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How To Get Page Rank Without External Links

by webbyhubby
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Is it Possible To Get PR for Home Page with out external Links to that website

If Yes

1) What should be the number of pages
2) What should be structure of website
3) Is there any relation between number of pages in a website & its page rank - Then How much we can expect ?

If No

Which is the quickest & easiest way to get PR ( Free Methods )

1) Directory Submission
2) Article Marketing
3) Press Release
4) Blog Commenting & Other Methods ( keep in mind all google algo updates )

How Long it will take to get PR for new websites without any external links

Please Share your Knowledge/Experience/Opinion
#external #links #page #rank
  • Profile picture of the author BreakTheSec
    The answering no... you''ve try all of them.. and quality content. Link exchange
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    • Profile picture of the author JayBansal
      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      Is it Possible To Get PR for Home Page with out external Links to that website
      Yes, it is absolutely possible to get PR to a home page even if you don't have any backlink to your website. Just imagine what if all the backlinks to wikipedia are collapse in thin air. What do you think? Will wikipedia loose all its pagerank?

      Or for another example just imagine a new website like wikipedia coming up without any backlinks. What do you think? Will it not get any PR?

      If you have an authority site that is build on a specific niche then definitely you will attain some PR from Google. Remember the original Page rank specification by Google says that 'every web page contains a PR'. Now whether that PR is so low that it cannot be displayed on Google toolbar is definitely an issue but yes every page does have some PR associated with it.

      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      If Yes
      1) What should be the number of pages
      After the panda algorithm change, Google has made one thing very clear that it is not taking 'number of pages' under consideration but quality of pages. But still any website with around 50 quality and long pages will make Google take you seriously.

      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      2) What should be structure of website
      Not much to say rather watch matt cutts videos and you will get a good idea about website structure. As per me a good website is always easier to navigate.

      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      3) Is there any relation between number of pages in a website & its page rank - Then How much we can expect ?
      Yes there is definitely a connection between the number of pages and page rank. But after penguin algo update this strategy is not much clear. I recommend that you must create quality articles and not think more because today google may recommend higher number of quality pages and tomorrow it may recommend 'exact match domains' with quality content. Whatever the case may be but the content must always be quality.

      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      If No

      Which is the quickest & easiest way to get PR ( Free Methods )

      1) Directory Submission
      2) Article Marketing
      3) Press Release
      4) Blog Commenting
      None of them will work with penguin update rather follow a simple strategy to create a 'link bait' which is an authority page or tool that people like to link from there website. For example:- write a huge article on your niche and post it on your blog. Contact famous bloggers in your niche on facebook or twitter and tell them about this authority article. One tweet by them and you are on the way to get automatic backlinks to that post.

      Originally Posted by webbyhubby View Post

      How Long it will take to get PR for new websites without any external links
      I don't know. Let's see who answers this...
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      • Profile picture of the author realseowarrior
        Originally Posted by JayBansal View Post

        Yes, it is absolutely possible to get PR to a home page even if you don't have any backlink to your website. Just imagine what if all the backlinks to wikipedia are collapse in thin air. What do you think? Will wikipedia loose all its pagerank?
        Ofcourse wikipedia will loose all it pagerank.
        Or for another example just imagine a new website like wikipedia coming up without any backlinks. What do you think? Will it not get any PR?
        What is this nonsense? What do you mean by a new website like wikipedia comes up ? Definitely it will not get any PR until it gets backlinks.
        If you have an authority site that is build on a specific niche then definitely you will attain some PR from Google. Remember the original Page rank specification by Google says that 'every web page contains a PR'. Now whether that PR is so low that it cannot be displayed on Google toolbar is definitely an issue but yes every page does have some PR associated with it.
        Stop sounding to be so sure.An authority site can't be without backlinks in the first place. All i have known and experienced is that pagerank is a functions of how many high PR backlinks you have. Though i have seen some of my websites get a PR upto 2 without me creating any backlinks but again they had nice content that ranked for many search terms on google and there is a possibility that it got shared and linked back and hence the PR.

        All in all, no backlinks no PR.


        After the panda algorithm change, Google has made one thing very clear that it is not taking 'number of pages' under consideration but quality of pages. But still any website with around 50 quality and long pages will make Google take you seriously.
        What had panda to do with pagerank?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vivers
    I say yes with simply great content and lots of it
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    No you cannot get Page Rank without external websites pointing at yours.

    If wikipedia lost all incoming links it would lose it's PR

    There are websites coming up like Wikipedia everyday it's a popular site model and no they do not just establish a PR without links
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  • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
    Again tonight I get to say - sorry for being rude... BUT

    why does Page Rank even matter?
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    • Profile picture of the author 100KAffiliateManager
      Originally Posted by PotPie Queen View Post

      Again tonight I get to say - sorry for being rude... BUT

      why does Page Rank even matter?
      My thoughts exactly. PR is not going to help you get to page one of Google or increase your traffic, it's a by-product of the efforts that you put into building high-quality backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
    Double post... sorry!
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    • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
      Originally Posted by PotPie Queen View Post

      Again tonight I get to say - sorry for being rude... BUT

      why does Page Rank even matter?
      It's not a huge factor but typically websites with a Higher PR get indexed quicker because they are crawled more often.

      On top of that I'd like to imagine (probably not always true) that if a PR 7 website posts an article targeting a certain keyword and a PR 0 website does the same that the PR 7 will automatically pop up in the top 3 pages while the PR 0 will have to work to get to that point

      Think websites like CNET they post news on the latest Tech stuff and more often than not they're pretty much instantly on page 1
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      • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
        Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

        It's not a huge factor but typically websites with a Higher PR get indexed quicker because they are crawled more often.

        On top of that I'd like to imagine (probably not always true) that if a PR 7 website posts an article targeting a certain keyword and a PR 0 website does the same that the PR 7 will automatically pop up in the top 3 pages while the PR 0 will have to work to get to that point

        Think websites like CNET they post news on the latest Tech stuff and more often than not they're pretty much instantly on page 1

        All good points! But at the end of the day, it comes down to traffic and conversions, right? I don't think Page Rank matters so much at all...unless you want to sell links.
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        • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
          Originally Posted by PotPie Queen View Post

          All good points! But at the end of the day, it comes down to traffic and conversions, right? I don't think Page Rank matters so much at all...unless you want to sell links.
          Pretty much The best way to look at PR is a nice little bonus
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          • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
            Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

            Pretty much The best way to look at PR is a nice little bonus
            Totally agree!
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          • Profile picture of the author techndu2012
            rarely in ANY public discussion about page rank is there any one correct answer. It is complicated and confusing, mostly due to Google's own FUD. The only question asked that DOES have a definitive answer, (at least for the moment), is:
            Is it Possible To Get PR for Home Page with out external Links to that website

            the answer is an unequivocal NO ! ---- until very recently! (I'll explain at little later)

            No amount of content quality or otherwise, no number of pages, no nothing will do anything to get, raise or lower a site's PR without an external link. The entire premise of google was built on tracking and evaluating links. Without an external link (or you submitting it to webmaster tools), google would never even know the site existed.

            That said, it is VERY difficult to KEEP from getting an external link. Hosting companies, trust certificates, emails, clubs you join, forum posts, blog comments, profiles just to mention a few, provide an external link that google can follow and score.

            But as was mentioned by one astute member, WHO CARES! It has changed so much and been sooo toyed with google trying to keep from having to admit that counting links is only a little better than stuffing keywords in meta tags in controlling their serps. The result of all those attempts to perfect it is that it now does very little and offers even less.

            As mentioned, a higher PR does get crawled more often but that is about it and we're even see that changing.

            What is changing it?????

            SOCIAL MEDIA

            we have not done enough testing to be 100% sure yet but what has kept me in this business for 16 yeas is not KNOWING what google is doing or going to do, rather using the resources and research available from doing this stuff every day to make educated guesses and being right a lot more than being wrong.

            This is the case with what I'm about to say that I dont see ANYONE talking about.

            I believe it is now possible to get every benefit SEO used to expect from PR without any href links.

            We have strong evidence that just mentioning the name of a website has moved the site up in SERPS.

            Do a search for LSI (latent semantic indexing) going back to as early as 2003 and you'll see G has been filing patents all along about understanding the meaning of words in context to a conversation or a group of other words.

            Now when you couple that fact with the fact that if you go to your favorite forum or social platform and mention that you need new glasses, your gmail will start showing you ads from Vision Express (or whoever is willing to pay the most), it starts sounding more possible. Their ability to do that ad delivery is largely due to LSI and its offspring coupled with personalization and keeping history on everyone. So understanding that makes understanding how mentioning Microsoft on a forum like this one will add some trust points to Microsoft.com

            I'd LOVE to hear from ANY warriors who gets what im saying and is maybe testing this or a similar theory out themselves. Even if you haven't been watching up until now, maybe you could start watching and prove I'm wrong or that everything we've believed about seo is changing.

            If I'm right, (and I am :-) this is a HUGE game changer!!!! This would be a bigger deal than Panda~! So if you see this happening PLEASE either post or pvt message me as I'd love to look at it and discuss
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

        On top of that I'd like to imagine (probably not always true) that if a PR 7 website posts an article targeting a certain keyword and a PR 0 website does the same that the PR 7 will automatically pop up in the top 3 pages while the PR 0 will have to work to get to that point
        It's probably not anywhere true.
        There's nothing automatic.
        PR7 does get an automatic anything.
        That's a complete misunderstanding of PR.
        PR of a page does not directly transfer to another page
        in an instant.
        PR does not mean authority.
        PR does not mean the site is worth shinola.

        Only google knows what "keyword" they feel an article is really going for,
        and what search it should show based on many things. Like person, location,
        time of day, time of year, current news, circumstances, etc.

        You can mix up apples and oranges. If the WF had an article on some SEO
        keyword, and wikipedia had a similar article, the WF probably would win
        out. Google would think the WF is more of an authority on SEO.

        Relevancy can beat PR any day. PR does not mean relevancy. If it did,
        then nobody would ever beat wikipedia for anything, nor would they
        ever beat a higher PR page.

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  • Profile picture of the author JayBansal
    Originally Posted by realseowarrior View Post

    Ofcourse wikipedia will loose all it pagerank.
    What is this nonsense? What do you mean by a new website like wikipedia comes up ? Definitely it will not get any PR until it gets backlinks.
    You are absolutely right that any website that does not has any backlink will loose its PR, I also agree on that. What I wanted to point out was that we, as webmasters think that if any PR is being displayed on Google toolbar, only then that page has some Pagerank associated with it. This is not true, basically every webpage has some sort of pagerank which 'if' not displayed on Google toolbar does not mean that the page does not has any PR.

    That's why I said that create quality articles because backlinks is not the only method via which a webpage will attain pagerank. If the article has quality then it may get improved PR (although it may not be displayed on Google toolbar).

    But, yes you are right that any website getting PR 2, 3, 4 does have backlink support. Thanks for pointing out
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  • Profile picture of the author anexplore
    You have to do all of things with unique content.
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  • Profile picture of the author powerofschool
    Answer is No.

    The fastest method to get Good Pr for your website is get the backlinks from relevant

    and quality sites.

    Your site will be indexed sooner and you can get the Good pr soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Vivers View Post

      I say yes with simply great content and lots of it

      And you are completely wrong. With no links, there is no PR. End of story.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexseoking
    Google is looking more on what you have on your site so I think if you would have unique contents posted on your site then you would get a high chance of getting good PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by alexseoking View Post

      Google is looking more on what you have on your site so I think if you would have unique contents posted on your site then you would get a high chance of getting good PR.
      That is nonsense. PR has nothing to do with your content. Watch the first 30 seconds of the video Terry posted.
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      • Profile picture of the author sabujdesk
        If i want to get high for my site within 10 days ,what can i do ?
        Can i create back link where my competitor link has created ??
        Suggest me.
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    • Profile picture of the author realseowarrior
      Originally Posted by alexseoking View Post

      Google is looking more on what you have on your site so I think if you would have unique contents posted on your site then you would get a high chance of getting good PR.
      People have everything mixed up in their minds. Google might reward you with ranking benefits if you have properly optimized and good content but sorry no PR. You need pagerank you need backlinks nothing complex.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    You can always guarantee any discussion of PR will result in lots of confused and incorrect answers.

    I wrote a blog post earlier this year that talks about the obsession people have with PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Interesting topic.

    If each brand new page has literally ZERO pagerank, then where did all the pagerank come from when the internet started and the first site went online?

    It must have started somewhere right? Or could the very first website (from the militairy network right) pass on pagerank from a page that had zero pagerank? Like when you link out you do pass juice, but when it are millions of links from internal pages they do not pass pagerank.

    My theory, every brand new page on a brand new site has like 0.00000000001 PR or something like that as you simply can't have PR whatever site nowadays if it all started with zero cause then it would stay zero.

    Obvious I don't believe that great content leads to more PR or any, but I think the above theory has to be right. Funny enough I once launched a site with 500 pages the same day, in the PR toolbar update the site gained PR2, with only 1 or 2 backlinks from PR n/a pages, a week later it dropped back to PR0 again. Kind of the buggy behavious that you see more often, but perhaps it's not buggy at all but just an adjustment cause Google figured out the PR came from inner pages only and had to correct that.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Interesting topic.

      If each brand new page has literally ZERO pagerank, then where did all the pagerank come from when the internet started and the first site went online?

      It must have started somewhere right? Or could the very first website (from the militairy network right) pass on pagerank from a page that had zero pagerank? Like when you link out you do pass juice, but when it are millions of links from internal pages they do not pass pagerank.

      My theory, every brand new page on a brand new site has like 0.00000000001 PR or something like that as you simply can't have PR whatever site nowadays if it all started with zero cause then it would stay zero.

      Track down the very first page that ever had PR & crash the server, you can take down the entire SERPs from a single page/link (LMAO)!
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Track down the very first page that ever had PR & crash the server, you can take down the entire SERPs from a single page/link (LMAO)!
        My theory, every brand new page on a brand new site has like 0.00000000001 PR or something like that as you simply can't have PR whatever site nowadays if it all started with zero cause then it would stay zero.

        You got a better explanation?
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  • Profile picture of the author themubeen
    Answer is Yes...because I started one of my website two weeks back and now its on PR2 with just quality content. I posted only two articles per week.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You can always tell when a page gets moved from the main forum to the correct forum by looking at the off the wall comments, like great content in a PR thread (lol).
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  • Profile picture of the author wellm97
    One of my friends post 3 to 5 fresh Articles on his blog, he doesn't get backlinks for his posts.
    in Results he gets huge traffic to his site but this traffic is only for one or 2 weeks.
    Bottom line is that we should focus on getting high p[age rank forour selected keywords because it gives us long term results.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    There are some rumors that say that if you have an old domain with only 100 % quality content and this content published each day for a long time you can get PR .

    I do not believe this entirely, i guess without backlinks it is hard to get a pr 3-4 .

    It is a tough discussion, anyway...
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  • Profile picture of the author VivekThakur
    Yes you can get page rank to your site. Proper on-page seo and only content will help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sanusense
    I don't think so, without external links PR is impossible.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheApex
    Most of the PR comes from backlinks, but there are also other factors that influence it (like domain's age).

    So, I think there's a small chance to get PR1 with a very-old domain, a lot of quality content and 1-3 backlinks.

    However I can't confirm/guarantee this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucid
    The whole idea behind PageRank is to measure how "important" the page is in relation to other pages that are linked to it (both in and out) and linked to other related pages. The more links a page has, the more "important" it becomes. In other words, you could not have PR without any external links either coming in or going out. The diagram of link provided shows example.

    PR surely is a factor in ranking a page but also surely a small factor. There are other more important factors to consider. In other words, don't worry about your page's PR (or put more bluntly as some have: who cares?). It has nothing to do with the content. People here tend to put too much emphasis on one thing and not seeing the big picture.
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    • Profile picture of the author webbyhubby
      Many here says that Page Rank & Ranking in SERP are different things - But for Page Rank you need external links & with external links your ranking will improve -So page rank could help you to improve ranking .
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