Recommend SEO companies?

Because most won't have the users best interest at hand.

I can assure you, whomever he's looking to hire is not someone sligning "SUPER SECRET RANKING SAUCE".

Well make it three because sorry man - You have absolutely no idea about what you are talking about. Mike had every reason to step in and correct you on your false points. Seriously just look at at some of them

Theres a cutoff for the amount of QUALITY links a SEO could possibly deliver? You made that up out of thin air. Sites have content that go viral and get thousands of links. there is no penalty for too many links if they are quality. Not like we are talking about spammy links here.

Here you demonstrate you really don't have a clue at how REAL SEo is done. I see this alot from people who think that WF and IM SEO represents what real SEO is. They can't imagine what else a SEO can do but fire up SenukeX or do some guest blogging. Real SEO involves some pretty time intensive stuff. Some of the standard practices are contacting webmasters and negotiating links. You can end up spending hours getting one link. Some links end up costing dollar bills . You going to pay that out of $600 and still make a profit? You probably think so because you are probably unaware of the costs. Another main line REAL SEO technique is link bait. That is you prepare not only content but a strategy of getting the content to go near viral or viral within a niche. So you end up creating the content then market the contetn just to get some links. The nature of link bait is it is hit or miss. You may have to come up with 5-10 such campaigns before one works. Each one will take many man hours. Add to that in REAL SEO you can't rely on $5 articles and the going rate for a good writer (by world standards not WF) is $25-$60 an article AND MORE.

Try paying all of that out of $600 a month

ANd what Mike has pointed out is that that level of SEO knowledge is not very high

Seriously?

been here three years and I don't think I have ever read anyone claim expertise so directly based on making 200 posts in one week.

Anyway Mike was not posting to get on you. This is a public board. Most times SEOs who know what they are talking about step in to make sure other people reading don't get the wrong idea from people who really should not be giving out false facts.

The thread is on topic. This is not an advertising thread. If you don't discuss issues of price and what various companies will do for what they charge then what would you do? just put out names for free advertising for those companies? If for some reason the OP does not want discussion of issues surrounding who to pick and just wants names there is a section for hiring people here at WF.


For someone who just basically tried to trash every higher priced SEO you are not making a good point. IF anyone made the thread about that it was you.

Plus of course what a poster offers reflects his knowledge of SEO especially what he /she means by quality.

It's good to hear some comments or opinions from different sides of people who offer SEO services since you can determine their knowledge level somehow.

I did not single you out like a terrorist. I disagreed (as many people do on a range of topics on this forum) with 2 points that you made.

First, in regards to someone suggesting that the OP Google "SEO Company" to find a good service you said this...

I simply stated that from working directly with business owners for the past 12 years, they do in fact know what SEO is. They search for it all the time. They place ads looking for SEO services (visit Craigslist sometime). As I stated, five years ago, that was not the case. Today though more business owners are aware of SEO than are not aware of SEO.

I also said that those SEO companies trying to rank for those terms are in fact pretty good sources of SEO services if you can afford them. For one thing, you will not find too many SERPs that are more competitive than that. On top of that, to rank for "SEO Company", you have to be whiter than white. Who is better at identifying spammy link building techniques than other SEO's? And who is going to be faster to go crying to Google and filing a spam complaint?

While I wouldn't limit my search to just companies ranking for the term, they certainly are good solid SEO providers.


The second thing I disagreed about was your response to someone's inquiry about whether a $500-700/month budget was enough for their SEO. You said...

I was simply pointing out that without a lot more information, there is no way to adequately inform them if that is a sufficient budget or not. It might very well be twice what they need to spend. It might also only be a fraction of what they need to spend to reach their SEO goals. There might be 2 keywords involved that are relatively easy to rank for. There might be 25 really difficult terms they are trying to rank for.

Without asking more questions and trying to understand their situation better, nobody can really give them a correct answer.

I didn't even get into the part where you stated there is some kind of limit on how many quality backlinks a company can provide. That is really only limited by the budget. I can find acquire lot more quality backlinks for $10,000 a month than I can for $250 a month. I don't understand why you think there would be a limit, but whatever.

I did not attack you. I disagreed with you. For that you gave me an infraction for insulting you (at least that's what the infraction said).

Nonetheless, I still say the points you made were wrong. If someone tried to charge that person $500/month for SEO, they might be overcharging them or it might not be nearly a big enough budget to do the job. Without understanding the project more and what kind of competition is involved, that is impossible to say one way or the other.