Natural SEO....is there such thing?

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Ive been having a little think about this lately.
Google want to see natual SEO practice on all websites (along with other things of course)
They don't want people buying links from high PR websites or even exchanging services i.e I will give you free iPhone if you give me a link on your high PR website.

How can it be natural though when we are going around commenting on blogs that really we dont have much interest in and wouldnt normally do anyway? That isnt natural in my eyes because they ONLY reason we do it is because we want to rank high in Google.

Why do we create hundreds of articles each month surrounding the subject of our niche and more often run out of stuff to talk about? This isnt natural again....we are ONLY doing it to get high ranks in Google.

Same goes for creating lots of web 2.0's, submitting out articles to directories.

Would you really class all this crap as natural?? When we only do it because it gets us high on Google.
Lets face it.....if this didnt help us get any high rankings we certainly wouldnt do it!!
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    The concept of natural link building is, that other people build links for you. Like sharing your content on Facebook or tweeting, or placing a link on a forum. That's natural.

    When you say about blog commenting, your saying you can't be bothered, if you have something interesting to say you will make the process of building links more fun.

    Writing content and submitting it just to get backlinks is not natural, you should be writing informative articles, so that people share your article across the Internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

    Ive been having a little think about this lately.
    Google want to see natual SEO practice on all websites (along with other things of course)
    They don't want people buying links from high PR websites or even exchanging services i.e I will give you free iPhone if you give me a link on your high PR website.

    How can it be natural though when we are going around commenting on blogs that really we dont have much interest in and wouldnt normally do anyway? That isnt natural in my eyes because they ONLY reason we do it is because we want to rank high in Google.

    Why do we create hundreds of articles each month surrounding the subject of our niche and more often run out of stuff to talk about? This isnt natural again....we are ONLY doing it to get high ranks in Google.

    Same goes for creating lots of web 2.0's, submitting out articles to directories.

    Would you really class all this crap as natural?? When we only do it because it gets us high on Google.
    Lets face it.....if this didnt help us get any high rankings we certainly wouldnt do it!!
    You hit the nail on the head. Content websites are very unnatural. Sure, newspapers update all the time on NEWS. But all these 'niche' websites constantly writing the same articles based only on keywords are very unnatural.

    Then you have to 'build links' to try and prove your content website is different than everyone's else because it's so 'popular.' In many ways, this is becoming a losing battle. How many people will naturally link to a piece of content based on keywords about a niche? Not too many I would imagine. That's why all content-based website owners end up having to keep linking and 'doing social.'

    In reality, a better approach is to build a website that actually 'does something.' A unique tool. A service you sell. Build something that justifies the long hours of work you're putting in. Content only websites are becoming the Dinosaurs of a dead and decaying Google-oriented internet.

    Build a website that accomplishes some sort of purpose, and the rest will be a lot easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShelleyW
    Yes, natural links are beneficial for the websites and building links should be search engine friendly and build according to search engine guidelines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    Like signature links from an IM forum to homecoming dresses? :p
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    Online earning is becoming popular in Bangladesh. Students are more interested . But most of the student haven't clear concept .To earn satisfied amount everybody should clear concept about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
    Thing is though I have a website that is based around my own particular service I provide, adsense (hopefully) and Amazong aff. Im not basing it around content.

    When you have a new website obviously you need to get to the top in order to gain traffic to your website in order for people to share your webiste or content around the web.

    So its a catch 22 situation?
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      Thing is though I have a website that is based around my own particular service I provide, adsense (hopefully) and Amazong aff. Im not basing it around content.

      When you have a new website obviously you need to get to the top in order to gain traffic to your website in order for people to share your webiste or content around the web.

      So its a catch 22 situation?
      Is there anything unique or newsworthy about the service your offering? Trying to get a 'splash' of coverage would probably be better than just building links. Google is getting very suspicious of many of these links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Is there anything unique or newsworthy about the service your offering? Trying to get a 'splash' of coverage would probably be better than just building links. Google is getting very suspicious of many of these links.
        Ummm not really to be honest......I suppose if we literlly created a product to assosiate with the service then this would be very unique, which we aim for in the future, but at the moment dont have the finances for it.

        Thing is though our competitior has about 800 really crappy non worthy links to their website but wont budge from #1
        Their website is full of just adsense

        I dont get it :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

          Ummm not really to be honest......I suppose if we literlly created a product to assosiate with the service then this would be very unique, which we aim for in the future, but at the moment dont have the finances for it.

          Thing is though our competitior has about 800 really crappy non worthy links to their website but wont budge from #1
          Their website is full of just adsense

          I dont get it :confused:
          How old is the domain and how many backlinks do you have?
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          • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
            Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

            How old is the domain and how many backlinks do you have?
            My domain is older than theirs its 10 years old. (An EMD)
            But ive only just published the site 2 weeks ago.

            Ive made about 10 backlinks in total though
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            • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
              Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

              My domain is older than theirs its 10 years old. (An EMD)
              But ive only just published the site 2 weeks ago.

              Ive made about 10 backlinks in total though
              I would suggest just bombing backlinks. If you have a lot of time on your hands do the tiered linking approach.

              Build 10 Web 2.0s (Wordpress, Tumblr, etc). Write ten decent articles and link to your homepage using 10 variations of your primary keywords. Next, bomb those Web 2.0 pages using Fiverr gigs. $50 total outlay. Use 'Pligg Bookmarks etc).

              It's not pretty, but it should work for the niche you're describing
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              • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
                Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                I would suggest just bombing backlinks. If you have a lot of time on your hands do the tiered linking approach.

                Build 10 Web 2.0s (Wordpress, Tumblr, etc). Write ten decent articles and link to your homepage using 10 variations of your primary keywords. Next, bomb those Web 2.0 pages using Fiverr gigs. $50 total outlay. Use 'Pligg Bookmarks etc).

                It's not pretty, but it should work for the niche you're describing

                Eeek thats touch and go aint it....is that going to be bad in googles eyes?
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                • Profile picture of the author linkbuildr
                  Yes that was awful advice as per usual on this forum.
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                  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                    Originally Posted by linkbuildr View Post

                    Yes that was awful advice as per usual on this forum.
                    Sure it is. It's real world advice. She said her site doesn't stand out from her competitors. She doesn't offer a unique service or product. Her competitor has a weak backlink profile.

                    She also doesn't want to spend a lot of money on marketing etc.

                    In the real world, buffer sites work fine. The only links to her website would be well written content as I said in my post. Then you send in Pligg bookmarks or something similar to make sure those pages are indexed. Simple, mechanical SEO really.

                    Or she can do it your way. Which was what again?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
                      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                      Sure it is. It's real world advice. She said her site doesn't stand out from her competitors. She doesn't offer a unique service or product. Her competitor has a weak backlink profile.

                      She also doesn't want to spend a lot of money on marketing etc.

                      In the real world, buffer sites work fine. The only links to her website would be well written content as I said in my post. Then you send in Pligg bookmarks or something similar to make sure those pages are indexed. Simple, mechanical SEO really.

                      Or she can do it your way. Which was what again?
                      Could this way eventually get me kicked out of the SERPS?
                      As im worried that would happen.
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                      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                        Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

                        Could this way eventually get me kicked out of the SERPS?
                        As im worried that would happen.
                        What exactly would you get kicked out of the SERPs for. You're allowed to write content on Web 2.0s. That's what they're there for. Those pages would have one clean text link back to your main site and the pages themselves would be well-written and add value. Google isn't going to go a second level down to penalize you (or anyone else for that matter.)

                        The second layer of links is just to make sure the pages get indexed. If you're squeamish about 'blasting' the Web 2.0s, use High PR directories instead. Those will be around $20 each for a total of $200. I have a list of preferred ones if you need it.

                        Since you made it sound like your main competitor is weak, I proposed a simple, cost effective, and quick solution to overtaking them. And it's all 'White Hat' too.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
                          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                          What exactly would you get kicked out of the SERPs for. You're allowed to write content on Web 2.0s. That's what they're there for. Those pages would have one clean text link back to your main site and the pages themselves would be well-written and add value. Google isn't going to go a second level down to penalize you (or anyone else for that matter.)

                          The second layer of links is just to make sure the pages get indexed. If you're squeamish about 'blasting' the Web 2.0s, use High PR directories instead. Those will be around $20 each for a total of $200. I have a list of preferred ones if you need it.

                          Since you made it sound like your main competitor is weak, I proposed a simple, cost effective, and quick solution to overtaking them. And it's all 'White Hat' too.
                          I want to trust you.....
                          So spamming the shizzle out of a web 2.0 with relativly okish backlinks wont harm my money site?
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                          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                            Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

                            I want to trust you.....
                            So spamming the shizzle out of a web 2.0 with relativly okish backlinks wont harm my money site?
                            You don't need to trust me. You need to trust your own judgment. Will Google really care how a Web 2.0 got its backlinks? Then will they pin the whole crime on you by following the Pligg bookmarks to the Web 2.0 and to your main site?

                            It's pretty farfetched, really. Further, Pligg bookmarks aren't 'spam' by anyone's definition. These are bookmark sites (very low quality sure), that are open to the public for submission. The people at Fiverr are merely automating the process of submitting to 1,000 of them at once. They create 1,000 backlinks to the Web 2.0. The Web 2.0 links to the money site.

                            Simple, really. That's why so many 'simple folk' rank so well in Google. Other people want to to make it harder than it is and make up all sorts of rules that don't exist. As long as the quality on your main site is good and the the content on the Web 2.0 is good, why would a search engine get mad?
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    Agree with PeformanceMan. Links don't grow on trees. "Build it and they will come" is a fiction better left to loony movies and Googlites. In reality you must build links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    If you are afraid of building links, you can do something like this:

    Keep your money site clean, while building links to another (a buffer) domain that you 301 to your money site. This way the buffer domain ranks for the keywords but the visitors end up on your "real" site.

    If something bad (read Google slap) happens to the buffer site, you can remove the 301 (thus effectively removing all links to your money site) and either repeat the same process with another domain or go on creating high quality links to your money site.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

      If you are afraid of building links, you can do something like this:

      Keep your money site clean, while building links to another (a buffer) domain that you 301 to your money site. This way the buffer domain ranks for the keywords but the visitors end up on your "real" site.

      If something bad (read Google slap) happens to the buffer site, you can remove the 301 (thus effectively removing all links to your money site) and either repeat the same process with another domain or go on creating high quality links to your money site.
      A 301 redirect is permanent. That means all of the link juice will be passed on to the new domain name. Don't do this op
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      • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
        Sorry mate, but how in the world a 301 redirect is permanent? Yes, literally it means a site is "permanently moved" but in fact it's just a piece of code added to the .htaccess file.

        The link juice will pass as long as the redirect is there (which you can remove in a heartbeat.)

        Here is a definition from Yahoo:

        What's a 301 redirect or permanent redirect?


        A 301 redirect is "permanent" according to the W3C status codes. This means that the requested URL is designated by the server as "permanently moved," as opposed to "found -- temporarily moved" (a 302 redirect). You can edit or delete 301 redirects at any time. The setting itself is not permanent.
        Using a 301 redirect instead of a 302 redirect to direct traffic from a previous page URL (or Old Page URL) to a new location (New Page URL) can help retain a site page's search engine ranking when the URL of a page changes.



        Originally Posted by options View Post

        A 301 redirect is permanent. That means all of the link juice will be passed on to the new domain name. Don't do this op
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      • Originally Posted by options View Post

        A 301 redirect is permanent. That means all of the link juice will be passed on to the new domain name. Don't do this op
        This is correct. I suggest to the OP to NOT do this. Unless you want to loose all that link juice.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I used to do web 2.0s, followed a whole diagram. I used to do private blog networks such as BuildMyRank and ABC backlinks and Article Ranks. I hated it didn't like it.

    All I do now is go for low competition keywords, write the best content that I can write, ping it, and do a couple social bookmarking (FB/Twitter/etc.). I don't know if this helps but I have a lot of friends on Facebook (90 percent of them I know personally), and they support me by liking my page, so I'm not hiring a bot or whatever to like my page. Assuming that social media and what not helps out.

    But that's it. No searching for high PR backlinking on my end, or creating backlinks , web 2.0, blog networks, etc. But I have nothing against it. Just my preference.

    And where are my sites? Well the main site that I've been working on is all over page 1-3 with 90 pages of pure content written by me. I used to hire people from iwriter.com but they are a bunch of crap. I realized man, I can do better than these fools. Why spend $5 when I can just take the time to polish up my writing skills (haven't written a damn essay since 2010, which is when I graduated), learn how to write accordingly, etc.

    As a matter of fact, I'll probably go on gamespot.com or cnet.com or even ign.com and take notes on their writing skills and I implement that.

    But as Mike Anthony says, don't listen to me!
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I used to do web 2.0s, followed a whole diagram. I used to do private blog networks such as BuildMyRank and ABC backlinks and Article Ranks. I hated it didn't like it.

      All I do now is go for low competition keywords, write the best content that I can write, ping it, and do a couple social bookmarking (FB/Twitter/etc.). I don't know if this helps but I have a lot of friends on Facebook (90 percent of them I know personally), and they support me by liking my page, so I'm not hiring a bot or whatever to like my page. Assuming that social media and what not helps out.

      But that's it. No searching for high PR backlinking on my end, or creating backlinks , web 2.0, blog networks, etc. But I have nothing against it. Just my preference.

      And where are my sites? Well the main site that I've been working on is all over page 1-3 with 90 pages of pure content written by me. I used to hire people from iwriter.com but they are a bunch of crap. I realized man, I can do better than these fools. Why spend $5 when I can just take the time to polish up my writing skills (haven't written a damn essay since 2010, which is when I graduated), learn how to write accordingly, etc.

      As a matter of fact, I'll probably go on gamespot.com or cnet.com or even ign.com and take notes on their writing skills and I implement that.

      But as Mike Anthony says, don't listen to me!
      You're like one of those guys who finds religion after being a womanizing boozer You're a reformed back linker!
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    It tells the search engines that the site is permanently moved.... Therefore all the links pointing to the old URL are passed on to the new URL. So you saying build a load of links to the old URL will not affect the new URL is wrong. All the links will get passed on.

    A 301 is a permanent redirect. A 302 is a temp redirect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
    All the links will pass on until you remove the 301... So, if I 301 page A to page B, then build a lot of links to page A; you are saying that page B will keep all the link juice when I remove the redirect?

    Nope.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

      All the links will pass on until you remove the 301... So, if I 301 page A to page B, then build a lot of links to page A; you are saying that page B will keep all the link juice when I remove the redirect?

      Nope.
      Well, what's the point of setting up a 301 then? It's not going to give a site any benefit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
    This forum is so confusing!

    Finding blogs surrounding my subject that have high PR is rare.....trying to get people to let me guest post on their blog again rare....they dont understand why I would wanna do that or what they will gain from it!

    Forums relating to my subject dont allow links on their website or in your sig.

    So really I have NO idea where im meant to or how im meant to manually backlink anymore?
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      ....trying to get people to let me guest post on their blog again rare....they dont understand why I would wanna do that or what they will gain from it!
      They gain by having quality writers adding lots of fresh, regular content to their site.

      I googled "submit a guest post" and found lots of sites willing to at least let you submit something. Hopefully, you'll find something in, or closely related to, your niche
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabelate
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    We have options to use web 2.0 sites, top article directories for creating backlinks of our sites..

    Any links obtained by providing fresh and quality content is quality backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author santoshsharma
    it is difficult to get good natural back links until your are famous like God.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by santoshsharma View Post

      it is difficult to get good natural back links until your are famous like God.
      Best quote of 2012.
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    • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
      Originally Posted by santoshsharma View Post

      it is difficult to get good natural back links until your are famous like God.
      made my night
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  • Profile picture of the author TomerN
    I think it's naive to think every single for-profit website on the Internet is unnaturally SEO'd. There are many legitimate websites that did SEO the old-fashioned way, meaning other people built links for them because they enjoyed their content, shared their content, etc. In fact, MOST websites are 'naturally' SEO'd.

    From my experience I've found building a "real" website actually helps a lot with SEO. People tend to naturally come visit, leave comments, share your content, and more.
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