Beware of C Class hosting

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www.cclassiphosting.com is a freaking joke. My sites are constantly down and now they suspeneded my account for non payment even though I am paid in full. I emailed them proof that I have paid in full for the 4 months I have used them and they still insist that I pay an additional month to get my sites turned back on. Funny thing is they require automatic payments though paypal and even though I gave them the transaction numbers for each months payments they do not admit they were wrong. So now Iam being blackmailed to pay an extra months hosting to get my service turned back on.
#search engine optimization #beware #class #hosting
  • I would advise that you take your backups to another provider. How many sites do you have hosted with them?
  • how can he take backup, since his account has been suspended..

    backup is only possible once he gets his a/c unsuspended from the blackmailers..
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    • A local backup...? ALWAYS keep local backups of your data... even if the hosting provider does backups, it's advised to keep local copies in the event the backups do not work correctly.

      You're advertising "web development" in your signature. As a "web developer", you should know this..
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  • Never go with "companies" who brand themselves as "C Class Hosting".

    Go with actual companies who are branded and known in the industry, such as Host The Name.
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    • And always do your research on them first.
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    • HTN as a branded company i would rely on? Have you actually been a customer of theirs? Because if you are i don't know if you would seriously commit to saying that. :rolleyes:
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  • What did you expect from a Malaysia based company / hosting ?

    Really ....
  • My favorite thing is to see people with "class C" hosting and adsense on all the sites or watching them put Google Analytics on all the sites, etc. I've had 50 sites all on the same IP for YEARS with their own rankings. When will people learn that the blast 100,000 links at a site and automated spamming crap to social sites party is over? If your model is to get rankings for a couple of weeks and then disappear only to create new sites over and over again then this is for you. Otherwise, do it the right way.

    PS - And if you're building a link farm, blog network, etc., then you are creating a TON of work for yourself. Getting sites in your blog network ranked with authority is not as easy as it was 5 years ago.
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    • Thats the thing, you're not ranking the sites in the blog network, they are used to rank other sites. And I'm not sure what reality you guys are living in, but placing your network on separate IPs is basic 101 stuff. :rolleyes: The problem is that it becomes such a pain in the @ss to manage so many different accounts accross different providers. Im in the same boat as nik0 on this one, if I could find a decent solution for this then it'd be well worth it to give it a try.
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  • why dont people search reviews on google before using any hosting company. You should go with well know companys. I am using go daddy and I have never faced any problem with it
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  • Thanks for the warning, I'll blacklist them!
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  • It's refreshing to finally see people at WarriorForum realizing "class C" hosting is nonsense.

    All you need is a good host. Stablehost, for example.
    Or if you insist on "unlimited" space, Site5 or Arvixe .. not Hostgator and 50+ other EIG brands.
    That's it. Use a good host. It's that easy.
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    • There ya go. Put all your money sites on one server and then all your link resource sites on the same server linking back to the money sites on your same server and you will rank baby!!
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    • Cheap hosting has its place so long as you assume that one day the host will close shop and you will lose your web sites, (which is OK if you have backups and can restore them quickly).

      For a bit of IP diversity I sometimes buy cheap hosting on ebay. Half of it is crap and will close down in a few months, but the rest is great value.

      I have 20 private network sites hosted on an Indonesian server that costs me $5 per year for the 20 sites and they have been running for 3.5 years very happily. Just lucky I guess.
  • There's no such thing as an "A class" either. Again, invented nonsense.

    IPv4 is being depleted, so fat chance on getting them without justification. "SEO" is not it.
    RIPE is already exhausted.
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    • Banned
      You bunch of nitpickers know exactly what I mean.
    • Pure crap....Classes refer to the numeric in an IP address. You can't say there is no such thing as as a class while people use it to break down the parts of an ip. Thats utter nonsense. You or even all the hosts combined don't get to determine language. meanings are determined by usage.

      Plus I can't take you seriously at all in regard to hosting. Do you get paid to put companies on your list? My goodness

      You have Ninja Lion on your list of the best hosts and with absolutely NO RESERVATION WHATSOEVER

      That is the worse host on the planet.

      Their servers were more down than up and when they were up they were more overloaded than a diva's luggage on the back of an ant (and the servers were killed by the weight just like the ant). They never answered a support ticket. I don't mean they took long I mean THEY NEVER ANSWERED A SUPPORT TICKET.

      Their billing system worked like clockwork though so apparently they had one good server they put that on so they could bill clients every month for servers that were down. The only response I got to their service was from paypal when I cancelled my subscription and paypal verified the subscription was cancelled

      I have used scores of web hosts through the years and no host was worse than Ninja lion. That you have them on your list is a crime against humanity that should be put on trial in Prague or at the very least qualifies your web page to be locked up at Guantanamo. There service was so pitiful bad I refuse to this day to do business with their sister company Downtownhost (also on your list) because to me they created that company just to suck dollars out of cheap extra low quality hosting just to keep their main name clear of the stink.

      I'm not saying I don't like Ninja Lion. I am saying if Ninja Lion were a person and not a company I would not shed tears if Ninja were standing in front of Bin Laden when the seal team entered the room he was in. I might even push them in front ( but ahem what would I be doing there to begin with?). As far as the whole ninja kick a__ thing? - Ninja lion in terms of ninja anything was more like Chris Tucker in Rush Hour one before he met Lee and even Chris then would have slapped Ninja Lion's rear end around the block with his car radio while singing You Rock my World.

      and you put them on a list of best overall hosts? You know nothing about hosting.
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  • The blind are leading the blind here at WF
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    Pfff only more of the technical blablabla that he repeated at least a handful of times in this thread.
  • - There's no such thing as a "C class".
    - People that work with the tech know this is nonsense and stupid.
    - Only self-proclaimed "marketing experts" use this stupid invented term. (Note: No college marketing experience.)
    - We had classes of networks pre-CIDR. But the third octet is still not what it meant.
    - IP addresses have zero effect on search engines. Two words why: shared hosting.

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    - Ninja Lion is fine. When I used NL, it had 100% for 11 months. The 12th months was just a few minutes of downtime. The only thing that was a bit slow was support, but that has since been rectified (and why I now rank them, whereas I used to not).
    - The same people that don't understand hosting (i.e. "C class") tend to be the same ones that try to overload a server by having too many WordPress plugins, too many domains under a single account, etc. Therefore such criticism is negated.
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  • You can deny things all you want, but those are the facts.
    (1) There's no such things as network classes.
    (2) That search engines give no positive weight to IP addresses.

    Say what you mean, too. "Blog networks" means you're trying to trick search engines. Sorry, but that doesn't really work. You'd have the same effect if they were all on the same IP.

    Consider actually reading the threads regarding Ninjalion, not just skimming Google SERPs. Many turned out to be the client's fault. Add "reading" to the list of things people believing in "classes" don't do. You'll see I participated in many, often not in their favor, recommending other hosts. The one that was bad was a datacenter issue last year. But it still did not effect all clients. Technically, that was not their fault, but they have moved datacenters since then. It didn't help that Jorge had his iPad stolen while out of town, which compounded the problems.

    My hosting list isn't biased by payouts, and some have no payouts. Redirects != affiliate links.

    I see that WF is still populated by a bunch of immature people that believe in myths. Sad to see this stuff is still going on in 2013.

    I said no such thing.

    The IP address is unrelated to SEO, ranking, "money" sites, etc. It's a protocol, nothing more. It's not some magic fairy dust that you sprinkle on a site to magically make it rank better.

    Again, some of you need to read, not skim.
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      Of course, it's always the clients fault. Maybe if they designed their service a bit better the client wouldn't make so many mistakes in the first place.

      Ever thought about that?

      And sure a different IP won't give extra weight, it's all about avoiding foot prints, gee that I even HAVE to explain that, it's almost like going back to kinder garten.

      Besides that, number of referring IP's definitely make a HUGE difference in ranking sites.

      Let's put a little example:

      - 1 link from a PR4 domain or
      - 10 links from 10 domains that each have 1 link from that PR4 domain that we used above

      Which site you think would rank better, the single link, or the link from the 10 PR2 domains (as that is what the PR4 produced).,

      Or a different example:

      - 1 PR4 link or
      - 1 PR3 link and 100 other PR n/a links from different referring IP's and site setups

      Again the single PR3 link beats it all over, while in fact all the other 100 links are PR n/a and thus have zero value. But even zero PR links have value cause it's not only about PR but also about the amount of sites that are ranking to you.

      Most people use that as an excuse to start to spam the whole web with softwares but Google obvious ain't that stupid when they see all of your links from crappy sites.

      Many tests have proven that my SEO service is way more effective when we include:

      - 10 web2.0 links
      - 10-25 video links (most aren't hyperlink btw but it's good to have a mention)
      - 10-20 infographic links
      - 25 social bookmarks
      - top 5 free press release sites
      - 30 or so local listings / citations
      - top 5 pdf/doc sharing sites

      That way you only get links from high authority sites and that makes it look somewhat natural when you sprinkle in the high PR links.

      So once again: Why do these PR n/a links have any influence? Cause they are all on different referring IP's and GEO locations. It's all about VOTES from totally different places and the only way to make sure that a place is "different" is by having it on a , yeah you probably guess it if you paid attention: DIFFERENT IP


      Besides that, this is my last post in this thread as I'm spending way to much time on educating people like you. Hopefully there are others who read it and that think like "hey, that actually makes a lot of sense".

      ps: I learned nothing new in this whole thread, oh yeah the scientific meaning of a class of an IP, like that would help a single bit.
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    • A) If you read worth a lick as I said before you would know that number 2 is NOT why they are used
      B) No one here believes you work for Google and we know you are fudging by saying you know how they identify separate "votes". Its been the experience of many people here that having links on separate, servers, geo locations and IPs does have an effect. That is how it is practiced today

      So either way you are clueless on the issue. Like King you just assume you know why people use them, read a little about networking, figure it will boost your ego to tell eveyone else how they use particular phrases is wrong and then assume and assume when its you that are wrong and too stubborn to admit it.

      More garbage I have refuted many times. Large corporations use sister sites all the time and no they are not synonymous with "blog networks". They do NOT have to be blogs. Learn at lest the basics. Trick? My sites - I do what I like on them Just like big corporations use their sister sites and still get alot of Google love. Tricking would be doing something like ...um... telling people affiliate driven hosting lists are the scourge of the internet and then doing redirects to hide affiliate links then pretending you would pick hosts that don't have affiliate offers in your top two lists but don't do so even once.

      Of course its the clients's fault that they open a ticket and no one ever answers - EVER - for something so time sensitive as hosting. Did you even read the links or are you just too upset that your strictly money making site masquerading as an objective unbiased list has been exposed?

      Pure LIES. The complaints I listed are stretched out over a year and half not one event "last year". We get it. They pay you just like all the other sites you blast for getting paid to suggest hosts - only many of them are more above board in admitting it.
    • Did the dog eat the hosts homework too? :rolleyes: You are fibbing anyway like I said it was far more than one incident and "Jorge" "Jedito" whoever must have relocated not been out of town because in about two months of waiting my tickets were never answered and what a shocker in the links I provided MULTIPLE people mention getting no response. But we hear you. You must be right. the company that pays you to suggest them must be right - its the clients fault the host didn't answer. Apparently there is a WP plugin that blocks some top quality hosts from answering tickets. Who knew?

      Yeah it is. People claiming not to be motivated by dollars and then all of their top hosts are affiliate linked is something that should not be going on in 2013. Every adult kows that getting paid by a company is a form of bias and yes you definitely think people here are stupid and your arrogance has you making all kinds of claims of more stupdity but that doesn;t make them immature - it makes you immature . Really think I am just saying because I saw redirects that that alone = affiliate. No Einstein. Take a look

      Redirect Checker

      Know what is done at this site? Take a guess

      Anyone can do a check on your top two lists and see the affiliate links you are redirecting too. Didn't know that could be done? I DID do that and I SAW the affiliate links not just redirects. Ninjalion is a dog of a host anyone ignoring all the complaints against it and goes ahead with it its on them but its inclusion in your list along with the fact you get paid on all of the recommendations I see in your top list means both Ninjalion and your list should be avoided completely.

      Oh the irony. ROFL
    • 1. There is are still network classes. Read Classless Inter-Domain Routing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The reason for classless is to slow the exhaustion of IPv4 ips. For instance, harvard.edu has this block 128.103.0.0/16 (class B). That means that harvard has 2^16 = 65536 IPs.
      The question is, does harvard up to 65536 computers in the campus. I believe it is possible because harvard has a lot of students and they probably have smart phones and tablet.
      Some small organizations have the same block of IPs like harvard, that means that the organization is not using all the available IPs allocated to them. This means that the unused IPs are a waste. This waste made the IP allocation body to stop allocating blocks of IPs, so if you want an IP address, you can be assigned anything, this means classless.

      2. If search engine disregards unique IPs, then someone would rank for any keyword by just using only blogspot. The person would create a 1000 blogspot blogs, and link to his website. Or why don't you buy 300 domains, install them on your webhost, and rank for any keyword you want?
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  • Lol, IP classing is in 101 common sense, and taught (or limited) by your ability to comprehend things.

    AAA.XXX.XXX.XXX
    BBB.BBB.XXX.XXX
    CCC.CCC.CCC.XXX
    DDD.DDD.DDD.DDD


    Although IPv6 is better, it is still in the process of being adapted as most traffic in the internet uses IPv4

    Why C-Class hosting bad for SEO is still debatable

    one is that because of the similarity of the IP address of the sites and would create a big footprint, especially if the sites in question is a link wheel feeding your money site.


    in a C-class hosting situation, the sites would have something like this:
    site1.com = 192.168.1.112
    site3.com = 192.168.1.223
    site3.com = 192.168.1.312
    site4.com = 192.168.1.423

    especially obvious when manually checked.
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    • Class C hosting services would not deliver it like that. they would make sure to NOT deliver it like that but yes the whole point was to not make things look extra obvious. People like KPmedia pretend that people who talk about Class C hosting believe there is some magical power in Ip addresses. Complete nonsense. They were always used for the purpose of manual reviews only now almost everyone involved in networks recommends using entirely different servers and even different locations. So the whole debate has no practical application (I guess for those still using SEO hosts but more experienced people no longer do for entirely different reasons) except for a few people who jump up every time someone uses the phrase with "oooh , oooh I can get to try and show how smart I am in this thread" and argue with the still popular phrase usage.
  • Do any of you actually read the links you post? Because there are no "classes" of IP addresses, and haven't been in 20 years. There was no exhaustion 20 years ago when this was done.

    We can go on and on, but the facts are not on your side. What's happening here is a lack of knowledge, combined with some logical fallacy, leading to the creation of myths. It's no different than claiming the sun god is angry because its hot.

    It's amazing how people believe stuff that has been accurate in years. Decades, even.
    - classes of domains
    - PageRank importance

    I'm amused when people think being paid even a penny must mean you're biased. But when you rank without regard to pay, that's what it is. The fact that they do pay commissions is immaterial. The amounts are immaterial. It's not like the fake "top 10" sites that rank based on payouts. Most of the best hosts pay a whopping $20-25. Unlike Elmer Fudd, I don't think I'll be buying a mansion and a yacht anytime soon. I'm just trying to help folks find non-crap hosts.
  • This is not a matter for debate

    this is a matter of you reaching the limits of your ability to comprehend a reality that is already in front of you.
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    • LOL yes thats exactly where we have come to. He can't comprehend what the real issues are so he continues to pretend the issues he has in his head are what are being discussed. That and the fact that precisely like Elmer Fudd he has not one clue about SEO and continues to insist that PR even as it pertains to links has no relevance FROM DECADES AGO (ROFL).

      Ya hear that you all. KPmedia has spoken - High PR Links do not matter in SEO.

      Strawman... Its simple really. When you include a lousy host in a list where you get paid for every single suggestion (and your top two lists do...I couldn't bother going further) then your entire list is suspect and to be avoided.....and please if you want to claim rationality make sensible arguments. Claiming that you don't make big money in no way lets you off the hook. No one has any idea what you make jsut as you have little idea about what every other host list does. Profitability is not a matter of payout per account but quantity of accounts referred as well.


      Bottom line is if you accuse every other host list of suggesting only for the dollars and then suggest host that only pay out dollars you are either making unfounded accusations of all other lists or being a hypocrite.
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  • At the end of the day, there's still no such thing as "C class" (A,B,C,D) IP addresses.
    IP addresses still have no bearing on search results.
    These days, PR and inbound links have limitations, too; it's not a simplistic as it once was.

    If these people claim to be SEO experts, why do they bury their head in the sand?
    Read.
    Learn.
    Stay current.



    For some, this appears to be a religion. That's what they believe, and facts be damned.
    At some point, that mentality is going to catch up with you.
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    • Progress? Admission that the aforementioned High PR links not being useful for ranking was a load of garbage? both?

      Yep so will the mentality of faking being an unbiased hosting list owner when actually attaching affiliate links to all your top level "suggestions". One day someone might notice it and you suggesting a crappy host who you are an affiliate for....oh wait

      that day came yesterday
    • Look, noone cares. It doesn't matter what it was renamed to. We still need diversity of IP's and preferably geographical locations to host our blog networks. But most importantly to minimize the footprint. I truly cannot understand why you guys can't understand this.

      And to say that this has no bearing on search results is completely out of this world. Stop being lazy and try it for yourself. Go on, I dare you. :rolleyes:

      *yawn
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  • You know you're dealing with a troll when they use quotes out of context.
    You often find that on political discussions.

    If you're trying to bait me into arguing with you, you'll find that fails too.
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    • Perhaps you can Talk some SEO or find another section to pimp your non affiliate driven list with all affiliate links. We only see you and King in hosting discussions in the SEO section so whose trolling who?

      Your assertion that Pagerank links don't affect rankings cements the fact that you have no idea about SEO and are only in this thread to pimp the sig. no quote has been taken out of context.

      Not even in that can you keep your story straight. IF you are not arguing then why are you?

      King for someone who just questioned someone's errr Cojones let me just request that you stop the fudging and out and out lying. The its in Cpanel argument is a load of nonsense

      For you to put that in your sales features list and create a seperate sales page for it (nowhere near CPnel)meant that they made the pitch to you and YOU AGREED to promote it and take cash from the upgrades.

      So spin, lie about it, do a jig. waltz do a cha chacha and merengue

      You were involved in pushing Google manipulative SEO and even SEO network link building.

      You deserve for the guys here who you have accused for months of doing EXACTLY what you were doing through Attracta to get on your case and even more so for pretending like ooops it just kind of fell on our sales page by accident.
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    • and yet here he is still arguing

      :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

      At least the guy is consistent. He isn't even right about himself.

      Nope...wrong again (your record is in tact). There are more private networks ranking real sites than there are the rental networks you are familiar with. Plus I'd take linking from my own sites as is my right than creating a non affiliate driven host list with only affiliate linked hosts.
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  • For the record, I think it is absolutely stupid to place all of your network on the same IP. You may as well put a neon sign with an arrow telling Google that these are your sites.
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    Damn King... What the hell did you smoke today?
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  • Whats actually the point of all the argument, Mike, Nik0 and kingfish85?

    Are you kids?

    You stated your facts. Let it be. We all know what works for us.

    Disagree. Make your point but lets not rub ourselves with mud. We are grown ups.

    Please.

    P. S Mike..heard a lot about your seo network training course. Thanks for sharing
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    • Ya just gotta love when someone comes into a contentious thread a week after every thing had died down and the argument has finished

      just to bump it so they can argue righteously that they are above arguing.

      LOL

      Your welcome and thanks for the extra reference. Consult the sig if you want to know the latest low limited time reduced pricing.
  • This will change your life man. Get a reseller account from HostNine for 25 bucks. You can create up to 100 cPanels and rotate their locations.

    What happens when you do this is you don't just get different c-class ips, but A and B as well.

    You're right c-class hosting is a joke which is why I don't use it anymore.
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    Beware of C Class hosting

    www.cclassiphosting.com is a freaking joke. My sites are constantly down and now they suspeneded my account for non payment even though I am paid in full. I emailed them proof that I have paid in full for the 4 months I have used them and they still insist that I pay an additional month to get my sites turned back on. Funny thing is they require automatic payments though paypal and even though I gave them the transaction numbers for each months payments they do not admit they were wrong. So now Iam being blackmailed to pay an extra months hosting to get my service turned back on.