Idea to increase my squidoo lens rank in Google.

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Hello guys,

While I was thinking how to drive passive free traffic from Google I came across with one idea and I want your opinion about this.

The idea:
  • 1 awesome article with 1000 words to outsource
  • the article's title keyword will have low competition with 8,100 searchers/month
  • submit this article to squidoo
  • engage with guest blogging and send all the traffic to this squidoo article.

Now the question is....does Google notice that people are visiting my squidoo lens and stay there because it is of high value? Also can this method help me to be the first one in google for this keyword?

While Google is sophisticated and has improved parameters to determine if the contet is valuable or not I think that it is a good idea.

How do you think guys?

Thank you,
Zouras
#google #idea #increase #lens #rank #squidoo
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    How do you think guys?
    I think you should attract traffic to a site which you yourself own and control.

    It's no more difficult, much more rewarding, overwhelmingly more secure and far more convenient.

    It's also more businesslike. It's essential, in the long run, own and control your own business and not to be unnecessarily dependent on third parties whose terms of service, and their interpretations of them, are changeable (especially relevant, with Squidoo!), inconsistent and idiosyncratic.

    This one thread alone will tell you what you really need to know, if you read it carefully enough: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...en-locked.html
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  • Profile picture of the author zourkas
    Thank you very much Alexa...!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author yesacpow
      It may take a lot more time and articles to build up the authority on your own blog but as Alexa said, it is much more rewarding. For one, you can't blog about certain topics on Squidoo and there are so many distractions on the site to take away your visitors.

      Am I saying that you shouldn't build lenses? NO

      But build your own blog and use lenses to funnel traffic to your blog that you have complete control of to get your visitors into your sales funnel.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Squidoo has stats. So, yes, google will know if someone visits your lens from any place that is in their database.

      I like squidoo. I can be on first page of Google for certain key phrases in hours, can´t do that with a private site. I use it to bring traffic to my place. As Alexa said, you always have to remember that you have no control, so do not invest there more than you can afford to lose.

      Also notice that squidoo doesn´t allow repeated content, so you cannot post something there and in your blog as well. You can post the same content if it is in a different format, for example as a pdf.

      squidoo is one of the default properties in my inner wheel. But I would not use blog guest posting to send traffic there. I usually do a run over bookmarking sites (have a look at ping.fm), plus the options the site provides (twitter, facebook, pinterest, etc), also ping it and call two or three friends to just visit. This alone is enough to put you in green. Then you need some marketing inside squidoo, visit related lenses and add likes and comments when you find interesting things (avoid the ugly or not crafted ones). The community is very active, most of the writers will come and add to yours if they find your work interesting.

      Sandra
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      • Profile picture of the author spujap
        Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

        I like squidoo. I can be on first page of Google for certain key phrases in hours, can´t do that with a private site. I use it to bring traffic to my place.
        Sandra
        Also it's good for SEO since it may act as a authority back link and even PageRanked back link for given keywords though there are lot of limitations on do-follow. You may link to your sites with keywords (not all keywords) and build a link pyramid over that..

        Tip - Get 100 - 1000 links (comments, wikis, bookmarking, Digg, Mixx) pointing to your squidoo lens . Can be easily done using software like SEO Nuke.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by spujap View Post

          it may act as a authority back link
          Not so, Spujap: authority backlinks are those from relevant sites (not just pages). Squidoo's site isn't specific to your niche and your site's content. Linkjuice is determined primarily by site-relevance, not by page ranks.

          We can all see for ourselves, in Google's SERP's, the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages (even those with fewer backlinks, but from relevant sites) are outranking higher-PR pages (even those with more but non-context-relevant backlinks).

          Originally Posted by spujap View Post

          Tip - Get 100 - 1000 links (profile links, comments, wikis, bookmarking, Digg, Mixx) pointing to your squidoo lens . Can be easily done using software like SEO Nuke.
          You perhaps haven't read all the threads here started by people whose sites have been heavily penalized for using software like that, since the Penguin update? Many of them have been told openly by Google that that's the reason they've been penalized. Your SEO advice here is rather out-of-date.

          Numbers of backlinks, also, aren't too helpful. What matters is quality and site-relevance.

          And in any case, why would you want to build backlinks to someone else's site rather than to your own? That's no better than putting your article content into Ezine Articles and building backlinks to it, in the mistaken belief that it'll help you if it ranks well, rather than publishing it yourself and making your site rank well. :rolleyes:

          It's easy to imagine that you're getting traffic from a site, when what you're actually doing is sending traffic to it (and just getting some of it back) rather than to a site you yourself own and control.
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          • Profile picture of the author spujap
            Update: High Authority of Entire Website => Usually High PR. But Reverse Not Always True .
            because there are expiring domains, sites that are of low quality but get high PR using black hat techniques.

            Why I consider links from public domain sites like EZA, Squidoo, Web 2.0 Blogs is because of their Domain Authority (not only PR) and need of passing same authority for my newer sites to get them ranked better for competitive keywords.

            DA Explained (they have some tool to calculate the metrics for websites)- http://www.seomoz.org/learn-seo/domain-authority

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Not so, Spujap: authority backlinks are those from relevant sites (not just pages). Squidoo's site isn't specific to your niche and your site's content. Linkjuice is determined primarily by site-relevance, not by page ranks.
            Yes that's right but that does not mean back links from Ezines, Squidoo, Wordpress.com, Blogger, Weebly, Youtube won't help for keyword rankings. Again, the page from where link is should be relevant though. Not only relevancy matters, it's a combination of relevancy & authority (Update - Not only PageRank)

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            We can all see for ourselves, in Google's SERP's, the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages (even those with fewer backlinks, but from relevant sites) are outranking higher-PR pages (even those with more but non-context-relevant backlinks).
            Depends on competition for the keywords. If your competitor has a lot of unrelevant websites definitely you can rank better with more relevant links. Squidoo back links may add some additional authority juice to your site. (lens shd be relevant). This is good for new websites.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            You perhaps haven't read all the threads here started by people whose sites have been heavily penalized for using software like that, since the Penguin update? Many of them have been told openly by Google that that's the reason they've been penalized. Your SEO advice here is rather out-of-date.

            Numbers of backlinks, also, aren't too helpful. What matters is quality and site-relevance.
            I am well aware of the Penguin update that you are talking about. Google penalized websites those used link farms, got lot of low quality links using softwares but I am not asking to do same.

            Genuine Link Pyramids - Here you get direct backlinks to your site from authority social sites like Squidoo, Ezine Articles, Wordpress.com etc. and then get Tier 2 backlinks to the Squidoo page, wordpress.com etc pages. These tier-2 links may not be of best quality and won't harm you since they are not linking to your main site, rather these links (wikis, relevant PR0 sites, relevant dofollow comments etc.) would be linking to squidoo, wordpress.com pages. Since these sites (domains) (squidoo, wordpress.com) are well established authoritative sites, they are unharmed by bad quality links. This kind of link building effective way to rank for keywords that have lot of competition and complies with latest penguin update if Tier 1 links are of best quality and Tier 2 links are done with some unique content from good domains. All Tier 1/direct links to your site must me from highest authority websites - e.g. popular social websites, high PR relevant sites. Tier 2 should not be spam (high PR wikis, relevant PR0 sites, not so popular web 2.0s works fine)

            Automated Softwares - You are not using softwares for direct links to your website. They are for generating tier 2 links that point to Web 2.0 pages (Tier 1 link). Also we should use these softwares to put relevant unique content to High PR sites (wikis, bookmarks, comments) and should not create lots of them.

            Quality - There can't be better quality free backlinks than most popular web 2.0s squidoo, ezinearticles.com, wordpress.com, blogger.


            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            And in any case, why would you want to build backlinks to someone else's site rather than to your own? That's no better than putting your article content into Ezine Articles and building backlinks to it, in the mistaken belief that it'll help you if it ranks well, rather than publishing it yourself and making your site rank well.

            It's easy to imagine that you're getting traffic from a site, when what you're actually doing is sending traffic to it (and just getting some of it back) rather than to a site you yourself own and control.
            Definitely I would direct build backlinks to my site and publish articles to my website. But, If I build loads of direct backlinks to my new site in few days, first I might get penalized by Google, And It would require much more time and money to beat the big guys in competition (authority sites like that I'll be competing with e.g amazon pages).

            I would get some direct links to my site from relevant websites. Plus, I can get more links from highest authority domains for free and I can pass on more google juice to my original site by getting backlinks (links from good wikis, comments on good blogs, un popular web 2.0) to these Tier 1 links. (All the juice in pyramid would pass to top of pyramid). I won't be sending traffic to those site since 1 - Links to such sites are not of best quality and 2 - All the link juice for given keywords are collected by my original site which ranks better in search engines.

            This kind of link building works best for a new website or blog to rank for keywords that have some high authority websites on top. I've experimented it successfully. Again I am not getting back links from any profile or link directory, all my direct links are from relevant pages in the best quality domains.

            A Good Read - The Omega SEO Link Strategy Guide (Pro Link Building Explained)
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              Yes that's right but that does not mean back links from Ezines, Squidoo, Wordpress.com, Blogger, Weebly, Youtube won't help for keyword rankings.
              It means they won't help you much, compared with other, better SEO you can do.

              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              Again, the page from where link is should be relevant though.
              Sure, that goes almost without saying. But the primary determinant is site-relevance. Easily verifiable.

              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              it's a combination of relevancy & authority (PageRank)
              I gave up believing in page ranks when Google did.

              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              Depends on competition for the keywords. If your competitor has a lot of unrelevant websites definitely you can rank better with more relevant links.
              Exactly so.

              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              Squidoo back links may add some additional authority juice to your site. (lens shd be relevant). This is good for new websites.
              But not as good as doing whatever you'd do at Squidoo on a site you yourself own and control.

              Don't imagine that the high PR of Squidoo's own home page will magically help you out. As I said above, that's just like imagining that a backlink from an article in EZA will help you out because EZA's own home page has such a high page rank. This is just dreamland.

              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              I am well aware of the Penguin update that you are talking about. Google penalized websites those used link farms, got lot of low quality links using softwares but I am not asking to do same.
              Excuse me, but that's exactly what you said. It's right there, in your post. You specified "SEO Nuke" (meaning "SENuke", presumably). That's exactly one of the things that people's sites are getting so heavily penalized for, and Google says so openly. This is simply factual.
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            • Profile picture of the author Venkat001
              Originally Posted by spujap View Post

              Yes that's right but that does not mean back links from Ezines, Squidoo, Wordpress.com, Blogger, Weebly, Youtube won't help for keyword rankings. Again, the page from where link is should be relevant though. Not only relevancy matters, it's a combination of relevancy & authority (PageRank)



              Depends on competition for the keywords. If your competitor has a lot of unrelevant websites definitely you can rank better with more relevant links. Squidoo back links may add some additional authority juice to your site. (lens shd be relevant). This is good for new websites.



              I am well aware of the Penguin update that you are talking about. Google penalized websites those used link farms, got lot of low quality links using softwares but I am not asking to do same.

              Genuine Link Pyramids - Here you get direct backlinks to your site from authority social sites like Squidoo, Ezine Articles, Wordpress.com etc. and then get Tier 2 backlinks to the Squidoo page, wordpress.com etc pages. These tier-2 links may not be of best quality and won't harm you since they are not linking to your main site, rather these links (wikis, relevant PR0 sites, relevant dofollow comments etc.) would be linking to squidoo, wordpress.com pages. Since these sites (domains) (squidoo, wordpress.com) are well established authoritative sites, they are unharmed by bad quality links. This kind of link building effective way to rank for keywords that have lot of competition and complies with latest penguin update if Tier 1 links are of best quality and Tier 2 links are done with some unique content from good domains. All Tier 1/direct links to your site must me from highest authority websites - e.g. popular social websites, high PR relevant sites. Tier 2 should not be spam (high PR wikis, relevant PR0 sites, not so popular web 2.0s works fine)

              Automated Softwares - You are not using softwares for direct links to your website. They are for generating tier 2 links that point to Web 2.0 pages (Tier 1 link). Also we should use these softwares to put relevant unique content to High PR sites (wikis, bookmarks, comments) and should not create lots of them.

              Quality - There can't be better quality free backlinks than most popular web 2.0s squidoo, ezinearticles.com, wordpress.com, blogger.




              Definitely I would direct build backlinks to my site and publish articles to my website. But, If I build loads of direct backlinks to my new site in few days, first I might get penalized by Google, And It would require much more time and money to beat the big guys in competition (authority sites like that I'll be competing with e.g amazon pages).

              I would get some direct links to my site from relevant websites. Plus, I can get more links from highest authority domains for free and I can pass on more google juice to my original site by getting backlinks (links from good wikis, comments on good blogs, un popular web 2.0) to these Tier 1 links. (All the juice in pyramid would pass to top of pyramid). I won't be sending traffic to those site since 1 - Links to such sites are not of best quality and 2 - All the link juice for given keywords are collected by my original site which ranks better in search engines.

              This kind of link building works best for a new website or blog to rank for keywords that have some high authority websites on top. I've experimented it successfully. Again I am not getting back links from any profile or link directory, all my direct links are from relevant pages in the best quality domains.

              A Good Read - The Omega SEO Link Strategy Guide (Pro Link Building Explained)
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    It's not a bad plan, but.....

    Having your own website is the best route like mentioned above.

    Dude!!! Take advantage of the ON-Going Black Friday deals below.

    Unlimited Hosting for a whole year is only $5.98 (WSO) - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-websites.html

    And domains are only a buck or two, currently - Just Google, domain black friday deals and you'll see the domain promos.

    After you have your website up, then create the web 2.0's, like Squidoo lenses and you can link back to your blog for SEO boost and targeted traffic.

    But to answer your questions -

    Yes, Google knows the popularity of a web page (squidoo lens included) and their (bounce rate) how long they stay on a certain page. And yes, this affects rankings and etc...

    So after saying all that, then obviously original and high quality content is best to use, currently.

    good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabelate
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    The thing is you have to use some low competitive keywords so that you can rank at least on first page of Google.com without building any link then it is going to give benefit.
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    • Profile picture of the author spujap
      Originally Posted by MaryPabelate View Post

      The thing is you have to use some low competitive keywords so that you can rank at least on first page of Google.com without building any link then it is going to give benefit.
      Quite achievable.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Excuse me, but that's exactly what you said. It's right there, in your post. You specified "SEO Nuke" (meaning "SENuke", presumably). That's exactly one of the things that people's sites are getting so heavily penalized for, and Google says so openly. This is simply factual.
      Personally, I use Authority Link Software (ALS) which I purchased from WSO. The best thing about this is that it does not involve any kind of profile links / spam links. I've not used SENuke but wrote so because I had an illusion that it's very popular. Sorry for that.

      Using ALS I can submit unique articles (linking to my Squidoo, EZA pages) to top DA Wiki Sites backed by some comment links and that too drip fed in x number of days (x = configurable). I won't generate direct back links to my primary site using software, but there is no problem using them for Tier2, Tier3....links. After all, Squidoo being a high DA site won't get penalized if I would generate 50 - 100 backlinks to my lens in say 7 days (From sites with manageable DA and with unique content with ).

      Why people got penalized using SENuke is they generated 1000-10,000 links (cheap quality links) over night to their low authority websites using 1 or 2 keywords as anchor text which is unnatural and easy to catch by any advanced computer science algorithm. Even, people have used it successfully (effectively) - http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...n-success.html

      If I had to rank my Squidoo lens. I would create articles on 2-3 Article Directories (EZA, GOA), create blogs on same topic in Wordpress, Blogger, Tumblr, Youtube etc. plus guest post at 3-4 relevant blogs (real blogs) with unique content (with links to Squidoo lens) using long tail keywords as anchor (variety makes them look natural). Also recommend to update these blogs with some valid content and this process should be incrementally done until your target is achieved.

      Key is that It would be easy to rank a Squidoo page than a new website for a competitive keyword.

      Get these page indexed by bookmarking them at authority bookmarks sites like del.icio.us. That is enough for getting page from squidoo ranked. But if target is not achieved after doing that, I would get few wiki back links to Tier 1 links and get them indexed by pinging.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Old thread, and now you are in effect, spamming your squidoo lens.
    Perhaps you should follow me on this forum and read these threads:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-there-we.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...oo-update.html

    You are now violating squidoo terms. Look for a ton of your lenses to
    be locked and deleted.

    Squidoo is a big has-been for IM, SEO, etc.

    And that is a pity.

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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    ....does Google notice that people are visiting my squidoo lens and stay there because it is of high value?
    How do you expect Google knows that you are even getting any traffic to the squidoo lens?
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  • Hi,

    The strategy is good. Bu I suggest you do not only focus at driving traffic to your one 2nd tier site (squidoo). You may want to add more sites like this such as Hubpages or Blogspot. Also, do not only focus at driving traffic to these sites. You need to also think of ways on how you can build backlinks to your money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author getin2learn
    You would be better off with posting article to reputable article directory that has human reviewer in place. Such sites are highly recognized by the search engines, and backlinks comming from them usually make stronger (positive) impact to your site's authority.

    But all in all, if your "awesome" article is placed on squidoo, and you assessed your kw competition is light, the article should rank quite easily and without many links pointed at it. Google knows about user behavior on the site where article is published - usually there is an Analytics code installed, but if there is AdSense in place, it does the job as well. Besides, if people are coming to your article from Google's search results pages, you cannot hide performance of the target page, too
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  • Profile picture of the author Dentist
    Forget about the Squidoo! It was one of the websites I liked because of the gesture of caring about the community. Guess what! It was just a gesture for their growth! Not a bit of caring at any level... They locked all of the lenses in my Squidoo account due to lack of quality and some of my lenses have a purple star (the highest quality rank on Squidoo very rarely gained)... And they are so irresponsible that it takes up to two month for them to check the account in person (if they do) and give back my account, which they should not have locked in the first place. Figure out the rest yourself. My take: forget about them. For companies like Google, it took more than 10 years to have this kind of behavior and only when they dominated the world. If you have an Adsense account, you know what I mean. For Squidoo, it happened when they reached 10 employees! It just isn't worth it.
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