[SEO] All-in-One Myth Busting Thread

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Guys,

I figured there are a load of bad SEO techniques been spouted around the forum and even sold to the unsuspecting. These techniques can destroy a business so I thought it will be prudent for SEOers here to each contribute at least one method that will be considered poor SEO practice (on-page and off-page).

Read through the thread before posting your method to avoid repetition. There are enough bad practices to go around so you shouldn't have a problem outlining one of them.

I'll start:







This is not so much of a technique but more of a mindset where people are led to believe the more links they get to their site will equate to more "votes" which will result in higher rankings. This is untrue.

The more links been offered by a supplier only equates to a reduction in the quality of links which means the links themselves are high risk and of low quality. Links are not created equal. Quality always trumps quantity!

A quality link is a contextual/editorial type link on a page that is relevent which has PageRank or will increase in PageRank. The uniqueness of the content and the domain authority also carries a weightage. (check domain authority here: Open Site Explorer).

Page Authority (PA) is also important but only if the link is going to remain on the page that has a good PA score.

If the root domain has PR and the site has good internal linking and slow posting frequency then chances of a new post increasing in PR are high.






"Stay away from anyone pimping forum profiles, gov, & edu links. That eliminates most of the junk link sellers."

posted by Yukon, post no. 2




If you come across a seller offering you a large number of links on a blog network that accepts spun content - STAY AWAY. These type of networks leave a clear footprint and Google will find out about it which means you run the risk of getting penalized by using such links.






1.4.1) "Adding crap links like profiles, article submission blasts, etc., makes your site link profile look more "natural", so that's a great thing!" (this is a myth)

1.4.2) "Add to that - you must have 20% or 15% or 10% no-follow links to look natural.

I don't know how my authority sites are still ranking with 99.99% of backlinks all passing full link juice - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?"






1.5.1) Another myth: "Readable spun content is just as good as unique written content" or in other words MashedUP content sucks, it increased my deindex rate of my tier 2 network hugely.

1.5.2) Unique content eats spun content and works best ALL the time!






Here is another myth that is widely believed even by SEO's... Link velocity and link consistency.

Building links too fast does not harm your site. Building shitty links harms your site.

Also, there is nothing more unnatural than a site getting a consistent 20-30 links a day or whatever other amount of links you come up with. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a site getting link spikes. Happens all the time. That's what happens when a piece of content goes viral.






Myth, you don't need backlinks

I get tired of hearing this, if you really want good rankings, you need to get some version of backlinks. In some niches most people won't link to you naturally. In fact pretty much every high ranking site in my niche definitely builds backlinks to their own site.

Backlinking is just part of the game.




(this is kinda of a continuation from the previous contribution by Slin)

The premise of just building a site well and it will take-off is flawed. The philosophy is a myth.

I see many many sites in the various niches that I am in that are built well with awesome site design and content. These sites deserve to rank high but they don't. There needs to be some sort of initial promotion to get the ball rolling and for people to notice these type of sites.

Perhaps one will not need SEO but rather some sort of social media marketing (SMM) to get these type of sites noticed by people and the search engines.

This is Google's philosophy btw... create compelling content and the links will follow but links can't be built to great content if no one is actually seeing it.




1.9.1)Social signal myth is absolutely nonsense! I personally didnt see any benefit of social signals on SEO campaigns.

1.9.2) I just want to add that I too did not see much value from social links. I did see some positive SERP movement from retweets but even that has lost its punch. Although social links do not carry much of a weightage at this point in time I still believe it is important to have these type of links for diversity and possible future value.






1.10.1) Paid Backlink: Google hate paid backlink. But i saw Paid directory word very nice in SEO. Why Yahoo directory charge huge amount of money for directory submission for a year. Yahoo directory submission work super in SEO.

1.10.2) Just to add to the above: buying links is against Google's guidelines and they hate anyone who buy links to manipulate pagerank but the truth is that it is very difficult for them to detect a paid link. A paid link on a relevent page with PR will do wonders for your rankings but staying under the radar by choosing how you acquire these links is essential.

The Yahoo directory above is an extreme case of a paid link that Google knows about but does not penalize.

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2.1.1) Many people talk about a certain keyword density that will help with on-page optimization and rankings. You will hear some say 1%, others 2% and I have even heard people talk about 5% keyword density.

This is all BS and ancient SEO. There is no perfect keyword density! Over doing this may actually hurt your rankings.

What is important is having your KW in your title tag and LSI type keywords in your content (this increases relevence). Many times the LSI KWs in the content will appear naturally if one is writing naturally.

2.2.2) SEOpressor is a myth!

Or in ohter words, maintaing a certain kw density, putting your keywords with underline, bold tags, place them in h2, h3, h4 is a big myth, as it can easily lead to a Panda penalty.






Myth: Not cloaking your affiliate links is showing to Google that you run an affiliate site.

That's really the biggest nonsense myth ever, like Google bot doesn't know where it ends up on when it crawls that link. In fact it raises a red flag. Matt Cuts even admitted that but people remain stubborn and cloak all the way.






2.3.1) My apology if Duplicate Content myth is already covered! If not then I think this myth should be added on OP as lots of newbies still believe google will punish their sites if there are any duplicate content.

There is no duplicate content penalty at all! As a webmaster you have enough right to publish same article/graphics/videos on multiple pages of your site. Google will index duplicate pages. May be sometime duplicate pages will be preserved in supplementary index but that doesnt mean Google impose penalty on the pages.


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Here is a giant freaking myth. Putting Webmaster Tools or AdSense on your account somehow gives Google added information that they didn't have before about your link building activities and they will punish your site faster/harder/easier if you are using WMT or AdSense and using anything less than high quality links.






3.2.1) "here's a quirk i hate, if it passes copyscape then it's good unique content - well it might be unique, but any basic spinner can get past copyscape, heck a bit of magic ansi manipulation can get past copyscape, when did copyscape become the the standard for good content? it shouldn't be. copyscape is junk used by article spinning ppl to pass off their work as legitimate."

3.2.2) "Oh and here is another one. If something passes Copyscape, it is original.

Sorry, but Copyscape does not have anywhere near the resources to crawl and index the internet as Google, or most other search engines for that matter.

On top of that, Copyscape is in no way associated with Google, so what they see as "original" does not mean that Google has the same view on the same content."


Many believe certain on-page factors such as uniqueness of content and consistently adding new content will help a site's pagerank. This is untrue!

PR of a page or root domain is determined by the PR of the backlinks to the page or root. If there are high PR links pointing to your domain expect the domain to increase in PR.



Myth: Google resets the link value when a domain gets dropped!

Question by me:
Do people actually believe this? I did not know about this myth...

Answer by Nik0:
Yeah if you Google on the subject you see it mentioned more often then not.

The idea to esarch about it started when I saw that the dropped domains from my broker were a lot cheaper then the expired ones. Then I started to read a lot of stories that Google would reset the PR of those or reset the old links but I was like wth I'm just going to try it and they seem to work just as good as expired ones. I also asked the broker what he thought and he only said: People don't like dropped ones (and obvious they are also cheaper to achieve for him, not sure what method he uses but it's not Hayden's). Anyway a domain is as good as the back link profile it has, whether it's expired or dropped.

posted by nik0, post no. 85



3.5.1) Oops I think you guys missed the biggest myth flooding after each and almost every google updates! After every algo update some headless chickens star running screaminng SEO IS DEAD! I personally believe White Hat SEO cant be dead as SEO is not all about manipulation. Google was, is and will be continuing devaluation of spammy links, websites, methods etc. but that doesnt mean sooner or letter SEO gonna be found on history books! In fact there are tons of legitimate white hat methods are still available.

3.6.1) One big myth that i remember rite now is that google keyword tool can tell you about the competition of a particular keyword. i've seen a lot of people say "this keyword is easy to rank coz google keyword tool shows its low competition".

3.6.2) Even bigger myth is that the number of competing pages shown in google can determine the level of competition. Utter nonsense!!!




3.7.1) New domains are difficult to rank so start with old aged domains. I saw this types of garbage opinions from so called gurus on SEO forums. Domain age has very little impact on SEO campaigns. I ranked just 1 month old domains which outranked even 10 years old domains. When it comes in SEO perspective authority comes first.

3.7.2) Just to add to the above: it is not the age of the domain that matters but the trust and the authoirty that was built to the domain via the backlinks and PR it has gained over time that makes the aged domain valuable. An aged domain with no backlinks is pretty much as good as any new domain.

#search engine optimization #busting #myth #quality seo #seo #seo best practice #seo myths #seo techniques #thread
  • Banned
    Stay away from anyone pimping forum profiles, gov, & edu links. That eliminates most of the junk link sellers.

    I seriously doubt anyone will read this thread & take any advice because the junk links are so low in cost. They buy the junk link blast because of the low cost, $%#@ up their search rankings, then come here to the free forum & ask for free help on where it all went wrong.

    I'm in the mood today to tell them all to go %$#@ up their sites & be done with it.
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    • You probably right... but worth the effort! I guess if one person learns about the bad SEO practices out there then the thread has served its purpose!

      With you on the forum links... utter garbage!
    • This one actually annoys me. People who claim gov and edu links are more powerful than .com backlinks are, most of the time, link sellers. this is an stupid myth really. edu backlinks get no additional boost in the serp as people claim. its not the TLD that matters, its what in the TLD that matters. most of these edu domains are very old and have tons of valuable information that tend to attract a lot of authority sites linking to them. hence they build the authority/trust google is looking for. but then any .com backlink from an authority site is just as good as any edu or gov links.
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    One thing I don't understand about Warrior Forum is, WF doesn't like spammers but they allow people to sell forum profile link blast in WSOs.

    Counterproductive.
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    • Banned
      I don`t sell and don`t even buy spammy links, but I do believe that if someone offers a legit service and actually gives what people are paying for.. then I don`t get why he shouldn`t be allowed to sell
    • There's one person here who they should ban, straight up. Nothing but
      junk threads, junk spam, then touting some gawd-awful WSO.

      Makes my stomach turn. See, people like Yukon (and a really a TON)
      of others here, actually WANT people to succeed. Sometimes we just
      hold our collective noses.

      I can't say I agree with everything the OP says, but SEO myth busting
      is a passion of mine here. Stopping the junk peddlers.
      But, alas. They always seem to win more followers like
      the Pied Piper leading rat's down a sewer hole.

      Ever wonder why there are so many fail threads here? Why? There
      is no reason to wonder.

      I can't fault the WF too much. They want to make as much money as
      humanly possible. I do wish there would be quite a few big, in
      your face disclaimers.

      But then, any fool who buys a WSO, and does not glean and read this
      forum first, is a fool. And a fool and his money are soon parted.

      Paul
  • Focus on things like scrapebox and xrumer. Smash your main site with as many links as you can. Forget good writing and people visiting your site, just hammer it until it bleeds links.
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    • You have any idea how many people do not get that you're joking??
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      Exactly cause the worse the quality of your site the higher the CTR

      Money, money, money!
  • This thread turned out to be an epic fail! It is only the SEOers on this forum who can make it into something worthwhile but I can see no one is interested in helping the newbs stay clear from bad practice. This forum is clearly for people who just want to drop their sigs. in as many places as possible.
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    • Here is a giant freaking myth. Putting Webmaster Tools or AdSense on your account somehow gives Google added information that they didn't have before about your link building activities and they will punish your site faster/harder/easier if you are using WMT or AdSense and using anything less than high quality links.

      This one is routinely told by low quality link builders (because they are morons), and has never made any sense to me. So you want Google to know about your links so they rank you better, but you want to hide some kind of magic link data that WMT gives to them?
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    • Banned
      I try to teach the noobs every day, do they listen?
  • Lanx and I must have been on the same brainwave there.
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    • i live in lancaster, so our seo minds are only 30miles away!
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  • Adding crap links like profiles, article submission blasts, etc., makes your site link profile look more "natural", so that's a great thing!
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    • Add to that - you must have 20% or 15% or 10% no-follow links to look natural.

      I don't know how my authority sites are still ranking with 99.99% of backlinks all passing full link juice - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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      Good one.

      Another myth: "Readable spun content is just as good as unique written content" or in ohter words MashedUP content sucks, it increased my deindex rate of my tier 2 network hugely. 10% in the last month.
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  • really forum link profiles are just pages just like all the other internet pages.

    Its what is one the pages that matters.

    Forum profiles that are basically repeated:

    name:james
    job:I dont have one
    where you live:the moon
    intrests:music
    blahblahblahblah

    But if you have a extensive page then with more content then they can actually be good. Some forum profiles let you actually post comments and posts.
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    SEOpressor is a myth!

    Or in ohter words, maintaing a certain kw density, putting your keywords with underline, bold tags, place them in h2, h3, h4 is a big myth, as it can easily lead to a Panda penalty.
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    • I have not tested this myself, but I believe this is true. I don't understand how a content formula can be good. I bought an SEOpresser article before (paid too much), and it did no good for me. Nothing better than a natural article that is written for real readers.
    • Lol and yes to both.

      I really believe that seopressor made strong use of newbie panic when they first get into SEO. "What major on-page things do i need on my site?" and so they go with an automated option that happens to be pushed at them from affiliate links in X number of WSO's.
  • I've just had a brilliant idea for a unique TV show - I call it "SEO Mythbusters" (well, it passed copyscape )
  • I nearly forgot - all those people who keep telling me to use no-follow internally to sculpt PageRank.
  • i said it elsewhere, onsite seo is silly, it's a checklist:
    h1/h2/h3 check
    bold something check
    alt img text check
    link to wikipedia check

    or whatever else weird myths are told about onsite seo, it's not onsite seo, it's a footprint, normal ppl don't do this!
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    • Banned
      So your saying build a $hitty site than rely 100% on external links?
  • Great contributions everyone... I will be adding them to the OP (with credit) later today/tonight!
  • I dont have webmasters installed not because im trying to hide my backlink builders but because if you have multiple website on one webmasters account then its like just exposing your network and ..maybe just maybe sneaky google might ignore atleast the links to one of your websites pointing to your other website on webmasters. Also its to much hassle setting up webmaster accounts per website probably google would link ips...who knows.

    Thats my reasoning for not using webmasters or what ever (im not a adsense user so i dont know about adsense and multiple websites with that)
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    • Trying to limit exposure of a network is something completely different and a totally valid reason to avoid WMT and Analytics.

      For a network site, there really is no benefit to using WMT. For your main site though, there really is no reason not to use it.
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  • who says a site without h tags are shitty?, have you ever truely seen a h1 tag? it's ugly! it's so in your face. use formatting to give the user readability, tabs, list, of course paragraphs...
    don't just tags because they are there,

    who in their normal right minds uses
    h1
    h2
    h3

    those were there as a choice, not as a checklist, you're not supposed to use h1/h2/h3 in descending order to talk about your topic, what kind of relevance is that?
    what does h1/h2/h3 even mean? it means heading a page heading, you're only supposed to have one heading, do you have three heads?

    this "supposed" onsite seo checklist is all it is, "supposed" and a checklist, and a checklist easily leads to a footprint.

    does every post have to link to wikipedia or some "supposed" authority site? does that even make sense? i have a store, i have a best buy, am i going to send my customers to the apple store to check out all the mac crap to loose a sale? if it had a purpose yea, say i cared about my customers and said "we don't have it in stock, but you can go here to just buy it, since you need it" but just to throw the apple store link out there cuz they're authority, does that give me anything?

    not use onsite seo, does not create a shitty site, h1/h2/h3 tags and bolding a keyword doesn't make a site less shitty now does it?
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    • Banned
      I do. h1 doesn't have to be ugly have you tried scaling it down with css?

      h1 gets a lot of weight in comparison to other text on the page. Why wouldn't you want your keywords there? Good SEO and good site aesthetics don't have to be mutually exclusive and when combined they are a powerhouse that pleases both humans and bots. HTH
    • Banned
      Google CSS, seriously.

      There's more to a web page than HTML.
  • just cuz there's a wiki doesn't mean anything, besides all wiki info on anything seo is outdated by 2 years and just guesstimates.
  • I am leaving the SandBox theory out because it is highly debateable!
  • Myth? Take my word for it.

    Don't trust people, go out and run some tests! That's how I always have gained SEO knowledge, read, research, and test.
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    • Your "Professional Website SEO Package" consists of

      - 150 High PR 2- 9 Article Backlinks(Blogs)
      - 150 Web 2.0 Backlinks
      - 250 Social Bookmarking Backlinks
      - 250 Wiki Backlinks
      - 250 Article Submissions
      - 250 Profile Backlinks
      -250 Web Directory Backlinks


      Do you actually find this stuff to be effective, then?



      What about "Select the amount of days over which your backlinks should be created. It is recommended to use at least 10 days for small orders and 30 days for bigger orders. If too many backlinks are created within a very short period of time, Google might detect that as spam and devalue all of your links." Link velocity and consistency, as mentioned above, is considered to be bullshit. So....
  • ok, instead of making jokes on some bad practices how about telling people
    then how to do it correctly?
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    • The thread is not about doing SEO. It is about highlighting many of the myths that are out there in SEO.
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  • Here is another myth that is widely believed even by SEO's... Link velocity and link consistency.

    Building links too fast does not harm your site. Building shitty links harms your site.

    Also, there is nothing more unnatural than a site getting a consistent 20-30 links a day or whatever other amount of links you come up with. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a site getting link spikes. Happens all the time. That's what happens when a piece of content goes viral.
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    • Haha... I was just about to add that one... you beat me to it!
  • because that's what you say to customers to "appease" them. "will my pickup truck run up mountain?" "uh sure, why not"
    the customer just wants to hear you say yes, and be assured. so you basically sell your pitch and your "experience" before hand.

    customer goes
    "oh i read about this panda,velocity thing"
    "yea this guy has it covered!"

    in truth you don't know if/when/maybe google will even see your preciously/mathematically calculated drip fed comments, or google could just choose to see all your weeks worth of comments on a saturday, you have no control over it, it's just like fishing.
  • Do you really think not using relevant/kw terms in heading tags makes no difference? I understand not wanting to overoptimize or not wanting to be extremely unnatural through keyword stuffing, but the claim that using heading tags doesn't help as an SEO measure seems like a far-fetched one.

    If Google isn't looking at headings, what is it looking at?
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    • whoever said h1's don't help, they help usability, someone is going to appreciate a heading tag, because they didn't read the title, sure. again this is on readability, spacing out every 150 words with a h tag in desending order while trying to keyword stuff, doesn't help anybody, but again create a footprint.

      tags are there for a reason, to separate information into readable/understandable chuncks you need to list something? use li /li, you really want to make a statement, go with bold.

      if you always have to bold a certain keyword while making h tags every 150words, that's not helping anyone.

      also there's the assumption that on-site seo exists,
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  • Banned
    Onsite what-now? Correctly labeling your content with a header that reflects what it's about??? Google has no time for that nonsense. They are busy trying to make Matt Cutts look human on camera and creating a thoughtful new interactive Google logo every day. Priorities people, priorities.
  • i didnt find your thread useful at all.. sorry buddy..
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    • No surprise there! Someone who stuffs their sig. with multiple anchor text backlinks wouldn't find value where value lies.
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  • JackSarlo,

    There is no reason to focus on a specific amount of links per day. That is absolutely asinine. There is also nothing wrong with enormous spikes in links. It happens to sites all the time. That's what happens when a piece of content goes viral.

    I have plenty of sites where I spent a week building links and never built another link. They are ranking just fine. There was no consistency there.

    The only reason you have to build links "consistently" is when you are using low quality links like article directories. Those links do not stick at a high rate. If you are not building links all the time with low quality stuff like that, then you are losing links faster than you are gaining them.
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    • You are confusing cause and effect here. If someone is selling 10,000 backlinks, they are all trashy links. It doesn't matter if you space those out over a year or get them all in one night. Eventually they are probably going to tank the site. It's because of the type of backlinks, not any spike in links.
  • I did some of those time ago! Now, I just concentrate on good content and guest posting, wich works great.
    Forum posting too is a great way to get links.
  • there's no confusion, just not agreement
    mike is saying links per day and spikes is a myth
    jack is saying no i believe it.
  • It's a shame because this thread was started to highlight these type of dumb myths, and you are just trying to further it along.

    If someone is selling 10,000 links, the links are crap. That is the problem. It's not because of the spike in links. You are building crappy links. You could get those crappy links in 24 hours or 20/day. Either way it is going to result in basically the same thing.

    If I obtain a picture of Lady Gaga sucking off Justin Bieber, post it to my website, and TMZ happens to pick up the story and refer to my website, I am going to get way more than 10,000 links in a 24 hour period. According to your nonsense, Google is going to slap my site because of a spike in links. That is ludicrous.

    Also, there are plenty of examples of a brand new business creating a new site and doing a ton of offline advertising to create buzz. This creates a giant spike in links to a brand new site. Sites do not get slapped for that either.
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    • wow you york guys are hardcore in your descriptions!
      but, but, but can't we drip feed a viral campaign? lol

      spikes happen in the industry, it's more natural than drip feeding.

      i mean the official playstation blog was probably getting 10000 ppl a day before thursday for months, and it probably shot up to millions

    • That's total B*llsh*t!



      It's the other way around.
  • spikes are natural, they happen. heck maybe even 10k porn backlinks are natural maybe those porn forums were linking to a new perezhilton upskirt or something.
  • do you even know what trolling is? do you just throw out terms because you got fustrated? how is that trolling? it's an example, it's probably a real world example, would no one not agree?

    just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are a troll, i hope you understand this.
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  • Okay Jack. Show one ounce of evidence that a link spike will hurt a site's ranking.

    Your evidence has to make it conclusive that it is the actual spike causing the problem and not the type of links.

    If you CHOOSE to build 20 or 30 links a day, that is your choice. You are free to do that. Nobody is saying you cannot do that. Nobody is saying that will not work, although I would argue that it is a far more unnatural approach.

    But telling people that link spikes hurt rankings is just not true. It is one of the common SEO myths that this thread is trying to put to bed.
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    • Bullcrap. There are tons of examples. I can give you a local example I have used before.

      I live right near Harrisburg, PA. One of the local newspapers was largely responsible for breaking and covering the Jerry Sandusky disaster. When the story broke, they were getting thousands upon thousands of links a day. It was a huge spike. Then it largely went away, until some other new story about Sandusky came out. Again, big spike in links. Then it went away. Then the trial started. Big spike.

      Those spikes never hurt the newspaper's website. This is not a nationally syndicated newspaper. It is not the New York Times or Washington Post. It's just a little local paper.

      There are tons of examples you can find like this. I can find none that support your claim.
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    Only if it's a waning moon and Jupiter is the the BS house....

    10,000 crappy blog comments on PR n/a sites to a drycleaning website in Idaho on a random Tuesday might be a risky spike but not for the spike's sake: crappy links are crappy links. The more crappy links you have the better the odds that Google will come across them and paddle you.

    But good juicy gravy links?? I'm not going to stop building good links at any point in my day because I've hit some kind of "good link ceiling".
    Makes me laugh...

    Internet: "Hey would you like a couple of PR6 do follows on a popular blog in your niche?"
    Me: "Ahhh no thanks, I'm good. I've gotten too many of those today."

    OR

    Internet Fans: "Awesome post!! We're going to link to it!"
    Me: "Nooooooooo! Can you wait til Thursday? I don't want my links to spike"

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  • Banned
    Let's back it up with some data that is only present in my head as I tested it almost a year ago so just take my word on it okay.

    I tried to penalize my site, well actually I was desperate with my thin Amazon affiliate site that consisted of spun and scraped content. So I said to myself , it's ALL or NOTHING. What I did was blast 40.000 blog comments and 20.000 forum profile links with 1000+ different anchor txt's. According to my expectations my rankings dropped.

    BUT

    Less then a week later my site restored automatically.

    THen I was in the mood of **** that, it's tank or rank, not the same level. So I went even more crazy with the spam and the 2nd time my site did tank completely and stayed that way for > 6 months. The site didn't even rank for the sitename anymore.

    >6 months later I decided to repurpose the site and removed all the pages, and obvious all the bad links as well as they were pointed at those inner pages. And guess what? My site instantly started to rank for the site name again. Pure alghoritm penalty, long before Penguin even existed.
  • I think what you pointing out is your SEO routine or blueprint as you put it to rank a new site. This is your method and it involves building an x amount of links each day.

    But I assure you I can build 5 quality links on day one and you can build your 20 links over a week and I can achieve the same result as you or better.

    It all depends on the quality of the links and not the regularity that they are built. However, consistency is key especially in competitive niches because there are others gunning for the top spot.

    For people who build low quality links in competitive niches they will have a full-time job trying to achieve rankings and maintain it. Basically, building quality links is the smart way of SEOing a site and the risks are far lower.

    With regard to spikes:

    I believe there is a distinction between a natural spike and an unnatrual one. When SEOers are building links enmasse they WILL leave a clear footprint by using the same platforms or spun article/comments, anchors etc. when building these links, but when something goes viral there is a wide array of platforms and content where the links come from.

    IMO... a natural spike is harmless to any site (regardless of age), but an unnatural spike is risky especially for newer sites that don't have any form of trust or backlink profile in Google's eyes.

    But the Myth still stands: building x amount of links each day to appear natural is nonsense.
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    • I think you're both right on link velocity.

      A spike isn't bad unless it's unnatural. If Google sees thousands of links coming in from reputable news sites, they'll probably see it differently than a spike with thousands of links from social bookmarking sites and forum profiles.

      That being said, if you're going to be creating unnatural links (which all built links are), I believe it's less risky to do it slowly because a spike could lead to more link scrutiny from Google than a slower dripfeed. It's possible.

      Also, slower linking gives you time to develop natural links (if your content is good enough), which will help offset the unnatural built links. I believe this is a solid practice.
  • Newbie: "My site was on page 1, but suddenly it went to page 60. What's happened?"
    SEO "expert": "Dude, your site has crappy backlinks, the big G penalized ur site!"

    Google doesn't penalize a site for having "crappy" links. Google just start disregarding these bad backlinks, and the site simply losts its advantage over other sites (that have better backlinks). If all the backlinks of a given site is crappy (like fake profile pages, lame blog comments, spammy forum signatures), and Google finds this out and disregard them, then this site will have absolutely no backlink in the eyes of Google. This means that the site will sink to the bottom of the ocean of millions of sites
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      Not true cause if that was the case it would easy to get those sites ranking again, which is definitely not the case.
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  • Myth, you don't need backlinks

    I get tired of hearing this, if you really want good rankings, you need to get some version of backlinks. In some niches most people won't link to you naturally. In fact pretty much every high ranking site in my niche definitely builds backlinks to their own site.

    Backlinking is just part of the game.
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    • Do people actually believe this? I did not know about this myth... will add it to the OP later. Thnx!

      This is a good one as well! I will include it later and add the whole thing about quality content been enough to rank....

      Myth: "build it and they will come"

      Thanks!
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    • Of course you need backlinks, but I think the real myth is that "You must build backlinks for your site."
  • i'll just agree with you, i only majored in comp sci and business... heck i'll admit it, i even had to google philosophy to make sure i spelled it correctly, i was like two o's? damn.
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    • LOL...

      Thanks man... I am not to keen to debate today either! My day of rest!
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  • anyone got any myth busting regarding same ips and linking?
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    • I link from sites in my network to a money site a good few times and I still see value but I don't over do it and I also change the anchors. Some have said that there is diminishing returns the more you do it.

      I have not tested this but I do know that IP diversity is essential! Maybe another warrior can shed more light on this.

      Here are a number of threads for you to chew on in the meantime: https://www.google.com/search?q=link...ient=firefox-a
  • Oops I think you guys missed the biggest myth flooding after each and almost every google updates! After every algo update some headless chickens star running screaminng SEO IS DEAD! I personally believe White Hat SEO cant be dead as SEO is not all about manipulation. Google was, is and will be continuing devaluation of spammy links, websites, methods etc. but that doesnt mean sooner or letter SEO gonna be found on history books! In fact there are tons of legitimate white hat methods are still available.
  • One big myth that i remember rite now is that google keyword tool can tell you about the competition of a particular keyword. i've seen a lot of people say "this keyword is easy to rank coz google keyword tool shows its low competition".

    Even bigger myth is that the number of competing pages shown in google can determine the level of competition. Utter nonsense!!!
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    • These two are huge myths... man oh man... how could we have fprgotten about them. Thanks Ben! Will add them to the OP a little later!

      @JackSarlo

      Dude, you removed all your posts and screwed up the credit links in the OP. Oh well!

      Added: Okay... u actually didn't screw it up... the posts were removed and the post counts are not adjusted accordingly. Sorry!
  • Here is a great video that debunks the social links and edu/gov myths out there. I know we shouldn't listen to everything Matt says but my results proves this video to be true.

    How do you rate links from sites like Twitter and Facebook? - YouTube
  • My apology if Duplicate Content myth is already covered! If not then I think this myth should be added on OP as lots of newbies still believe google will punish their sites if there are any duplicate content.

    There is no duplicate content penalty at all! As a webmaster you have enough right to publish same article/graphics/videos on multiple pages of your site. Google will index duplicate pages. May be sometime duplicate pages will be preserved in supplementary index but that doesnt mean Google impose penalty on the pages.

    Same for backlink pages too. You can post same content on multiple social networking or blogging sites. No problem at all. It's like same billboard installed beside different highways for different types of traffic. Is that illegal? Well the only problem I faced with duplicate contents on backlink pages is its hard to index. 4 or 5 exact articles will not be headache but hundreds of exact articles on hundreds of different article directories will be tough to index.
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    • agreed! using one article in few web 2.0s is not bad at all. although it could be a problem if there are two pages of same content within a website. not necessarily a duplicate content penalty tho. it has got more to do with search engine bots getting confused as to which page to rank among the two.
  • New domains are difficult to rank so start with old aged domains. I saw this types of garbage opinions from so called gurus on SEO forums. Domain age has very little impact on SEO campaigns. I ranked just 1 month old domains which outranked even 10 years old domains. When it comes in SEO perspective authority comes first. You need to ensure your main efforts goes behind developing an authority site. Then get backlinks from authority and non spammy sites. Relevant high PR pages will play key roles forever!
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    • i think the more important thing would be the age of backlinks rather than domain. age of backlinks does make difference in terms of seo. links that are online for a long time tend to get more trust from google. anyone else feel the same?
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  • Paid Backlink: Google hate paid backlink. But i saw Paid directory word very nice in SEO. Why Yahoo directory charge huge amount of money for directory submission for a year. Yahoo directory submission work super in SEO.
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    • I don't think it is so much to do with the age of the domain but rather the type of backlinks that the aged domain already has which will give it a head-start compared to a new domain without any backlinks.

      You can rank a new domain as quickly as an aged domain but you can only do it with quality links that pass authority and PR. I believe the reason why people talk about aged domains been advantageous is because these domains already have that authority and trust (when there are quality backlinks pointing to it).

      Will like to hear what others think about this?

      This is actually a brilliant addition and really funny at the same time. Yes, links from Yahoo directory are good and this is a paid link.... haha.... so much for Google not liking paid links!

      This one is really controversial... too many SEOers have their own preference or belief about nofollow links. I can't add this one to the list because of this, but thanks for your contribution!
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  • Many SEO say that nofollow backlink is not work in SEO ,it was waste of time because no link juice pass on that link so page rank not increase at all but in many case nofollow backlink work very nice in SEO. I benefit this kind of backlink in verious cases.
  • oh speaking of domain age, i remember a myth

    google checks to see how long you registered a domain for, a 2 year registered domain holds more weight than a 1 year registered domain.

    actually i will give this credit to my first "ah ha moment" i followed this, once and then thought,wait this sounds silly, where did this "random wso person" even hear this.

    and went about compiling my list of assumed crap.
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    • Yeah, I remember this one clearly. In fact, I think we may have read the same crappy WSO. I think the person said if possible try and register it for even longer than 2 years (5 years or something)... lol


      @Hossain

      Got you man! Will add that to the OP as well!
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  • i'm gonna propose something, i think "links from related niches" are a myth.

    now i'm thinking as a websurfer.

    let's i frequent a hobby forum, and in the off topic (where everyone eventually talks because... come on there's only so much you can talk about that specific hobby, and since you've all built a tight community, why not continue the discussion?) you get tons of links.

    in my hobby forum, off topic is just that, littered with
    1. loose weight health challenge i will do p90x whose with me?
    2. lets talk about anime
    3. the mega tv thread

    and just like here, i never have any links in my sig, and i won't let anyone else have links in their sigs to like whatever.

    so even those off topic threads, i examine each link (if there even is one) and make sure it's not an aff link, i can't help myself, i can spot an aff link 110% of the time, and i'm protecting my community. (i'm sure many of you do too)

    so my hobby forum which is a pr 5? (or 4 i forget) well it's the leader for the niche and keywords, with crazy geeks and nerds (i'm one of them) and the off topic links to varied topics, that quite honestly ppl get a lot of knowledge, enjoyment from.

    this in my opinion is natural, so why is the myth of "only links from related niches" around?
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    • Banned
      SEOmoz did some sort of a test after the Penguin updates and from that it showed that people with less then 10% links from relevant niches were penalized way more often.

      So you definitely don't need only links from relevant niches but you must have some.
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  • let's talk about do-follow vs. no-follow(i'm not really up on this myth)

    google says only a very small percentage of the web is even no-follow, which is probably true, what myths are associated with this tag?

    (i just build links to whatever do/no follow, it decreases with tiers, i'll "try" to get do-follows on tier1, i am kinda not concentrating on tier 2, anything goes for tier 3 and 4 for me really)
  • Sorry guys... been a bit busy! Will update the OP and reply wherever I need too during the weekend!
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  • i have created the list of seo myths
    1. Top Ranking Brings Success
    2. Listing Site at Google
    3. Links are Better than Content
    4. IT Professional Can only Deploy SEO
    5. Meta Description Influence Search Ranking
    6. Only On-Page SEO is Significant
    7. Ideal Density of Keywords
    8. No Relation Between Social Media & SEO
    9. Integrating Exact Match Keyword
    10. Huge Content at Home Page is Good

    you can read complete seo myths information here -

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    Guys, I figured there are a load of bad SEO techniques been spouted around the forum and even sold to the unsuspecting. These techniques can destroy a business so I thought it will be prudent for SEOers here to each contribute at least one method that will be considered poor SEO practice (on-page and off-page).