SEO Bullshit Decoded: We've Heard It Before

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Ever wonder what your SEO agency really means when they say those repetitive cliche phrases over and over? How about the ones like "We don't own Google and therefore can't guarantee success"?

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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Forget the article, I just like the pic:



    That about sums up 98% of this forum. The article was dead on though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      That about sums up 98% of this forum. The article was dead on though.
      Dude I know you are trying to act all cool and stuff but I am telling you just before you come looking for me. I think I know where you live but I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PICTURE. If they found you they did it all by their lonesome. Theres no window in the shot so its probably somebody you know that has visited your house. Think about that.......MIke had nothing to do with it. Cool? I would never make people know your avatar is fronting the wrong race for cool points.

      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      The entire SEO/IM industry is a lie,
      Entire? Everybody? Thats over the top. You been drinking some beer tonight this time?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        OP the post you link to has mostly good points (not all) but when you reach all the way to the end you realize its just a big tease and snake oil switching when you read

        "Discover an online cheatsheet guaranteed to make your phone ring in 7 days or less"

        Yeah uh-huh guaranteed eh? If you are going to criticize the hype you can't do it to switch to your own.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Be very suspect with any WF member who has an avatar of
        a "pretty girl" and a name to boot. I guarantee you that those
        people are men living in their mom's basement.

        If you believe anything those "women" say, or buy what
        they're peddling, you're a fool.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Be very suspect with any WF member who has an avatar of
          a "pretty girl" and a name to boot. I guarantee you that those
          people are men living in their mom's basement.
          Hey Paul I got a girl for you. If I introduce you you might even get a personalized video rebuttal made just for you. I got my own on DVD now. Cool beans.
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        • Profile picture of the author smodha
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Be very suspect with any WF member who has an avatar of
          a "pretty girl" and a name to boot. I guarantee you that those
          people are men living in their mom's basement.

          If you believe anything those "women" say, or buy what
          they're peddling, you're a fool.

          Paul
          There's one particular WF member who's spamming the boards with "4 years SEO experience" but asking questions about basic SEO....hmmmmm. He/she has a nice pretty picture too...
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      That about sums up 98% of this forum. The article was dead on though.
      I think many people here are mad myself. Completely and utterly disconnected from reality and planet earth. They are so short sighted and delusional, and surrounded by people all to happy to cater to that delusion that's it not even funny.

      Well actually, it is. Just checking out the Willie Crawford thread where he outlined he was looking for good products/software that have a high 6-figure, 7 figure earning potential.

      Alot of the responses that Willie was accosted with are comical and tragic at the same time.

      People offering up their $12 ebooks for some 3000 year mystical snake oil magic potion that cures cellulite and other cheap, moronic products, leading right up to a fitness site with not just a 7 figure earning potential, but 8 FIGURE (yes, 1 Billion) earning potential.

      I wouldn't say 99% are like that and full of it: delusional, clueless, detached from reality, adrift in their own fantasy land (there are a quite a few on Willie's level, and other who might get their one day and have their head screwed on) but I would put it in 90% range.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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    How about the initial fact that the majority of "agencies" are actually just one person sitting at home in front of their computer referring to himself as "we", "us", with stock photos of corporate professionals high fiving each other all over their website.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by lovboa View Post

      How about the initial fact that the majority of "agencies" are actually just one person sitting at home in front of their computer referring to himself as "we", "us".
      The entire SEO/IM industry is a lie, for some reason I'm just now realizing just how much. I mean I been on this forum for yrs, been called names by people, had conversations with people and don't even know if I'm talking to a women,man,white guy,black guy or a alien.

      If I don't even know who I'm talking to, why the hell would I pay you anything to provide services. Starting today if we don't skype or you don't at least have a fb page with pics, I'm not going bother talking. Not to say the showing face means your honest but damn at least let me see who stole my money or scam me lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        The entire SEO/IM industry is a lie, for some reason I'm just now realizing just how much.
        True. I was really disappointed the first few times I visited Flippa. There are countless SEO services sites where the business model is

        1. Receive order and payment from client
        2. Input order to cheap outsourcer
        3. Profit
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      • Profile picture of the author Velant
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        If I don't even know who I'm talking to, why the hell would I pay you anything to provide services. Starting today if we don't skype or you don't at least have a fb page with pics, I'm not going bother talking. Not to say the showing face means your honest but damn at least let me see who stole my money or scam me lol.
        Rightful irritation man, I can understand the frustration.
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      • Profile picture of the author Velant
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        The entire SEO/IM industry is a lie,
        That's an overexaggeration. You just have to be careful whom you trust and do your homework checking their credibility before selecting a provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    you can just feel the hatred the lead gen guys have towards indian seo'ers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Campbell24
    Rollmodl I am curious why you list a gingerbread house on your site with 0 searches. Are you guys doing PPC on this as well?

    But I like the site it looks pretty original.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rollmodl
      Originally Posted by bathunter View Post

      Rollmodl I am curious why you list a gingerbread house on your site with 0 searches. Are you guys doing PPC on this as well?

      But I like the site it looks pretty original.
      We try to be transparent with everything. That also means keywords that have 0 searches. This way we can explain to our clients just because you are on page 1 doesn't mean that they are getting traffic. A teachable lesson.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Rollmodl View Post

        We try to be transparent with everything. That also means keywords that have 0 searches. This way we can explain to our clients just because you are on page 1 doesn't mean that they are getting traffic. A teachable lesson.
        Still not much I have not seen on many SEO sites the OP criticizes and your car window tinting ranking unless I am missing the site is HIGHLY misleading.Maybe more than anything in that article

        I don't see you ranking for the term "car window tinting " at all. You are nowhere to be found. SO I presume again unless I am not seeing the site that you mean in the houston area but then you can't use the global searches as the real traffic. The page is not getting anywhere close to that exposure if it is only ranking in Houston

        I'd agree with about 90% of the article but its just wrong to me in some of the points and I'll bring up one that You and Nest brought up. Showing you references of sites a SEO has ranked. Why should they show you or Nest? Will you guarantee you will even do business with them after you get to see their resources?

        Sorry but for most people on WF I pass. I'll do that for real businesses that pay over a thousand a month and I know their time and focus is on their business not on SEO or IM. Giving out sites ranked to everybody who asked on WF would be positively the stupidest thing to do. Every time you show them you expose all your link resources, all your techniques and teach them for free how to do SEO. Reverse engineering is REAL in this business.

        It isn't SEO Bull Its SEO survival.

        Even if the links are lily whitehat you are only looking to have your whitehat link partners harrased by giving out your sites and they will figure out who exposed them. Shucks I don't and won't even give out link reports because WF members are notorious for paying a couple months not see ranking immediately and cutting and running like you failed because of their false expectation . I had one that wanted to rank in two weeks and demanded to see my network links. For a few hundred dollars and one payment you expect me to show you what I have spent thousands building? IF we are outside the 6 months window then yes but then for me I'll be handing over some resources with my guarantee

        Its precisely the people that give crappy links that are free to give link reports with no risk. They can just push a button on SenukeX and bam they have the links back.

        I'll have to agree with Yukon (and that hardly happens in the modern era). Thats a nice page for SEO haters but I can't see a real business looking for a professional being impressed. Truth is by a comment here and there I would be surprised if they didn't use spammy links since they think all SEO is black/grey hat. The article will be a big hit with many people here but seriously how many of them were ever going to hire a SEO when they think they can rank for free with SEO software and a couple of articles?
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I'd agree with about 90% of the article but its just wrong to me in some of the points and I'll bring up one that You and Nest brought up. Showing you references of sites a SEO has ranked. Why should they show you or Nest? Will you guarantee you will even do business with them after you get to see their resources?

          Sorry but for most people on WF I pass. I'll do that for real businesses that pay over a thousand a month and I know their time and focus is on their business not on SEO or IM. Giving out sites ranked to everybody who asked on WF would be positively the stupidest thing to do. Every time you show them you expose all your link resources, all your techniques and teach them for free how to do SEO. Reverse engineering is REAL in this business.

          It isn't SEO Bull Its SEO survival.
          Not only that, but as a customer would you want to get calls from prospects?
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  • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
    Haha. Love the post. I'm gonna share that one with my list.

    Try selling services after they get hit with a pitch from these guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaytav
    If you want to hire an SEO agency, its better that you look their previous record and the success they have achieved in ranking other website's This will give you a complete idea about their work and how helpful they could be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    That was a funny article. I liked the pic of the shoe store. "Buy one shoe get one free."

    What a deal!
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  • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
    That article was spot on, particularly all the accompanying images. A must-read for anyone hiring their first SEO "specialist".
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    • Profile picture of the author Lanx
      true any company spouting "guarantee'd #1 rankings" are pure trash and just make links worse than fiverr.
      all they do is spam until you're #1, hit the target and conclude the contract, then you google dance your way out of oblivion.
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  • So what exactly is the point of this thread? Are you basically saying everyone offering SEO services is a scam? Or maybe you got ripped off by someone selling SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The OP site/link is defiantly not meant for real business SEO services. No offline B&M business would take that serious If they even cared enough to read the flame page/s.

    Things like this random snippet from the Index page are posted by teenagers, not business professionals looking for clients:
    “Dude. Your offer sucks and your customers don’t care.”
    -Me

    “What do you mean?”
    -Other dude
    I guess it's all meant for friends (dudes?) & WF to read.
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    • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      The OP site/link is defiantly not meant for real business SEO services. No offline B&M business would take that serious If they even cared enough to read the flame page/s.

      Things like this random snippet from the Index page are posted by teenagers, not business professionals looking for clients:


      I guess it's all meant for friends (dudes?) & WF to read.

      Yeah because Frank Kern epitomizes "professional" and he barely sells anything. I mean people really hate senses of humor.
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  • Profile picture of the author weston2012
    After read this thread, I have a new experience of internet software using spamming by read that articles.

    Yes the event is true but your are on the wrong step of thousands of aliens work when I decide to call it SEO.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by weston2012 View Post

      Yes the event is true but your are on the wrong step of thousands of aliens work when I decide to call it SEO.
      As long as the mother ship doesn't return, the aliens won't bother you anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author shayman
    I was starting to get a bit bored with the WF...now I realize just how much I still love it!! This thread is awesome!!
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Ok funny stuff but am I the only one that honestly doesn't accept more than one client per niche per area? It says in the article that that is "snake oil" I would call that "business ethics". My clients pay good money to rank, small businesses with bills to pay. So I get my guy to #1 and the competition comes knocking and me: Sorry I can't help you. And yeah it sucks, money waving in my face and all but I gotta sleep at night. Because what's next? I don't tell my original client that I took on his competitor now that he doesn't need me (because I do everything in my power to avoid endless SEO costs for my clients). So I rank his competitor and then my original client calls me back, probably clueless: "I need your help again" I think that is wrong. I think that's the wrong way to do business. Bad karma.

    I hope the article meant it was wrong to say it and not do it. Or looking at it again maybe it's the high pressure sell they are condemning. I've never been a fan of that either. Most of my business now comes from referral but when I was starting out I would cold call folks on Google but only AFTER I did some research. I'd search for "maid service Nashville" or whatever then I'd look at the top 5. I'd see the guy in spot 3 was the real deal, experienced mom and pop business. He would be doing business the right way but was pushed down on the SERPs by spam SEOs in the top 2. So I'd call him "This is why I'd like to work with you..." And you know what? It worked. Not every time but often enough that I built a tidy little business off of those calls back then. Yay for ethics
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      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      Ok funny stuff but am I the only one that honestly doesn't accept more than one client per niche per area? It says in the article that that is "snake oil" I would call that "business ethics". My clients pay good money to rank, small businesses with bills to pay. So I get my guy to #1 and the competition comes knocking and me: Sorry I can't help you. And yeah it sucks, money waving in my face and all but I gotta sleep at night. Because what's next? I don't tell my original client that I took on his competitor now that he doesn't need me (because I do everything in my power to avoid endless SEO costs for my clients). So I rank his competitor and then my original client calls me back, probably clueless: "I need your help again" I think that is wrong. I think that's the wrong way to do business. Bad karma.

      I hope the article meant it was wrong to say it and not do it. Or looking at it again maybe it's the high pressure sell they are condemning. I've never been a fan of that either. Most of my business now comes from referral but when I was starting out I would cold call folks on Google but only AFTER I did some research. I'd search for "maid service Nashville" or whatever then I'd look at the top 5. I'd see the guy in spot 3 was the real deal, experienced mom and pop business. He would be doing business the right way but was pushed down on the SERPs by spam SEOs in the top 2. So I'd call him "This is why I'd like to work with you..." And you know what? It worked. Not every time but often enough that I built a tidy little business off of those calls back then. Yay for ethics

      I do the same thing. I do not take on two competing clients in the same town.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I get people asking not to do SEO for anyone in the same niche world wide lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    I think that at least 50% of the culpability is on the person buying the snake oil.

    Sure, there are plenty of scammy SEOs out there. But there are also plenty of gullible people willing to part with their money in exchange for "10,000 high PR Links!".

    If you take the time to learn SEO you'll be able to easily separate the scams from legit SEO providers.
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