Do exact match domains still matter?

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Do exact match domains still matter when it comes to SEO?
And if so, how much?

Also, if exact match domains are still relevant, do you think they will
matter in the future -- or do you think the search engines are
going to phase them out of their algorithms.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerMayer
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    Yes, recently there is a EMD update that might affect EMD domain if you over-optimize your site you will get penalized by EMD update. The best way is use non-EMD domain as for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpweber
    Originally Posted by James Liberty View Post

    Do exact match domains still matter when it comes to SEO?
    And if so, how much?

    Also, if exact match domains are still relevant, do you think they will
    matter in the future -- or do you think the search engines are
    going to phase them out of their algorithms.
    When you ask if EMD's "still matter", are you asking if it's good or bad to have 'em? Matty C says it all depends on the content. I just read this yesterday -- granted, it cites SEOMoz, so some many not trust it:
    Machiavellian SEO Doesn’t Work Anymore

    Just as in traditional journalism, content marketers should never seek to betray or deceive readers, whether through SEO practices or their content. Anything that borders on sneaky or unethical eventually gets filtered out of search engine results, if history is any indication.
    Manipulative techniques like 301'ing old sites, hordes of anchor text rich links, exact match domains, etc. are gone,” Fishkin says. “SEO today is holistic. It demands that you build signals real brands have that, in years past, could be artificially overwhelmed by large quantities of links or other tactics.”

    Well, it may be true regarding the idea that SEO has become a little more challenging in the post-Panda/Penguin era. But if you've been penalized by the EMD, there's very little evidence, imo, to support the idea that you can't 301 redirect old sites to new domains -- despite any admonitions to the contrary. If that was true, every domain that rebranded for complete honest intentions would be guilty of somehow deceiving their audience and that just isn't the case.



    In short, nobody really knows 100% for sure about how the EMD will continue, but we can speculate based on evidence so far. If your site has good content and useful information, you're not going to be penalized by G for having an EMD.

    And if you had an EMD that was hit, it's worth considering just 301'ing everything to your new domain. But if you haven't gotten hit, just make sure your site has some good content and you're doing your proper on-page and off-page SEO. Good content, SEO = no worries, imo.

    I just did a search for "Detroit Car Repair", and once you get past all of G's sponsored links and authority sites, the first to an actual car repair shop was dearbornautotech.com/ .... Dearborn being a neighbor, bordering Detroit ... "providing quality car care in Detroit/Dearborn, MI since 1996". Some WordPress site, and the domain was just put up in 2010, so it's not ranking high because it's some old, "trusted" domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamestyson
    If you don’t own a keyword domain or an EMD, that’s still okay.
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  • James,

    I thin EMD’s can still be a good component in an overall strategy but as jpweber points out, it depends on the content. The sites who were penalized that were using EMD’s were not knocked out of the SERP’s because they were using EMD’s but because they were using other questionable tactics and happened to also be using EMD’s as well.

    Here is an interesting post on SEOMoz about the topic,

    Are Exact-Match Domains (EMDs) in Decline? | SEOmoz

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  • Profile picture of the author C0DeZeR0
    matter become complicated ,,

    i so many sites Emd and still rank other down

    for my experience i have two New Emd domains and all in page 1 ..
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  • Profile picture of the author RimaNaj2011
    Obviously no one knows except Google but personally, despite any updates, SEO should not be the main source of traffic therefore you should have BRANDING as the #1 focus. So a brand name is what you want to have, no an EMD.
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  • Profile picture of the author rajnish
    Originally Posted by James Liberty View Post

    Do exact match domains still matter when it comes to SEO?
    And if so, how much?

    Also, if exact match domains are still relevant, do you think they will
    matter in the future -- or do you think the search engines are
    going to phase them out of their algorithms.
    Do you Notice A Website With Exact match Domain that posses Quality (After EMD only healthy sites) in design , Content , popularity are Ranked higher in searches ...
    May Future experiences Worst .. But right now from relevancy factors Exact match domains are placed good mark in search visibility ..
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  • Profile picture of the author neha12
    If you think your website can rank on the 1st page of Google only from your exact match domain.. It's not looking possible. It's still matter in SEO, But you must have to do quality work also, to get your website ranked on the 1st page of Google..
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSence
    EMD is still ranking like it was before, the thing you have to avoid is over-optimization, spam works, spam content, spam links etc.

    If you are doing quality work then you would get benefit of this, there is no doubt to it really.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopOfTheMornin
    I have one EMD site and it ranks Google page 1. It has quality content that has led to a lot of natural link growth too it. I'm a little lucky, because aside from setting the site up right, I have done very little external SEO for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenlc
      I used to have an EMD which got hit. I changed it to a brand name that does not have any keywords in the domain name and have been ranking pretty consistantly since (touch wood). One of the benefits I found with this is that people search for the brand quite a lot now which is even better because of the lack of competetion.

      I believe that EMD's still give you a slight advatage though but like a few people have mentioned it's more down to content and quality on the EMD site. One thing I have noticed is that there seem to be more internal website pages that seem to apear in the rankings which would partly be due to quality of the sites as a whole. Many EMD's are thin websites created just to try rank easily and are also thin on content.
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      • Profile picture of the author tcindia123
        Some how after EMD update, one of my website losses lots of traffic with the same domain name keywords which is dopped to page 3.
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  • Profile picture of the author wisdomoto
    I think EMD can be a wortwhile thing if you site is good quality otherwise and no spammy links, I really don't see how it can hurt if other things are taken care of
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    • Profile picture of the author ProSence
      Originally Posted by wisdomoto View Post

      I think EMD can be a wortwhile thing if you site is good quality otherwise and no spammy links, I really don't see how it can hurt if other things are taken care of
      Well, I'm seeing now some EMD sites are ranking good.. so it all depends on the quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoed
    if they matter or not we all know that Google puts more emphasis on brands from
    now on. why not build a brand instead of a boring keyword-domain? the ranking
    difference won't be so evident...
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  • Profile picture of the author surajramnani
    It does still matter but not as much as it did a few years back
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    EMD is not critical after the recents updates.
    To rank well, you not only need to take
    Considerations on SEO, you need to
    Take care of the traffic sources.

    Googles is concerned on the bounces rate,
    Unique visitors, frequency of traffic, etc..

    Please take efforts to tackle these factors
    Than EMD factor..
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Greene
    It is all about content when it comes to gain ranking. EMD's had a bit extra advantage but that advantage has been gone now. It does not mean that if you have a EMD, your will be penalized straight away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Greene
      Originally Posted by RogerMayer View Post

      No it still have a little ranking power, from what I read and learn from recent release and guides.
      Good to know about it. Actually, I have seen a lot of search results till today with EMD. There are so many hypes about EMD. Some people are really afraid of taking EMDs because they are confused by reading contradictory statements.
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    • Profile picture of the author maricar
      I agree the content is the most important thing today.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    OO yeah, exact match domain is the MOST important thing when you want to rank a website for a specific keyword, then title, description, H1 tags, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      OO yeah, exact match domain is the MOST important thing when you want to rank a website for a specific keyword, then title, description, H1 tags, etc.
      I don't know if you are a bot, but some of your responses are just silly.

      I guess wikipedia, ebay, okcupid, craigslist, zillow, amazon,
      ytahoo answers, go.com, zap2it, etc. are just SOL.

      Likewise the warriorforum.com...., digitalpoint, ...

      If you seriously think an EMD is the most important thing, then
      you are seriously mistaken.

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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        My dot com EMD is number one for its competetive keyword. My EMD.blogspot.com sits at number 2. I think the main factor in losing those EMD rankings is too much focus on the keyword--h1 tag matches the emd, h2, using the exact keword 20times in a 400 word article etc sets off red flags.
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        • Profile picture of the author shuvomunjuri
          I think so EMD is still matter.Normally think when you compete with a quality site which have quality content,also you have quality content then only for EMD you can get some advantage.
          But getting advantage of EMD be sure about your content quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo125
    I saw a video of Matt where he say Google is trying to give EMD an no EMD domains the same oportunity to have succes in the serp, but remember Google sero is based on the criteria of the people in charge so they can change their minds any day they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author harry123
    yes they are but you should have onpage SEO good then only it will works.
    thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    Yes, but you have to be very careful how you build backlinks to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author InitialEffort
    EMDs still matter and it can still rank but not like before. Prior to the update, EMDs worked like magic – Google gave a much boost even without having to build many quality links. The EMD update targeted the sites with low quality content. If you have an EMD, you could leave the homepage post uncategorized (WP permalink) to avoid URL keyword stuffing. Whether your domain is an EMD or not, keep in mind that the most important factor is still the overall domain strength wherein those who rank on the top got higher quality links. Even if a site is an EMD, what leads to a better site is the quality of links.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgefuller
    Yes this is the main reason why branded sites pushed down on the rankings.
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  • EMD's are still being shown in SEPRS..
    i have seen many emd's having no backlinks but still at top 10..
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    EMDs still give you a benefit, the EMD update targeted low-quality EMDs, so if you have a high quality EMD you'll still get an advantage..
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  • Profile picture of the author kdorothea
    EMDs are still very valuable. The secret to benefiting from them is to avoid anchor text spam. Let's say you own the domain keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com. If you will build links using the anchor text "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3" repeatedly, you will most certainly get yourself banned.

    Try to brand your EMD with a unique way and vary the link anchor texts as much as you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Van Gough
    My view is that the in the new Google world there is no advantage in having an EMD, and Google will penalise if you over optimise the keyword. However it has to be an advantage that prospective customers know what your site is about.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    EMDs still rank but like Mr Cutts said, "low quality" EMDs will be effected after the latest algo update.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sinistar
    If you can't get an EMD or don't want to, do you get SEO ranking benefits by using the keyword in your subfolder? EX: MainSite.com/keyword
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
      Originally Posted by Sinistar View Post

      If you can't get an EMD or don't want to, do you get SEO ranking benefits by using the keyword in your subfolder? EX: MainSite.com/keyword
      There's a benefit if the keyword is anywhere in your URL. I don't know if folder text count more than the page name though. I actually remove folders from the URL so that more characters in the page name show in search results.
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      • Profile picture of the author linkassistant
        No one will tell you for sure, I'm afraid. I believe if you're starting fresh and choosing between an EMD or a brand name, go for a brand.

        Even if you'll experience a ranking boost because you have keywords in your URL, you might be loosing at some other points:

        - your site might be hit by a next EMD update
        - you'll undermine your potential customers' loyalty.

        Let me explain the last point. When people see an EMD in search results, two things happen.

        First, Google users perceive EMDs as spam and don't trust them. If you look for an seo agency, which site will you trust more: dotsearch.com (just an example of a branded domain name) or local-seo-agency-houston-tx.net?

        Second, users tend to remember brand domain names better. Thus, chances are you'll get more direct traffic if you go for a brand: people will remember your URL and unconsciously type it into their browsers without a need to search for anything.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stabilo
          Originally Posted by linkassistant View Post


          First, Google users perceive EMDs as spam and don't trust them. If you look for an seo agency, which site will you trust more: dotsearch.com (just an example of a branded domain name) or local-seo-agency-houston-tx.net?

          Second, users tend to remember brand domain names better. Thus, chances are you'll get more direct traffic if you go for a brand: people will remember your URL and unconsciously type it into their browsers without a need to search for anything.
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          I agree with point 2 (e.g. Ebay.com rather than onlinebiddingandauctionwebsite.com) but on point 1 think you give MANY Google users too much credit for spotting spam.

          Many Google users will choose detroitdentist.com rather than daveandsonsdentistry.com if they search for a dentist in Detroit. Davea & Sons might not even be in Detroit.

          For me EMD still has value, not as much as it did and brands are the way to go for long term goals but MOST sites will never make it to the big time so EMD is currently my preference.

          About 10 years ago I bought myname.com thinking everyone would be searching for me by EMD, how wrong was I. As an aside myname.com does help when giving out email addresses on the phone / down the boozer. I have quite a short name so it is post@myname.com rather than post@reallylong-and-hyphenated-keywo...ord-phrase.com
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  • Profile picture of the author msharmjia
    I think this was the history in last update Google brought in their search engine algo..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
    I agree with Link Assistant!!! A brandable domain is always preferred. (now can I get dat buzzbundle with free algo updates!?!?!? ha ha )

    I don't think EMDs hurt at all. They just don't help as much as they use too, especially for thin sites. If your site is really about the EMD keywords, that is, if your shoes.com site is all about shoes, why on earth would Google penalize you.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    Don't get it twisted, you don't get "penalized" for having a EMD, you just might get outranked by someone who doesn't have the keyword in their domain name, moving you down a little bit. When you lose rank, it's not a penalization all the time, it could also mean your competitors are doing more then you are as far as SEO, or are considered "better quality" then your site now.
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  • Profile picture of the author amithak50
    There are rumors that it does not work but It still works pretty well.
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  • Profile picture of the author car4hires
    yes ,it does still matter but you need a quality content on yours website.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Affinity
    Definitely still matters! I have this site in one of my niches, which has less backlinks, lower PR score, newer domain name and not so keyword optimized site and still ranks better than mine... The only thing I noticed that it has better than mine is an EMD.
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  • Profile picture of the author clarkfaint
    I agree with IM Affinity. I recently did a launch jacking campaign where I had (productname.com) vs (productnamereviewbonus.com). (productname.com) crushed it with no links at all and stayed within the first 2 pages consistently for all my money terms. The non-EMD was down around the hundreds in all of my results even, with quality links. After I switched some of my links from the non-EMD site to the EMD site, even better rankings ensued. EMD's are still good and definitely give you a big leg up.
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  • Profile picture of the author clarkfaint
    EMDs still work great. I recently had one with no links easily outperform one with great high quality links. Once I switched over the links the EMD moved up even more. Get the dot com version of the EMD if available.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ripster
    EMDs are indeed considered when it comes to ranking for a particular keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clarity1
    Here's a conundrum for you SEO experts, any help and opinions would be much appreciated:

    We are a distributor for a brand name of a cleaning product fairly well known in the states but not here in the UK. We are going to build an ecommerce store and want SEO done for the product. We have been told to do the SEO based on the main store and the brand name and alternatively we have been approached by another SEO company who suggests buying some EMD's (such as worktopcleaner.co.uk) which would be searched in Google for what our product does and then build some quality 1-2 page micro sites with unique and interesting articles and pictures, blogs (even videos) and then link these EMD's to the main ecommerce store so when the visitor clicked on a product on the microsite it takes them to the main ecommerce store. I think to just build the ecommerce store and do the SEO just on the store would take months and cost a lot of money as nobody would be really searching for the band name. Or perhaps have the ecommerce store provider of the store and the SEO on that and have this other company work on the EMD micro sites and link them?
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  • Profile picture of the author trustedmarketer
    I've had people recommend EMD and others coming up with a branding domain like Zappos(dot) com. I'm trying out both methods and will monitor the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author AuthorityBuilder
    Originally Posted by James Liberty View Post

    Do exact match domains still matter when it comes to SEO?
    And if so, how much?

    Also, if exact match domains are still relevant, do you think they will
    matter in the future -- or do you think the search engines are
    going to phase them out of their algorithms.
    Exact Match domains doesn't matter anymore now. It's all an age of branding. The more branding you can create for yourself, the better off will you be.

    BTW, exact match domains doesn't hurt either if the site has really good content. Google has only put down sites with thin content that were of no use to the searchers.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShoppingSignals
    An exact match domain name will still win against the exact same site with a random domain name. It's just that now, Google gives less of a boost to EMDs than it used to. End of the day, the domain has keywords in it, and that is proven to still be effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Neale
    Yes they still work and usually quite well despite what Matt and the boys say.

    However my guess would be this will change in the future... but it's just a guess

    Originally Posted by James Liberty View Post

    Do exact match domains still matter when it comes to SEO?
    And if so, how much?

    Also, if exact match domains are still relevant, do you think they will
    matter in the future -- or do you think the search engines are
    going to phase them out of their algorithms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hogan Chua
    Yes, they do still are probably stronger than not emd. But overall, imo a good long term strategy is to build a business asset therefore you should really focus on building a brand. Think bigger than just a small-medium niche site.
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