How much content does it take to see 200 people a day?

by nest28
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I have a question for marketers that own large content based sites, especially the information type. How much content did it take to start seeing a good amount of traffic, say 200 people a day.


In the past I had sites with a 100 articles and that got me 80 to 120 people a day, so I'm curious to see would happen if a put 1,000 article on the same site. Without backlinking. Earnings was around 100 to 150 dollars a month via adsense, in the medical niche.


I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but if someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.
#200 #content #day #people
  • Profile picture of the author sanjayyadav
    You need to take help from Social Media sites. Because using social sites we can make our port or content more social.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by sanjayyadav View Post

      You need to take help from Social Media sites. Because using social sites we can make our port or content more social.
      Thank you, I guess lol, but I'm talking about getting traffic from google, most likely long tail queries.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        Thank you, I guess lol, but I'm talking about getting traffic from google, most likely long tail queries.
        Yeah. ROTFLMAO! What, you're not used to these kind of responses yet?

        I don't think it's the number of articles, but what's in them.

        Do a check on your medical site to see where the majority of traffic
        is going to. That would be a better indicator of how many articles
        equals a set number of visitors. Then, expand those articles for
        a bigger footprint. That's what google is sending people to
        your site for.

        Having 1,000 articles "just because" will not mean much if only 20
        get traffic.

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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by sanjayyadav View Post

      You need to take help from Social Media sites. Because using social sites we can make our port or content more social.
      Yes because whatever Nest28 is talking about on his site, he's going to convert with these social media sites because they're just that damn target-able.

      Forget about your content being more social, if anything get it indexed through social media that's it.
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      • Profile picture of the author zakizarifah
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Yes because whatever Nest28 is talking about on his site, he's going to convert with these social media sites because they're just that damn target-able.

        Forget about your content being more social, if anything get it indexed through social media that's it.

        Are you talking going viral?

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by zakizarifah View Post

          Are you talking going viral?

          Thanks
          No it's a joke.
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          • Profile picture of the author zakizarifah
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            No it's a joke.

            LOL. You got me
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    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables
    You're right.

    Nobody could even begin to estimate that. Sometimes just a few articles promoted right will get you those results. Other times people might create hundreds of articles and come nowhere close to those numbers.

    There is no magic number.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You're right.

      Nobody could even begin to estimate that. Sometimes just a few articles promoted right will get you those results. Other times people might create hundreds of articles and come nowhere close to those numbers.

      There is no magic number.
      I know, but there are a couple people I know, Ggpaul is one of them who has a certain amount of articles and gets a certain amount of traffic. I myself was able to get the same amount of traffic from each one of my old sites just by having 100 articles.

      That's why I said rough estimates. I have couple throw away sites with 12 post or less that have gotten 400 visitors in the past month, and the content is the same as amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ledux
    100-500 articles. Well you know it really depends on a lot. By the way I wont recommend to post 1000 articles all at once.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Depends on the keywords you are targeting and how strong your backlinks are.
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      • Profile picture of the author jovykhan
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post


        This site Off the Shoulder Tops for example doesn't rank for "off the shoulder tops" but gets traffic from long tail queries such as this:
        I just wondered how this site gets some traffic when the content is scraped. I have the same site that is scraped from Amazon but after those updates it's nowhere to be found.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      Depends on the keywords you are targeting
      ^^^^This^^^^

      Number of articles is irrelevant. The keywords and your ranking are what count.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    A single ranked page/keyword could deliver more than 200 traffic per day, even on longtail traffic.

    I have one keyword phrase that is 6 words & delivers about 50 hits per day, it's one of those keyword phrases you don't try & rank for, it just happens sometimes.

    My point is, you never know what keyword/phrase will deliver traffic until you actually rank a page for the keyword.

    If it was me, I would use that list of keyword phrases for fishing for traffic in the SERPs.

    1. sexy black and white off the shoulder tops for plus size
    2. black off shoulder long sleeve dress
    3. black off shoulder tops with short sleeve on sale
    4. black off the shoulder blouses for plus size women
    5. fun off the shoulder tops


    Build all your links pointing at a single page, then once a week swap out each keyword phrase on the page (page title, on-page, etc...), this way you only have to build links once for a single page.

    Keep track of all the SERP traffic numbers for each keyword.

    After you cycle through all the keyword phrases (5 weeks, 5 keywords) pick the best performing keyword phrases & dump the rest.

    Next, build out the real pages & rank those pages for the known SERP traffic keywords.

    Repeat...

    [edit]
    Also keep in mind, some of those keywords you have might be seasonal (short sleeve). I wouldn't test a summer keyword/traffic in winter.
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    • Profile picture of the author DPM70
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If it was me, I would use that list of keyword phrases for fishing for traffic in the SERPs.
      What do you mean like this?

      1. sexy black and white off the shoulder Perch for plus size
      2. black off shoulder long sleeve Cod
      3. black off shoulder tops with short Haddock on sale
      4. black off the shoulder Salmon for plus size women
      5. fun off the shoulder Trout
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    • Profile picture of the author zakizarifah
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post


      If it was me, I would use that list of keyword phrases for fishing for traffic in the SERPs.

      1. sexy black and white off the shoulder tops for plus size
      2. black off shoulder long sleeve dress
      3. black off shoulder tops with short sleeve on sale
      4. black off the shoulder blouses for plus size women
      5. fun off the shoulder tops


      Build all your links pointing at a single page, then once a week swap out each keyword phrase on the page (page title, on-page, etc...), this way you only have to build links once for a single page.

      Keep track of all the SERP traffic numbers for each keyword.

      After you cycle through all the keyword phrases (5 weeks, 5 keywords) pick the best performing keyword phrases & dump the rest.

      Next, build out the real pages & rank those pages for the known SERP traffic keywords.

      Repeat...

      [edit]
      Also keep in mind, some of those keywords you have might be seasonal (short sleeve). I wouldn't test a summer keyword/traffic in winter.

      Hi yukon

      I'm not sure I understand this fishing technique.

      Are trying to say is that rank all those keywords to #1 in google .
      One keywords at a time, then swap the keywords every week for a single page/post?

      Do the method to all your page/post.

      I hope I got this correct.

      PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I WRONG.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by zakizarifah View Post

        Hi yukon

        I'm not sure I understand this fishing technique.

        Are trying to say is that rank all those keywords to #1 in google .
        One keywords at a time, then swap the keywords every week for a single page/post?

        It doesn't have to rank #1 to know If traffic exist for a keyword. Example, If I have a page ranked #4 & I'm getting half way decent traffic, I'm pretty sure the #1 SERP position will double the traffic (chances are really good that will happen).











        Originally Posted by zakizarifah View Post

        Do the method to all your page/post.

        I hope I got this correct.

        PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I WRONG.

        Thanks

        Only when I want proof that traffic exist for a new keyword phrase.

        Example, say I have 5 similar keywords/phrases, I'll build links to a single page & use that page for testing only. This way I'm only building a few links for a single page, but still targeting 5 keyword/phrases (example). Simply swap out the keywords on the single page.

        You have to give Google time to index the page & then re-index the page for each keyword/phrase (example 5 keywords/weeks). I can usually get my test page re-indexed at least once a week, just add a site wide internal link pointing at the test page, when Google finds the new text on the test page they'll update the SERPs for the new relevant keyword/phrase.

        The key is relevancy when swapping out keywords on the test page, you don't want your keyword to be "mini skirts" one week & the next week be "tractor tires" (lol). You want your keyword phrases to be similar like the way nest28 had on his example list:
        • sexy black and white off the shoulder tops for plus size
        • black off shoulder long sleeve dress
        • black off shoulder tops with short sleeve on sale
        • black off the shoulder blouses for plus size women
        • fun off the shoulder tops

        I also edit the page title so I don't have to guess If Google has re-indexed the test page, example page titles:
        • keyword phrase 1
        • keyword phrase 2
        • keyword phrase 3
        • keyword phrase 4
        • keyword phrase 5

        Notice the numbers at the the end of each page title. You don't have to use numbers, just make it something that is extremely easy for you to spot in the SERPs to help speed things up while checking the SERPs.

        Going by the example above, at week number three, I would be looking for "keyword phrase 3" in Google SERPs & also checking my analytics for traffic numbers. I'm low tech on checking SERP traffic numbers, I use SEO SearchTerms Tagging 2 (STT2) on the Wordpress Admin., I don't allow any of that data to show on live web pages, only on the WP Admin. so I have some traffic numbers to look at in real time directly on the site.

        That STT2 plugin will only track Google traffic If they're not logged into a Google account, it's still a good indicator of how much traffic exist per keyword considering everyone in the world doesn't have a Google account, those people still search on Google SERPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It doesn't have to rank #1 to know If traffic exist for a keyword. Example, If I have a page ranked #4 & I'm getting half way decent traffic, I'm pretty sure the #1 SERP position will double the traffic (chances are really good that will happen).
          Okay, hijacking the thread alert....

          There are plenty of oldies like me who have been online since
          the early 90's. Those days were ripe for having to literally
          go to the 4th or 5th page for the REAL answer...

          Yahoo was basically the only game back then. I suspect that's
          one reason why people have a sour taste in their mouths. They
          remember the yahoo directory and lousy results.

          Today, I can't learn new tricks. I seldom click on the first result,
          and regularly go to the 2nd page. Unless it's a wikipedia-based
          answer I'm looking for. I can only assume many people have
          gotten bit by the "first result is junk" bug in the past. No, don't
          misunderstand what I'm saying. #1 for many terms is very
          valuable.

          All I'm saying, is that authority and some BS sites may take the
          first results, BUT...their laser relevancy for that search is lacking....
          people eventually get to your spot-on site.

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    stop thinkin' "I need more BLOODY content."

    and think "how can I create or outsource more higher quality content 500 - 1500 words"

    We do this, with tremendous results.
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    • Profile picture of the author vdek
      I just started my site 2 weeks ago(A tech blog in a niche), but with 17 articles I'm getting ~150/day and growing. I use youtube to market my site and create video content for it and my google search engine position is increasing by the day. I'm developing it as an authority site with the intention of hitting the Top 3 spots on google for the device/niche.

      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      stop thinkin' "I need more BLOODY content."

      and think "how can I create or outsource more higher quality content 500 - 1500 words"

      We do this, with tremendous results.
      It depends on what you're selling to your users. If you're selling your personality and opinion, outsourcing is probably not an option.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Thanx, Yukon,Ggpaul and Paulgl. I have data from my old sites analytics, i was going to do a experiment and put all of my old content on a new site since it's all medical related.


    It's not the fact that I'm all about content or I think there's a magic number of posts I should have, I have a couple thousand dollars worth of content just sitting there.


    This would be a experiment that wouldn't take much of my time, this way I can focus on other things, offline mostly.
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  • Profile picture of the author derfootmarcus
    Im not sure you really need that many posts to get 200 visitors a day.. and it sure wouldn't be considered a "large" site. Usually a niche site with 10-20 articles can get you that many... especially if you plan out the article content based on the search volume of the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Oh and Nest, I'm at 92 posts for one of my sites and I get about 70 views. It went down. Couple factors. 1) Google dance 2) The product absolutely sucks now and it's obsolete.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Oh and Nest, I'm at 92 posts for one of my sites and I get about 70 views. It went down. Couple factors. 1) Google dance 2) The product absolutely sucks now and it's obsolete.
      Thank you for being the only one to come anywhere close to answering my question. People are more concerned with telling me how the question can't be answer, when apparently it can since you just answered it.


      Over the last couple months I've seen certain people say they where working on building authority sites and that these sites started to pick up after a certain amount of time and content. All I asked for was rough estimates of how long and how much time it took so I could compare it to my own tests.

      I never said posting 200 articles would make my site a large/authority site, I never said I was crazy about content, yet people keep assuming all of these things instead of answering a simple question.


      If you didn't know the answer why comment, especially to say something smart, waste of time wouldn't you say.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but it someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.
    Anywhere between 1-1000000000 pages.

    Seriously, do you expect to get a useful answer with such a vague and general description?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      Anywhere between 1-1000000000 pages.

      Seriously, do you expect to get a useful answer
      Actually I should known better than to ask anything here, 20 response and only 2 useful answers, 1 by Yukon, and the other by Ggpaul.


      If some one asked me this same question I would told them what I know from my own experience, not oh this is impossible to answer.


      To the people who have built or is currently building large sites they could easily say "it took my site 60 post and 2 months to start seeing traffic, or "I write everyday and have 157 posts, now I'm seeing 200 visit a day" etc, it wasn't a hard question to answer.


      Every site I made started to see traffic at about 25 articles , long tail traffic that is. Once I got up to 100 articles I began to see 80 to 120 a day, sometimes I could make 20 dollars in a day and other times 0, and this is on 15 different sites, so all that it's to many variables crap goes out the window.


      And I'm not talking backlinking your way to the top of serps. I'm asking about long tail phrases, natural traffic.

      People talking to me like I'm some newbie just for asking a simple question, I guess that makes them feel like a pro huh.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Well I can't give you an experienced answer because I have never done it like that but......IF I were going to do it this is how I would go about it.

        I'd do keyword research on that niche - to keep it simple using something like Keywordmapro then run that through the adwords tool suggestions and compile them all together and then look at the traffic. Then i would eliminate all but the very long tail (which I think is what you were getting at and people don't understand). On those I would think my chances are good I would rank for a few of those terms being really long tail

        Lets say I did rank in one in 20 cases so 5% if its really long tail probably better but that seems reasonable based on the very long long tail I see you referencing. So I would look at the traffic projected for all the long tails I compiled and divide by 20 - then of course since even ranking number one doesn't give you all the searches then divide that by percentages ranking positions usually get (don't have them at my finger tip but they are widely available but like number one gets 70% of clicks etc )

        thats REALLY REALLY rough and bound to be off by magnitudes but at least you are then dealing with real numbers, reasonable goals and most importantly a system of really getting at accurate numbers going forward. If you are doing really long tail I would think by the time you get to a hundred or two articles that you would be getting a really good idea in your niche of how to increase that traffic.

        SO I agree to an extent with some of the others that you can't be really scientific with it but as a strategy I don't see an issue with it and I do think that with keyword research and numbers its not a ridiculous way of going at it. I might in fact try it myself since I pledged to myself to put more into my own sites in the coming year.

        Anyway that doesn't provide you with a number as you asked but I think it begins to hint at a system that might end up giving you an even more niche specific answers than anyone can give without looking at those numbers .
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Well I can't give you an experienced answer because I have never done it like that but......IF I were going to do it this is how I would go about it.

          I'd do keyword research on that niche - to keep it simple using something like Keywordmapro then run that through the adwords tool suggestions and compile them all together and then look at the traffic. Then i would eliminate all but the very long tail (which I think is what you were getting at and people don't understand). On those I would think my chances are good I would rank for a few of those terms being really long tail

          Lets say I did rank in one in 20 cases so 5% if its really long tail probably better but that seems reasonable based on the very long long tail I see you referencing. So I would look at the traffic projected for all the long tails I compiled and divide by 20 - then of course since even ranking number one doesn't give you all the searches then divide that by percentages ranking positions usually get (don't have them at my finger tip but they are widely available but like number one gets 70% of clicks etc )

          thats REALLY REALLY rough and bound to be off by magnitudes but at least you are then dealing with real numbers, reasonable goals and most importantly a system of really getting at accurate numbers going forward. If you are doing really long tail I would think by the time you get to a hundred or two articles that you would be getting a really good idea in your niche of how to increase that traffic.

          SO I agree to an extent with some of the others that you can't be really scientific with it but as a strategy I don't see an issue with it and I do think that with keyword research and numbers its not a ridiculous way of going at it. I might in fact try it myself since I pledged to myself to put more into my own sites in the coming year.

          Anyway that doesn't provide you with a number as you asked but I think it begins to hint at a system that might end up giving you an even more niche specific answers than anyone can give without looking at those numbers .
          Thank you for a very detailed answer. Sometimes I think things can get a little mixed up on the forum because words can be interpreted differently and taken out of context. If this was video chat I could explain in 2 minutes what it takes me to explaining in 20 posts here.


          These articles I speak of are from my old medical sites, so they are laser targeted at long tail phrases that don't even show up in keyword software. They were created based on the information I received from Google Analytic. In the past certain articles could get as much as 900 visits over the course of a few months, and these are for phrase that supposedly get 0 searches according to Google Adwords tool.


          My dilemma is I don't know if my old sites would have gotten that same traffic if not for the backlinks that was pointed at the homepage.


          Now the last time I attempted to use this content it didn't end well, something was wrong with the site I placed it on (blogger custom domain) after doing some checking around there I found out that the problem was technical, my posts weren't showing up in the serps. Now I've fixed that problem and just curious to see how things will play out.


          But until I see the results I came here just to see how others were doing with sites that contain hundreds of posts. I believe in using yahoo answers and Google analytic more than keyword tools. Once you know what people are searching for, what problems they have, you can create content based on that info.


          You would be surprised what my best earning pages were, homepage, and articles based on Google analytic.



          For example a phrase like "how many years do I have to attend school in order to become a nurse" could earn 3 or 4 hundred dollars in the course of a yr and bring in thousands of visitors in that time as well, I've had articles similar to that example pull in those kind of stats.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        Actually I should known better than to ask anything here, 20 response and only 2 useful answers, 1 by Yukon, and the other by Ggpaul.
        Don't take it personally. A few good warriors IMHO did not look at who
        posed the question. Then they forgot to actually put it in context to
        the ending of your question.

        If they had looked close, I'm sure a more thoughtful answer would have
        come out.

        What I'm hinting at, is that I will give a sarcastic answer to a new person
        who looks like they are spamming. I would also give a sarcastic or brash
        answer to an oldie who has now taken it upon themselves to spam
        a stupid thread after more stupid threads because they ran out of original
        material.

        I posted a thread yesterday that would have been ripe for sarcasm. I
        asked how much time making a new level of money needs to go by
        before you consider that your new normal. Of course anyone could
        just chime in stuff like: you never know, it goes up and down, 1 to 500 years,
        etc. I was just looking for what may be considered a good indicator.

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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Don't take it personally. A few good warriors IMHO did not look at who
          posed the question. Then they forgot to actually put it in context to
          the ending of your question.

          If they had looked close, I'm sure a more thoughtful answer would have
          come out.

          What I'm hinting at, is that I will give a sarcastic answer to a new person
          who looks like they are spamming. I would also give a sarcastic or brash
          answer to an oldie who has now taken it upon themselves to spam
          a stupid thread after more stupid threads because they ran out of original
          material.

          I posted a thread yesterday that would have been ripe for sarcasm. I
          asked how much time making a new level of money needs to go by
          before you consider that your new normal. Of course anyone could
          just chime in stuff like: you never know, it goes up and down, 1 to 500 years,
          etc. I was just looking for what may be considered a good indicator.

          Paul
          That's the problem though, to many people are worried about making sarcastic remarks instead of having a intelligent conversation.

          I left the forum for a month all together because of this same problem, but I figured hey this is a simple question, so things should go well lol, guess not.

          If I can't get input/advice from other marketers what is the point in having this forum? I've been in threads were people lost sight of the topic and decided to focus on me, for what I don't know.

          I'm here to learn, talk about marketing not insult anyone or defend myself from insults.



          This question can be answered, I will report back with a progress report as to how things went with this site. It has 202 posts and I scheduled one post a day to be published for the next 30 days.


          Whatever links this site has in from a long time ago, I'm guessing 20 or 30 links. I also want to see what will happen with no active link building, just content.



          Contrary to popular belief I'm not a idiot, I know it's possible to get 200 daily visits or more by backlinking to a keyword with high search volume.


          I also know it's possible for just 1 page to get that kind of volume, but that is not what I asked.


          Anyways thanx Paul and I don't take it personal anymore, I now know that this is the best this forum has to offer. I should have just inbox you, Mike, Ggpaul or Yukon.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I had a site with very longtail but with a huge amount of searches for each longtail, I killed the site accidentally though, time to build it up again, but I think with 20 articles it would easily get 200 visits a day. So it's all about the niche, the keywords, how it converts etc etc, as I am pretty damn sure that those 20 articles attract visitors that convert real poor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    I have a 1 page site that gets 400 visits a day... soo...

    The question is very hypothetical, in theory you can work it out by:

    1) Figuring out kws you can rank for.
    2) Figuring what position you can get.
    3) Figuring how much traffic you will get from that for your ranking.

    That being said thats stupid, keep taking action and refining your process

    I would build some links to
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    All you really need is just a couple EPIC articles of content to get the ball rollin... But then make sure you are promoting them pretty heavily. Via social media and articles and guest posts, etc...

    But then you need to continue writing good content on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaggyjay
    Though it's difficult to answer that question, based on my experience in creating multiple high-content sites; I'd say it may take anywhere from 250 to 300 pages pages of content.

    This would also depend on the niche. Something like say,... in the acne-related niche, can fetch those traffic numbers if the site is moderately SEO'ed.

    But again, this has been my personal experience. Don't think there's any real science behind it; although it can be broken down to being a numbers game.

    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I have a question for marketers that own large content based sites, especially the information type. How much content did it take to start seeing a good amount of traffic, say 200 people a day.


    In the past I had sites with a 100 articles and that got me 80 to 120 people a day, so I'm curious to see would happen if a put 1,000 article on the same site. Without backlinking. Earnings was around 100 to 150 dollars a month via adsense, in the medical niche.


    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but it someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by jaggyjay View Post

      Though it's difficult to answer that question, based on my experience in creating multiple high-content sites; I'd say it may take anywhere from 250 to 300 pages pages of content.

      This would also depend on the niche. Something like say,... in the acne-related niche, can fetch those traffic numbers if the site is moderately SEO'ed.

      But again, this has been my personal experience. Don't think there's any real science behind it; although it can be broken down to being a numbers game.

      This guy just inspired me. I am going for low competition keywords, so I'd think 250-300 for ME at least would reach that 200 views + a day or even more. It all depends on the niche and if that product is hot on the market! YAYUH.
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      • Profile picture of the author jaggyjay
        @GGpaul --

        Oohrah! Glad to be an inspiration.

        BTW, it isn't "200 views + a day" you can reach; but 200 unique visitors a day. So "views" will likely be more.

        Also, banging out a 100 - 150 page (or more) site isn't difficult if you know what to do.

        My formula is something along the lines of the following:

        - About 50 to 75 unique articles on the topic. These can be PLR, but they should be re-written.
        - About 50 related product pages. The bigger the niche, the more products can be found. Product "blurbs" or descriptions should be re-written too. This is actually the hardest thing to do because you have to search for and select related products for your site.
        - About 25 to 50 product-review or "resource" pages.

        Building a site like that can run you a few hundred bucks because of all the re-writing. Also, planning and automation is key as you don't want to spend an eternity building one either.

        I remember one site I built that had 300+ pages of quality content in a fairly competitive niche. I found an outsourcer who was willing to do all the content building for a measly $125. I felt that was such a low offer that I gave him another $125 as a bonus for a job well-done.

        Then I found another guy to create custom templates and graphics for another $50.

        While I was waiting for my outsourcers to complete their respective projects, I started finding and organizing the related products.

        Everything took about 1 month to complete. When all was done, I just launched the site. Less than a couple of months later the site was ranking with an instant PR3.

        Disclaimer: The above was done Pre-Penguin/Panda. So, don't expect the same ranking or PR results


        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        This guy just inspired me. I am going for low competition keywords, so I'd think 250-300 for ME at least would reach that 200 views + a day or even more. It all depends on the niche and if that product is hot on the market! YAYUH.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by jaggyjay View Post

          @GGpaul --

          Oohrah! Glad to be an inspiration.

          BTW, it isn't "200 views + a day" you can reach; but 200 unique visitors a day. So "views" will likely be more.

          Also, banging out a 100 - 150 page (or more) site isn't difficult if you know what to do.

          My formula is something along the lines of the following:

          - About 50 to 75 unique articles on the topic. These can be PLR, but they should be re-written.
          - About 50 related product pages. The bigger the niche, the more products can be found. Product "blurbs" or descriptions should be re-written too. This is actually the hardest thing to do because you have to search for and select related products for your site.
          - About 25 to 50 product-review or "resource" pages.

          Building a site like that can run you a few hundred bucks because of all the re-writing. Also, planning and automation is key as you don't want to spend an eternity building one either.

          I remember one site I built that had 300+ pages of quality content in a fairly competitive niche. I found an outsourcer who was willing to do all the content building for a measly $125. I felt that was such a low offer that I gave him another $125 as a bonus for a job well-done.

          Then I found another guy to create custom templates and graphics for another $50.

          While I was waiting for my outsourcers to complete their respective projects, I started finding and organizing the related products.

          Everything took about 1 month to complete. When all was done, I just launched the site. Less than a couple of months later the site was ranking with an instant PR3.

          Disclaimer: The above was done Pre-Penguin/Panda. So, don't expect the same ranking or PR results
          $125? What the heck. How many words? I'm about to pay my cousin $3 per article lol.

          Yes I only target unique visitors. I do want to get at 200 +. I feel good now since I'm at 91 posts, 70 unique a day around there.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    It really all depends on your traffic generation. I have owned websites that have had just 10 pages and attracted upwards of 200 unique's per day. Even then, I own a website that attracts ~200 on just one page, the others don't see anywhere near this traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author K Mec
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      It really all depends on your traffic generation. I have owned websites that have had just 10 pages and attracted upwards of 200 unique's per day. Even then, I own a website that attracts ~200 on just one page, the others don't see anywhere near this traffic.
      I agree. It is possible that one page can attrace 100 visitors in a day and sometimes no visitors with 100 pages also.

      It really depends upon what information it contents. if it is infomation on demand then may be you get visitors on single page content or else it will be useless to build 200-250 page site.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryingtolearn
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but it someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.
    I have a 2 month old amazon affiliate site, and as of now, there are 23 product reviews, 3 related articles in the niche, within 6 days, traffic on my site has gone up from 62 visits to 217 visits yesterday.
    And, the site has no backlinks, no promotion on social bookmarking sites, nothing, just on page seo! The visitors are from search engines only specially from Google.

    Though, I have no idea whether its due to Christmas coming up or not and if its gonna be consistent. But, still, you asked for a rough estimate, I provided the one. Hopefully, it will be helpful.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

      I have a 2 month old amazon affiliate site, and as of now, there are 23 product reviews, 3 related articles in the niche, within 6 days, traffic on my site has gone up from 62 visits to 217 visits yesterday.
      And, the site has no backlinks, no promotion on social bookmarking sites, nothing, just on page seo! The visitors are from search engines only specially from Google.

      Though, I have no idea whether its due to Christmas coming up or not and if its gonna be consistent. But, still, you asked for a rough estimate, I provided the one. Hopefully, it will be helpful.

      Thanks!
      This is the type of response I was looking for thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author AllenBrayan
    You need to update your blog on regular basis, and try posting on trending news. Like if your blog is about Social media then post stuff which is trending at that time. It could be "Facebook IPO" or "Investment in Twitter" etc anything which people may want to find out more. It can surely get you 1000+ updates in a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    Nest28,

    I can give you a definite answer. I have a blog that is 8 months old with 525 articles. I am now getting almost 400 UV per day. I write almost everyday. It's growing really fast and NO BACKLINKING.
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  • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I have a question for marketers that own large content based sites, especially the information type. How much content did it take to start seeing a good amount of traffic, say 200 people a day.


    In the past I had sites with a 100 articles and that got me 80 to 120 people a day, so I'm curious to see would happen if a put 1,000 article on the same site. Without backlinking. Earnings was around 100 to 150 dollars a month via adsense, in the medical niche.


    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but it someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.
    That is a pretty random question. Depends on the content/keyword focus. There are a number of factors that go into seeing a good amount of traffic..
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  • Profile picture of the author sarged2
    I think this would really depend to your backlinks.

    And the backlinks in turn would depend to two factors, if you just have some high pr homepage domain, then it would get roughly saying divided through your articles, and the more articles the less pr in total, and the less the rankings. The pr algorithm is logarithmic though, so doubling or even tippling the articles wouldn't hurt much. But that right, you cant at all predict it with google results.

    The second factor is that if you post QUALITY content, many people will like it, submit it to stubmleupon and tweet about it, and inevitably LINK to it, passing the pagerank and making it rank. If all 1000 are awesome, they would all more or less get some boost eventually, and would increase your income in a direct proportion. But if you build links artificially, you would need to cut all the external links, and make sure to divide your pr wisely among all the articles to get them boosted.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
      Originally Posted by sarged2 View Post

      I think this would really depend to your backlinks.

      And the backlinks in turn would depend to two factors, if you just have some high pr homepage domain, then it would get roughly saying divided through your articles, and the more articles the less pr in total, and the less the rankings. The pr algorithm is logarithmic though, so doubling or even tippling the articles wouldn't hurt much. But that right, you cant at all predict it with google results.

      The second factor is that if you post QUALITY content, many people will like it, submit it to stubmleupon and tweet about it, and inevitably LINK to it, passing the pagerank and making it rank. If all 1000 are awesome, they would all more or less get some boost eventually, and would increase your income in a direct proportion. But if you build links artificially, you would need to cut all the external links, and make sure to divide your pr wisely among all the articles to get them boosted.
      I think Nest28 wants info from people with experience. If you haven't done this, why are you responding? How do you know?
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

        I think Nest28 wants info from people with experience. If you haven't done this, why are you responding? How do you know?
        Are you an affiliate for anything? How are you monetizing?
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    Nest28...dude you gotta focus and start writing. Quite hanging out at this forum. You won't make any money here. Just pick a topic and write everyday. I talked to you several months ago when my traffic was about 45 UV per day...now its 400 UV per day. This could have been you. I made 40 sales last month.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
    I know that this might not be the type of response you are looking for, but it really does depend on (A) the niche and traffic potential of that niche, (B) the competition of that niche, and (C) the SEO of your website.

    To give you a more specific answer from my own experience:

    I have what you could call an information-based website with exactly 37 articles on it. They are all 1000+ words, highly optimized, and in a high traffic potential but low competition niche (what you could call a gold mine). The website is about three years old and the only back linking I have done is syndicating the articles from the website to article directories and automated social bookmarking. This website pulls in 500 unique views per day, give or take 100 depending on the day.

    I have a product review website that has over 90 articles on it, however each article is much more tightly targeted to product specific keywords. Despite having almost triple the content, this website never exceeds 120 views per day, and averages around 95 or so.

    I have another information-based website with a little over 50 articles on it, however they are not optimized, the niche is generally smaller, and I have not yet syndicated each and every article. The website is also only 1 year old. It gets about 40 to 50 views per day. However, this website generates just as much revenue as the other 2 websites combined because of a carefully constructed sales funnel.

    So, as you can see, it is very difficult to draw a direct correlation between the amount of content on and the amount of traffic to a given website. In the end...
    • If you want to get more traffic, but don't want to bother with promotion, then you need to write more content.
    • If you want to get more traffic, but don't want to bother with writing, then you need to do more promotion.
    Pretty simple.

    Hope this helps answer your question and motivates you to get to work =)
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      Nest28,

      I can give you a definite answer. I have a blog that is 8 months old with 525 articles. I am now getting almost 400 UV per day. I write almost everyday. It's growing really fast and NO BACKLINKING.
      Thanks I appreciate you taking the time out to give the type of answer I was looking for.
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      Nest28...dude you gotta focus and start writing. Quite hanging out at this forum. You won't make any money here. Just pick a topic and write everyday. I talked to you several months ago when my traffic was about 45 UV per day...now its 400 UV per day. This could have been you. I made 40 sales last month.
      I don't come here often, I'm currently working on this new medical site, you see the articles are already written which make this a easy project.

      I recently decided to transfer the articles to wordpress alos, I want to do the whole silo thing, plus wordpress has a lot more features than blogger. Thanx for the advice though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Coolneter
      Originally Posted by stephenwaldo View Post

      I know that this might not be the type of response you are looking for, but it really does depend on (A) the niche and traffic potential of that niche, (B) the competition of that niche, and (C) the SEO of your website.
      Yea, listen to what he said, you've got it right stephenwaldo and your actual experience shows in this post.

      i have several websites built around different niches, and i have taken advantage of brand new products which attract tons of traffic right before and after release. This traffic dies down to a more reasonable amount as time passes.

      But if you continue to feed the site with relevant information and how-to's about this product you can keep the traffic flowing. Essentially turning it into one big authority site.
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  • It is really hard to know how much contents should a site have have 200 viewings. Anyway, quantity should not only be the important thing. You should also have quality content in order to build a bridge to get your target number of viewers.
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I have a question for marketers that own large content based sites, especially the information type. How much content did it take to start seeing a good amount of traffic, say 200 people a day.


    In the past I had sites with a 100 articles and that got me 80 to 120 people a day, so I'm curious to see would happen if a put 1,000 article on the same site. Without backlinking. Earnings was around 100 to 150 dollars a month via adsense, in the medical niche.


    I know this may sounds like a newbie question, you know the type that can't be answered because of so many different variables but it someone could just give me some rough estimates I would appreciate, thank you.

    I have a weight loss blog, I have around 75-100 articles then I saw above 200 visitors a day.. But your earnings with adsense, considering your daily visitors is insane!
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Just an update. I'm at 102 posts for one of my sites and only getting 45 unique visitors. Many factors could be involved. No one searches my stuff anymore, people out ranked me, people sent spammy links, people copied my content, who knows. As far as I know most of my pages aren't even in Google anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Just an update. I'm at 102 posts for one of my sites and only getting 45 unique visitors. Many factors could be involved. No one searches my stuff anymore, people out ranked me, people sent spammy links, people copied my content, who knows. As far as I know most of my pages aren't even in Google anymore.

      Have you built any internal/external links?
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by alvinchua91 View Post

        But your earnings with adsense, considering your daily visitors is insane!
        Not really, I actually had times where some sites didn't earn anything for 2 weeks and turn around and earn 150 in the next 2 weeks, it's weird but it happens. I use to get paranoid all time thinking that when I wasn't earning something was wrong with my adsense account or my site lol.

        I foolishly deleted all of my sites data (I don't know what I was thinking) but I remember most of it , ctr was 3% percent for most of them if I remember correctly. The cost per click in the medical niche is high, which accounts for my earnings. I've said before that if I were in a low paying niche my sites what have never made any real money.

        Picking the right niche can mean the difference between you seeing 5 clicks that equaled 17.00 or 5 clicks that equal 2.56 . I had a make up site a very long time ago and received 30 or 40 cent clicks, so I would need thousands of visitors a day to make any real money.

        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Just an update. I'm at 102 posts for one of my sites and only getting 45 unique visitors. Many factors could be involved. No one searches my stuff anymore, people out ranked me, people sent spammy links, people copied my content, who knows. As far as I know most of my pages aren't even in Google anymore.
        Damn Paul, I don't know what's wrong with your site, maybe you should let Yukon have a look at it. Also maybe having other types of content on your site besides just review articles might help.

        For example if you reviewed a Panasonic 40 inch tv, have a article showing how to hook up a xbox 360 to it or something. It's strange that you say people only get to your site by using the keywords your trying to rank for and not a bunch of long tail queries.

        With all the content you have you should be seeing people get to your site by using all kinds of search terms which you could than turn into content, in some cases anyways.

        I really hope things get better and I appreciate your honesty, so many marketers say they make this or that and it can never be confirmed.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          Not really, I actually had times where some sites didn't earn anything for 2 weeks and turn around and earn 150 in the next 2 weeks, it's weird but it happens. I use to get paranoid all time thinking that when I wasn't earning something was wrong with my adsense account or my site lol.

          I foolishly deleted all of my sites data (I don't know what I was thinking) but I remember most of it , ctr was 3% percent for most of them if I remember correctly. The cost per click in the medical niche is high, which accounts for my earnings. I've said before that if I were in a low paying niche my sites what have never made any real money.

          Picking the right niche can mean the difference between you seeing 5 clicks that equaled 17.00 or 5 clicks that equal 2.56 . I had a make up site a very long time ago and received 30 or 40 cent clicks, so I would need thousands of visitors a day to make any real money.



          Damn Paul, I don't know what's wrong with your site, maybe you should let Yukon have a look at it. Also maybe having other types of content on your site besides just review articles might help.

          For example if you reviewed a Panasonic 40 inch tv, have a article showing how to hook up a xbox 360 to it or something. It's strange that you say people only get to your site by using the keywords your trying to rank for and not a bunch of long tail queries.

          With all the content you have you should be seeing people get to your site by using all kinds of search terms which you could than turn into content, in some cases anyways.

          I really hope things get better and I appreciate your honesty, so many marketers say they make this or that and it can never be confirmed.

          Why fake the funk? Well, I know the answer to that. People want to make money. But I don't need to fake the funk. I just want to succeed so bad as others so I can help myself, and my family out.

          I'm not going to make a WSO, or 1-on-1 coaching until I solidify what I do.

          Anyways, yeah there could be so many factors. Yukon did look into it. There was one error, which I don't KNOW if that could mess everything up? The niche I could be in is above and beyond saturated. We'll see.

          I'm close to doing backlinks again, but I just don't know where to start.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Just an update. I'm at 102 posts for one of my sites and only getting 45 unique visitors. Many factors could be involved. No one searches my stuff anymore, people out ranked me, people sent spammy links, people copied my content, who knows. As far as I know most of my pages aren't even in Google anymore.
      I take it that you're following Wolfmmii's strategy, so I'm guessing that you only write reviews for the latest products to hit the market.

      In my experience, hardly anyone is searching for these products to begin with, and after a while very very few people will be searching, as new technological products are coming out everyday.

      Furthermore, I take it that you will never write a review on one of Apple's or Microsoft's latest products to hit the market (the products which will actually get traffic). Even if you do, you're always going to get outranked by hundreds of sites which have more authority.

      Btw, I really don't think that you can't build any backlinks and still be successful. I think that's a terrible, terrible, terrible strategy for most people out there,and is only being used because people are scared of the big G.

      Websites always rank to start off with thanks to QDF but, after a while, Google sees no backlinks and will see no reason to rank your posts highly.

      Just my take. I haven't read through this thread or seen your previous posts, so I could be way off the mark, but maybe it's something to consider.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

        I take it that you're following Wolfmmii's strategy, so I'm guessing that you only write reviews for the latest products to hit the market.

        In my experience, hardly anyone is searching for these products to begin with, and after a while very very few people will be searching, as new technological products are coming out everyday.

        Furthermore, I take it that you will never write a review on one of Apple's or Microsoft's latest products to hit the market (the products which will actually get traffic). Even if you do, you're always going to get outranked by hundreds of sites which have more authority.

        Btw, I really don't think that you can't build any backlinks and still be successful. I think that's a terrible, terrible, terrible strategy for most people out there,and is only being used because people are scared of the big G.

        Websites always rank to start off with thanks to QDF but, after a while, Google sees no backlinks and will see no reason to rank your posts highly.

        Just my take. I haven't read through this thread or seen your previous posts, so I could be way off the mark, but maybe it's something to consider.
        You messaged me in the past. I thought we established that I use wolfs strategy. It's the niche. The niche that EVERYONE wants to get into because EVERYONE knows that PEOPLE will buy those items.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blakers
    I started an authority site at the beginning of November. Have posted 25 articles and have about 3-5 uniques/day. I'm not expecting massive traffic yet and realize that it will take time as I'm in a high competition niche. Monetization hasn't even crossed my mind. I have about 80 more articles queued up and I expect quite a bit of long tail traffic will ensue. My articles are minimum 800 words, some 1200. Pillar article 3000 words. (I'm a writer).

    My motivation comes from The Sales Lion by Marcus Sheridan. Without hesitation, go here and download the free eBook and learn the concept of inbound marketing. It'll make you motivated to write and write and write until your head is spinning, learning how to write to answer the public's questions and gain all the long tail traffic out there for your niche. It's a concept I'm 100% behind. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpwebsite
    Sorry for all the annoying replies, those are generally people just trying to show of there links (notice the majority of them [i think ] have decently long signatures)... since you seem to be looking for simple data I'll tell you mine. 9 months old, 70 articles, around 300 visits a day (however that was for one of my old sites and was killed around a year ago. I don't actively have any sites running ... sorry. If I start another site and get good data I'll pm you maybe .

    My biggest problem for trying to do things like this with 40 word keywords is I don't have adsense, so I need to use other options that pay worse or grow my sites to be very large so I can sell ads. Adbrite my next option pays significant less .
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  • Profile picture of the author Anurag96
    Without back links your blog will suffer even if you have 1000 or more articles on your blog as you already know that Google mainly judges your site by seeing the back links pointing to your site. So, Create Back links with Updating your blog with new posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author vdek
      Originally Posted by Anurag96 View Post

      Without back links your blog will suffer even if you have 1000 or more articles on your blog as you already know that Google mainly judges your site by seeing the back links pointing to your site. So, Create Back links with Updating your blog with new posts.
      If you have 1000 articles and no naturally formed back links by that point then you most likely have very low quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author ridzaienz
    i have 20+ posts and 100-180 unique visitor per days. average daily pageview 100-300, 5-15 clicks per days.average cpc 0.06-0.09. its so hard for me to get at least 0.2-0.3 cpc.
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