The Warrior Progression

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This is the trend I see for a lot of people on Warrior forum, not everyone, but a lot of threads, comments, ideas...





That fails because it requires a lot of upfront work, you have to actually create real content that people/traffic will want. Odds are their idea of authority is based on page volume, If they have a bunch of pages it must be an authority.






That fails because they soon figure out the sites are weak/thin & can't even support themselves when trying rank a page. No traffic equals no money.






That ends up failing once they figure out they don't have a clue what they're doing. Google eventually buries the pile of dung site in Supplemental SERPs If they're lucky enough to even keep the site indexed in Google SERPs.





If they're honest, they never really tried anything, just a bunch of useless time wasting gimmicks they found in outdated ebooks.

The cycle repeats, only in a different IM sub-niche.
#search engine optimization #progression #warrior
  • Here's another one:


    use the useless time wasting gimmicks they found in outdated ebooks and charge other people for it.


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    • Y0u will not like this Yuke but there is a thread linking all these together.

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      If you have a business model that is centered in user experience in a particular niche and with products or serices around that niche then you build an entirely different site than you would if all your business model is built to make dollars from Adsense

      Your beloved adsense is exactly what causes many of the things you point out. Yes the same can be said for lazy affiliate sites as well but at least with affiliate sites there is a content focus. its on the product. The site owner wants a sale so they have a direct incentive to put something relevant and persuasive about the product at least in some of their content. True how most people do affiliate sites qualifies just as bad as adsense however....

      With Adsense no such direct incentive applies. IF you can drive traffic to the crappiest of sites it in fact might even help for it to be crappy because people might click an adsense ad to escape.

      There has to be a fundamental shift in how people approach their business model if any of the thing you listed are to change and the adsense MMO mentality is at the core of what would need to change. If you have to think about real products and real services then you go through a mental process that tends to end up in real sites because you care more about real people and whats involved in them feeling comfortable and motivated to buy those products or services.

      Adsense has the direct tendency of making people think about keyword traffic and nothing else.

      This and other reasons is precisely why I say Adsense as a business model sucks. I don't say that repeatedly just to gaul people but because the whole mindset of adsense as a business model is PRECISELY one of the biggest problems in MMO.

      YOu can't just simply attack the methods without addressing the business model mindset. Its pointless. Perpetuators of adsense are part of the problem not the solution.
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  • /\ Exactly as you said, "people are flawed". Which is precisely why we need to keep them away from adsense.

    If the government doesn't trust people with soda, then why should people trust each other with adsense?

    The answer is - they shouldn't.
  • There is a "dip" between success and failure. You have to keep taking action despite no positive reinforcement, its really hard to do.

    People give up because they dont realize the power of compounding in IM.

    It takes time for sites to age, build links, build content, trust etc.

    I work with gambling websites. My big earner is a 300 page authority site that gets 400 visits a day (enough to make over $10k a month in this niche). I also build 1 page sites/mini sites on EMD's, blogspots, tumblrs etc. There is no correct strategy.

    Action is the correction strategy. It's funny when people have a clear plan of what they want to achieve, a shitty strategy ends up being a rather good one if u just keep moving forward despite resistance.

    This is basically why i think people fail:

    The Biggest Secret to Making Money Online!

    Either that, or i am just smarter than everyone else.
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    • Make money ninja [oh dear] I'm sure you are not smarter than everyone else but you've hit the nail on the head with this post , I salute you
  • I also agree that it comes down to the individual, the person behind the website. Not everyone may be keen on the human interaction like what list building and relationship building brings about, but that does not mean that they do not have anything of value to add to the net.

    Everything is about personal preference when building a website and choosing the monetization strategy. Webmaster A may build a crappy website, with poor content in the hope of earning some Adsense coin and Webmaster B may build a highly informative site also with the hope of earning money in the process.... it is all about the individual!
  • Yukon, i put really HQ content on my sites.

    Also, its gambling affiliate, so even though its HQ writing, its low value. The whole industry is low value. It basically just making money from rankings.

    There are other industries like this and you can make bank in them. Think pay day loans.

    I do truck loads of article spinning though and i do very well out of it. Whats wrong with using them for links?

    And dont say google will penalize me, they wont, they havent for the past 3 years and im making bank doing it.
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      That doesn't even make sense.

      I guess you own a spell checker?
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    Exactly.

    Hey, what shall I do with my low quality pages that don't convert?

    Brilliant idea: I put Adsense on them!
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      I've seen your spin/spun thread, good luck with that while running Adsense. You could probably get away with the gibberish as an Amazon affiliate, I've never known them to care about anything content related.
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  • Of course, Adsense is becoming more challenging, if you are planning to earn from Adsense then you have to think twice first.

    You should have any good plan for content from that users would get benefited and they should be fresh and qualitative.
  • I'm a BA student. I got a full time job from learning off the Warriorforum > University. Waddddup? Drinks on me.
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    This somehow turned into an Adsense thread, so I'll share something that isn't typical as far as traffic generation goes around here.

    I said before that I have email list on my Adsense sites, one of the things I do every once in a while is browse the email list for TLD email URLs. On my best traffic site I have 3 .edu email subscribers & the front part of the email is their real name (ex: johndoe@someschool.edu). At first I thought the emails were kind of cool (don't see that too often on my email list), so I googled the school/edu & found the staff pages that list everyone that works for the schools. The emails belong to school instructors, a mix of high school & community college .edu schools.

    This got me to thinking about using the instructors as traffic sources by contacting same niche school instructors (not school Admin.) at different schools than are already on my email list & send them an email (get the emails from the same niche school sitemaps via Google) asking If there's anything they need that's not already on my existing site/s.

    It's more or less link baiting the school instructors but my sites are a content source & it's free content which is useful for school instructors, they're always getting nickel & dimed by budget cuts.

    The ultimate goal would be to get the instructors to pass my site/s link/URL along to students. I figure even a small class size in a high school/community college would be around 20 unique traffic (per class) & that's highly targeted traffic, you can't get traffic better than that, these are people guaranteed to be interested in the niche.

    This also got me to thinking about this guys story:
    I realize Google is promoting Adwords in that article but that's not important to me, what's interesting is the quote above (in red). That quote is basically what I'm planning on doing with my own sites, mailing niche school instructors to try & get the instructors to generate traffic for my sites.

    The real work in this traffic source would be manually creating a laser targeted list of niche school instructors, all schools don't offer the same class.

    I'm thinking If I can hook the instructor they'll continue to use my site/URL/content for future classes, so it's a lot more traffic than just 20 students in a single class, most teachers make a long term career out of teaching. Even If I only connected with 1 school from all 50 US states that's possibly 1,000 unique traffic per class/semester, I'm low balling the numbers to be somewhat realistic.

    BTW this is content that gets shared by traffic via sites, blogs, forums, word of mouth..., the content isn't complicated but it does have a learning curve when first starting to learn how things work (mostly learning niche software). These are also Adsense sites. I'm not promoting Adsense, really I don't care If anyone runs Adsense or anything else, it's my choice, it's what I do. My point here is generating niche traffic.

    Edit: Also, I'm not one of those .edu link guys (lol), I don't care about getting links as far as SEO. I'm looking for more direct niche traffic, they can javascript the link for all I care.
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    From now on I forbid you guys to make such long posts. Is it cause of charity towards the warrior forum for better search engine rankings or do you guys jus thave nothing better to do? :p
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    • We are all not just pimping our sig so we don't keep things short to highlight it like ummm some people
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    I took some time to follow up on the school teacher email leads.

    I found a footprint, searched the class name (niche) + TLD for a single US state, collected the first 10 emails from the school directories for the teachers that teach the niche class. Sent out a canned email but made it sound like I was speaking directly to another person, then used the BCC on the email to hide each of the 10 emails from the other 9 people.

    Lol, hope I'm not violating any email law. I'm not selling a single thing, all the content (downloads) on my site are 100% free, they don't have to register or anything like that. I even offered to help create custom downloads as long as I can post the content on my site for all my traffic to use & they don't ask for content that would violate a trademark or copyright, I don't even consider stuff like that.

    It's late Fri. night so they probably won't see the emails until early Mon. morning of next week, I probably should have waited for late Sun. night so my email would be at the top of their inbox, I figure a teacher isn't getting very many emails anyways, plus I didn't feel like waiting, wanted to get this tested before I forget (lol).

    What reminded me of testing this tonight was, I was checking my best sites email list tonight & noticed a new email from a .edu school, did the Google search for the email/domain name & it was indeed another teacher.

    Anyways, the wheels are in motion, now I wait & see what happens. This is the first time I've actually went out & tried to get teachers to visit my site.

    Note these are very targeted emails/teachers, I'm manually searching for these emails/teachers myself, nothing automated. I want these teachers on my site so they'll hopefully share my link/s with their students, who will hopefully pass my link on to friends, family, whoever...
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    • Hey Yukon,

      Did any of the teachers you contacted ever get back to you?


  • I'm not sure it's right to lump together building an authority site, a network of MFA sites and an autoblog.

    They're so, so different. Even if you "fail" at building an authority site at least you (hopefully) learned a few things, like how to create awesome content and a new niche.

    That being said, your point is completely valid: most Warriors fail dozens of times before finally succeeding...and they usually find success in something other than building 150 MFA sites "the right way".

    It's because they sacked up and built a real business.

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