Ranked a site on page #4 with zero content and no backlinks...

11 years ago

What was the competition like for the keyword? How many words in the keyword? Also how many searches "exact" does the keyword get monthly?

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by larryboy03

What was the competition like for the keyword? How many words in the keyword? Also how many searches "exact" does the keyword get monthly?

6K exact global searches and 250K 'competing' pages (if you call it competition). I know the purists will argue that your competition is the top #10 so I'll leave that up to you.

I'm not saying this technique will get you to number #1. That takes a bit more work and some smarter thinking. What I am saying is that you don't need complicated/abstract link building. In my experience the competition isn't as hard as you might think it would be with the right keyword research.
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online only

11 years ago

wow, page 4... You probably get thousands of visitors per day. Your lucky. Keep up the good work!

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by online only

wow, page 4... You probably get thousands of visitors per day. Your lucky. Keep up the good work!

Missing the point but it's cool...
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KingRoyal 11 years ago

Originally Posted by online only

wow, page 4... You probably get thousands of visitors per day. Your lucky. Keep up the good work!

Lol, sarcasm? I did get a 1 month old domain page 1 of google for a 9.4 Million EXACT key word searched
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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Lol, I accidentally overwrote my WP installation one time and lost all my content, it was an EMD as well that was slightly over optimized, there was content though and I had already build a few links and was ranking at #7.

However after my mistake and an empty WP installation my keyword moved up to #3

You got to love Panda

Funny enough it is now ranking at #1 for the EMD, just checked it a minute ago, hardly competition though but the site is still an empty WP.

No competiton, how about a PR6 inner page from a .gov.uk site with the exact keyphrase in their title and in their meta description and in their H1 tags, damn. Another reason why you should never stare blind at kw in title, url, h1 tag or whatever. Although this is quite exceptional as the PR6 gov page is about something totally different then the kw, it's about passports and other legal issue's, and has not a single anchor txt that slightly relates to the page title etc. In fact it's a FAQ kind of page! But the perfect example why back links with relevant anchor txt's are so insane important, it makes or breaks the rankings of your site.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol, I accidentally overwrote my WP installation one time and lost all my content, it was an EMD as well that was slightly over optimized, there was content though and I had already build a few links and was ranking at #7.

However after my mistake and an empty WP installation my keyword moved up to #3

You got to love Panda

Funny enough it is now ranking at #1 for the EMD, just checked it a minute ago, hardly competition though but the site is still an empty WP.

No competiton, how about a PR6 inner page from a .gov.uk site with the exact keyphrase in their title and in their meta description and in their H1 tags, damn. Another reason why you should never stare blind at kw in title, url, h1 tag or whatever. Although this is quite exceptional as the PR6 gov page is about something totally different then the kw, it's about passports and other legal issue's, and has not a single anchor txt that slightly relates to the page title etc. In fact it's a FAQ kind of page! But the perfect example why back links with relevant anchor txt's are so insane important, it makes or breaks the rankings of your site.

So, we need to remove all the content from our website to rank first on google. Then, we can put up an advertisement link with nofollow/noindex tag to bank a lot of money.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by alternatesword

So, we need to remove all the content from our website to rank first on google. Then, we can put up an advertisement link with nofollow/noindex tag to bank a lot of money.

Splended idea yes

Well it's at least a good test to see if there are any Panda issue's when you remove the whole bunch and when you start to rank better for your main kw without content then you know you're doing something wrong.

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jeffkeysar 11 years ago

Nik0, are you saying exact anchor text or varied anchor text is better, or both?
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  Nik0, are you saying exact anchor text or varied anchor text is better, or both?
  
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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol, I accidentally overwrote my WP installation one time and lost all my content, it was an EMD as well that was slightly over optimized, there was content though and I had already build a few links and was ranking at #7.

However after my mistake and an empty WP installation my keyword moved up to #3

You got to love Panda

Funny enough it is now ranking at #1 for the EMD, just checked it a minute ago, hardly competition though but the site is still an empty WP.

No competiton, how about a PR6 inner page from a .gov.uk site with the exact keyphrase in their title and in their meta description and in their H1 tags, damn. Another reason why you should never stare blind at kw in title, url, h1 tag or whatever. Although this is quite exceptional as the PR6 gov page is about something totally different then the kw, it's about passports and other legal issue's, and has not a single anchor txt that slightly relates to the page title etc. In fact it's a FAQ kind of page! But the perfect example why back links with relevant anchor txt's are so insane important, it makes or breaks the rankings of your site.

You have to love Google

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colindres

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smodha

You have to love Google

Hey Friend
Do you think is possible this trick works for this keyword
hammock.vg there is a lot of competition on this keyword but do you think is possible?

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by colindres

Hey Friend
Do you think is possible this trick works for this keyword
hammock.vg there is a lot of competition on this keyword but do you think is possible?

Why don't you try it?

It's not really a trick. It's about minimizing the work load. I managed to rank on page #4 with zero work. Seriously, it took me like 15 minutes to build the site.

My point is, do the basics first and get your site indexed/ranked. Once it's ranked, add relevant content and start backlinking. By relevant I don't mean add 1000 word posts. I have sites ranking with 1 YouTube video, couple of sentences and 1 affiliate link. That's it. My high PR backlink strategy takes care of the rest.

I've seen so many marketers build sites with 1000s of words and it fails to index or rank. Rank first then 'build' the site. It's much simpler and kinder to your sanity!

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Digibite 11 years ago

its probably because google saw the site was "updated" and that made the "content" more "relevant"
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ProSence

11 years ago

So what trick did you do to get it on page 4?

If you didn't do backlinking and content creation?

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ProSence

So what trick did you do to get it on page 4?

If you didn't do backlinking and content creation?

No tricks. I used the steps in the original post.
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abdobasha2004

11 years ago

this is not right, when there are some Google updates, you can likely get low quality results on top and vice versa, I am sure this rank will change in few days even if you add additional backlinks !

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

I'd like to give an award consideration for silliest thread in the last 6 months that I have seen.

PAGE 4 ranking? not top 20 not top 10 but on page 4?
NO idea of what keyword? so no proof as to whether this represents any real money making term
2013 and a strategy based on buying EMDs?
States that based on a nameless keywordless anecdotal story that no one can confirm you should consider NOT putting up much content on your site.

I will say this - All you guys on here can make oodles of money because obviously those of you biting on this have found the purest grade of crack cocaine available to man to use.

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'd like to give an award consideration for silliest thread in the last 6 months that I have seen.

PAGE 4 ranking? not top 20 not top 10 but on page 4?
NO idea of what keyword? so no proof as to whether this represents any real money making term
2013 and a strategy based on buying EMDs?
States that based on a nameless keywordless anecdotal story that no one can confirm you should consider NOT putting up much content on your site.

I will say this - All you guys on here can make oodles of money because obviously those of you biting on this have found the purest grade of crack cocaine available to man to use.

Here we go. I knew it wouldn't take long for you to post a rant. Seems like that's all you do these days.

A page #4 ranking with zero work, an EMD, post Panda and Penguin, and no backlinks - I thought that would help eliminate the myths you read on this forum. If you had bothered to read the thread then you would have seen the keyword stats.

I have stopped building EMD sites in 2013 but I thought I would to counteract the crap you hear about Google "punishing" EMDs. That is nonsense and I have sites ranked page #1 and most are EMDs (pre and post Google updates and making money).

I will say that for longevity and if you want to build a legacy (saving you money in the long run) the authority model is definitely the way to go.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

The thing is, you can rank an EMD, and the rankings can last, my own site at #1 is an example of that with the empty WP.

HOWEVER

As soon as you start adding Adsense / Amazon or other affiliate links then Google treats your site completely different and then the EMD update for thin affiliate sites DOES kick in hard.

The proof is in the results, it's along time ago that I saw some crappy EMD site ranking at page 1.

Well actually I do see them still but they often belong to spammers who know what they are doing, and that is not just some SenukeX campaigns but a wide variety of links in massive amounts.

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

The thing is, you can rank an EMD, and the rankings can last, my own site at #1 is an example of that with the empty WP.

HOWEVER

As soon as you start adding Adsense / Amazon or other affiliate links then Google treats your site completely different and then the EMD update for thin affiliate sites DOES kick in hard.

The proof is in the results, it's along time ago that I saw some crappy EMD site ranking at page 1.

Well actually I do see them still but they often belong to spammers who know what they are doing, and that is not just some SenukeX campaigns but a wide variety of links in massive amounts.

Generally, most EMDs are short term (unless you target a very generic keyword). That's why I have moved onto authority sites. It's easier and much more cost effective in the long run. Plus, you are more immune to Google updates but even so, I haven't seen any of my EMDs slapped by Google. The ones that did were purely for testing where I used spammy linkwheel services on Fiverr and WF.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by smodha

Here we go. I knew it wouldn't take long for you to post a rant.

Well........I Always try not to disappoint

Seems like that's all you do these days

Beats the tar out of leading people astray though and yeah believe it or not my "rants" are almost always aimed at others leading people astray. Look SEO is not rocket science. What makes it really difficult is when people muddy the waters. so yeah over half the battle on this forum is questioning what muddies it up.

A page #4 ranking with zero work, an EMD, post Panda and Penguin, and no backlinks - I thought that would help eliminate the myths you read on this forum. If you had bothered to read the thread then you would have seen the keyword stats.

Read em...didn't matter....Who cares about keyword stats? How does anyone know its a competitive term? You are missing my point. Thousands of searches get done every day few people will monetize. How have you dispelled any myth? With a page 4 "ranking"? Really? You think On page SEO getting you to no higher than page 4 dispells myths? It doesn't even dispel the EMD myth since I have never seen anyone claim EMDs even that fell had to fall beyond page 4.

Meanwhile presenting what you did in the OP you promote another set myths so I must ask again

Really?

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Well........I Always try not to disappoint

Beats the tar out of leading people astray though and yeah believe it or not my "rants" are almost always aimed at others leading people astray. Look SEO is not rocket science. What makes it really difficult is when people muddy the waters. so yeah over half the battle on this forum is questioning what muddies it up.

Read em...didn't matter....Who cares about keyword stats? How does anyone know its a competitive term? You are missing my point. Thousands of searches get done every day few people will monetize. How have you dispelled any myth? With a page 4 "ranking"? Really? You think On page SEO getting you to no higher than page 4 dispells myths? It doesn't even dispel the EMD myth since I have never seen anyone claim EMDs even that fell had to fall beyond page 4.

Meanwhile presenting what you did in the OP you promote another set myths so I must ask again

Really?

Do a search on WF for EMDs slapped post Penguin/Panda. The hysteria took over for a few days (like it does every Google update).

UPDATE - My keyword is now ranked #3 in Google. After the initial page #4 indexing, the site is doing well with ~100 unique visitors/day and making money. All it took was another 250 word post (just pros/cons about the product), a YouTube video, 1 PR7 backlinklink that took 2 minutes to arrange, and some PR3s/PR4s from a private blog network.

I would say the entire process took less than 2 hours.

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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'd like to give an award consideration for silliest thread in the last 6 months that I have seen.

PAGE 4 ranking? not top 20 not top 10 but on page 4?
NO idea of what keyword? so no proof as to whether this represents any real money making term
2013 and a strategy based on buying EMDs?
States that based on a nameless keywordless anecdotal story that no one can confirm you should consider NOT putting up much content on your site.

I will say this - All you guys on here can make oodles of money because obviously those of you biting on this have found the purest grade of crack cocaine available to man to use.

lol I didn't want to pick on the poor guy, but glad somebody said it!

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thomasdevos

11 years ago

EMD is still very powful on low competitive niche.

one of my sites slowgif.com rank #1 with keyword slow gif.

but it get very little traffic every day, about 8-10 visitor per day from google.

what ever, it takes you only $10 to buy one domain name, still worthwhile.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by thomasdevos

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what ever, it takes you only $10 to buy one domain name, still worthwhile.

Worthwhile for what? bragging rights for ranking for a term no one wants? conversion on those 300 visits a month is 0 so whats the point?
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Lanx

11 years ago

you're just keyword stuff, nothing new, just a prime example of "thin" aff site with "stuff", it's on page 4, whoop
keep track of it for 7 days, check out the position, it'll prolly dance on day 3, and if there's no content and no backlinking done it'll dance the away.

just cuz you "get there" doesn't mean you stay there.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Does page #4 get more traffic than Supplemental SERPs?

[j/k]

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Danny Shaw

11 years ago

This one of the most crazy threads ever! People should know by now that any new website EMD or not gets a slight boost but drops away quickly without the right input. "What the point of having the biggest skyscraper in the world if it makes no money"

I did a similar thing and hit the first page just with the basic site, now with lots of good content and socially aware I get 500+ uniques a day. (2 moths old)

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Danny Shaw

This one of the most crazy threads ever! People should know by now that any new website EMD or not gets a slight boost but drops away quickly without the right input. "What the point of having the biggest skyscraper in the world if it makes no money"

I did a similar thing and hit the first page just with the basic site, now with lots of good content and socially aware I get 500+ uniques a day. (2 moths old)

This is exactly my point (seems to be lost in all the waffle). Start off with a skeleton site, get index/ranked then "build" your site. It's much easier these days. I see so many strategies that say you need to build 10 articles/day, guest post on PR3+ sites, backlink constantly for a month to build a link profile etc etc.

To reiterate the point, my site is ranked on page #4. I can easily get that to page #1 (top 3) with a YouTube video and some private blog backlinks. FYI, rank #1 might take a little more work because it's a PR5 authority site.

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C0DeZeR0

11 years ago

Just registerd EMD Domain now and will try ranking ..

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by C0DeZeR0

Just registerd EMD Domain now and will try ranking ..

see this is why people can rant about my rants all they want. certain posts and claims just lead people astray and that has real monetary consequences for real people.
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bcruan

11 years ago

This is a pointless thread. Anyone with half a brain would know that emd's are not gong to be punished by google. If that was the case sites such as Nike.com and even google itself would be punished for using their own brand name. It's clear emd's do not carry the sae power but anyone that thought they would be punished is an idiot

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normahl

11 years ago

Cool story dude. Best SEO Content
Seems like someone is reading source wave

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by normahl

Cool story dude. Best SEO Content
Seems like someone is reading source wave

Becker is one cool cat
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webby0031

11 years ago

Look, I regged around 30 EMD Domains when I was more of a newb. At least 10 of them appeared on the first 3 Pages of google for the EMD. And it was within days.. they had little content. Its called the honey moon period, it will dissapear soon for good until you get quality content on it. I agree with Mike .. silly thread

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smodha

11 years ago

Originally Posted by webby0031

Look, I regged around 30 EMD Domains when I was more of a newb. At least 10 of them appeared on the first 3 Pages of google for the EMD. And it was within days.. they had little content. Its called the honey moon period, it will dissapear soon for good until you get quality content on it. I agree with Mike .. silly thread

Honeymoon period? How cute. I think Google refers to it as QDF. See above.

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mrgoe

11 years ago

Ranking on page 4 doesn`t seem that hard, for me.. did it with the hello world post once.. so nothing interesting..

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

This thread was sponsored by Skittles, Waffle House, & Becker.

So now your #3 after everyone said page #4 wasn't going to do anything?

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smodha 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

This thread was sponsored by Skittles, Waffle House, & Becker.

So now your #3 after everyone said page #4 wasn't going to do anything?

I'm not expecting anyone to take my word for it. That's actually quite fine by me.

HOWEVER...it's not stopping anyone from testing this method for themselves.
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  Originally Posted by smodha
  
  I'm not expecting anyone to take my word for it. That's actually quite fine by me.
  
  Sure you are. Read your Op and your repsonses thats exactly what you are expecting. You've argued with everyone that wants some proof.
  
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MrDay

11 years ago

Congrats smodha, it sounds like you've got some easy cash flow going.

Emd's are quite powerful still if you know what you're doing.

You best start adding that content and SEO though, before them seo spies catches on and take you out.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MrDay

Emd's are quite powerful still if you know what you're doing.

People will never learn. EMDs are not powerful. They are as risky as can be if you try and put stock in them as having some great SEO power. One question

When has Google EVER made a change to the algo that they did not follow up with more changes? Why in the world would anybody think the emd update is going to buck the trend and be a one shot deal?

For goodness sake stop fooling the newbies (one poor guy in this thread already ran out and bought an EMD). This madness of trying to clutch to old dying strategies is just hurting people. This is the real reason as the Op states I go into "rants". I wouldn't care less if you guys didn't peddle this stuff to others. I'd say believe what you want - maybe find your keywords and outrank you since I know its easy pickings.

So some EMDs still rank (never was a penalty as much as taking away their strength)? What happens when there is another EMD update tweak? (could be any day now). Its like looking at Panda ignoring what Panda or Penguin is trying to do and pretending it won't continue because your site survived the last update but shouldn't have.

Good night You know how many people I know that lost 75% of their income or more relying on EMDs many of whom had to scramble for offline jobs to keep the light on? and now a few months pass by and people are trying to repackage it and resell it as a good strategy.
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  People will never learn. EMDs are not powerful. They are as risky as can be if you try and put stock in them as having some great SEO power.
  
  EMD's are more an indication of low competition than anything else. I don't think you get much of a boost these days with EMDs as you did last year. So on this, I agree with Michael.
  
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selcor

11 years ago

This is a solid method; i used it to get on page 1 and page 2 on 3 or 4 EMD blogs i created... i think I will use this strategy a couple times a week to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks... the sites that rank pretty well, i will develop further; those that don't, will try a little backlink love and see what happens...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by selcor

This is a solid method; i used it to get on page 1 and page 2 on 3 or 4 EMD blogs i created... i think I will use this strategy a couple times a week to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks... the sites that rank pretty well, i will develop further; those that don't, will try a little backlink love and see what happens...

The old throw crap against the fan and see what sticks tactic, eh?

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smodha

11 years ago

Blimey, is this thread still going?

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Lanx 11 years ago

Originally Posted by smodha

Blimey, is this thread still going?

your thread got a link from that case studyvertisement that's going on today.
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Originally Posted by smodha

Blimey, is this thread still going?

Just read the posts that you rank at #3 now and arranged a PR7 link in 2 minutes, could you perhaps teach me how you do that?
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Sheila Ross

11 years ago

A very interesting technique. After reading this thread, I became sure that there are still a lot of thing about Google which we are yet to know. Everyone explains SEO in their own way. Personally I also thought good contents plays the biggest role to get ranking.

Still I think good content is the key but there are something about Google ranking which is still unexplained. That kind of thing may have taken place in that content less site.

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normahl

11 years ago

"High quality Content"

People don't get that not the Content lets you rank but rather the consequences of good content which means:

Other sites naturally link your sites
Less Bounce rate
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There is no one sitting in the google office reading countless blogs and evaluating the content.

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