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Seriously, How Many People on This Forum Actually Know What They're on About?

by dreamtoreality
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I feel that this forum is both a blessing and a curse for newbies. There is a plethora of information that can help people learn the ins and outs of internet marketing, but a hell of a lot more information that is just plain wrong - unintentionally, of course - and can set a new marketer down the wrong path.

Everyday I still see people, even those who, ironically, sell SEO services in their sig, talk about how there's a magical 2% or whatever KW density; how your articles need to have at least 500 words to have any chance of securing a decent ranking; people still banging on about how blasting 5,000 links is a good thing; how edu links are the best sort of links you can get; how profile links carry a great deal of weight; how quality content is all you need for success and everything else will take care of itself, and so on and so on.

In my time here, I've learned that there's just a handful of people, particularly in the SEO forum, who really know what they're talking about, and no, I certainly wouldn't put myself into that category, but I'm learning every day and feel that I have a much better grasp of what I need to do when compared to, say, a couple of months ago. Hell, what I've said above might even be wrong (I have a feeling that it isn't, though).

Do you think that I have a point here?
#forum #people
  • Profile picture of the author nathan1
    Yep, there are 100 people who think they know what they are talking about here for every one person that actually does.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

      I feel that this forum is both a blessing and a curse for newbies. There is a plethora of information that can help people learn the ins and outs of internet marketing, but a hell of a lot more information that is just plain wrong - unintentionally, of course - and can set a new marketer down the wrong path.

      Everyday I still see people, even those who, ironically, sell SEO services in their sig, talk about how there's a magical 2% or whatever KW density; how your articles need to have at least 500 words to have any chance of securing a decent ranking; people still banging on about how blasting 5,000 links is a good thing; how edu links are the best sort of links you can get; how profile links carry a great deal of weight; how quality content is all you need for success and everything else will take care of itself, and so on and so on.

      In my time here, I've learned that there's just a handful of people, particularly in the SEO forum, who really know what they're talking about, and no, I certainly wouldn't put myself into that category, but I'm learning every day and feel that I have a much better grasp of what I need to do when compared to, say, a couple of months ago. Hell, what I've said above might even be wrong (I have a feeling that it isn't, though).

      Do you think that I have a point here?
      Yes, you have a point but it wont make a difference here, there are far to many marketers who are interested in short cuts and easy money to ever make difference, best thing you can do is stay away. I come here when I'm bored, that about it.

      You'll learn more from research and experience than you will ever learn in place like this.
      Originally Posted by nathan1 View Post

      Yep, there are 100 people who think they know what they are talking about here for every one person that actually does.
      Tie niche huh, I may have to check that out lol, jk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    I use a dart board when learning about IM
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      I use a dart board when learning about IM
      Yes, but unless you use a 3 tiered link wheel dart board, it won't work!
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      • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
        Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

        Yes, but unless you use a 3 tiered link wheel dart board, it won't work!
        See? I was even doing that wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mogly
    Literally 0.01% of the people on this board actually make money online.

    From things other than selling WSO's, coaching newbies, selling marketing products, or anything related to selling internet marketing stuff.

    This goes the same for SEO.

    Literally 0.01% of the people in this forum have any practical knowledge above common information.

    If people would stop posting in forums/reading blog posts, and would actually spend $10 on a domain name and $5 on hosting to create any random site to test out SEO theories, they would grow their knowledge 10,000 times as fast.

    :/
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Well, like I always say. You can judge a person by some of the things they
      say.

      If they tell you things like 500 words to an article, or other such rubbish
      as you point out. Stay away from them. Period.

      Like the fool who says if you build 1000 links a month, you must keep
      building at that level to look natural. And that fool has a WSO in their
      sig.

      Your list is very short. I used to have a running list of the voodoo
      SEO as I called it.

      Debating things is good and helpful. But on some things, there is no
      debate. It's junk.

      If your SEO expert, complete with WSO in sig, goes round spouting
      off 1 or 2 liners that are junk, just to cargo on, then they are junk.

      Add to the fact that some of these guys who live in their mother's
      basements, pose as pretty women.

      Catfishing here abounds.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Cosmit
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Well, like I always say. You can judge a person by some of the things they
        say.

        If they tell you things like 500 words to an article, or other such rubbish
        as you point out. Stay away from them. Period.

        Like the fool who says if you build 1000 links a month, you must keep
        building at that level to look natural. And that fool has a WSO in their
        sig.

        Your list is very short. I used to have a running list of the voodoo
        SEO as I called it.

        Debating things is good and helpful. But on some things, there is no
        debate. It's junk.

        If your SEO expert, complete with WSO in sig, goes round spouting
        off 1 or 2 liners that are junk, just to cargo on, then they are junk.

        Add to the fact that some of these guys who live in their mother's
        basements, pose as pretty women.

        Catfishing here abounds.

        Paul
        What exactly is an "SEO expert"?
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        • Profile picture of the author Carolynn
          Originally Posted by Cosmit View Post

          What exactly is an "SEO expert"? That term was always laughable to me. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe these "experts" do exist somewhere.. But to me, it seems like SEO is 5% knowledge, and 95% action.

          I think they exist only in our minds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        If your SEO expert, complete with WSO in sig, goes round spouting
        off 1 or 2 liners that are junk, just to cargo on, then they are junk.
        Through careful observation I've found that keyword density does matter.

        The ratio of vocabulary to empty space appears to have a direct relationship with the way that person's page ranks.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

          Through careful observation I've found that keyword density does matter.

          The ratio of vocabulary to empty space appears to have a direct relationship with the way that person's page ranks.

          Is that before, after, or during a full Moon?
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          • Profile picture of the author jxam69
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Is that before, after, or during a full Moon?
            I think he's mooning you now
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              Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

              I think he's mooning you now

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      • Profile picture of the author uzojvp
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Well, like I always say. You can judge a person by some of the things they
        say.

        If they tell you things like 500 words to an article, or other such rubbish
        as you point out. Stay away from them. Period.

        Like the fool who says if you build 1000 links a month, you must keep
        building at that level to look natural. And that fool has a WSO in their
        sig.

        Your list is very short. I used to have a running list of the voodoo
        SEO as I called it.

        Debating things is good and helpful. But on some things, there is no
        debate. It's junk.

        If your SEO expert, complete with WSO in sig, goes round spouting
        off 1 or 2 liners that are junk, just to cargo on, then they are junk.

        Add to the fact that some of these guys who live in their mother's
        basements, pose as pretty women.

        Catfishing here abounds.

        Paul
        Seriously, Paul are you a Mod here. i follow your comments alot and it makes sense. but most times when it comes to topics where some ask to share a strategy i dont see you share yours, why?
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        • Profile picture of the author Cade21
          Yes, but unless you use a 3 tiered link wheel dart board, it won't work!
          It will if you burst backlink it through a Fiverr campaign. Everybody knows that.
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        • Profile picture of the author ilee
          Originally Posted by uzojvp View Post

          Seriously, Paul are you a Mod here. i follow your comments alot and it makes sense. but most times when it comes to topics where some ask to share a strategy i dont see you share yours, why?
          I wouldn't go that far. I've picked up a fair few tips like building squidoo lenses and blogspot blogs to the extent that he does. Mind you, still haven't tested the method out but it's more useful than the typical bull-nonsense on this board.

          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Nobody in their right mind is going to give out good SEO information. There's no advantage to it. We're all competing in the same niches for the same dollars. I'm sure most people here would rather cut your throat than give you accurate information about SEO.
          Right, no-ones going to tell you what their exact method is for making money, doesn't mean we don't bounce ideas off each other. I've said this so many times but the trick is not to follow a strategy word for word, but to apply an idea, which requires a bit of thinking. Something 99% of this forum is incapable of.
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    True reality is, you'll never know. The people who have made it will never expose their niches & markets, so you'll never know what they have achieved. If somebody asks me what types of sites I make, I ignore them.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    It's a cycle.

    People who don't know what they're talking about preach incorrect advice. Newbies come on here to learn, and then read that incorrect material.

    Then, when another newbie comes on asking a similar questions, they spread that incorrect advice, and it spreads like cancer.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    The one lesson I have taken away from this forum that has protected me from this forum wen I was starting out, is DO EVERYTHING YOURSELF BEFORE OUTSOURCING!!!

    Seriously, you need to figure out what works for you yourself, it may take many months or years of trial and error but once you find a winning formula for something (such as SEO, writing sales pages, social marketing, etc) THEN outsource that exact formula to someone else when you know it works.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Jonas Phil VA
    I don't think most of the people in this forum give out bad advice intentionally. I think for some of them, these techniques really work. We have to remember though most of the warriors here follow a general business model, each business is different. You really have to figure things out as you go. There's still a lot of good advice in this forum. The trick is figuring out which advice would work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moriarty
    The problem is subtle. There are people who have been successful on the internet just through luck. Their success implies they are knowledgeable about it. They apply their systems to your needs. That doesn't always work.

    That's when you get bad advice.

    So - if you want to know who are the ones who really know their stuff, ask them something else - better still, a really dumb question. Those of them who respond with some dignity know that you aren't that knowledgeable and need to learn. They will also be happy to help.

    The ones who tell you straight out that you are a dumb-ass are the ones to avoid. Insults are hurled and their thoughts bypassed. No help. That means these are they guys who only think they know what they're talking about. Because if they did know, they wouldn't get abusive, would they? Works every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Nobody in their right mind is going to give out good SEO information. There's no advantage to it. We're all competing in the same niches for the same dollars. I'm sure most people here would rather cut your throat than give you accurate information about SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carolynn
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Nobody in their right mind is going to give out good SEO information. There's no advantage to it. We're all competing in the same niches for the same dollars. I'm sure most people here would rather cut your throat than give you accurate information about SEO.

      If that is a definitive statement, it's indicative of what the warrior forum is, because, I definitely did not come here to be a SEO buff. I came here to increase my offline " others online" business sales. I'm sure most people come here to do the same. But, they get hung up around people who answer questions based in your thought pattern.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    The funniest example of WF.com is when someone posts a thread asking for SEO help, with a SEO services link in their signature.

    Hilarious!
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSence
    And a thread related to help would get so many replies and most of the replies are from low quality seo service providers who may not have clue what they are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmonkey
    Reminds me of a thread I read once on a bodybuilding board. The admin was sick of newbies reading the site then regurgitating what they had read back to the other newbies on the site. Their final conclusion... you couldn't post advice unless you put your pic up as an avatar. Maybe the warrior forum could make everyone put their bank account as an avatar. (sarcasm)
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  • Profile picture of the author asiriusthoth
    That is why you take everything you read then research it. It doesn't matter who it is. Knowledge is power, but you have to actually research to find the correct answers. Anyone can say anything; doesn't mean it's true. People have to take responsibility about information. You have to actually "research" for yourself. There really shouldn't be a disclaimer on every post lol... it's a sad day when we get there.
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    Warrior Forum and Digitalpoint are my two favorite places to send my competitors to get their SEO advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarged2
    In my time here, I've learned that there's just a handful of people, particularly in the SEO forum, who really know what they're talking about.
    There are, but most of the time they are only ranting.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    The magical keyword density is 2.76%. More than that and Google will send people round to your house to kill you. Or something.

    Most of it is utter rubbish, but then I have been saying that for years.

    I just spent a month working with a site owner and we didn't go beyond tweaking his on site product descriptions for that first month. Doubled his traffic.

    It. Is. Not. Rocket. Science.
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      The magical keyword density is 2.76%. More than that and Google will send people round to your house to kill you. Or something.
      Serious? My homepage is 2.77%! Is there a keyword disavow tool on google?
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        Watch out in the night, Google is coming for you....

        Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

        Serious? My homepage is 2.77%! Is there a keyword disavow tool on google?
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenlc
    I got to admit I've learned a lot from this forum but in all honesty 95% of the advice on here is just wrong and will do more harm than good. There's only a few people I will take any notice of. People like Mike Friedman, Mike Anthony, Yukon, Paulgl, nik0 and a few others.

    I especially love the ones where they have done a case study and compared 100 sites and come up with - the sites that performed best were the ones that had the keyword in the fifth word of the first sentence.

    It's all about taking in advise YOU think may work and testing it to make your own conclusions. One thing is for sure if I knew a great secret I would use it for myself and not share it.

    Some of the people on here make me sick with their dodgy advise followed by a Panda and Penguin proof solution in their signature link which offers badly spun content on spam links. This is peoples livelihoods people are messing with for the sake of making a quick quid.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeadPixel
    Well oddly enough, all these people who "dont know what they are talking about" may be talking from experience. I have a site that is floating on forum profile links. It's not at #1 position but it does rank, and its rankings are down t a profile link blast from Xrumer. I have another site that has been hit by penguin because of an automated social bookmarking blast i did via SBD. I have a massive network of blogs, each blog backed up with a linkwheel of web 2.0, article sites and press release sites, all consisting spun content. some of my blog network have been penalized by penguin, some by panda and some are thriving!!
    So, with every SEO here basing their advice on their own experience, it is no wonder that the feedback is so diverse and confusing for you.
    The truth is that all of it works some of the time, and some of it works all of the time! Worse still no advice you recieve is vaild for more than about 5 months before it is outdated. It really just depends on how safe you want to play it. SEO is just one big game after all.
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by DeadPixel View Post

      Well oddly enough, all these people who "dont know what they are talking about" may be talking from experience.
      This may be true, but the problem is many people don't really understand what they're experiencing.

      There are endless numbers of case studies floating around this forum, and the web at large, which display little or no knowledge of the scientific method.

      They nearly always lack adequate controls, and as a result the conclusions are often flawed.

      So yes, they're talking from experience - but they don't understand their own experience in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    The only issue I really have on this board is when you post questions or give advice there are certain members who no matter what will just make fun of the post or belittle you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rollmodl
      Simply put, experts should be able to back up their talk with solid proof and results. They should be able to explain how they got their results. Giving advice without listening, knowing the full extent of the problem and someones goal is another bad sign.
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewkar
    Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

    I feel that this forum is both a blessing and a curse for newbies. There is a plethora of information that can help people learn the ins and outs of internet marketing, but a hell of a lot more information that is just plain wrong - unintentionally, of course - and can set a new marketer down the wrong path.

    Everyday I still see people, even those who, ironically, sell SEO services in their sig, talk about how there's a magical 2% or whatever KW density; how your articles need to have at least 500 words to have any chance of securing a decent ranking; people still banging on about how blasting 5,000 links is a good thing; how edu links are the best sort of links you can get; how profile links carry a great deal of weight; how quality content is all you need for success and everything else will take care of itself, and so on and so on.

    In my time here, I've learned that there's just a handful of people, particularly in the SEO forum, who really know what they're talking about, and no, I certainly wouldn't put myself into that category, but I'm learning every day and feel that I have a much better grasp of what I need to do when compared to, say, a couple of months ago. Hell, what I've said above might even be wrong (I have a feeling that it isn't, though).

    Do you think that I have a point here?
    No.

    I don't think so.

    You know sh*** actually about SEO

    or ...

    you really Know something!

    Show me your work
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