Post Penguin Question -I Am Putting Original Content and Social Bookmarking But No Change in SERPS !

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smartbrain

My site was hit by Penguin last April. Since then I have spent the last 6 months writing nearly 50 original 800 word articles and Social bookmarking them +/Putting them out on Facebook/ Google plus /StumbleUpon/Pinterest etc .

These articles have them placed on my site at any consistent rate of two a week every week since I started .

The result of all this work is no movement at all in my SERPS. My kw positions are still on page 6 or less where as before I had page 1 and 2 for many .

My question is , why after following the advice on this forum and other places to create original , meaningful , engaging content and share it socialy is my site still not moving in the rankings?

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kayode10

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smartbrain

My site was hit by Penguin last April. Since then I have spent the last 6 months writing nearly 50 original 800 word articles and Social bookmarking them +/Putting them out on Facebook/ Google plus /StumbleUpon/Pinterest etc .

These articles have them placed on my site at any consistent rate of two a week every week since I started .

The result of all this work is no movement at all in my SERPS. My kw positions are still on page 6 or less where as before I had page 1 and 2 for many .

My question is , why after following the advice on this forum and other places to create original , meaningful , engaging content and share it socialy is my site still not moving in the rankings?

Hi friend, my advice for is to continue to build more backlinks to the site, it sometimes happened that way, to be candid, when the result comes, you will be highly surprise. All you need is to keep the work on, do not relent guy.

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dreamtoreality

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smartbrain

My site was hit by Penguin last April. Since then I have spent the last 6 months writing nearly 50 original 800 word articles and Social bookmarking them +/Putting them out on Facebook/ Google plus /StumbleUpon/Pinterest etc .

These articles have them placed on my site at any consistent rate of two a week every week since I started .

The result of all this work is no movement at all in my SERPS. My kw positions are still on page 6 or less where as before I had page 1 and 2 for many .

My question is , why after following the advice on this forum and other places to create original , meaningful , engaging content and share it socialy is my site still not moving in the rankings?

The only way you'll gain rank is if you obtain backlinks, either built yourself or given by others.

Social bookmarking could lead to an increase in rankings, but it doesn't look as if too many people shared your content.

Google doesn't read content, it reads backlinks.

Build a few high quality backlinks and you'll notice a change for the better.

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bradudan

11 years ago

My advice to you is to go on wirh what are you doing. The results will not come by night.

Start a wise link building campaign and most of all try to see if your oldest posts are unique. Otherwise grab a curation software and try to cure them..

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online only

11 years ago

I have opposite thinking than others... Like I see, you have been trying to recover your site almost 6 months now.. This is a very long period of time and I think this is the point where you should stop and move on.. Time is money. If that website was really MUCH worth to you, my advice to you is: Buy an aged domain and redirect your existing site to this one. Now start building backlinks to this "aged domain" and you will see that your website will pop back.

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easypr

11 years ago

In my opinion you have to search the unnatural links of your website & remove it form website where they place by contacting the webmaster of that site. or by using google disavow tool. Then after work as you do. Submit your website in quality sites. I think these will help you.

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scottmacair 11 years ago

Dude the cause of rankings is still dofollow links that have juice. Simple as that.

The whole content strategy is to attract links. You will never rank for anything even with the best content and social buzz without dofollow links.
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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smartbrain

My site was hit by Penguin last April. Since then I have spent the last 6 months writing nearly 50 original 800 word articles and Social bookmarking them +/Putting them out on Facebook/ Google plus /StumbleUpon/Pinterest etc .

These articles have them placed on my site at any consistent rate of two a week every week since I started .

The result of all this work is no movement at all in my SERPS. My kw positions are still on page 6 or less where as before I had page 1 and 2 for many .

My question is , why after following the advice on this forum and other places to create original , meaningful , engaging content and share it socialy is my site still not moving in the rankings?

Simple answer. You are listening to idiots.

Social bookmarking does not do squat long-term for rankings.

Also just adding content, original or otherwise, doesn't guarantee you any rankings increase either. If it were that easy, we would be all posting 5 articles a day. And then when everyone started doing 5, we would all do 6, then 7, then 8...

Most of my clients have not updated their site in years and are ranking just fine.

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scottmacair

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Simple answer. You are listening to idiots.

Social bookmarking does not do squat long-term for rankings.

Also just adding content, original or otherwise, doesn't guarantee you and rankings increase either. If it were that easy, we would be all posting 5 articles a day. And then when everyone started doing 5, we would all do 6, then 7, then 8...

Most of my clients have not updated their site in years and are ranking just fine.

Mikes right!

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RealEcon

11 years ago

3 Things...
#1 Is your sites theme nice looking. Go to the serps for your keyword and hover on the right side of a listing and look at the little picture of the site. These picutres google uses with their Panda OCR algo. If your site doesnt look as nice as those pictures then you may be hit by the Panda.

#2 If the content you have been writing is low quality general information like what you would find in ezinearticles you are not going to rank. Always compare your written content to Ezinearticles and then to Wikipedia. If its closer to wikipedia then publish, if ezinearticles then work a little harder on it.

#3 If you beleive your site is not hit by Panda and that you are writing wiki quality content, then your backlinks are your problem. And the quickest way to fix the problem is to clone your site and move it to a new domain that has no backlinks. You will be surprised how fast your site starts to rank with no backlinks;-)

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Canuckystan 11 years ago

Two words: link bait.

If you are writing blah articles, nobody will link to them, and you'll have get no decent contextual links.

When I started purposefully writing link bait articles, SERP increased for me.
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- smartbrain 11 years ago
  
  Interesting but conflicting answers all with a similar thread , this is my take on what you guys have said:
  
  Well written content is for attracting traffic (and links if the content is good enough) from other sites but freshness may be important to Google
  
  Link building is for attracting Google to take your site seriously (if the links are good enough and from quality sites ) and
  
  Social Bookmarking helps move your content around the net (if the content is good enough but is of no importance to Google) and
  
  Social Signals - particularly Google Plus are not that important but MAY be important to Google later on as the algorithm evolves
  
  Is this the right way to look at this new way of SEO?
  
  Would love to move my site to a new domain but my existing domain is all over my very expensive marketing materials /packaging /labels/vans /uniforms etc
  
  Appreciate your comments as always
  
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strategic seo services

11 years ago

Build backlinks that are on high PR sites, related to your niche, contextual, and dofollow. Those are some of the best backlinks to get. Also, spy on your competitors' sites that are already ranking high and try to get your backlinks in the same places that they have theirs. This thread may also help you increase your rankings: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-increase.html

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11 years ago

I think you should move your site to a new domain without 301 redirecting

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Moriarty

11 years ago

Why is nobody talking about traffic?

My hunch is that Google sees backlinks as a source of traffic post Panda. If your links bring you traffic that stays on site, this affects your ranking because you are relevant.

It also sounds as if you are fighting the wrong corner. If you are working that hard and you're on page 6 there is something wrong in your approach, not your backlinking. Last year I was active in the IT area - notoriously difficult to break into. I ranked #4 straight out of the box, no backlinks. How? Because I was asking questions that people wanted answers to. They put in a question, my page addressed it. Keywords, text, images, everything pointed in that direction.

Because most people just focus on the result. Now my partner Brian is diabetic and when he popped over the border from Germany he forgot his pills. He looked everywhere and asked every question he could to discover which brand named drug he was getting. Now do you think any of the websites thought to answer his questions? It took him two hours to find one. Which is the problem with the internet. Bloggers aren't asking the questions their target audience asks.

Bloggers are all providing the answers that nobody can find because they don't know the answer. They know their question! They're trying to find the answer, and aren't getting any help!!!

Believe me, ask those questions and your site will bob up to the first page with very little problem.

Does this make any sense to you? M

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RedShifted

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Moriarty

Why is nobody talking about traffic?

My hunch is that Google sees backlinks as a source of traffic post Panda. If your links bring you traffic that stays on site, this affects your ranking because you are relevant.

It also sounds as if you are fighting the wrong corner. If you are working that hard and you're on page 6 there is something wrong in your approach, not your backlinking. Last year I was active in the IT area - notoriously difficult to break into. I ranked #4 straight out of the box, no backlinks. How? Because I was asking questions that people wanted answers to. They put in a question, my page addressed it. Keywords, text, images, everything pointed in that direction.

Because most people just focus on the result. Now my partner Brian is diabetic and when he popped over the border from Germany he forgot his pills. He looked everywhere and asked every question he could to discover which brand named drug he was getting. Now do you think any of the websites thought to answer his questions? It took him two hours to find one. Which is the problem with the internet. Bloggers aren't asking the questions their target audience asks.

Bloggers are all providing the answers that nobody can find because they don't know the answer. They know their question! They're trying to find the answer, and aren't getting any help!!!

Believe me, ask those questions and your site will bob up to the first page with very little problem.

Does this make any sense to you? M

This is a really awesome post.

I'm also curious why noone ever talks about traffic in terms of ranking.
I thought about asking a question like this a while ago, but thought it would be a stupid question.

About a month ago I linked about 10 aged youtube videos, that get a lot of traffic, to my site. My websites impressions shot through the roof, and my site began ranking almost immediately. What surprised me was how dramatically the site went from nothing, to page 2 of google, for many different keywords.

I wouldn't be suprised, if traffic has a lot more to do with ranking than most people realize. When you really break SEO down to its core, all websites are just trying to get traffic, by doing SEO. So what if you reverse the process, and just find ways to get tons of traffic instead? Shouldn't google see that traffic as a huge sign that your website AND backlinks are highly relevant? That you're providing great content? That your getting links in all the "right places"?

Not to mention, when I look at most of my top competitors, they are getting A LOT of traffic. Not just to their home page, but with hundreds of pages targeting hundreds of different keywords. This is why I have taken such a major interest in youtube lately. Its an excellent way to drive traffic. Especially if you rank dozens and dozens of videos for select long tail keywords. That will drive lots of traffic to your site, and it should absolutely help your rankings. Regardless of whether the links are nofollow.

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MarvyDery

11 years ago

build a new website and move all your content on the old one and continue building your backlinks. don't use any blackhat seo techniques or don't go back to the backlinking methods you used to do previously before penguin.

After penguin, these is what has worked for me
1. warrior forum links
2. angela backlinks]
3. easy wp seo for onpage seo
4. social bookmarking
5. social networking

hope these help you too.

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maeldk 11 years ago

Buy aged expired PR domain and make some backlinks to your site.
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challanger

11 years ago

To be honest,,

if you post those blogs (

writing nearly 50 original 800 word articles

) posted on good quality blogs/sites... You must have get at least something good in SERPS.....

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Like I see, you have been trying to recover your site almost 6 months now.. This is a very long period of time and I think this is the point where you should stop and move on.. Time is money.

I go with this guy... its really very long time period and most astonishing thing is you just created 50 posts/backlinks for your site :-O

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bcruan

11 years ago

Wow, I've never seen so much bad advice.

"Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"

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CatherineMay 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bcruan

Wow, I've never seen so much bad advice.

"Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"

Oh??? This is a pretty strong statement. And just what would be your advice?
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- bcruan 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CatherineMay
  
  Oh??? This is a pretty strong statement. And just what would be your advice?
  
  Well he says his site was hit by the penguin update. I'm no genius but I would start by addressing the known issues that penguin targeted. 95% of the posts seem to ignore that fact. Including your usless post.
  
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  paulgl 11 years ago
  
  Why on earth do people always think that their site should just
  up and replace other sites, that replaced theirs? Perhaps the
  sites that replaced yours are now light years better than
  your site. Google owes you nothing.
  
  "Why am I not moving up?"
  
  Cannot be answered with this drivel. We know nothing about
  how the world has changed and your competition.
  
  You can't just think google is going to move you back up,
  knocking another site down (which I might add, will wonder why
  they are then being "penalized.")
  
  The question is not a matter of just do a,b, and c.
  Those cargo-on answers are crazy.
  
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dejaone

11 years ago

You need to get backlinks from real websites that have:

1) good PR and inner PRs.
2) good traffic
3) solid social counts and
4) relevant to your sites.

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Trabalhodigital 11 years ago

Originally Posted by dejaone

You need to get backlinks from real websites that have:

1) good PR and inner PRs.
2) good traffic
3) solid social counts and
4) relevant to your sites.

But this is not easy...
In my opinion NO ONE knows exactly what must be done. Penguin will make aniversary on April and no one knows for sure how to recover.
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nest28

11 years ago

I find it strange that everyone's answer consisted of advice on building backlinks. No one said anything about networking with others in your niche, guess blogging, building a facebook fan page, building e-mail list. Everything is not always as simple as building links and waiting for traffic to come our way.

The biggest problem with this forum, is the fact that people here think backlinks equal traffic, but what happens when your site get's penalized, bye bye traffic, vs building traffic from ground up (direct traffic) that will stay with you no matter what.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

I wouldn't be suprised, if traffic has a lot more to do with ranking than most people realize. When you really break SEO down to its core, all websites are just trying to get traffic, by doing SEO. So what if you reverse the process, and just find ways to get tons of traffic instead? Shouldn't google see that traffic as a huge sign that your website AND backlinks are highly relevant? That you're providing great content? That your getting links in all the "right places"?

There is one problem with your theory. Google has no idea how much traffic most websites are getting.

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BethHewitt

11 years ago

I'm with Nest28 on this one. Be more social, be authentic and real, building solid relationships in your niche. Stop with the backlinking madness. Start over, write quality content and build links naturally on authority sites in your niche, and be helpful to others on forums etc. Building links for the sake of building links has been and gone.

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Slin

11 years ago

Are you varying your anchor text? If not, that's probably it.

With panda, you now have to throw in a few "click here" links, and a few "http://yourwebsite.com" links.

Plus you need to start expanding your links a bit more, get them from more sources.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Slin

Are you varying your anchor text? If not, that's probably it.

With panda, you now have to throw in a few "click here" links, and a few "http://yourwebsite.com" links.

Plus you need to start expanding your links a bit more, get them from more sources.

Panda has nothing to do with backlinks.

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digga123

11 years ago

Did you get a message from Google in Webmaster Tools about unnatural link building? If so, then you'll need to address that issue followed by a reconsideration request. I've heard of sites that slowly come back after the penalty is lifted.

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sanusense

11 years ago

You need to move on from that site, Buy an another domain and start making backlinks.

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