people ready the update carefully . Google is saying he will give less importance to exact match domains that have low quality content then what is new here. Google always works on keywords if a domain have exact match domain name and quality content then no problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin W
    I had one of my sites hit about 3-4 weeks ago. Seems like it has been a work in progress for the last few weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author JL8
    I have a 1.5 month old Amazon site, with a branded domain name, and roughly 70 pages of good quality content just completely smashed in the face by google about 2 days ago. Every keyword is not in the top 100 now.

    I've sent 2 links to my homepage, and that was two manually built web 2.0 sites. That's all the linking I've done.

    Really really frustrating obviously.

    I hope I get it back. I made almost $200 in the first 1.5 months and things were just starting to look good.

    I'm sad

    And I had another Amazon site with 15 pages of content, branded domain name and manually built content get hit too. This was only a few weeks old so I'm not that bummed about this one.

    Damn you google!

    How long do you think before things settle? Because I'd really like to know if I will get my rankings back.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Jl8 you only have 2 links maybe that's why
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    • Profile picture of the author JL8
      Getting penalized for having only 2 links?

      That's basically saying I got penalized for not SEO'ing.

      That doesn't make sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author supaH
        Originally Posted by JL8 View Post

        Getting penalized for having only 2 links?

        That's basically saying I got penalized for not SEO'ing.

        That doesn't make sense.
        No, meaning you were only ranking because of the EMD, thus with the EMD penalty, you aren't going to rank with 2 backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author fitriulina
    My site still under on google .. I dont know what wrong with my site... But Im still make link building now
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  • Profile picture of the author manishak
    Google is trying to weed out its competition! First we saw PageRank, then Google+, then Google +1s and then Google circles, Google's know-how, YouTube integration, Facebook fallout etc. So you need to use only Google products and sites that Google feels are trustworthy to get good rankings. Perhaps Social Media is becoming important for Google. But then you have to be in places which Google likes, else you'll be thrown out. So are we looking at Social Media SEO now?
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by manishak View Post

      Google is trying to weed out its competition! First we saw PageRank, then Google+, then Google +1s and then Google circles, Google's know-how, YouTube integration, Facebook fallout etc. So you need to use only Google products and sites that Google feels are trustworthy to get good rankings. Perhaps Social Media is becoming important for Google. But then you have to be in places which Google likes, else you'll be thrown out. So are we looking at Social Media SEO now?

      That's not true.

      I could care less about anything social & I still rank pages just fine.

      I understand people get pissed about Google updates, but ranking a page is still the same text/links, the thing is, it's not just any old text/links, it's relevant text/links.
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      • Profile picture of the author manishak
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        That's not true.

        I could care less about anything social & I still rank pages just fine.

        I understand people get pissed about Google updates, but ranking a page is still the same text/links, the thing is, it's not just any old text/links, it's relevant text/links.
        I disagree. Else Google won't have invested so much in creating those algos and getting that patent 7 years back.

        Yes, building links from relevant sites will matter, writing quality content will matter; but marketing that content also matters, and that's where Google has played.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by manishak View Post

          I disagree. Else Google won't have invested so much in creating those algos and getting that patent 7 years back.

          Yes, building links from relevant sites will matter, writing quality content will matter; but marketing that content also matters, and that's where Google has played.

          Doesn't matter If you disagree, fact is a page can be ranked without social.

          Doesn't matter If Google invested $100 billion into social, pages are still ranked with text/links.

          Google has a history of social fails:
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  • Profile picture of the author raisuddintch1
    Google works on keywords so it will not provide extra weight-age to exact match domains or non match that have low quality content. Pin point is only quality nothing more.
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  • Profile picture of the author raisuddintch1
    In webmaster tools you can do the following-
    1. back links check
    2. out bound links check
    3. submit xml site map
    4. search queries
    5. robots.txt chk
    and many other things you can do about a site.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    It seems that things are starting to normalize again. Not the same as before but better than the last 2-3 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    Originally Posted by retsek View Post

    https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/251784203597910016

    Glad they're doing something about those thin 5-page exact match crap, that certain people are calling quality.



    Don't be fooled by that 0.6% figure. That's percent of searches, not percent of websites.

    Search engine land:
    Google Issues "Weather Report" Of Crack Down On Low Quality Exact Match Domains

    How sad can you be to celebrate to loss of (part of) peoples businesses because you consider EMDs crap, it makes me vomit to be honest..

    And a lof of your so called crap sites weren't hit at al, but a lot of good none EMD quality site where... But i guess that is funny for you to right?
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      How sad can you be to celebrate to loss of (part of) peoples businesses because you consider EMDs crap, it makes me vomit to be honest..

      And a lof of your so called crap sites weren't hit at al, but a lot of good none EMD quality site where... But i guess that is funny for you to right?
      I don't think there's anything wrong with being happy over the removal of thin, low quality EMD sites. From a searcher's perspective, they are an awful experience. From a webmaster's perspective, it is competition that's been removed.
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      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        I don't think there's anything wrong with being happy over the removal of thin, low quality EMD sites. From a searcher's perspective, they are an awful experience. From a webmaster's perspective, it is competition that's been removed.
        For who is it a bad experience? for the surfer? No... because he/she gets the info he/she is looking for... there are enough topics that don't need more then 3/4 articles... i now a lot of big sites filled with crap that get good rankings...

        Those so called article directories or PR sites, filled with content that is less informative then a thin EMD site (and i am not even talking about that spung crap) i don't hear OP bitching about that, people like him make me sick to my stomach to be honest... riding on their high horse called Matt Cutts pretending they never took a shortcut or exploit a method to make money...

        Hypocrites are not nice people
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          For who is it a bad experience? for the surfer? No... because he/she gets the info he/she is looking for...
          That's just it. Most EMD domains are low quality and do not give the user what he's looking for.

          Although 4slicetoastersforsale.org provides me with the awesome knowledge that 4-slice toasters toast twice as much bread as two-slice models, it's not really helpful.

          As I've said a million times on these forums, you need to stop looking at stuff through a marketer's lens and start seeing things as a consumer. The stuff you call quality is complete and utter crap more often than not. You are just too close to the situation to notice.

          The people on this board who understand this are succeeding. Those who don't, are not.
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          • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            That's just it. Most EMD domains are low quality and do not give the user what he's looking for.

            Although 4slicetoastersforsale.org provides me with the awesome knowledge that 4-slice toasters toast twice as much bread as two-slice models, it's not really helpful.

            As I've said a million times on these forums, you need to stop looking at stuff through a marketer's lens and start seeing things as a consumer. The stuff you call quality is complete and utter crap more often than not. You are just too close to the situation to notice.

            The people on this board who understand this are succeeding. Those who don't, are not.
            But if i have a site about canopy tents and i have 5 articles and 10 small reviews on canopy tents then it is usefull fo the user...

            I might not understand you, but trust me i am succeeding just fine, thank you
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

              But if i have a site about canopy tents and i have 5 articles and 10 small reviews on canopy tents then it is usefull fo the user...

              I might not understand you, but trust me i am succeeding just fine, thank you
              It is not useful to the user, based alone on what you said. So much depends on the articles and reviews themselves. Just stating "oh, I have 5 articles and 10 reviews" doesn't make your site a good one or a useful one.

              If you are succeeding, that's great. I will say, though, that you seem awfully bitter for someone who is succeeding.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                It is not useful to the user, based alone on what you said. So much depends on the articles and reviews themselves. Just stating "oh, I have 5 articles and 10 reviews" doesn't make your site a good one or a useful one.

                If you are succeeding, that's great. I will say, though, that you seem awfully bitter for someone who is succeeding.
                Well said. So much bitching around here these days. People are now bitching about others bitching, what's up with that? Got to be the updates hurting peoples businesses...
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                • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                  Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                  Got to be the updates hurting peoples businesses...
                  I'm sure it is. The problem, though, is some of these people who have been hurt simply lash out at anyone who tries to give them advice. Instead of taking information from people who are still doing well and applying it, they make snide comments, call people names, question their motives, etc.

                  I can't count how many times I've personally been insulted. Lately, I've been wondering why I even bother.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                  Well said. So much bitching around here these days. People are now bitching about others bitching, what's up with that? Got to be the updates hurting peoples businesses...
                  Yeah so much bitching, let's go all cry in a corner and pass around tissue's :p
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    So don't buy the EMD because Google is getting smarter!
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

    Lately, I've been wondering why I even bother.
    Take a look at your signature, I think that's a pretty big clue.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      Take a look at your signature, I think that's a pretty big clue.
      I often wonder what the fascination is with my signature. I mean, it's like I'm the only one on these forums that has a signature set up. If you don't like it, don't look at it. It's not like I run around spitting useless one-liners out just to get my signature out there.

      What makes mine any different than anyone else's? I'm genuinely curious about the negative attitude toward my signature. I mean, I'm entitled to it, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Sad thing is, Wolf, this thread is just a product of
        WF nonsense. People crying about amazon now, no less.

        No other "amazon" page needs to exist other than amazon.

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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Sad thing is, Wolf, this thread is just a product of
          WF nonsense. People crying about amazon now, no less.

          No other "amazon" page needs to exist other than amazon.

          Paul
          It's just weird. I've had a handful of people vilifying me for my signature and I haven't been able to figure out why yet. I've been telling people (and I'm not the only one) that quality, helpful content that's original is the way to go for months and months now.

          It just seems like people are bitter toward anyone who is still successful.
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          • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            .It's just weird. I've had a handful of people vilifying me for my signature and I haven't been able to figure out why yet I've been telling people (and I'm not the only one) that quality, helpful content that's original is the way to go for months and months now.

            It just seems like people are bitter toward anyone who is still successful.
            It's the keyword stuffing!
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

    It's not like I run around spitting useless one-liners out just to get my signature out there.
    That's pretty much exactly how it seems to be fair. People aren't stupid especially when something is so blatantly obvious.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      That's pretty much exactly how it seems to be fair. People aren't stupid especially when something is so blatantly obvious.
      To be fair??? Really? Point me to all of the meaningless one-liners because I don't see it. I don't know who said anyone was stupid. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying my posts and info are not helpful??? If so, please point me to those posts that you feel are unhelpful.

      You DO realize that there are many, many other members who post far more often than I do and they display their sig on their posts as well. What makes them any different?

      And yes, the sig is supposed to be obvious.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        To be fair??? Really? Point me to all of the meaningless one-liners because I don't see it. I don't know who said anyone was stupid. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying my posts and info are not helpful??? If so, please point me to those posts that you feel are unhelpful.

        You DO realize that there are many, many other members who post far more often than I do and they display their sig on their posts as well. What makes them any different?

        And yes, the sig is supposed to be obvious.
        I think people are probably just picking up on your 'agenda.' When certain posters constantly harp on about certain subjects, their agenda becomes clear. When people pick up on the fact that they're being 'lied to' or steered into certain thinking because of an agenda-driven poster, they recoil in horror.

        Add to that your generally dislikable forum demeanor and it's not hard to see why you're getting 'blowback.'

        Hopefully that helps
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          I think people are probably just picking up on your 'agenda.' When certain posters constantly harp on about certain subjects, their agenda becomes clear. When people pick up on the fact that they're being 'lied to' or steered into certain thinking because of an agenda-driven poster, they recoil in horror.

          Add to that your generally dislikable forum demeanor and it's not hard to see why you're getting 'blowback.'

          Hopefully that helps
          Oh lulz. Ouch.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          I think people are probably just picking up on your 'agenda.' When certain posters constantly harp on about certain subjects, their agenda becomes clear. When people pick up on the fact that they're being 'lied to' or steered into certain thinking because of an agenda-driven poster, they recoil in horror.

          Add to that your generally dislikable forum demeanor and it's not hard to see why you're getting 'blowback.'

          Hopefully that helps
          Lied to? Not sure where that comes from but OK. As for being dis-likable, I'll grant that I come off as abrasive but very rarely, if ever, do I flat-out insult anyone. Think of it as "tough love".
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          I think people are probably just picking up on your 'agenda.' When certain posters constantly harp on about certain subjects, their agenda becomes clear.
          Thats right! You tell him! We all know having SEO networks is the number one way to avoid EMD hits and how Matt Cutts against a blue background actually wards off evil google sprits. Time to get this thread on real solutions and not about selling or highlighting signatures. You don't need to be scared just try the color blue on your website with a nice framed picture of Cutts and Googlebot gives you nothing but love, Tried and proven by testimonials.

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  • Profile picture of the author spen
    hi everyone,

    Is this a EMD: xxx.com/EDM ?
    It is affected?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author SugarKisses
    They are just going to start more or less ignoring EMD's would be my guess.
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