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That's all moz ever is, a bunch of nothing.

I would hire the guy for marketing before I ever hired him for SEO, seriously, he's good at marketing.

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retsek 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I would hire the guy for marketing before I ever hired him for SEO, seriously, he's good at marketing.

If you're doing your SEO right, it's mostly marketing.
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  If you're doing your SEO right, it's mostly marketing.
  
  I was talking about working the crowd, you know, the late night infomercials on TV.
  
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paulgl 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's all moz ever is, a bunch of nothing.

I would hire the guy for marketing before I ever hired him for SEO, seriously, he's good at marketing.

It's a terrific bit of site, aint it?

I have been swaying for a long time that they have an agenda. Why
people take what they say as gold, I'll never know.

I would hope that any SEO site would have that as a disclaimer
to begin with, or at least any visitor would know that already.

Paul
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DonDraper

11 years ago

If you don't work at Google or somehow get your hands on insiders information, then everything you can do is speculate about SEO. There is of course common sense and there is experience, but SEOMOZ or any other authority on SEO can't say they hold the truth and we should all blindly listen.

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Becker13

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by DonDraper

If you don't work at Google or somehow get your hands on insiders information, then everything you can do is speculate about SEO. There is of course common sense and there is experience, but SEOMOZ or any other authority on SEO can't say they hold the truth and we should all blindly listen.

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Actually, when you test over and over again what works, and then get results with it over and over again...You can very easily say "YES this is what works"

SEO is pretty stupid simple right now, and the white hat BS they spew at SEO moz is not whats working

They are a solid company though. Great marketing and they have made millions selling their tools.

Hell SEOmoz does not even do what they preach, check out their early backlinks that got them there initial rankings..lol

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Becker13

Hell SEOmoz does not even do what they preach, check out their early backlinks that got them there initial rankings..lol

Frankly I think some of you haven't followed SEOmoz very long. Few years back they did a Whiteboard friday on junk links actually working when Google said they didn't. Of course they still said you shouldn't use those kinds of links but thats easy and obvious to see why

SEOmoz caters to alot of companies that do things by the book and it would serve no purpose for SEomoz to promote black hat. In another video I saw they did a wink wink study with buying links.

SOrry but IM Seos will always putdown SEOmoz because adsense and affiliate sites just plain can't leverage the techniques of SEO That are used by mainline companies.

What you going to do? get tech blogs to pick up your latest five page adsense site release? Financial magazines don't report much on penny stocks gone bust either
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connorbringas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DonDraper

If you don't work at Google or somehow get your hands on insiders information, then everything you can do is speculate about SEO. There is of course common sense and there is experience, but SEOMOZ or any other authority on SEO can't say they hold the truth and we should all blindly listen.

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Definitely agree, that is why i dont like spending time reading a bunch of blogs on seo such as seo moz or duct tape marketing..top rank blog or what have you. Its all just a guessing game.

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rahmanpaidar

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DonDraper

If you don't work at Google or somehow get your hands on insiders information, then everything you can do is speculate about SEO. There is of course common sense and there is experience, but SEOMOZ or any other authority on SEO can't say they hold the truth and we should all blindly listen.

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Even if you work at Google, you would have no clue of what algorithm is being
used for ranking.

There's only one or two programmers at Google who have access to the
core part of Google Search code who are probably one level below Larry Page.

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petemcal

11 years ago

Sure you shouldn't blindly listen to anything you see on SEO but as a collective sphere the information out there WILL help you.

That is why Matt Cutts has to keep making videos explaining why they are punishing/changing the way the algorithm treats certain factors. The reason being that SEOs have figured out a shortcut or loophole and it's been over exploited.

In addition SEOMoz (especially the blog) is a collection of SEOs from around the world, not only people who work for distilled.

I for one value the information on Moz (most of the time) but I never take it as fact, only as food for thought

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timpears

11 years ago

Well yes, any SEO who preaches about their knowledge, unless they work whth Matt Cuts' department at Google,m don't know shit. All they can do is give their opinion, because Google don't publish any of their algorithm. So it is all a guess at best.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

Well yes, any SEO who preaches about their knowledge, unless they work whth Matt Cuts' department at Google,m don't know shit. All they can do is give their opinion, because Google don't publish any of their algorithm. So it is all a guess at best.

It's not all guessing.

There's things related to SEO that can be proven.

Quality links (internal & external links)
Site links
Jump links
Breadcrumb links
Alt-text
etc...

If your not testing, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. It's easier to do the testing.

Lol, at Matt C. doubtful he's the real top dog at Google/SEO, more like a poster child.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Rand Himself said this on SEO the other day.

I highlighted the part that I found interesting.

SEOMOZ is nothing but opinions. No fact or actual good advice for anything accept for stupid stuff that wont actually rank you.

I see nothing wrong with anything Rand said there. SEO is more theory than actual fact. While I do not agree with everything published at SEOmoz, I'll take their theories over yours.

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mattlaclear

11 years ago

You can speak a bit more definitively when you're running thousands of campaigns and compare the data between them all. Use pageoneinfiltrator.com can give you even more insight. But no one outside of the big G knows the algorithm.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Sorry but like I said to the last forum nobody ranter against SEOmoz on this board - You aint done nothing even close to what SEOmoz has done so beating your chest and saying they don't offer anything is just a crock to try and elevate your own status.

Call me when you create anything close to the tools they created or develop a set of metrics used the world over. Until then you arejust a wannabe complaining cause you got more wanna than being anything more than a poster on a forum.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry but like I said to the last forum nobody ranter against SEOmoz on this board - You aint done nothing even close to what SEOmoz has done so beating your chest and saying they don't offer anything is just a crock to try and elevate your own status.

Call me when you create anything close to the tools they created or develop a set of metrics used the world over. Until then you arejust a wannabe complaining cause you got more wanna than being anything more than a poster on a forum.

Lol, did you copy/paste that from the last moz thread?

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, did you copy/paste that from the last moz thread?

No that would be your post #2. TBS or SpinnerChief with Vbulletin integration?
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  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  No that would be your post #2. TBS or SpinnerChief with Vbulletin integration?
  
  Ha, Ha, good stuff.
  
  After I posted that comment I was like, d@mn, that's almost what I said in the last thread.
  
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realseowarrior

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You aint done nothing even close to what SEOmoz has done
just a crock to try and elevate your own status.

Call me when you create anything close to the tools they created or develop a set of metrics used the world over.

Mike i never understood why you always ask for being comparable to anyone to have views about anyone. Do i have to be Mitt Romney to have any kind of opinions about Obama ? Strange! does it make any sense ? And if someone create such authority, you think you deserve his call according to your own theory.
It seems that its a crime to express own views about anything cuz they are not in accordance to "Quan of SEO"

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by realseowarrior

Mike i never understood why you always ask for being comparable to anyone to have views about anyone.

Could you write than in non spinning english please.

It seems that its a crime to express own views about anything cuz they are not in accordance to "Quan of SEO"

No but there are some places where you would get a few lashes for cruelty to the English language. Regardless of language your point is just silly. AThis thread is an attack on a person and an organization that no matter what anyone claims has metrics and tools used the world over.

Not one of you has achieved anything even close to that in the SEO space and if you are complaining about me pointing that fact out its you that is attempting to muzzle expressing views you don't agree with

As for Quan of SEO - Go watch a great movie called Jerry Macguire and you might learn something. It is not an exclusive term. On my new forum almost everyone is a Quan of SEO
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Michael Ten

11 years ago

Interesting, OP. If that is true, then it is really amazing how big the company actually is. Lolol.

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weston2012

11 years ago

Rand only saying his thought and we are listinging. I personally found result from his SEO style.

I don't know but I like to use my style in SEO that how can I more natural in my client's backlinks.

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weston2012

11 years ago

Rand only saying his thought and we are listinging. I personally found result from his SEO style.

I don't know but I like to use my style in SEO that how can I more natural in my client's backlinks.

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tech84

11 years ago

As far as opinions goes, I think this one by maddox sums up a good reply to this thread:

I Am Better Than Your Kids - Post 130

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gotlinks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I see nothing wrong with anything Rand said there. SEO is more theory than actual fact. While I do not agree with everything published at SEOmoz, I'll take their theories over yours.

I wasnt presenting any theories....

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry but like I said to the last forum nobody ranter against SEOmoz on this board - You aint done nothing even close to what SEOmoz has done so beating your chest and saying they don't offer anything is just a crock to try and elevate your own status.

Call me when you create anything close to the tools they created or develop a set of metrics used the world over. Until then you arejust a wannabe complaining cause you got more wanna than being anything more than a poster on a forum.

I wasn't saying Rand doesn't say anything useful. Just that this is the first time I have ever heard him personally admit his stuff is just opinion. It was nice to finally hear is all.

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36burrows

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Rand Himself said this on SEO the other day.

I highlighted the part that I found interesting.

SEOMOZ is nothing but opinions. No fact or actual good advice for anything accept for stupid stuff that wont actually rank you.

It's a hell of a lot better than the site in your sig!

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Becker13

Banned 11 years ago

Rand has a GREAT beard

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Karan Rawat

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Rand Himself said this on SEO the other day.

I highlighted the part that I found interesting.

SEOMOZ is nothing but opinions. No fact or actual good advice for anything accept for stupid stuff that wont actually rank you.

Yes no one pay blindly then why should I...?

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11 years ago

A complaint about someone being honest?

Really?

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Toyota Hilux Dealer

11 years ago

SEOMOZ is so big that Google follows them very closely and they cannot but afford to hew the official line and advocate whiter than white hat SEO even if they were to not practice them in reality.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer

SEOMOZ is so big that Google follows them very closely and they cannot but afford to hew the official line and advocate whiter than white hat SEO even if they were to not practice them in reality.

Huh?

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Becker13

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by realseowarrior
"Mike i never understood why you always ask for being comparable to anyone to have views about anyone."

"Could you write than in non spinning english please."

I giggled

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gearmonkey

11 years ago

I don't spend much time reading his stuff (surfed his blog a few times), but I'm too busy ranking websites using methods he claims doesn't work.

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retsek

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

I don't spend much time reading his stuff (surfed his blog a few times), but I'm too busy ranking websites using methods he claims doesn't work.

I don't think there was ever a time that Fishkin has said blackhat/greyhat doesn't work. In fact, he's said the exact opposite.

Maybe read the blog more ?

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gearmonkey

11 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

I don't think there was ever a time that Fishkin has said blackhat/greyhat doesn't work. In fact, he's said the exact opposite.

Maybe read the blog more ?

Not interested in reading his blog. What I do works... why would I want 2nd hand advice from someone who admits they have an opinion? I have opinions too... my opinions work ranking websites effectively.

I'd rather spend my work time ranking websites, not reading random SEO blogs. And after a long days work the last thing I want to do is read SEO blogs, i'd rather crack open an ice cold one, watch a movie and recharge the batteries while feeling good that my day helped my clients get results and they are happy.

I don't get much time for entertainment, so last thing I want to do is read random blogs on the internet...

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retsek

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gearmonkey

Not interested in reading his blog. What I do works... why would I want 2nd hand advice from someone who admits they have an opinion? I have opinions too... my opinions work ranking websites effectively.

I'd rather spend my work time ranking websites, not reading random SEO blogs. And after a long days work the last thing I want to do is read SEO blogs, i'd rather crack open an ice cold one, watch a movie and recharge the batteries while feeling good that my day helped my clients get results and they are happy.

I don't get much time for entertainment, so last thing I want to do is read random blogs on the internet...

So you escaped Penguin ?

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gearmonkey 11 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

So you escaped Penguin ?

I love when Google make their updates because it usually works in my favor. For example I earn more income from adsense in a week than I use to make in 3 months. Same thing with my affiliate marketing. I am getting much better click thrus.

Looking forward to G's next update.
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kaytav

11 years ago

SEOMOZ has really nice opinions and also you would learn a lot of things from that. Also I started it reading a year back and have now excelled very nicely from the knowledge I have got.

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sappacis13

11 years ago

I've tried also seomoz... and this tool is great especially when it comes to Link Buying technique.

You need to choose a high PR and also look for Page Authority and Domain Authority.

This way you have the chance that your links will be click.

Link buying technique, it depends on how much budget you have to be able to place your links to high pr sites.

Cheers!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sappacis13

I've tried also seomoz... and this tool is great especially when it comes to Link Buying technique.

You need to choose a high PR and also look for Page Authority and Domain Authority.

This way you have the chance that your links will be click.

Link buying technique, it depends on how much budget you have to be able to place your links to high pr sites.

Cheers!

I would like to see where SEOMOZ promotes link buying..

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

I would like to see where SEOMOZ promotes link buying..

We Bought Links and It Worked!! - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

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They did a whole video on highlighting that it works. Obviously though with their postion so public they are going to have disclaimers and though they have to say it violates guidelines notice they also refused to rat out the seller.

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retsek

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

We Bought Links and It Worked!! - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

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They did a whole video on highlighting that it works. Obviously though with their postion so public they are going to have disclaimers and though they have to say it violates guidelines notice they also refused to rat out the seller.

Isn't saying "It Works" different from "Promoting it" ?

In fact, he strongly discourages it in that very video and presents an alternative.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Isn't saying "It Works" different from "Promoting it" ?

In fact, he strongly discourages it in that very video .

I know that. I thought I just wrote that

"they are going to have disclaimers "

If you think showing that something actually works does not promote that it works then you have my condolences. People end up promoting things they don't recommend all the time. Fact is Rand and company chose to do that video and laid out they were surprised by its effectiveness. Of course as I have said before SEOmoz is never going to go Black hat. The fact that they came out with a video showing it as being very effective is enough.

The video elevates buying links as working more than they thought it would which IS a form of promotion.
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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

We Bought Links and It Worked!! - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

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They did a whole video on highlighting that it works. Obviously though with their postion so public they are going to have disclaimers and though they have to say it violates guidelines notice they also refused to rat out the seller.

Wow, Moz is light years ahead of SEO, they bought a link.

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gotlinks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

We Bought Links and It Worked!! - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

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They did a whole video on highlighting that it works. Obviously though with their postion so public they are going to have disclaimers and though they have to say it violates guidelines notice they also refused to rat out the seller.

That's from 2010... Was thinking something more recent.

I haven't seen them promote this in 2012 at all which is weird if it really does work why not promote it?

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Originally Posted by gotlinks

That's from 2010... Was thinking something more recent.

I haven't seen them promote this in 2012 at all which is weird if it really does work why not promote it?

Because Moz is in the white hat niche, paid link SEO would conflict with the stage act.

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gotlinks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Because Moz is in the white hat niche, paid link SEO would conflict with the stage act.

Right. However they are known (whether they publicly claim it or not) as the authority seo company. If they were 100% white hat then they wouldn't have that post from 2010 about paid links still up.

IDK I am just saying SEOMOZ has some great info. But to solely rely on it like a lot of people I know do... MISTAKE.

There are other ways that work better then what they regularly promote.

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Originally Posted by gotlinks

Right. However they are known (whether they publicly claim it or not) as the authority seo company. If they were 100% white hat then they wouldn't have that post from 2010 about paid links still up.

IDK I am just saying SEOMOZ has some great info. But to solely rely on it like a lot of people I know do... MISTAKE.

There are other ways that work better then what they regularly promote.

I guess great info. is only an opinion, because I can't remember a time I've ever found anything worthwhile on Moz.

The only thing I see is consistent posting/selling.

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muzz

11 years ago

yes I am agree with timpears.Google never publish it's new algo before time, all they say just guesses.

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Karan Rawat

11 years ago

SEOMOZ IS THE BEST INFORMATIVE SITE.

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Karan Rawat

SEOMOZ IS THE BEST INFORMATIVE SITE.

Lol, McDonalds has the best chicken nuggets.
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RyanLB

11 years ago

Anyone with any information on SEO is just giving out opinions, unless they have access to the actual Google algorithm, and even that is probably written in such a way that the same action can cause an endless number of outcomes depending on the variables that surround it.

I think Rand is kind of a prude in all honesty but branding yourself as the SEO resource doesn't mean that you have inside information.

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