Panda, Penguin, EMD penalties..what next!?

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Looks like EMD's took a big hit. I had several EMD's and all but two with decent backlink profiles disappeared for their top positions.

My guess is spun content and low quality Web 2's used for backlinking are next.

I can spot most spun content in a second so i'm guessing it's possible to algorithmically test for this. A few grammar and reading quality score algorithms already exist.

I can't see low quality web 2's used for backlinking lasting much longer either - no social engagement in the form of twitter, facebook, or comments, very few pages of content, no backlinks or a huge amount of automated backlinks.

The idea that you can safely point massive amounts of low quality links to tiers and get good results long term doesn't make sense to me either. If you know they can harm your main site what point is there in pointing them to any site. Furthermore all of those junk links point back to your main site in the end - it's only a matter of time before Matt Cutts starts penalising this.
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  • Profile picture of the author newy711
    They should start targeting those Facebook notes pages that seem to getting ever popular, utter garbage
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  • Profile picture of the author boosters
    What's next... niche penalties, asking questions penalties, why not using GA penalties and so on that every one will pissed off.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Talen
        Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

        I don't really think , this update was anything about penalizing an EMD. Its just that the privileges of being an EMD have been taken off and this was seen happening some time ago , it had to.

        And if people stop their concerns about what works or not after a particular update , they will always remain pissed off like this. Try to make your website a genuine one, that really interests people. This is very basic and the best form of SEO. Some people know why They don't give notice if google has made an update

        You don't have to think. Matt Cutts said specifically that low quality emd sites were being targeted...
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

        I don't really think , this update was anything about penalizing an EMD. Its just that the privileges of being an EMD have been taken off and this was seen happening some time ago , it had to.
        Most EMD's that are hit have lost ALL their rankings, not just the EMD keyword.
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      • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
        Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

        I don't really think , this update was anything about penalizing an EMD. Its just that the privileges of being an EMD have been taken off and this was seen happening some time ago , it had to.
        I wish I could believe that. There is no reason an EMD should rank higher than a non-EMD with similar content. Unfortunately, Google seems to apply a large club to smash a small fly.

        Affecting 0.6% of web searches? Every search I have tried today is turning up vastly different results than it did a week ago. I see a lot of movement, and not all for the better.
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    If you learn from this.. being next would be not worried about updates
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  • Profile picture of the author SamDermot
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    The next is you have to put only fresh content on your site and build brand name of your company and nothing more than this.

    Also, you need to do on-page optimization perfectly this is only the way we can do otherwise, content and popularity of your site which is really too hard, complex, time consuming, spending money etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post

    Looks like EMD's took a big hit. I had several EMD's and all but two with decent backlink profiles disappeared for their top positions.

    My guess is spun content and low quality Web 2's used for backlinking are next.

    I can spot most spun content in a second so i'm guessing it's possible to algorithmically test for this. A few grammar and reading quality score algorithms already exist.

    I can't see low quality web 2's used for backlinking lasting much longer either - no social engagement in the form of twitter, facebook, or comments, very few pages of content, no backlinks or a huge amount of automated backlinks.

    The idea that you can safely point massive amounts of low quality links to tiers and get good results long term doesn't make sense to me either. If you know they can harm your main site what point is there in pointing them to any site. Furthermore all of those junk links point back to your main site in the end - it's only a matter of time before Matt Cutts starts penalising this.
    I spam the **** out of web 2.0's and it still works.

    My spun content is so good it cant be detected. Well some of it can... but if im using ultra spinable articles they cant detect it, they never will.. it would simply require to much processing power to do this and cost them to much money.

    IMO its just not worth it for them, so i think your safe with good spun content for a while.

    Google will always target certain things, when they devalue one thing, they make something else more valuable. This is a game, never forget that. Google will always be able to be gamed.

    I know you have had your sites hit and are now in a negative mindset, there are two ways you can take this. Either continue to be negative or do something about it.

    You have the power. Good luck dude.
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    What's next? The end of the world on 12/12/12.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    First off all, Matt Cutts lies all the time to hide the true intentions of Google.

    Anyway, SEO will always work, as it is purely the act of promoting your website and making it look popular to search engines. High-quality SEO will ALWAYS work, and it always has, that's why big companies who use real SEO's aren't complaining.

    Do you think Nike came onto WarriorForum and said, hey let's find the cheapest SEO gig, here's one for $10 a month. And then expected real results?

    That's the reason many people are doing great during the updates, while most fail. If you can't do high-end SEO, then don't promise it to people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
      Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

      First off all, Matt Cutts lies all the time to hide the true intentions of Google.

      Anyway, SEO will always work, as it is purely the act of promoting your website and making it look popular to search engines. High-quality SEO will ALWAYS work, and it always has, that's why big companies who use real SEO's aren't complaining.

      Do you think Nike came onto WarriorForum and said, hey let's find the cheapest SEO gig, here's one for $10 a month. And then expected real results?

      That's the reason many people are doing great during the updates, while most fail. If you can't do high-end SEO, then don't promise it to people.
      I agree with your first statement, matt cutts lies all the time.

      Thats where it ends. Sure people just buying $5 gigs arent likely to get anywhere. But are you looking at the serps? I am spamming big time and making bank right now.

      Im tired of white hat gurus saying "do this" and "do that"... when i am doing the opposite and i am making bank. The crappy links work, and they work damn well if you know what youre doing...
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      • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
        Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

        I agree with your first statement, matt cutts lies all the time.

        Thats where it ends. Sure people just buying $5 gigs arent likely to get anywhere. But are you looking at the serps? I am spamming big time and making bank right now.

        Im tired of white hat gurus saying "do this" and "do that"... when i am doing the opposite and i am making bank. The crappy links work, and they work damn well if you know what youre doing...
        You seem like you dont feel like you have to walk on egg shells, where google is concerned. ALLOT of people on here do feel that way and it is really draining to try and fit into all the do's and dont's
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        • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
          Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

          You seem like you dont feel like you have to walk on egg shells, where google is concerned. ALLOT of people on here do feel that way and it is really draining to try and fit into all the do's and dont's

          Ironically its the people who dont that are killing it. I diversify. I build tons of sites and backlink in every imaginable way. I have EMD's, mini sites, authority sites... and varying shades of grey link building.

          When it comes to SEO i am diversified. And thats what i encourage everyone to do.

          Even better get enough income from G, so that you can diversify even further and build assets that dont rely on google for income.

          When everyone is scared you should be aggressive. When everyone is aggressive you should be scared. Right now i am spamming like crazy and i am making bank. I am just smart about it and i go the extra mile.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

            Ironically its the people who dont that are killing it. I diversify. I build tons of sites and backlink in every imaginable way. I have EMD's, mini sites, authority sites... and varying shades of grey link building.

            When it comes to SEO i am diversified. And thats what i encourage everyone to do.

            Even better get enough income from G, so that you can diversify even further and build assets that dont rely on google for income.

            When everyone is scared you should be aggressive. When everyone is aggressive you should be scared. Right now i am spamming like crazy and i am making bank. I am just smart about it and i go the extra mile.
            Dude, you rewrote a 2005 eBook on your blog. Don't go act like you're the know it all.

            - EMD's with a letter added to the end
            - SenukeX blasts in tier 1 pushed up with Xrumer/Scrapebox
            - H2/H3 tags
            - 2% keyword density
            - More of that bogus

            I visited your blog to see what all your black hat stuff was about but it's just rehashed old garbage.
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            • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Dude, you rewrote a 2005 eBook on your blog. Don't go act like you're the know it all.

              - EMD's with a letter added to the end
              - SenukeX blasts in tier 1 pushed up with Xrumer/Scrapebox
              - H2/H3 tags
              - 2% keyword density
              - More of that bogus

              I visited your blog to see what all your black hat stuff was about but it's just rehashed old garbage.


              Funny that i make $10k+ month in gambling with it then
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                Funny that i make $10k+ month in gambling with it then
                You can even say you make $1million+ month with it!

                Put it on black and it might turn into $2 million!
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                • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  You can even say you make $1million+ month with it!

                  Put it on black and it might turn into $2 million!
                  That is totally nonsensical.

                  For a blackhatter i am very hedged, its not gambling if you do it right.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                    That is totally nonsensical.

                    For a blackhatter i am very hedged, its not gambling if you do it right.
                    You're not a blackhatter, you're just a regular spammer.

                    True blackhatters don't build micro niche sites, instead they get sites on page one for insane tough keywords with their genius spam methods that they all customized. A bit different then pressing a few Start buttons in Scrapebox/Xrumer.

                    You are just a noob practicing old methods.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      You're not a blackhatter, you're just a regular spammer.

                      True blackhatters don't build micro niche sites, instead they get sites on page one for insane tough keywords with their genius spam methods that they all customized. A bit different then pressing a few Start buttons in Scrapebox/Xrumer.

                      You are just a noob practicing old methods.
                      Please enlighten me on what works...

                      Im sure you must be earning much more than 10k a month with affiliate sites...

                      I dont understand all the hate, are you saying what i do doesnt work? Are you saying im no diversified and dont use a diverse array of link building practices?

                      The funny thing is, my sites have done better throughout the penguin and panda updates, even these emd updates. I have over 50 emds ranking, not a single one got hit.

                      And as far as competitive terms, i rank for them. I have authority sites, mini sites and one page wonders. I have sites with all natural links and i have sites with pretty much all spam links.

                      The difference between me and someone who just hits buttons is that i have a proper business. I have tons of sites, im diversified, i outsource most of my work.

                      You need to get black hat and white hat out of your head. I run a business and its a profitable one at that. I am not doing anything illegal.

                      You are just annoyed that my practices work better than yours, and google "should be doing the right thing"... you keep praying that google rewards "good quality content" and that link spam signals get completely devalued. You are a good guy and i am evil... yeah right

                      Maybe you will see a flying unicorn tomorrow. Or maybe Google doesnt give a **** about any of us and is just in it to make more money for themselves.

                      Either way, i am going to keep hedging, and keep building like a mad man. I will be the one with a 30k, 50k or 100k month business in a few years time if i keep scaling.

                      You will be the one hating me on forums for my old "tired" push button techniques.

                      If it works, it doesnt matter how old it is.

                      Spam links and link shields work so well right now... Crap links -> Less crap links -> money site + scale = profit.

                      It works. Dont hate me because it works. Dont hate me at all. I'm not the bad guy, i am just working my ass off and doing what works.
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                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                        Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                        You are just annoyed that my practices work better than yours, and google "should be doing the right thing"... you keep praying that google rewards "good quality content" and that link spam signals get completely devalued. You are a good guy and i am evil... yeah right
                        Lol why people always come up with the "hate" thing

                        I read your blog, it was the exact same thing that I read in a famous ebook/wso that I read a few years ago and that is massively being pushed all over every single forum, that immidiatly shows that you know nothing about SEO but just blatantly copied a book to fill your website and spam your sig link here. You ain't fooling me boy

                        Yeah I think web2.0's and scrapebox/xrumer in tier 2 beats out my private network of 300+ sites any day any time. :rolleyes:

                        You need to build 100.000 links to equal one of my PR6 links lol.

                        I have not been praying one single time that you need good quality content so that's just something you made up, although good quality content isn't a bad thing obvious. And yes Google will bite you in the ass for spammy links in tier 2, you'll see!
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                        • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                          Lol why people always come up with the "hate" thing

                          I read your blog, it was the exact same thing that I read in a famous ebook/wso that I read a few years ago and that is massively being pushed all over every single forum, that immidiatly shows that you know nothing about SEO but just blatantly copied a book to fill your website and spam your sig link here. You ain't fooling me boy

                          Yeah I think web2.0's and scrapebox/xrumer in tier 2 beats out my private network of 300+ sites any day any time. :rolleyes:

                          You need to build 100.000 links to equal one of my PR6 links lol.

                          I have not been praying one single time that you need good quality content so that's just something you made up, although good quality content isn't a bad thing obvious. And yes Google will bite you in the ass for spammy links in tier 2, you'll see!
                          Your weird, i make money doing this and good money at that and your telling me it doesnt work.

                          I basically do similar to what Becker does (Blackhat Post Penguin SEO That Works) or this: Here’s How We’re Ranking Right Now, Post-Penguin…

                          IE: Link shields, blog networks, spam links basically... with huge anchor diversity.

                          And guess what, we are all killing it.

                          What are you saying? im not killing it? It doesnt work? Im gonna get penalized?

                          Well i might get penalized one day, but ive seen plenty of "legit" white hat sites go down before mine have. So at the end of the day, we are all playing a game and no one is safe.

                          I dont understand your hate at all.

                          Your private network works. Im sure it does, i am builing my own one to launder link juice.

                          But like the thing is, if i can build 100k spam links in a day to equal ur 1 pr6, thats fine, but i can get 365 pr 6's worth of links per year lol And its free..
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                          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                            Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                            Your weird, i make money doing this and good money at that and your telling me it doesnt work.
                            If not believing you makes me weird, so be it!

                            Btw 100k links don't make a PR6 (my mistake) PR5 at most, been there done that!

                            You know what happened when I placed a link on that PR5 domain? My rankings didn't move an inch. Oh yeah I should've build more tiers uhuu....

                            You know what's funny? I've seen some genius spammers rank for insane tough keywords, guess what? They didn't build tiered links, they pointed all at the homepage, and that were not the usual profile / comment links, that was custom spam that they teached Xrumer. Just blasting the standard stuff doesn't work.

                            It only works for the people that want you to believe it works, cause they are selling these amazing pyramids and make 10k/month in sales perhaps.

                            Anyway, keep on dreaming, I'll be waiting for your WSO
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                            • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                              If not believing you makes me weird, so be it!

                              Btw 100k links don't make a PR6 (my mistake) PR5 at most, been there done that!

                              You know what happened when I placed a link on that PR5 domain? My rankings didn't move an inch. Oh yeah I should've build more tiers uhuu....

                              You know what's funny? I've seen some genius spammers rank for insane tough keywords, guess what? They didn't build tiered links, they pointed all at the homepage, and that were not the usual profile / comment links, that was custom spam that they teached Xrumer. Just blasting the standard stuff doesn't work.

                              It only works for the people that want you to believe it works, cause they are selling these amazing pyramids and make 10k/month in sales perhaps.

                              Anyway, keep on dreaming, I'll be waiting for your WSO
                              Wanna bet me $10k i can show u $10k of affiliate earnings in the last 30 days?

                              I know those sites, they last about 90 days and go bye bye

                              Im not exactly doing standard stuff, i have a XR expert whose doing all kinds of stuff and publishing to different platforms, all kinds of creative stuff, and hes running my campaigns for me. Im not smart enough to figure it out myself.

                              I also have badass SB lists.

                              What im doing works. I got a new domain, ranked for a 10k month bingo term (One of most competitive in niche) in two weeks. Im rank 11 as we speak and im about to climb the frontpage. This terms gonna make me $1k+ month if i maintain it and it takes me like a week of work to rank it.

                              Ima keep scaling over and over. I wont be doing any WSO's.

                              ****, if its in my best interest, ill provide all my urls and kws im ranking for. I may even start a case study and do exactly that to give myself some legitimacy. That being said, someone will report me and my site will likely get tanked. So.. its apples and oranges :-/
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                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                                Wanna bet me $10k i can show u $10k of affiliate earnings in the last 30 days?
                                I'm not allowed to gamble from my VA manager, he says it's a sin that drives people to desperate actions.

                                Anyway, you say you did, if so nice for you, I just don't buy it.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                  I'm not allowed to gamble from my VA manager, he says it's a sin that drives people to desperate actions.

                                  Anyway, you say you did, if so nice for you, I just don't buy it.
                                  *shrug*

                                  To be fair, its not ranked with the KW strategy i use in the study.

                                  I go after a lot more competitive kws and throw a TON of links at them.

                                  Like if it takes me a week to rank for a keyword that provides me with $100 month in income. I just keep doing that over and over. It adds up pretty quickly actually.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                    Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                                    *shrug*

                                    To be fair, its not ranked with the KW strategy i use in the study.

                                    I go after a lot more competitive kws and throw a TON of links at them.

                                    Like if it takes me a week to rank for a keyword that provides me with $100 month in income. I just keep doing that over and over. It adds up pretty quickly actually.
                                    Yeah I also kind of missed that you use TrafficKaboom and ArticleRanks, amazes me that those networks survived the deindexing wave back then.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
                                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                      Yeah I also kind of missed that you use TrafficKaboom and ArticleRanks, amazes me that those networks survived the deindexing wave back then.
                                      Right.

                                      I use 3 other networks as well on top of that.

                                      I prob spend about $1k month on links all-in-all.

                                      Then about $1k on content for my sites.

                                      I will get hit at some point, no doubt about it.

                                      I am just hoping to keep building fast enough an using enough different link sources that i dont get totally screwed when it happens.

                                      I am going to start buying pr domains and building my own network.

                                      Or even start sites with low volume HQ paid links and tons of HQ content/get in to g-news etc.

                                      I really want to hedge myself so no matter which way the algo goes, ill still be making bank.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
          Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

          You seem like you dont feel like you have to walk on egg shells, where google is concerned. ALLOT of people on here do feel that way and it is really draining to try and fit into all the do's and dont's
          Beware of those with something to sell

          I lost 90% in April. I actually moved up in the serps with this update.
          Things I didn't do this time:
          fiverr gigs to my money sites. paid blog networks.

          Things I did differently this time: created blogs and minisites linking to my money sites. Used links to my money sites SPARINGLY I treated each of these blogs and minisites as real websites and linked to my money sites randomly along with other useful backlinks.
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      Originally Posted by Bestseller91 View Post

      Now that really seems to be a penalty ..
      Btw , do you ever sleep Nik ?
      Yeah and that's not only from 2 sites that I own myself, that's also from dozens of sites that I heard from people at a private forum.

      I'm back in a normal sleeping rhythm again, my days are like 25 hours so each week it's different, that's to keep people confused
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  • Profile picture of the author dcary13
    This EMD thing is part of the general google algo - at last the score. That means it effects the quality ranking at all. If the EMD update gives you a malus, that malus counts as general malus like bad SEO or spam and thats the reason why your whole site goes down. Its nothing counted parted for the keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by scottmacair View Post


    I can't see low quality web 2's used for backlinking lasting much longer either - no social engagement in the form of twitter, facebook, or comments, very few pages of content, no backlinks or a huge amount of automated backlinks.
    Thats probably true in mass but I can't see Google developing an algo to devalue its own Blogger and they can't open themselves up to even more antitrust issues by devaluing competitors web 2s so its not going to be a knock across the board.

    So it will all come down to quality, authority metrics and quantity. Thousands of any one kind of site is bad going forward and as you said thats going to apply eventually to almost any tier level. All Google has to do is lower the Pr and any other kind of juice a site passes if they have that juice from mass spam pointing to that site. Doesn't matter what tier or how many you use they already have that data sitting in their database.

    So you are better off with a handful of Web 2.Os that you can do some quality control on and getting quality links to those as well
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  • Profile picture of the author djlest
    Mattcutts.com

    His EMD is doing just fine

    pregnancy.co.uk apparently is a poor quality site with crap content

    funnny that - Matts site is more important than expectant mothers or perhaps he thinks his content is superior!

    its a penalty folks, not the bonus removed.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by djlest View Post

      Mattcutts.com

      His EMD is doing just fine

      pregnancy.co.uk apparently is a poor quality site with crap content

      funnny that - Matts site is more important than expectant mothers or perhaps he thinks his content is superior!

      its a penalty folks, not the bonus removed.
      If I go to Google.co.uk, pregnancy.co.uk is ranking #5. It's right behind some pretty big authorities. That seems about right to me.

      Seems to be doing just fine.

      Oh, and if I go to Google.com... pregnancy.com and pregnancy.org are both on page 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    Yes, you are utterly right. While creating backlings it is important to create quality backlinks. I think 2 to 5 quality backlinks are enough comparing to 100 low quality backlinks.
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    Stop doing fake bullsh*t and you won't have to worry about what comes next.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Interesting that every time the traffic to my main sites in one niche are hit by Google, the traffic to its allied blogspot site goes up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Justinl
    I think it is worth noting that Matt Cutts probably does not lie, but there is no assurance that he is right either. It is kind of unfair to assume that because he might have been wrong he was lying.
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  • Want to know what the next update is? I hope its a lizard update
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    I agree Matt does not lie but it is an algo after all. It eventually grinds wheat with chaff so a lot of good sites went down with a couple hundred bad ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Next update will target crappy links in the second tier of links. So everyone with their crappy pyramids will get hit and start crying. You know the ones who scream how awesome it works to blast the hell out of your web2.0's and such with Scrapebox and Xrumer. The so-called blackhat guys that actually don't know sh!t how to perform true black hat, that's whats next.

    Then in the future when there is more computer processing power we will probably see some very advanced alghorytm that will take care of poor up until reasonably well spun content.

    And then I think we've had the worse.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Panda, Penguin, EMD penalties..what next!?
    I don't view any of those updates as penalties... I view them as Google trying to clean up the junk. I think all this started when Google got called out by the media over the JC Penny drama. I knew Google was going to change a lot of things after that day.

    I think Google next improvement will be cleaning up spun and low quality content infestation that is diluting search results with trash.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottmacair
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I don't view any of those updates as penalties... I view them as Google trying to clean up the junk. I think all this started when Google got called out by the media over the JC Penny drama. I knew Google was going to change a lot of things after that day.

      I think Google next improvement will be cleaning up spun and low quality content infestation that is diluting search results with trash.
      Agreed - autospun content has got to by high on Matt's to do list. With so many WSO services using spun content i'm worried for a lot of warriors who buy these services.

      If you see any of these words run a mile: spun, blast, xrumer, scrapebox, pinged, profile links, secret sauce!
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    Google spankings hurt especially before the holidays. It seems ridiculous to penalize EMD, but not spammy spun content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    TRACKING DEVICES IN THE NECKS OF EVERY SITE OWNER AND CHIPS IN THE BRAINS OF EVERY CHILD

    MATT CUTTS DEMANDS CONTROL!
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    • Profile picture of the author cisin
      Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

      TRACKING DEVICES IN THE NECKS OF EVERY SITE OWNER AND CHIPS IN THE BRAINS OF EVERY CHILD

      MATT CUTTS DEMANDS CONTROL!
      LOL Yes you can definitely imagine it! When People for no reason keep guessing google's next update.

      Yes I do agree updates matters but whats the point of over thinking it
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Its been bad, but if it drives low quality sites down the SERPS for the long run, its all good for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author barger9
    i am little warried about these update....
    let see what will happen
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Yeah can't blame you wrong on that, and especially if you spend $1k/month on links, better get that network fast!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Yeah can't blame you wrong on that, and especially if you spend $1k/month on links, better get that network fast!!
      So are we friends now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Babar2b
    Before penguin webmasters were safe to be on the gray line but now you have to be on the white line to apply white hat techniques. Even article marketing has been affected a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    SEO is becoming more of an art rather than science. For 10 long years we had it easy. Google now wants every site to buy their ads to get traffic so they will continue to block all doors for free traffic. Eventually this will backfire at Google as increasingly their searches are full of irrelevant sites. Reminds me of Alta Vista searches before before people began switching to Google in droves.
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  • Profile picture of the author SugarKisses
    You won't have to worry about what comes next.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Not Using Adwords to Advertise Penalty
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