Beware of C Class hosting

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www.cclassiphosting.com is a freaking joke. My sites are constantly down and now they suspeneded my account for non payment even though I am paid in full. I emailed them proof that I have paid in full for the 4 months I have used them and they still insist that I pay an additional month to get my sites turned back on. Funny thing is they require automatic payments though paypal and even though I gave them the transaction numbers for each months payments they do not admit they were wrong. So now Iam being blackmailed to pay an extra months hosting to get my service turned back on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
    Originally Posted by Dmreed4311 View Post

    www.cclassiphosting.com is a freaking joke. My sites are constantly down and now they suspeneded my account for non payment even though I am paid in full. I emailed them proof that I have paid in full for the 4 months I have used them and they still insist that I pay an additional month to get my sites turned back on. Funny thing is they require automatic payments though paypal and even though I gave them the transaction numbers for each months payments they do not admit they were wrong. So now Iam being blackmailed to pay an extra months hosting to get my service turned back on.
    I would advise that you take your backups to another provider. How many sites do you have hosted with them?
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  • how can he take backup, since his account has been suspended..

    backup is only possible once he gets his a/c unsuspended from the blackmailers..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by kilobytestechnologies View Post

      how can he take backup, since his account has been suspended..

      backup is only possible once he gets his a/c unsuspended from the blackmailers..
      A local backup...? ALWAYS keep local backups of your data... even if the hosting provider does backups, it's advised to keep local copies in the event the backups do not work correctly.

      You're advertising "web development" in your signature. As a "web developer", you should know this..
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      • Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

        A local backup...? ALWAYS keep local backups of your data... even if the hosting provider does backups, it's advised to keep local copies in the event the backups do not work correctly.

        You're advertising "web development" in your signature. As a "web developer", you should know this..
        This is just in case if he doesnt have the local backup..
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      • Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

        A local backup...? ALWAYS keep local backups of your data... even if the hosting provider does backups, it's advised to keep local copies in the event the backups do not work correctly.
        Any tips on how to keep local backups of a Joomla site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
          Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

          Any tips on how to keep local backups of a Joomla site.
          Sure, there are utilities in most control panels as well as backup utilities for specific frameworks. What hosting control panel do you use? cPanel has a built in back utility - the "full" backup is the best method and can easily be restored at any cPanel web host easily.

          Now, the downside is many of the larger web hosts tend to put limits on the amount of data you can backup because the servers are so jam-packed they can't handle to CPU spike of running a backup. In that case, I'd recommend keeping copies of all of your files and manually exporting your database(s) 1-2 times a week.
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        • Profile picture of the author squadron
          Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

          Any tips on how to keep local backups of a Joomla site.
          Yes:

          Step - 1. If you have standard cpanel hosting you can compress the root directory from file manager and then download the resulting zip file that contains all the files for the Joomla site.

          Step - 2. If you have standard cpanel hosting you can use the MYSQL Admin Export tool to export and download the database for your Joomla site.

          That's it. Takes about 5 minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Never go with "companies" who brand themselves as "C Class Hosting".

    Go with actual companies who are branded and known in the industry, such as Host The Name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      Never go with "companies" who brand themselves as "C Class Hosting".
      And always do your research on them first.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vilvop
        One has to use QUALITY C class hosting to get reliable SEO services.
        Say aseohosting is good at delivering multiple hosting and their rep is high and stainless.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
          Originally Posted by Vilvop View Post

          One has to use QUALITY C hosting to get reliable SEO services.
          What? :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            ROTFLMAO! Anyone with cclassiphosting.com, is just telling
            the world what they are!

            Will this c class ip hosting BS ever die? Nope. Too many
            BS peddlers.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              ROTFLMAO! Anyone with cclassiphosting.com, is just telling
              the world what they are!

              Will this c class ip hosting BS ever die? Nope. Too many
              BS peddlers.

              Paul

              Unfortunately it won't! The problem is in most cases the user actually doesn't know any better however, there's plenty of research out there. I still get a kick out of the whole A, B, C class lol. It's 2013, not 1990.

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            • Profile picture of the author Dmreed4311
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              ROTFLMAO! Anyone with cclassiphosting.com, is just telling
              the world what they are!

              Will this c class ip hosting BS ever die? Nope. Too many
              BS peddlers.

              Paul
              Please explain this to me, is having seperate ips not important for my blogs? what is the scam with claiming c class hosting? Sorry for my ignorance.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                Originally Posted by Dmreed4311 View Post

                Please explain this to me, is having seperate ips not important for my blogs? what is the scam with claiming c class hosting? Sorry for my ignorance.
                First, there's no such thing as classed IP's anymore. That stopped over a decade ago. There's no C class, A class etc etc. An IP is an IP.

                Second, while you might have 25 different IP's.....they all go back to the same place. IP addresses have nothing to do with SEO. Those who argue that they do, often are trying to game the search engines with fake, junk sites.

                EDIT: Your best bet is to find a solid hosting provider that can provide you with a good infrastructure, great features and good support that is reliable.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                  EDIT: Your best bet is to find a solid hosting provider that can provide you with a good infrastructure, great features and good support that is reliable.
                  Good luck trying to rank a site with links from 50 domains that are all hosted on the same IP.

                  FYI: My sites are till date hosted at 50 different shared hosting providers and that does work great to rank.

                  All on the same IP, no chance.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Good luck trying to rank a site with links from 50 domains that are all hosted on the same IP.

                    FYI: My sites are till date hosted at 50 different shared hosting providers and that does work great to rank.

                    All on the same IP, no chance.
                    Ok man. If you're the expert, then why are you here asking questions in the other threads? It honestly doesn't matter to me where your sites rank, I provided solid answers to the questions at hand. Proper SEO doesn't require you to use tons of different IP addresses to game the search engines to thinking your sites are something they aren't.

                    Tell your ideas to the billions of people who use regular old shared hosting.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                      Ok man. If you're the expert, then why are you here asking questions? It honestly doesn't matter to me where your sites rank, I provided solid answers to the questions at hand. Proper SEO doesn't require you to use tons of different IP addresses to game the search engines to thinking your sites are something they aren't.

                      Tell your ideas to the billions of people who use regular old shared hosting.
                      It seems more and more that you don't understand that we use these domains for link building purposes.

                      In case of money sites then yes you can put them all on the same host.

                      Why I asks questions? To gather information, so that I dont have to test every single hosting provider out there. Don't think that has anything to do with being an expert or not.

                      In case you did understand, good luck ranking anything competitive with links from just 5 domains / IP's, no matter if the domains in question are PR6 or PR7.

                      As you can see in my sig I offer a $99/monthly service, you think I spend dozens of hours per month for each single client to get links the natural way, with that budget? No indeed, so we have to game the search engines to achieve rankings. Even most of the professional SEO companies that charge their clients $1k+/month set up their own networks on different IP's / hosting plans.
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                  • Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Good luck trying to rank a site with links from 50 domains that are all hosted on the same IP.

                    FYI: My sites are till date hosted at 50 different shared hosting providers and that does work great to rank.

                    All on the same IP, no chance.
                    Doesn't that cost a bundle? What is the average cost per site?
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

                      Doesn't that cost a bundle? What is the average cost per site?
                      Around $80,- I think.
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                  • Profile picture of the author discustipated
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Good luck trying to rank a site with links from 50 domains that are all hosted on the same IP.

                    FYI: My sites are till date hosted at 50 different shared hosting providers and that does work great to rank.

                    All on the same IP, no chance.
                    That's what dedicated IP's are for. You should be able to purchase dedicated IP's from your hosting providers for like $2.00, or something like that.
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                    • Profile picture of the author coolseek
                      Originally Posted by discustipated View Post

                      That's what dedicated IP's are for. You should be able to purchase dedicated IP's from your hosting providers for like $2.00, or something like that.

                      True, but how many can you buy? You would have to explain to your Webhost provide why you need like 50 dedicated IPs. As the argument, there are not enough IPv4 remaining, so it is hard to get like 50 IPs
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by discustipated View Post

                      That's what dedicated IP's are for. You should be able to purchase dedicated IP's from your hosting providers for like $2.00, or something like that.
                      I do prefer different server locations but I understand that with many other hostings like reseller and a-class that's also not the case.

                      Nevertheless I try to cherrypick them and found 2 so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      Never go with "companies" who brand themselves as "C Class Hosting".

      Go with actual companies who are branded and known in the industry, such as Host The Name.
      HTN as a branded company i would rely on? Have you actually been a customer of theirs? Because if you are i don't know if you would seriously commit to saying that. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        HTN as a branded company i would rely on? Have you actually been a customer of theirs? Because if you are i don't know if you would seriously commit to saying that. :rolleyes:
        Sure, I'm a customer. I have 50 ip's with them, and one of my friends has over 100 ip's. Experience an issue once a month or so, but it's nothing major. The sites on there are within my network.

        I wouldn't recommend them for money sites, but for a network, sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    What did you expect from a Malaysia based company / hosting ?

    Really ....
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    My favorite thing is to see people with "class C" hosting and adsense on all the sites or watching them put Google Analytics on all the sites, etc. I've had 50 sites all on the same IP for YEARS with their own rankings. When will people learn that the blast 100,000 links at a site and automated spamming crap to social sites party is over? If your model is to get rankings for a couple of weeks and then disappear only to create new sites over and over again then this is for you. Otherwise, do it the right way.

    PS - And if you're building a link farm, blog network, etc., then you are creating a TON of work for yourself. Getting sites in your blog network ranked with authority is not as easy as it was 5 years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post


      PS - And if you're building a link farm, blog network, etc., then you are creating a TON of work for yourself. Getting sites in your blog network ranked with authority is not as easy as it was 5 years ago.
      Thats the thing, you're not ranking the sites in the blog network, they are used to rank other sites. And I'm not sure what reality you guys are living in, but placing your network on separate IPs is basic 101 stuff. :rolleyes: The problem is that it becomes such a pain in the @ss to manage so many different accounts accross different providers. Im in the same boat as nik0 on this one, if I could find a decent solution for this then it'd be well worth it to give it a try.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Thats the thing, you're not ranking the sites in the blog network, they are used to rank other sites. And I'm not sure what reality you guys are living in, but placing your network on separate IPs is basic 101 stuff. :rolleyes: The problem is that it becomes such a pain in the @ss to manage so many different accounts accross different providers. Im in the same boat as nik0 on this one, if I could find a decent solution for this then it'd be well worth it to give it a try.
        Actually we are in agreement regarding the effort involved. However, if your sites in the blog network have no value, no SEO, then those links will do nothing to rank the money sites. AND if you use that network to rank a bunch of sites that have GA or Adsense on them, do you really think that Google can't see what's going on?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post

          However, if your sites in the blog network have no value, no SEO, then those links will do nothing to rank the money sites
          LOL, really???

          That other comment about GA or Adsense also makes zero sense. You think Google crawlers are dependant on people having Adsense on their sites? Come on man...
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          You people are not living in reality. The internet runs on shared
          hosting. Why would google give a rip? Makes no sense. Never
          has, never will. Only host sellers give a rat's behind.

          If you are doing good things, no reason to hide. If you
          are doing bad things, STOP DOING BAD THINGS.

          A different IP will not help.

          The only reason you may have to use different hosts/ips,
          is if one goes down or gets banned. But, I have challenged
          anyone here to give me a reputable, name brand host that
          has been banned, or simply goes down all the time.

          People do not believe it when I say the WF is on shared
          hosting.

          If people would just STOP doing crap and trying to shmooze
          google.

          The big boys readily link their sites together. And they could
          care less whether it's same ip or not. This myth will never die
          as long as people try and link build the WRONG way.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            You people are not living in reality. The internet runs on shared
            hosting. Why would google give a rip? Makes no sense. Never
            has, never will. Only host sellers give a rat's behind.

            If you are doing good things, no reason to hide. If you
            are doing bad things, STOP DOING BAD THINGS.

            A different IP will not help.

            The only reason you may have to use different hosts/ips,
            is if one goes down or gets banned. But, I have challenged
            anyone here to give me a reputable, name brand host that
            has been banned, or simply goes down all the time.

            People do not believe it when I say the WF is on shared
            hosting.

            If people would just STOP doing crap and trying to shmooze
            google.

            Paul
            It's a never ending battle man. The same people boasting about all their different IP's now will be here in a couple days bitching that some google update kicked their sites down. It's not 1998 anymore even though some of the know-nothings are stuck in that mentality.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

              It's a never ending battle man. The same people boasting about all their different IP's now will be here in a couple days bitching that some google update kicked their sites down.
              If thats the way you want to run your business then so be it, but im willing to bet it'd be the other way around. A bunch of people complaining about how Google deindexed their blog network, all hosted on the same IP linking to the same site.

              And Paul I dont know what "big" boys you network with but the ones I know, and worked for at one point, are not hosting an entire network on the same IP. They'd probably be laughing at this thread right now if they even gave a sh*t enought to read it, let alone register an account.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                If thats the way you want to run your business then so be it, but im willing to bet it'd be the other way around.
                I wouldn't make King's claims bother me too much seeing as how he offers paid links for SEO while looking down his nose at those of us that use paid domains. His clients might be the people that get dinged.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Buying links is considered not done by Google, so you MUST hide your ass when selling links.

            How hard is that to understand???

            It's not like Google is saying, hey guys, it's all okay to buy links, we don't care LOL

            So all those crap comments about doing things the good way and not trying to game Google are complete nonsense. Every freaking SEO company on this planet is GAMING Google, no matter how much they charge.

            WAKE UP

            Don't agree? Have fun with PPC and media buys.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            DOING BAD THINGS.

            A different IP will not help.
            If you consider ranking a site by using high PR domains as a BAD THING, then different IP's are a MUST.

            This forum surprises me more from day to day. Even a long term member like you is ignoring the basics.

            Now if someone like CTRTheme would make such comments, then I just say: OK
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            • Profile picture of the author coolseek
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              If you consider ranking a site by using high PR domains as a BAD THING, then different IP's are a MUST.

              This forum surprises me more from day to day. Even a long term member like you is ignoring the basics.

              Now if someone like CTRTheme would make such comments, then I just say: OK

              Nik0, I think Paulgl is doing a good thing. If everyone have their own network, do you think you would still be in business?? You might be, but not as successful as you right now (I am assuming you are successful).
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by coolseek View Post

                Nik0, I think Paulgl is doing a good thing. If everyone have their own network, do you think you would still be in business?? You might be, but not as successful as you right now (I am assuming you are successful).
                I guess you got some point
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by coolseek View Post

                Nik0, I think Paulgl is doing a good thing. If everyone have their own network, do you think you would still be in business?? You might be, but not as successful as you right now (I am assuming you are successful).
                Give this man the post of the week award!

                He has shown us all the error of our ways. SO here is my new manifesto

                Getting links DOES NOT WORK for ranking - stop it!
                Buying High Pr links does not work it - how stupid can you be
                SEO networks NEVER EVER worked and do not now. Everyone who said BMR and other networks helped them were all LIARS.
                You should never ever buy any aged domains. Any kind. Get new ones. After four months get more new ones.Google likes new ones and they should have ZERO links because google HATES links

                Furthermore ranking on page 10 at position 100 is the BEST way to get traffic. Forget ranking on the first page. Number one? thats for losers. No one reads the first page. they all skip to page ten.

                Finally - put ALL your sites on one hosting account and server. ALL OF THEM
                Multiple hosting account is a ripoff. IF your server goes down and all your sites go offline Google will feel pity and make your site rank when they all come back online.

                oh and finally (for real this time) for good ness sake DON'T BUY high PR domains at auction and if you do ALWAYS stop bidding at $20 regardless of the PR or links it has.
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                • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                  Someone give this man a sticky post, under the condition that we add high pr scrapebox blasts to the list of most effective linkbuilding methods ever known to man.

                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Give this man the post of the week award!

                  He has shown us all the error of our ways. SO here is my new manifesto

                  Getting links DOES NOT WORK for ranking - stop it!
                  Buying High Pr links does not work it - how stupid can you be
                  SEO networks NEVER EVER worked and do not now. Everyone who said BMR and other networks helped them were all LIARS.
                  You should never ever buy any aged domains. Any kind. Get new ones. After four months get more new ones.Google likes new ones and they should have ZERO links because google HATES links

                  Furthermore ranking on page 10 at position 100 is the BEST way to get traffic. Forget ranking on the first page. Number one? thats for losers. No one reads the first page. they all skip to page ten.

                  Finally - put ALL your sites on one hosting account and server. ALL OF THEM
                  Multiple hosting account is a ripoff. IF your server goes down and all your sites go offline Google will feel pity and make your site rank when they all come back online.

                  oh and finally (for real this time) for good ness sake DON'T BUY high PR domains at auction and if you do ALWAYS stop bidding at $20 regardless of the PR or links it has.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                    Someone give this man a sticky post, under the condition that we add high pr scrapebox blasts to the list of most effective linkbuilding methods ever known to man.

                    Nope Xrumer FOR THE WIN. Aint nothing beat a 2 million forum profile blast. however you should always match the search count with forum profiles for niche serps. Google loves balance
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                    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Nope Xrumer FOR THE WIN. Aint nothing beat a 2 million forum profile blast. however you should always match the search count with forum profiles for niche serps. Google loves balance
                      lol You can't make this stuff up folks
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              If you consider ranking a site by using high PR domains as a BAD THING, then different IP's are a MUST.

              This forum surprises me more from day to day. Even a long term member like you is ignoring the basics.
              Theres no reason for surprise. Just last week Paul claimed in another thread that professional SEOs do not concern themselves with link building much

              King? Hey since theres more traffic in here than in the web section pretend you know SEO even though you ARE trying to rank your web hosting company but can't. Get some of that sig traffic

              Maybe you can give him some links Nik. IF he ranks then he can stop claiming he is the one web host on the planet that doesn't want to rank for web hosting which no one believes anyway.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Theres no reason for surprise. Just last week Paul claimed in another thread that professional SEOs do not concern themselves with link building much

                King? Hey since theres more traffic in here than in the web section pretend you know SEO even though you ARE trying to rank your web hosting company but can't. Get some of that sig traffic

                Maybe you can give him some links Nik. IF he ranks then he can stop claiming he is the one web host on the planet that doesn't want to rank for web hosting which no one believes anyway.
                He didn't want to rank for web hosting, he wanted to rank for "best web hosting" obvious and if I could be so kind to recover his site first as well.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  He didn't want to rank for web hosting, he wanted to rank for "best web hosting" obvious and if I could be so kind to recover his site first as well.
                  Good god, get over yourself. All the while posting with your signature for seo services and the others for building networks.

                  Mods, please feel free to disable my signature.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                    Good god, get over yourself. All the while posting with your signature for seo services and the others for building networks.

                    Mods, please feel free to disable my signature.
                    Lol, again you are acusing us of things you do yourself, you know damn well how to disable your signature if you wished to do so.

                    For me these signatures are the ultimate way to combine fun & work.

                    You know what I think? You don't want this thread to get burried as it keeps you and your sigs in the spot light. So from now on you can say what you want, I ain't posting here anymore. Lol where did I say that before
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


                      For me these signatures are the ultimate way to combine fun & work.
                      I have absolutely positively no idea what you are talking about. I don't make a dime from my sig
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  • Profile picture of the author apnavarun
    why dont people search reviews on google before using any hosting company. You should go with well know companys. I am using go daddy and I have never faced any problem with it
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  • Profile picture of the author Velant
    Originally Posted by Dmreed4311 View Post

    www.cclassiphosting.com is a freaking joke. My sites are constantly down and now they suspeneded my account for non payment even though I am paid in full. I emailed them proof that I have paid in full for the 4 months I have used them and they still insist that I pay an additional month to get my sites turned back on. Funny thing is they require automatic payments though paypal and even though I gave them the transaction numbers for each months payments they do not admit they were wrong. So now Iam being blackmailed to pay an extra months hosting to get my service turned back on.
    Thanks for the warning, I'll blacklist them!
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    It's refreshing to finally see people at WarriorForum realizing "class C" hosting is nonsense.

    All you need is a good host. Stablehost, for example.
    Or if you insist on "unlimited" space, Site5 or Arvixe .. not Hostgator and 50+ other EIG brands.
    That's it. Use a good host. It's that easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      All you need is a good host. Stablehost, for example.
      .
      There ya go. Put all your money sites on one server and then all your link resource sites on the same server linking back to the money sites on your same server and you will rank baby!!
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    • Profile picture of the author squadron
      Originally Posted by igl0w View Post

      never buy hosting from cheap and unknown sources..
      Cheap hosting has its place so long as you assume that one day the host will close shop and you will lose your web sites, (which is OK if you have backups and can restore them quickly).

      For a bit of IP diversity I sometimes buy cheap hosting on ebay. Half of it is crap and will close down in a few months, but the rest is great value.

      I have 20 private network sites hosted on an Indonesian server that costs me $5 per year for the 20 sites and they have been running for 3.5 years very happily. Just lucky I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    There's no such thing as an "A class" either. Again, invented nonsense.

    IPv4 is being depleted, so fat chance on getting them without justification. "SEO" is not it.
    RIPE is already exhausted.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      There's no such thing as an "A class" either. Again, invented nonsense.

      IPv4 is being depleted, so fat chance on getting them without justification. "SEO" is not it.
      RIPE is already exhausted.
      You bunch of nitpickers know exactly what I mean.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      There's no such thing as an "A class" either. Again, invented nonsense.
      Pure crap....Classes refer to the numeric in an IP address. You can't say there is no such thing as as a class while people use it to break down the parts of an ip. Thats utter nonsense. You or even all the hosts combined don't get to determine language. meanings are determined by usage.

      Plus I can't take you seriously at all in regard to hosting. Do you get paid to put companies on your list? My goodness

      You have Ninja Lion on your list of the best hosts and with absolutely NO RESERVATION WHATSOEVER

      That is the worse host on the planet.

      Their servers were more down than up and when they were up they were more overloaded than a diva's luggage on the back of an ant (and the servers were killed by the weight just like the ant). They never answered a support ticket. I don't mean they took long I mean THEY NEVER ANSWERED A SUPPORT TICKET.

      Their billing system worked like clockwork though so apparently they had one good server they put that on so they could bill clients every month for servers that were down. The only response I got to their service was from paypal when I cancelled my subscription and paypal verified the subscription was cancelled

      I have used scores of web hosts through the years and no host was worse than Ninja lion. That you have them on your list is a crime against humanity that should be put on trial in Prague or at the very least qualifies your web page to be locked up at Guantanamo. There service was so pitiful bad I refuse to this day to do business with their sister company Downtownhost (also on your list) because to me they created that company just to suck dollars out of cheap extra low quality hosting just to keep their main name clear of the stink.

      I'm not saying I don't like Ninja Lion. I am saying if Ninja Lion were a person and not a company I would not shed tears if Ninja were standing in front of Bin Laden when the seal team entered the room he was in. I might even push them in front ( but ahem what would I be doing there to begin with?). As far as the whole ninja kick a__ thing? - Ninja lion in terms of ninja anything was more like Chris Tucker in Rush Hour one before he met Lee and even Chris then would have slapped Ninja Lion's rear end around the block with his car radio while singing You Rock my World.

      and you put them on a list of best overall hosts? You know nothing about hosting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Pure crap....Classes refer to the numeric in an IP address. You can't say there is no such thing as as a class while people use it to break down the parts of an ip. Thats utter nonsense. You or even all the hosts combined don't get to determine language. meanings are determined by usage.
        You really are an idiot. I've provided networking documentation on what "classes" were in the early 1990's in plenty of threads multiple times regarding IP addressing.


        It's not used anymore and is irrelevant to ANYTHING. Period.

        It was never used "to break down the parts of an IP address", it was used to determine the number of hosts per network.

        You're correct, meanings are determined by usage, but when the usage is no longer, then it's meaningLESS.

        I still don't understand why you and a hand full of other so called, self proclaimed seo experts or gurus get so defensive when someone questions your shady tactics that worked over a decade ago. 90% of it is hear say junk from know-nothings. It's people like you that make people question legitimate specialists. I bet you "guarantee" first place on Google too right? :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

          I still don't understand why you and a hand full of other so called, self proclaimed seo experts or gurus get so defensive when someone questions your shady tactics that worked over a decade ago. 90% of it is hear say junk from know-nothings. It's people like you that make people question legitimate specialists. I bet you "guarantee" first place on Google too right? :rolleyes:
          Someone definitely needs to do a reality check here.

          And yes that one is you, cause you can't even understand that CLASS is a general word that is used for MANY things like Mike clearly explained. Maybe you should look it up in a dictionairy.

          Perhaps you should get that server out of your ass and learn to start thinking. LOL, what a dude are you, really!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            you think I spend dozens of hours per month for each single client to get links the natural way, with that budget? No indeed, so we have to game the search engines to achieve rankings.
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Someone definitely needs to do a reality check here.

            And yes that one is you, you can't even understand that CLASS is a general word that is used for MANY things like Mike clearly explained.

            LOOOOOOL, what a dude are you!
            Says the guy who on the first page admits you build junk sites to game the search engines because you can't do it the legitimate way. Please... :rolleyes:

            The same people are back complaining week after week that have followed some of the scum advice because their sites bounce all over the place from page 1 for a day then get kicked off. Sites providing good, relevant content that rank well don't move, unlike the other spammy networked sites.

            Class is irrelevant because it does not exist. Again, the only ones who use these terms are the companies that sell to the know-nothings. It is what it is.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

              Says the guy who on the first page admits you build junk sites to game the search engines because you can't do it the legitimate way. Please... :rolleyes:

              Class is irrelevant because it does not exist. Again, the only ones who use these terms are the companies that sell to the know-nothings. It is what it is.
              Every single SEO company on this planet is gaming Google by setting up private networks.

              You got a lot to learn boy!

              And what I do in my free time, with crappy Amazon sites is up to me.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Every single SEO company on this planet is gaming Google by setting up private networks.

                You got a lot to learn boy!

                And what I do in my free time, with crappy Amazon sites is up to me.
                Lol Ok. Again, tell that to the billions of people using regular old shared hosting. 90% of the companies you speak of are scam artists anyway; link spam, blog spam, forum spam, junk backlinks...you name it.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                  Lol Ok. Again, tell that to the billions of people using regular old shared hosting. 90% of the companies you speak of are scam artists anyway; link spam, blog spam, forum spam, junk backlinks...you name it.
                  Really? I talk about companies with private blog networks and you start to mention the WSO section and come up with blog comment links. OMG
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                  90% of the companies you speak of are scam artists anyway; link spam, blog spam, forum spam, junk backlinks...you name it.
                  Hey King? What about this one?

                  https://www.attracta.com/how-it-works.jsp

                  gives you links on the sites they build just to manipulate Google like this. Here lets use your very own sales copy as we link to their directory

                  Get Listed in the Powerful Attracta Directory

                  What's your cut for pimping their link spam?

                  Jig is up. Your secret is out.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Hey King? What about this one?

                    https://www.attracta.com/how-it-works.jsp

                    gives you links on the sites they build just to manipulate Google like this. Here lets use your very own sales copy as we link to their directory

                    Get Listed in the Powerful Attracta Directory

                    What's your cut for pimping their link spam?

                    Jig is up. Your secret is out.
                    As I mentioned, it lies dormant on our servers. I'll be the first one to tell you it's junk. "Maybe" the sitemap submit they have. A hand full of users have activated it.

                    Believe me, it's not something we promote other than just another point in the list. I didn't bother to put it on the new site being worked on either among some other features that are available.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    As for the Attracta, no one uses it, they reached out to us to add it to cPanel, I think maybe a handful of people have actually activated it.......Believe me, it's not something we promote other than just another point in the list.
                    Won't work King. You push it and you have an entire sales page on it

                    Attracta SEO Tools | ---LiquiLayer Technologies - Web Hosting & Solutions—LiquiLayer Technologies – Web Hosting & Solutions

                    This entire time you have been ranting over weeks and months against us "know nothings" with link spamming and techniques that dont work anymore and using link networks Google will penalize you have been offering -and lets face it with some kind of commission/income stream as incentive - a service participating in the same thing.

                    Also, my apologies on the name calling, it was out of line.
                    Accepted and mature. On that basis I withdraw any thought you are a kid as being inaccurate.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Won't work King. You push it and you have an entire sales page on it

                      Attracta SEO Tools | ---LiquiLayer Technologies - Web Hosting & Solutions--LiquiLayer Technologies - Web Hosting & Solutions

                      This entire time you have been ranting over weeks and months against us "know nothings" with link spamming and techniques that dont work anymore and using link networks Gppgle will penalize you have been offering -and lets face it with some kind of commission/income stream as incentive - a service participating in the same thing.
                      There is an incentive/commission, not 1 of the handful of people that have activated it, pay for it. In fact, since we transitioned to LiquiLayer, I don't believe our keys are active any longer. The service is still available, but it would be retail.

                      The fact that we have a page for it, nothing I can really say other than it's just their marketing material package they provided.


                      Accepted and mature. On that basis I withdraw any thought you are a kid as being inaccurate.
                      Thanks.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                        There is an incentive/commission, not 1 of the handful of people that have activated it, pay for it. In fact, since we transitioned to LiquiLayer, I don't believe our keys are active any longer. The service is still available, but it would be retail.
                        You know king though I am called a hard ass I am not going to rub it in deeper. I think we both know that given the kind of accusations and criticisms you have levelled in this and many threads at what we do that excuse really can't cover it but I'll leave it there.

                        I'll surprise you by saying I think its good business as a host offering SEO. Your thinking there is sound. I don't think many host optimize their base enough. so that is not the part that I object too
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                        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          I'll surprise you by saying I think its good business as a host offering SEO. Your thinking there is sound. I don't think many host optimize their base enough. so that is not the part that I object too
                          Maybe I'm not reading correctly, but I don't follow what you're saying here..
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Every single SEO company on this planet is gaming Google by setting up private networks.

                You got a lot to learn boy!
                Don't believe the rants Nik. this is what he pushes


                https://www.attracta.com/how-it-works.jsp

                Complete with bought links and a SEO service that will attempt to manipulate rankings by using sites in their own directory/network. the kind of link building he is claiming to be above here

                ROFL. You meet all kinds on WF. I'll give you that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

          You really are an idiot. I've provided networking documentation on what "classes" were in the early 1990's in plenty of threads multiple times regarding IP addressing.
          You are not an adult are you? Hosting allows for a lot of child hosts but thats not allowed here and if you are not an adult then you will have to leave.

          to be getting so emotional and stooping to name calling on this issue? Grow up. I won't put up with it by the way. You call any more names like a kid because people use expressions you think they shouldn't you will get reported

          NO ONE was referring to the 1990s. I was referring to the popular usage way beyond the 1990s as a way of identifying the parts of an IP
          address

          TO claim people do not use it that way is just babbling nonsense and my point is simple. Since everyone here recommends now entirely different hosts your objection to the term is just grand standing as if its the only thing in life you have to feel important on. Its verbage. Here this is how people bring it up and EVERYONE here knows what is being referred to

          Search Engine Watch Forums* - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)
          What makes a class C IP address a "class C" IP address? Domain Names forum at WebmasterWorld
          What is C Class IP and its importance in SEO? | Submitedge Blog - Search Engine Optimization Blog - SEO


          Does not matter ONE LICK that it used to be used in 1990s in networking. We are referring to how it is used NOW by people whether in hosting or not. You can argue that you don't like how the term is used but its silly to claim it isn't.


          It was never used "to break down the parts of an IP address", it was used to determine the number of hosts per network.
          ROFL.... You don't even know how it is used. Here

          Class C IP block Google News Archive forum at WebmasterWorld
          http://www.subnetonline.com/pages/tu...ip-classes.php

          So much for the idea that no one ever used it to break down parts of an IP address.

          Now whose the idiot? It doesn't matter a Lick how it is used as a technical setup for networking. People use it to refer to IPs they get back from their web hosts and the tendency to get different numbers in the fist three divisions of A,B and C as they order services on different servers and in different locales. Don't bother with the blithering nonsense about that not always being the case. No one said it was but the reason you will convince no one who has used multiple hosts is because as a tendency IT DOES HOLD.

          Your constant rants on this come across as nothing more than "look mama I knows somethings about the internets so now I am going to correct everybody's vocabulary". boring. I have been recommending different hosts in different datacenters for over a year now. What else is new so the rants have no relevance


          I still don't understand why you and a hand full of other so called, self proclaimed seo experts or gurus get so defensive when someone questions your shady tactics that worked over a decade ago.
          Shady tactics? LOL who promotes this PAID link directory to their clients

          https://www.attracta.com/directory/

          Is that whats got you upset? People might skip on one of your "Features"? and get better links on their own networks on better hosting than you can provide? LOL. Since buying links is shady why do you give that service to people who BUY your webhosting. Hypocritical much?


          90% of it is hear say junk from know-nothings.
          agreed and you have cemented yourself among the 90% of know nothings to most of the regulars here

          P.S. want me to rank your site or still claiming you don't want to rank for the keywords you purposefully put in your title? :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Shady tactics? LOL who promotes this PAID link directory to their clients

            https://www.attracta.com/directory/

            Is that whats got you upset? People might skip on one of your "Features"? and get better links on their own networks on better hosting than you can provide? LOL. Since buying links is shady why do you give that service to people who BUY your webhosting. Hypocritical much?

            agreed and you have cemented yourself among the 90% of know nothings to most of the regulars here

            P.S. want me to rank your site or still claiming you don't want to rank for the keywords you purposefully put in your title? :rolleyes:
            Lol, you are way sharper then me and made total toast of him, can't wait to read his response cause no matter what he says. You outed him completely.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Lol, you are way sharper then me and made total toast of him, can't wait to read his response cause no matter what he says. You outed him completely.
              No one "outed" me. It's a feature that can be integrated with cPanel. The company reaches out to almost every web host out there. Sure, we've got a page up for it & it's there...maybe a handful of people use it. It sits dormant on older servers.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                No one "outed" me. It's a feature that can be integrated with cPanel. The company reaches out to almost every web host out there. Sure, we've got a page up for it & it's there...maybe a handful of people use it. It sits dormant on older servers.
                He outed you on 4 fronts:

                1: promoting services that you are against

                2: there are way many more people who use the word class to indicate a part of the IP, then the comparibly few hosting company people

                3: your frustration that you aren't able to rank your site for anything meaningful (what a coincedence I just got a PM from someone asking me to rank him for a kw high related to your niche. Asking exactly the questions what a guy like you would ask.

                4: your frustration about the few hostings that you sell as everyone buys the cheaper ones

                And no, I ain't gonna recover your site and get it at page one for $99/month. Forget it!
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                • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  He outed you on 4 fronts:

                  1: promoting services that you are against

                  2: there are way many more people who use the word class to indicate a part of the IP, then the comparibly few hosting company people

                  3: your frustration that you aren't able to rank your site for anything meaningful (what a coincedence I just got a PM from someone asking me to rank him for a kw high related to your niche. Asking exactly the questions what a guy like you would ask.

                  4: your frustration about the few hostings that you sell as everyone buys the cheaper ones
                  Sorry, like I said, it's a dormant service that is barely used. Whether you believe me of not, I could honestly care less.

                  Questions I'd ask? What questions have I asked you? Nothing.

                  Lol, frustrated with people not buying from my company? To be honest, those looking for cheap pennies on the dollar service aren't who we service. Offers here and there, sure. MY lowest plan starts at a few under 10 bucks/mo. Quality, not quantity.

                  Aside from some keywords on our site, which, mind you, is content about what we offer, not junk stuffed throughout the pages. The title keywords Mike Anthony refers to, yes, I'll admit I'm too lazy to remove the duplicate title tags from the site. It won't be that way with our new site.

                  I've leveled with Mike Anthony a few times on different issues, but it seems that you're just jumping on the wagon repeating what he has already said and has been addressed.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                    Sorry, like I said, it's a dormant service that is barely used. Whether you believe me of not, I could honestly care less.

                    Questions I'd ask? What questions have I asked you? Nothing.

                    Lol, frustrated with people not buying from my company? To be honest, those looking for cheap pennies on the dollar service aren't who we service. Offers here and there, sure. MY lowest plan starts at a few under 10 bucks/mo. Quality, not quantity.

                    Aside from some keywords on our site, which, mind you, is content about what we offer, not junk stuffed throughout the pages. The title keywords Mike Anthony refers to, yes, I'll admit I'm too lazy to remove the duplicate title tags from the site. It won't be that way with our new site.

                    I've leveled with Mike Anthony a few times on different issues, but it seems that you're just jumping on the wagon repeating what he has already said and has been addressed.
                    Just reminding you of how much you made a fool out of yourself.

                    Btw, blaming me of repeating stuff? You repeat the same tech stuff at least 5 times here lol.

                    I bet this thread is going to rank for "A-class does not exist"

                    ps: I know for 99.9% sure you digged up an old user account (which isn't allowed at this forum afaik but whatever), the account didn't post since 3 years and now all of a sudden it starts to PM me, LOL.

                    What a coincedence!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You are not an adult are you? Hosting allows for a lot of child hosts but thats not allowed here and if you are not an adult then you will have to leave.

            to be getting so emotional and stooping to name calling on this issue? Grow up. I won't put up with it by the way. You call any more names like a kid because people use expressions you think they shouldn't you will get reported

            NO ONE was referring to the 1990s. I was referring to the popular usage way beyond the 1990s as a way of identifying the parts of an IP
            address

            TO claim people do not use it that way is just babbling nonsense and my point is simple. Since everyone here recommends now entirely different hosts your objection to the term is just grand standing as if its the only thing in life you have to feel important on. Its verbage. Here this is how people bring it up and EVERYONE here knows what is being referred to

            Search Engine Watch Forums* - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)
            What makes a class C IP address a "class C" IP address? Domain Names forum at WebmasterWorld
            What is C Class IP and its importance in SEO? | Submitedge Blog - Search Engine Optimization Blog - SEO


            Does not matter ONE LICK that it used to be used in 1990s in networking. We are referring to how it is used NOW by people whether in hosting or not. You can argue that you don't like how the term is used but its silly to claim it isn't.




            ROFL.... You don't even know how it is used. Here

            Class C IP block Google News Archive forum at WebmasterWorld
            SubnetOnline.com - Step 2: Old-school IP Classes

            So much for the idea that no one ever used it to break down parts of an IP address.

            Now whose the idiot? It doesn't matter a Lick how it is used as a technical setup for networking. People use it to refer to IPs they get back from their web hosts and the tendency to get different numbers in the fist three divisions of A,B and C as they order services on different servers and in different locales. Don't bother with the blithering nonsense about that not always being the case. No one said it was but the reason you will convince no one who has used multiple hosts is because as a tendency IT DOES HOLD.

            Your constant rants on this come across as nothing more than "look mama I knows somethings about the internets so now I am going to correct everybody's vocabulary". boring. I have been recommending different hosts in different datacenters for over a year now. What else is new so the rants have no relevance

            Shady tactics? LOL who promotes this PAID link directory to their clients

            https://www.attracta.com/directory/

            Is that whats got you upset? People might skip on one of your "Features"? and get better links on their own networks on better hosting than you can provide? LOL. Since buying links is shady why do you give that service to people who BUY your webhosting. Hypocritical much?


            agreed and you have cemented yourself among the 90% of know nothings to most of the regulars here

            P.S. want me to rank your site or still claiming you don't want to rank for the keywords you purposefully put in your title? :rolleyes:
            You know, I will level with you. The terminology does get crossed between us as web hosts/network admins/systems admins etc and SEO.

            On the other hand, classful routing ceased to exist after 1993, so I will stay to my point that there is no A class - C class. What's the difference between A class hosting and C class hosting? Nothing, nothing but hype on these unique IP addresses that are 90% of the time all bound to the same server.

            Yours & Nik0's comments about different locations etc, yes, I will agree with you there.

            As for the Attracta, no one uses it, they reached out to us to add it to cPanel, I think maybe a handful of people have actually activated it.

            I have said quite a few times, in other threads we've argued in to use multiple web hosts. I've also said that these multiple IP packages tend to attract bad attention. The problem is, people looking for it don't want to pay extra money to use different web hosts..most, not all. If these linked sites are so huge and getting all these good rankings $100/mo or so in shared hosting spread out shouldn't be a problem.

            Those links you showed showing things like this:

            just to clarify:
            aaa.bbb.ccc.123

            is not in the same class c ip as

            aaa.bbb.cdd.342
            -----------------------------

            It's completely incorrect. That is not how IP addressing "used" to be classed. It's simply not.

            This comment below is a correct statement:

            In simple terms this means that the IP address starts with those numbers; i.e. 192.0.0.1, 192.0.0.2 etc. all the way till 223.255.255.255 are all categorized as Class C address.
            The purpose of the classes what to distribute the address space to organizations based on their size, with class A going to very large ones, class B to medium and class C to small ones. That no longer applies today.
            This is 100% correct. Key words however "old school". It's not used anymore.

            Also, my apologies on the name calling, it was out of line.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Pfff only more of the technical blablabla that he repeated at least a handful of times in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    - There's no such thing as a "C class".
    - People that work with the tech know this is nonsense and stupid.
    - Only self-proclaimed "marketing experts" use this stupid invented term. (Note: No college marketing experience.)
    - We had classes of networks pre-CIDR. But the third octet is still not what it meant.
    - IP addresses have zero effect on search engines. Two words why: shared hosting.

    // change topics //

    - Ninja Lion is fine. When I used NL, it had 100% for 11 months. The 12th months was just a few minutes of downtime. The only thing that was a bit slow was support, but that has since been rectified (and why I now rank them, whereas I used to not).
    - The same people that don't understand hosting (i.e. "C class") tend to be the same ones that try to overload a server by having too many WordPress plugins, too many domains under a single account, etc. Therefore such criticism is negated.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      - IP addresses have zero effect on search engines. Two words why: shared hosting.
      See this is why you should just stay out of it in the first place. This is bad advice for someone looking to setup a blog network. Im really surprised that this is coming from somone who's been around a while.

      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      - The same people that don't understand hosting (i.e. "C class") tend to be the same ones that try to overload a server by having too many WordPress plugins, too many domains under a single account, etc. Therefore such criticism is negated.
      What? Do you have some statistical machine that knows what people do and don't understand? If you do then I have an Empire State building that I would trade you for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        See this is why you should just stay out of it in the first place. This is bad advice for someone looking to setup a blog network. Im really surprised that this is coming from somone who's been around a while.



        What? Do you have some statistical machine that knows what people do and don't understand? If you do then I have an Empire State building that I would trade you for it.
        His response indeed shows he has no clue. Why? cause he comes up with the word "shared hosting" which means that he thinks if many sites are on the same IP that those sites will rank poor. But that go's beyond the whole topic of what we are talking about.

        We don't talk about money sites, sure I can place 100 money sites on a shared hosting and rank them all. But I can not place 100 private network sites on the same shared hosting and expect to rank another site with it (without leaving a huge footprint).

        That's the whole point he is missing lol.

        Those hosting people still think that we think that if we put a site on SEO hosting that it will magically rank better then using any kind of hosting, LOL.

        lol just read Mike's post, using the same "magical" wording, oh well some people need to read twice before they understand it anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          wait hold on a minute guys......

          My spider sense is tingling......

          when I read

          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          Sploggers have no ethics. All they want are the
          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          affiliate dollars!

          I find those sites vulgar and unethical. Affiliate-driven lists are a cancer on the Internet, and to communication in general. In fact, that's why the FTC has been more involved in blogging since 2009, to combat this nuisance.
          ah yes. here is the disclaimer down the bottom in lighter text

          "Disclaimer: If one of our suggested hosts has an affiliate program, great, we join it.If one of our suggested hosts has an affiliate program, great, we join it, and the funds are used to support the costs of maintaining this site. If not, oh well, good is good, and they still get our suggestion."

          The problem? Not a single top web host on this list in the top two categories I checked is missing a hidden redirect to an affiliate link. Its no different than any other "affiliate driven list that "are a cancer on the internet"

          I don't know what it is but theres something about this class C IP issue that just brings out a whole lot of hypocrisy in people self righteously cursing the very darkness they are involved in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      - There's no such thing as a "C class".
      Blew that to smithereens already. Read the thread

      People that work with the tech know this is nonsense and stupid.
      - Only self-proclaimed "marketing experts" use this stupid invented term. (Note: No college marketing experience.)
      College degree owner right here. Now thats nonsense and stupid. Pretending to know who on an online forum has a college degree and who doesn't

      - IP addresses have zero effect on search engines. Two words why: shared hosting.
      Yes multiple sites linking to you has no effect on SEO. All hail to Kp media.. IF you had a lick of reading comprehension you would know that not a single soul here believes the IP of your money site has anything to do with anything and no one here believes IP addresses have any magical SEO power. You are clueless


      - The same people that don't understand hosting (i.e. "C class") tend to be the same ones that try to overload a server by having too many WordPress plugins, too many domains under a single account, etc. Therefore such criticism is negated.
      Epic fail. There are close to 200 hundred people who have taken my course on building a network and they will all tell you I don't use ANY plugins on my wordpress sites and have said for network sites there is no big benefit to using them

      as for my critique of your poor abilities in rating a host like NinjaLion highly being negated. LOL....This must be the day for blowing up nonsense easily with just raw facts. No your recommendation list is just pure crap and garbage. Ten minute search for Ninja Lion reviews on WHT confirms many of the exact things I have said about that crappy host.

      Ninjalion Missing In Action - Web Hosting Talk

      Downtownhost: After the downtime, now its time to pretend - Web Hosting Talk

      What is going on with downtownhost + ninjalion right now ? - Web Hosting Talk

      Ninjalion Downtown Hosting Review - Web Hosting Talk

      Ninja Lion Issues - anyone got CEO email? - Web Hosting Talk

      NinjaLion. Some problems. - Web Hosting Talk

      Ninja lion review. 1 month or so....Bad Review - Web Hosting Talk

      Ummmm want more than WHT....Okay

      https://forums.digitalpoint.com/thre...-days.2470138/

      Ninjalion Missing In Action - WebHosting Most

      http://charlottegodley.co.uk/wp/?tag=ninjalion

      http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/archi.../t-283199.html

      In short your ability to rate hosts sucks and no one should follow your recommendations
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    You can deny things all you want, but those are the facts.
    (1) There's no such things as network classes.
    (2) That search engines give no positive weight to IP addresses.

    Say what you mean, too. "Blog networks" means you're trying to trick search engines. Sorry, but that doesn't really work. You'd have the same effect if they were all on the same IP.

    Consider actually reading the threads regarding Ninjalion, not just skimming Google SERPs. Many turned out to be the client's fault. Add "reading" to the list of things people believing in "classes" don't do. You'll see I participated in many, often not in their favor, recommending other hosts. The one that was bad was a datacenter issue last year. But it still did not effect all clients. Technically, that was not their fault, but they have moved datacenters since then. It didn't help that Jorge had his iPad stolen while out of town, which compounded the problems.

    My hosting list isn't biased by payouts, and some have no payouts. Redirects != affiliate links.

    I see that WF is still populated by a bunch of immature people that believe in myths. Sad to see this stuff is still going on in 2013.

    he comes up with the word "shared hosting" which means that he thinks if many sites are on the same IP that those sites will rank poor.
    I said no such thing.

    The IP address is unrelated to SEO, ranking, "money" sites, etc. It's a protocol, nothing more. It's not some magic fairy dust that you sprinkle on a site to magically make it rank better.

    Again, some of you need to read, not skim.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      Consider actually reading the threads regarding Ninjalion, not just skimming Google SERPs. Many turned out to be the client's fault.
      Of course, it's always the clients fault. Maybe if they designed their service a bit better the client wouldn't make so many mistakes in the first place.

      Ever thought about that?

      And sure a different IP won't give extra weight, it's all about avoiding foot prints, gee that I even HAVE to explain that, it's almost like going back to kinder garten.

      Besides that, number of referring IP's definitely make a HUGE difference in ranking sites.

      Let's put a little example:

      - 1 link from a PR4 domain or
      - 10 links from 10 domains that each have 1 link from that PR4 domain that we used above

      Which site you think would rank better, the single link, or the link from the 10 PR2 domains (as that is what the PR4 produced).,

      Or a different example:

      - 1 PR4 link or
      - 1 PR3 link and 100 other PR n/a links from different referring IP's and site setups

      Again the single PR3 link beats it all over, while in fact all the other 100 links are PR n/a and thus have zero value. But even zero PR links have value cause it's not only about PR but also about the amount of sites that are ranking to you.

      Most people use that as an excuse to start to spam the whole web with softwares but Google obvious ain't that stupid when they see all of your links from crappy sites.

      Many tests have proven that my SEO service is way more effective when we include:

      - 10 web2.0 links
      - 10-25 video links (most aren't hyperlink btw but it's good to have a mention)
      - 10-20 infographic links
      - 25 social bookmarks
      - top 5 free press release sites
      - 30 or so local listings / citations
      - top 5 pdf/doc sharing sites

      That way you only get links from high authority sites and that makes it look somewhat natural when you sprinkle in the high PR links.

      So once again: Why do these PR n/a links have any influence? Cause they are all on different referring IP's and GEO locations. It's all about VOTES from totally different places and the only way to make sure that a place is "different" is by having it on a , yeah you probably guess it if you paid attention: DIFFERENT IP


      Besides that, this is my last post in this thread as I'm spending way to much time on educating people like you. Hopefully there are others who read it and that think like "hey, that actually makes a lot of sense".

      ps: I learned nothing new in this whole thread, oh yeah the scientific meaning of a class of an IP, like that would help a single bit.
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      • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Which site you think would rank better, the single link, or the link from the 10 PR2 domains (as that is what the PR4 produced).,
        - The PR would be the same.
        - PR isn't how Google ranks sites anyway. It hasn't been for quite a while. It's merely a vector.
        - IPs have no influence on rank.

        my SEO service
        The only ones that claim "classes" work are the ones selling something.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          - The PR would be the same.
          - PR isn't how Google ranks sites anyway. It hasn't been for quite a while. It's merely a vector.
          - IPs have no influence on rank.

          The only ones that claim "classes" work are the ones selling something.
          Good way to avoid a question!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          - PR isn't how Google ranks sites anyway. It hasn't been for quite a while. It's merely a vector.
          Oh good night . Please leave and stop junking up the SEO section with utter nonsense. Nik0 SPECIFICALLY cited the the PR of incoming links NOT the PR of the money site. Anyone claiming that high PR links do not affect how Google ranks sites is a SEO novice and has not ONE CLUE about what he is talking about. There are other sections where you might have proficiency to instruct on something but the SEO section is not one of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      You can deny things all you want, but those are the facts.
      (1) There's no such things as network classes.
      (2) That search engines give no positive weight to IP addresses.
      A) If you read worth a lick as I said before you would know that number 2 is NOT why they are used
      B) No one here believes you work for Google and we know you are fudging by saying you know how they identify separate "votes". Its been the experience of many people here that having links on separate, servers, geo locations and IPs does have an effect. That is how it is practiced today

      So either way you are clueless on the issue. Like King you just assume you know why people use them, read a little about networking, figure it will boost your ego to tell eveyone else how they use particular phrases is wrong and then assume and assume when its you that are wrong and too stubborn to admit it.

      Say what you mean, too. "Blog networks" means you're trying to trick search engines. Sorry, but that doesn't really work.
      More garbage I have refuted many times. Large corporations use sister sites all the time and no they are not synonymous with "blog networks". They do NOT have to be blogs. Learn at lest the basics. Trick? My sites - I do what I like on them Just like big corporations use their sister sites and still get alot of Google love. Tricking would be doing something like ...um... telling people affiliate driven hosting lists are the scourge of the internet and then doing redirects to hide affiliate links then pretending you would pick hosts that don't have affiliate offers in your top two lists but don't do so even once.

      Consider actually reading the threads regarding Ninjalion, not just skimming Google SERPs. Many turned out to be the client's fault.
      Of course its the clients's fault that they open a ticket and no one ever answers - EVER - for something so time sensitive as hosting. Did you even read the links or are you just too upset that your strictly money making site masquerading as an objective unbiased list has been exposed?

      The one that was bad was a datacenter issue last year. But it still did not effect all clients
      Pure LIES. The complaints I listed are stretched out over a year and half not one event "last year". We get it. They pay you just like all the other sites you blast for getting paid to suggest hosts - only many of them are more above board in admitting it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      It didn't help that Jorge had his iPad stolen while out of town, which compounded the problems.
      Did the dog eat the hosts homework too? :rolleyes: You are fibbing anyway like I said it was far more than one incident and "Jorge" "Jedito" whoever must have relocated not been out of town because in about two months of waiting my tickets were never answered and what a shocker in the links I provided MULTIPLE people mention getting no response. But we hear you. You must be right. the company that pays you to suggest them must be right - its the clients fault the host didn't answer. Apparently there is a WP plugin that blocks some top quality hosts from answering tickets. Who knew?

      My hosting list isn't biased by payouts, and some have no payouts. Redirects != affiliate links.

      I see that WF is still populated by a bunch of immature people that believe in myths. Sad to see this stuff is still going on in 2013.
      Yeah it is. People claiming not to be motivated by dollars and then all of their top hosts are affiliate linked is something that should not be going on in 2013. Every adult kows that getting paid by a company is a form of bias and yes you definitely think people here are stupid and your arrogance has you making all kinds of claims of more stupdity but that doesn;t make them immature - it makes you immature . Really think I am just saying because I saw redirects that that alone = affiliate. No Einstein. Take a look

      Redirect Checker

      Know what is done at this site? Take a guess

      Anyone can do a check on your top two lists and see the affiliate links you are redirecting too. Didn't know that could be done? I DID do that and I SAW the affiliate links not just redirects. Ninjalion is a dog of a host anyone ignoring all the complaints against it and goes ahead with it its on them but its inclusion in your list along with the fact you get paid on all of the recommendations I see in your top list means both Ninjalion and your list should be avoided completely.

      Again, some of you need to read, not skim.
      Oh the irony. ROFL
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    • Profile picture of the author coolseek
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      You can deny things all you want, but those are the facts.
      (1) There's no such things as network classes.
      (2) That search engines give no positive weight to IP addresses.
      1. There is are still network classes. Read Classless Inter-Domain Routing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The reason for classless is to slow the exhaustion of IPv4 ips. For instance, harvard.edu has this block 128.103.0.0/16 (class B). That means that harvard has 2^16 = 65536 IPs.
      The question is, does harvard up to 65536 computers in the campus. I believe it is possible because harvard has a lot of students and they probably have smart phones and tablet.
      Some small organizations have the same block of IPs like harvard, that means that the organization is not using all the available IPs allocated to them. This means that the unused IPs are a waste. This waste made the IP allocation body to stop allocating blocks of IPs, so if you want an IP address, you can be assigned anything, this means classless.

      2. If search engine disregards unique IPs, then someone would rank for any keyword by just using only blogspot. The person would create a 1000 blogspot blogs, and link to his website. Or why don't you buy 300 domains, install them on your webhost, and rank for any keyword you want?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by coolseek View Post

        1. There is are still network classes. Read Classless Inter-Domain Routing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The reason for classless is to slow the exhaustion of IPv4 ips. For instance, harvard.edu has this block 128.103.0.0/16 (class B). That means that harvard has 2^16 = 65536 IPs.
        The question is, does harvard up to 65536 computers in the campus. I believe it is possible because harvard has a lot of students and they probably have smart phones and tablet.
        Some small organizations have the same block of IPs like harvard, that means that the organization is not using all the available IPs allocated to them. This means that the unused IPs are a waste. This waste made the IP allocation body to stop allocating blocks of IPs, so if you want an IP address, you can be assigned anything, this means classless.

        2. If search engine disregards unique IPs, then someone would rank for any keyword by just using only blogspot. The person would create a 1000 blogspot blogs, and link to his website. Or why don't you buy 300 domains, install them on your webhost, and rank for any keyword you want?
        What? Read the second sentence of the documentation you quoted where it states classfull routing was replaced in 1993 with CIDR blocks.

        Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

        Lol, IP classing is in 101 common sense, and taught (or limited) by your ability to comprehend things.

        AAA.XXX.XXX.XXX
        BBB.BBB.XXX.XXX
        CCC.CCC.CCC.XXX
        DDD.DDD.DDD.DDD

        ^This is not true. It seems you're inability to comprehend is pretty clear. Basically, your method above says that a what would have been classed a a C block, would only contain 3 octets. Networks were previously classed on the "first" octet, not others. Classes were replaced with RFC 1518 and RFC 1519.

        My quotes above are not related to anything regarding seo or the link between IP addressing & seo - they are the facts on how IP addressing & networking work.
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        • Profile picture of the author tech84
          Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

          What? Read the second sentence of the documentation you quoted where it states classfull routing was replaced in 1993 with CIDR blocks.



          ^This is not true. It seems you're inability to comprehend is pretty clear. Basically, your method above says that a what would have been classed a a C block, would only contain 3 octets. Networks were previously classed on the "first" octet, not others. Classes were replaced with RFC 1518 and RFC 1519.

          My quotes above are not related to anything regarding seo or the link between IP addressing & seo - they are the facts on how IP addressing & networking work.

          errrrrr...... i'm not gonna even go down this crap...

          too much stupidity being passed around, as much as I would like to argue, I would give this argument to you. Make sense since the world is full of idiots who think they know better yet they are dwelling in the pits.

          I guess this is natural selection doing it's thing.



          Good luck.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
            Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

            you can always shut up and stop this nonsense though
            So can you & everyone else continuing to comment. Maybe you should go back and read the first few posts of this thread and see how it escalated form where I questioned someone else's comment to "always use quality c class hosting to get good seo"

            It then escalated from there regarding terminology, what's fact, what is not & what's speculation. A few came in to clarify how IP addresses "used" to be classed which was completely incorrect, including yours.

            Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

            errrrrr...... i'm not gonna even go down this crap...

            too much stupidity being passed around, as much as I would like to argue, I would give this argument to you. Make sense since the world is full of idiots who think they know better yet they are dwelling in the pits.

            I guess this is natural selection doing it's thing.

            Good luck.
            Good luck on what? What exactly is your point here? Aside from anything relating to SEO, my last comments were strictly on IP addressing, sub-netting & networking. Your breakdown of a bunch of AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD means what exactly?

            How is anything in this thread stupidity? Just because someone doesn't agree with what you say it's stupid? It's not, I don't agree with everything Mike Anthony or Nik0 says, but hey, they are entitled to their opinions and experiences on the matter as am I.

            At the end of the day, it's a forum for discussions. Every member that has posted in this thread has the right to post, whether it turns into an argument or not.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post


              Good luck on what? What exactly is your point here? Aside from anything relating to SEO, my last comments were strictly on IP addressing, sub-netting & networking. Your breakdown of a bunch of AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD means what exactly?
              Look, you can label it bananas and peanuts for all I care, the concept remains the same. We want to host our networks from multiple ip's and preferably multiple regions as well. Noone gives a rats @ss about the techie definition. I see you in d@m near every network hosting thread whining about how someone "incorrectly" used a class name. Just let it go.

              Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

              At the end of the day, it's a forum for discussions.
              No, it's a forum for Adsense/PPC/SEO discussion. I think you're in the wrong place, you should be over at tech world or something idk. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                Look, you can label it bananas and peanuts for all I care, the concept remains the same. We want to host our networks from multiple ip's and preferably multiple regions as well. Noone gives a rats @ss about the techie definition. I see you in d@m near every network hosting thread whining about how someone "incorrectly" used a class name. Just let it go.



                No, it's a forum for Adsense/PPC/SEO discussion. I think you're in the wrong place, you should be over at tech world or something idk. :rolleyes:
                Ok, and.... The thread has nothing to do with "adsense/PPC/SEO" at all. Host all of your sites on different IP's, I don't care what you do. The problem is, there's too much bs being fed to newcomers and no one knows any better. The other problem is, you can claim one thing but CANNOT compare the two side by side. The se's change daily as do rankings of your sites and the ones linking to them, so it's pure speculation.

                I'm not in the wrong place. I've paid my membership fee's and countless listing fee's etc etc. Until you become a moderator, there's nothing you can do about where I post and what I reply to.

                You know, Mike Anthony, I do have some respect for him, he actually keeps up his end of an argument/discussion, you and the couple others seem to pop up after he's already commented like some kind of groupies.

                Maybe the mods should move the thread since it's a "complaint review" and not related to Adsense/PPC/SEO. Just like I told the last poster, go back and read the entire thread to see where it escalated from.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  King why are you still even in this thread flagging the same old argument even after everything you have said in criticizing what others are doing has been confirmed to be something you yourself are involved in ?

                  Really what is it with you and this subject? You complain about others popping up but its you popping back in. Sorry but They have every right to be upset with you. You blasted them for MONTHS about trying to game the system and we found out in this very thread you offer services that do the very same thing.

                  I told you I would lay off you for doing that and I meant it but seriously here you are again in the thread like nothing ever happened. Like you never got caught in your own duplicity.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    King why are you still even in this thread flagging the same old argument even after everything you have said in criticizing what others are doing has been confirmed to be something you yourself are involved in ?

                    Really what is it with you and this subject? You complain about others popping up but its you popping back in. Sorry but They have every right to be upset with you. You blasted them for MONTHS about trying to game the system and we found out in this very thread you offer services that do the very same thing.

                    I told you I would lay off you for doing that and I meant it but seriously here you are again in the thread like nothing ever happened. Like you never got caught in your own duplicity.
                    Popping back in about what? To respond to those who quoted something I said? Notice the guy posting before me tonight didn't have the b@lls to leave his comments & went back & edited it.

                    I don't offer a service for anything, it's integrated with cPanel like I mentioned that the company reaches out to pretty much every web host. I told you myself it's junk service.

                    What argument did I flag? Correcting someone providing incorrect information? Guilty as charged. Someone else came is telling the OP to only use" quality class c", then it escalated from there when the OP questioned paulgl about his comments and the IP/c class whatever being complete bs.

                    So, since I've been contributing information, whether you and the other seo "guru's" feel it threatens what you sell, I could care less & will continue to address other things that are brought up.

                    Now, both of paulgl's comments were basically identical to what's been said almost every time...I don't know, maybe since he's got more posts than all of ya's, you don't bother trying.

                    Like I said, it still amazes me that when someone questions the shady tactics used, you guys flip and go nuts.

                    Nik0: Don't agree? Have fun with PPC and media buys.

                    IMSince2003: Actually, I use these sources of traffic.

                    Nik0: Yeah that's obvious for someone who doesn't understand that Google can do without Adsense to crawl the web. If such basic knowlegde is already to much then don't even think about starting with SEO.
                    Now, what his comments among yours as well said is: Oh, you don't agree with what I said? Well then, you're a moron and don't know anything. We know it all.


                    In this thread as well as others, both you an Nik0's attitudes towards what others say when it comes to anything is almost like you two are the best SEO's to ever walk the earth.

                    And don't say it, I know, we have Attracta installed. :rolleyes:

                    Between you, Nik0 & this Dennis09, I don't know who gets more defensive. It seems to me that you guys are very insecure about the services you offer, perform or are so called experts of. I'm not the one who flies off the handle each time with d1ckish replies to anyone who questions the methods being used. My mistake, one time I did name call.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                      Notice the guy posting before me tonight didn't have the b@lls to leave his comments.........whether you and the other seo "guru's" feel it threatens what you sell, I could care less........ Between you, Nik0 & this Dennis09, I don't know who gets more defensive. It seems to me that you guys are very insecure about the services you offer, perform or are so called experts of...... I'm not the one who flies off the handle each time with d1ckish replies .........one time I did name call.
                      Yes we are so happy you are never the one to fly off the handle with calling people for having no Balls being D**kish or idiots. You are so reasonable and unemotional :rolleyes:
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                      In this thread as well as others, both you an Nik0's attitudes towards what others say when it comes to anything is almost like you two are the best SEO's to ever walk the earth.
                      You know, when I look at all the other SEO services that are offered at this forum then I do feel myself superior to the rest, but at the same time I'm also fair enough, when someone makes a comment about a specific something that he doesn't like about my service then I simply say: You can not expect the whole world for $99/month, simple as that.

                      Small example: Someone said, why you use only 2 unique articles for those 10 web2.0's in your month 1? Answer: cause 10 unique articles cost $50,- and we also have costs for all the other links so impossible for $99/month.

                      Last thing: Why we appear as groupie's to you who come after Mike made his comment. You really have to ask that question? Here the answer: Cause you keep repeating the same stuff a 100 times while at the same time ignoring all the critics which are 100% legit. You really think I want to keep on discussing with such person? Maybe someone can help you cause it seems you have some serious issue's.
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                • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                  Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                  The problem is, there's too much bs being fed to newcomers and no one knows any better. The other problem is, you can claim one thing but CANNOT compare the two side by side. The se's change daily as do rankings of your sites and the ones linking to them, so it's pure speculation.
                  Wrong. It's blatantly obvious that you do not know much, if anything at all about SEO. If you did, you'd know that you don't setup an entire blog network on one IP. You really think it's just pure speculation? Is that a joke? :rolleyes: We're not the one's spewing BS, you are the one here throwing unnecessary hissy fits over "class a" this and "class c" that. I've seen you completely derail some of nik0s other threads as well and it's time to just let it go. This will just confuse a lot of the new SEOs here.

                  This is an SEO forum, so it follows that most of us here are involved in ranking websites (in a nutshell).

                  Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                  You know, Mike Anthony, I do have some respect for him, he actually keeps up his end of an argument/discussion, you and the couple others seem to pop up after he's already commented like some kind of groupies.
                  Groupies, wtf? lol You ever stop and consider that you could just be wrong? And making a complete fool of yourself in the process? I don't have time to browse around and compile a research paper to respond to you. I'm actually doing SEO everyday and not just sitting around talking about it. Thank God there are other competent people around though. I think you should learn how to take a loss and let this miserable thread die already.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post


                    Groupies, wtf? lol You ever stop and consider that you could just be wrong?

                    Don't worry about it man. King and a few others have this intimidation thing going on because he sees alot of thanks and swears I (and nik)hold out ourselves as "gurus". Also apparently some people have never watched Jerry MacGuire so they SWEAR going and coming that "Quan of SEO" means MASTER of SEO .
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                    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Don't worry about it man. King and a few others have this intimidation thing going on because he sees alot of thanks and swears I (and nik)hold out ourselves as "gurus".
                      Thing is, it's not really intimidating at all. Quite entertaining really. Reminds me of what happens when you feed a horrible troll.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                        Thing is, it's not really intimidating at all. Quite entertaining really. Reminds me of what happens when you feed a horrible troll.
                        Not trying to be intimidating. Talk about trolls, you guys keep switching this argument up about this & that and KPmedia's list of hosts now...who's the trolls?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Don't worry about it man. King and a few others have this intimidation thing going on because he sees alot of thanks and swears I (and nik)hold out ourselves as "gurus". Also apparently some people have never watched Jerry MacGuire so they SWEAR going and coming that "Quan of SEO" means MASTER of SEO .
                      No, you seem to think that you're the king sh!t here when you're not. Your d!ckish comments towards anyone that questions you or doesn't agree with you speaks for itself.

                      Yet, you 2 are the ones who keep it going while bitching we come back. I stopped posting what, 2 days ago until you guys group together and come back running your mouths...please..
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

                        No, you seem to think that you're the king sh!t here when you're not. Your d!ckish comments towards anyone that questions you or doesn't agree with you speaks for itself. .

                        Can't even be bothered with responding to your anymore since you are obviously just ticked your being involved in the same thing you have been accusing others of has been exposed. Just will say you need to stop with your cursing and trying to circumvent the .language filter.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
                    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

                    Wrong. It's blatantly obvious that you do not know much, if anything at all about SEO. If you did, you'd know that you don't setup an entire blog network on one IP. You really think it's just pure speculation? Is that a joke? :rolleyes: We're not the one's spewing BS, you are the one here throwing unnecessary hissy fits over "class a" this and "class c" that. I've seen you completely derail some of nik0s other threads as well and it's time to just let it go. This will just confuse a lot of the new SEOs here.

                    This is an SEO forum, so it follows that most of us here are involved in ranking websites (in a nutshell).



                    Groupies, wtf? lol You ever stop and consider that you could just be wrong? And making a complete fool of yourself in the process? I don't have time to browse around and compile a research paper to respond to you. I'm actually doing SEO everyday and not just sitting around talking about it. Thank God there are other competent people around though. I think you should learn how to take a loss and let this miserable thread die already.
                    Please tell me what other threads I have completely derailed that wer'rent having complete bs posted in them?

                    Sorry, like I told the other clown, I could care less what you have to say. And here we are, just like clockwork you're posting bitching and complaining that I post too much. Get a life man. I'm sure Nik0 will be here shortly after.

                    Consider that I could be wrong? No, because I've provided you clowns with the documentation time and time again. But since this is just like religion, it's your way or no way. Not everyone has to agree with what YOU think.
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    Lol, IP classing is in 101 common sense, and taught (or limited) by your ability to comprehend things.

    AAA.XXX.XXX.XXX
    BBB.BBB.XXX.XXX
    CCC.CCC.CCC.XXX
    DDD.DDD.DDD.DDD


    Although IPv6 is better, it is still in the process of being adapted as most traffic in the internet uses IPv4

    Why C-Class hosting bad for SEO is still debatable

    one is that because of the similarity of the IP address of the sites and would create a big footprint, especially if the sites in question is a link wheel feeding your money site.


    in a C-class hosting situation, the sites would have something like this:
    site1.com = 192.168.1.112
    site3.com = 192.168.1.223
    site3.com = 192.168.1.312
    site4.com = 192.168.1.423

    especially obvious when manually checked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

      in a C-class hosting situation, the sites would have something like this:
      site1.com = 192.168.1.112
      site3.com = 192.168.1.223
      site3.com = 192.168.1.312
      site4.com = 192.168.1.423

      especially obvious when manually checked.

      Class C hosting services would not deliver it like that. they would make sure to NOT deliver it like that but yes the whole point was to not make things look extra obvious. People like KPmedia pretend that people who talk about Class C hosting believe there is some magical power in Ip addresses. Complete nonsense. They were always used for the purpose of manual reviews only now almost everyone involved in networks recommends using entirely different servers and even different locations. So the whole debate has no practical application (I guess for those still using SEO hosts but more experienced people no longer do for entirely different reasons) except for a few people who jump up every time someone uses the phrase with "oooh , oooh I can get to try and show how smart I am in this thread" and argue with the still popular phrase usage.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    Do any of you actually read the links you post? Because there are no "classes" of IP addresses, and haven't been in 20 years. There was no exhaustion 20 years ago when this was done.

    We can go on and on, but the facts are not on your side. What's happening here is a lack of knowledge, combined with some logical fallacy, leading to the creation of myths. It's no different than claiming the sun god is angry because its hot.

    It's amazing how people believe stuff that has been accurate in years. Decades, even.
    - classes of domains
    - PageRank importance

    I'm amused when people think being paid even a penny must mean you're biased. But when you rank without regard to pay, that's what it is. The fact that they do pay commissions is immaterial. The amounts are immaterial. It's not like the fake "top 10" sites that rank based on payouts. Most of the best hosts pay a whopping $20-25. Unlike Elmer Fudd, I don't think I'll be buying a mansion and a yacht anytime soon. I'm just trying to help folks find non-crap hosts.
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    This is not a matter for debate

    this is a matter of you reaching the limits of your ability to comprehend a reality that is already in front of you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

      This is not a matter for debate

      this is a matter of you reaching the limits of your ability to comprehend a reality that is already in front of you.
      LOL yes thats exactly where we have come to. He can't comprehend what the real issues are so he continues to pretend the issues he has in his head are what are being discussed. That and the fact that precisely like Elmer Fudd he has not one clue about SEO and continues to insist that PR even as it pertains to links has no relevance FROM DECADES AGO (ROFL).

      Ya hear that you all. KPmedia has spoken - High PR Links do not matter in SEO.

      I'm amused when people think being paid even a penny must mean you're biased. But when you rank without regard to pay, that's what it is.
      Strawman... Its simple really. When you include a lousy host in a list where you get paid for every single suggestion (and your top two lists do...I couldn't bother going further) then your entire list is suspect and to be avoided.....and please if you want to claim rationality make sensible arguments. Claiming that you don't make big money in no way lets you off the hook. No one has any idea what you make jsut as you have little idea about what every other host list does. Profitability is not a matter of payout per account but quantity of accounts referred as well.


      Bottom line is if you accuse every other host list of suggesting only for the dollars and then suggest host that only pay out dollars you are either making unfounded accusations of all other lists or being a hypocrite.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    At the end of the day, there's still no such thing as "C class" (A,B,C,D) IP addresses.
    IP addresses still have no bearing on search results.
    These days, PR and inbound links have limitations, too; it's not a simplistic as it once was.

    If these people claim to be SEO experts, why do they bury their head in the sand?
    Read.*
    Learn.
    Stay current.

    *Don't read kooky blogs. Follow Google, Bing, etc. Get info right from the horse's mouth.
    Then follow other offline and online resources. Website Magazine, SEOmoz, etc.


    For some, this appears to be a religion. That's what they believe, and facts be damned.
    At some point, that mentality is going to catch up with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      A
      These days, PR and inbound links have limitations, too; it's not a simplistic as it once was.
      Progress? Admission that the aforementioned High PR links not being useful for ranking was a load of garbage? both?

      At some point, that mentality is going to catch up with you.
      Yep so will the mentality of faking being an unbiased hosting list owner when actually attaching affiliate links to all your top level "suggestions". One day someone might notice it and you suggesting a crappy host who you are an affiliate for....oh wait

      that day came yesterday
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      At the end of the day, there's still no such thing as "C class" (A,B,C,D) IP addresses.
      IP addresses still have no bearing on search results.
      These days, PR and inbound links have limitations, too; it's not a simplistic as it once was.

      If these people claim to be SEO experts, why do they bury their head in the sand?
      Read.*
      Learn.
      Stay current.
      Look, noone cares. It doesn't matter what it was renamed to. We still need diversity of IP's and preferably geographical locations to host our blog networks. But most importantly to minimize the footprint. I truly cannot understand why you guys can't understand this.

      And to say that this has no bearing on search results is completely out of this world. Stop being lazy and try it for yourself. Go on, I dare you. :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      For some, this appears to be a religion. That's what they believe, and facts be damned.
      At some point, that mentality is going to catch up with you.
      *yawn
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    You know you're dealing with a troll when they use quotes out of context.
    You often find that on political discussions.

    If you're trying to bait me into arguing with you, you'll find that fails too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      You know you're dealing with a troll
      Perhaps you can Talk some SEO or find another section to pimp your non affiliate driven list with all affiliate links. We only see you and King in hosting discussions in the SEO section so whose trolling who?

      Your assertion that Pagerank links don't affect rankings cements the fact that you have no idea about SEO and are only in this thread to pimp the sig. no quote has been taken out of context.

      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      If you're trying to bait me into arguing with you, you'll find that fails too.
      Not even in that can you keep your story straight. IF you are not arguing then why are you?

      I don't offer a service for anything, it's integrated with cPanel like I mentioned that the company reaches out to pretty much every web host. I told you myself it's junk service.
      King for someone who just questioned someone's errr Cojones let me just request that you stop the fudging and out and out lying. The its in Cpanel argument is a load of nonsense

      For you to put that in your sales features list and create a seperate sales page for it (nowhere near CPnel)meant that they made the pitch to you and YOU AGREED to promote it and take cash from the upgrades.

      So spin, lie about it, do a jig. waltz do a cha chacha and merengue

      You were involved in pushing Google manipulative SEO and even SEO network link building.

      You deserve for the guys here who you have accused for months of doing EXACTLY what you were doing through Attracta to get on your case and even more so for pretending like ooops it just kind of fell on our sales page by accident.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Perhaps you can Talk some SEO or find another section to pimp your non affiliate driven list with all affiliate links. We only see you and King in hosting discussions in the SEO section so whose trolling who?
        To be fair, if that is their area of expertise wouldn't they be more inclined to jump into these sorts of threads? You seem to jump into network threads regularly, whats the difference? Hosting is a very important factor in SEO so it seems to be fairly relevant in this section of the forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          To be fair, if that is their area of expertise wouldn't they be more inclined to jump into these sorts of threads? You seem to jump into network threads regularly, whats the difference?
          Do you see me only in networking threads? Good... theres the difference which I had already pointed out. Second when you see me spouting off something as basicly wrong as Pagreank links no longer matter then you will finally have a good point against me.

          Or are you claiming that saying pagerank links no longer matter is good SEO advice? Inquiring minds want to know?
          Hosting is a very important factor in SEO so it seems to be fairly relevant in this section of the forum.
          Rarely is an issue in SEO. Once you have a decent host 90% of hosting issues are done. We go weeks at a time with none asking about hosting issues especially outside of networks
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Do you see me only in networking threads? Good... theres the difference which I had already pointed out. Second when you see me spouting off something as basicly wrong as Pagreank links no longer matter then you will finally have a good point against me.
            Contrary to what you think, I don't monitor your posts. I also don't care about any of the points made in this thread specifically. If somebody says PR links don't matter then I'd say that they aren't telling the whole story. PR links can be worthless IF the backlinks that made these pages gain PR are dead. I have a PR n/a domain that I would take a link from all day over PR 3's with shit links. Why? Because my PR n/a has existing links from authoritive domains/pages (legit PR7-PR4 pages). Just so happens that Google hasn't gotten around to tell me what I already know.

            Point? PR isn't the end all be all to what makes a link strong. People should focus more on why these pages have PR and make sure that the links are still live.
            Rarely is an issue in SEO. Once you have a decent host 90% of hosting issues are done. We go weeks at a time with none asking about hosting issues especially outside of networks
            If your page loads slowly Google will eventually move you down the serps.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              Contrary to what you think, I don't monitor your posts. I also don't care about any of the points made in this thread specifically. If somebody says PR links don't matter then I'd say that they aren't telling the whole story. PR links can be worthless IF the backlinks that made these pages gain PR are dead. I have a PR n/a domain that I would take a link from all day over PR 3's with shit links. Why? Because my PR n/a has existing links from authoritive domains/pages (legit PR7-PR4 pages). Just so happens that Google hasn't gotten around to tell me what I already know.

              Point? PR isn't the end all be all to what makes a link strong. People should focus more on why these pages have PR and make sure that the links are still live.
              If your page loads slowly Google will eventually move you down the serps.
              Are you sure that that PR n/a domain of yours with PR4-PR7 links isn't deindexed?
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      • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Not even in that can you keep your story straight. IF you are not arguing then why are you?
        Ah yes, the Karl Rove playbook. Say something untrue, and hope nobody catches it. Bravo for trying.

        But the fact of the matter is I keep repeating the exact same things:
        - PR isn't everything
        - IPs have nothing to do with rank, SEO, etc
        - IPs do not have classes
        - "blog networks" = attempts to trick search engines (usually spammy sites)

        I'm starting to get bored now. Have a nice day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        King for someone who just questioned someone's errr Cojones let me just request that you stop the fudging and out and out lying. The its in Cpanel argument is a load of nonsense

        For you to put that in your sales features list and create a seperate sales page for it (nowhere near CPnel)meant that they made the pitch to you and YOU AGREED to promote it and take cash from the upgrades.

        So spin, lie about it, do a jig. waltz do a cha chacha and merengue

        You were involved in pushing Google manipulative SEO and even SEO network link building.

        You deserve for the guys here who you have accused for months of doing EXACTLY what you were doing through Attracta to get on your case and even more so for pretending like ooops it just kind of fell on our sales page by accident.
        Go back and read the countless posts I've made regarding this since you cannot comprehend what's been said. You guys flip flop around from one thing to another. Attracta directory submission? Woohooo, big f*ckin deal. You guys building a bunch of fake crappy, keyword stuffed spam sites to push one site, that's the problem here. The same scenario revolves around this "class" networking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      If you're trying to bait me into arguing with you, you'll find that fails too.
      and yet here he is still arguing

      :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

      At least the guy is consistent. He isn't even right about himself.

      - "blog networks" = attempts to trick search engines (usually spammy sites)
      Nope...wrong again (your record is in tact). There are more private networks ranking real sites than there are the rental networks you are familiar with. Plus I'd take linking from my own sites as is my right than creating a non affiliate driven host list with only affiliate linked hosts.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        and yet here he is still arguing

        :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

        At least the guy is consistent. He isn't even right about himself.



        Nope...wrong again (your record is in tact). There are more private networks ranking real sites than there are the rental networks you are familiar with. Plus I'd take linking from my own sites as is my right than creating a non affiliate driven host list with only affiliate linked hosts.
        So are you...what's your point? STOP trying to bullsh!t the search engines and you wouldn't need your sh!tty "networks".
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
    For the record, I think it is absolutely stupid to place all of your network on the same IP. You may as well put a neon sign with an arrow telling Google that these are your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Damn King... What the hell did you smoke today?
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  • Profile picture of the author synaptium
    Whats actually the point of all the argument, Mike, Nik0 and kingfish85?

    Are you kids?

    You stated your facts. Let it be. We all know what works for us.

    Disagree. Make your point but lets not rub ourselves with mud. We are grown ups.

    Please.

    P. S Mike..heard a lot about your seo network training course. Thanks for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Ya just gotta love when someone comes into a contentious thread a week after every thing had died down and the argument has finished

      just to bump it so they can argue righteously that they are above arguing.

      LOL

      P. S Mike..heard a lot about your seo network training course. Thanks for sharing
      Your welcome and thanks for the extra reference. Consult the sig if you want to know the latest low limited time reduced pricing.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshmstanton
    This will change your life man. Get a reseller account from HostNine for 25 bucks. You can create up to 100 cPanels and rotate their locations.

    What happens when you do this is you don't just get different c-class ips, but A and B as well.

    You're right c-class hosting is a joke which is why I don't use it anymore.
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