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Anyone buy expired domains to increase page rank?

by Adrianne_
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I've been researching the method of buying expired domains
with high page rank, then linking it to your website to increase
your own page rank. Sounds easy enough but does it really
work, is my question? I'm wondering if you can maintain your
page ranking from the expired domains or will it slowly trickle
away.
#buy #domains #expired #increase #page #rank
  • Profile picture of the author KuhNoodle
    Buying expired domains that have page rank that are relevant to your niche is only going to hurt you in the long run. Backlinks give domains pagerank. With the domains becoming expired I would imagine the links would eventually disappear. I wouldn't do it. But that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gareth Mailer
      Originally Posted by KuhNoodle View Post

      Buying expired domains that have page rank that are relevant to your niche is only going to hurt you in the long run. Backlinks give domains pagerank. With the domains becoming expired I would imagine the links would eventually disappear. I wouldn't do it. But that's just me.
      That's why you research for domains which have links on OLD pages, which haven't been updated in awhile - it's also why you buy expired domains with a high number of referring domains pointing in.

      Answer to the OP: yes. Anyone with the inclination towards the direct link building ethos will likely have a private blog network of some sort in place, however:
      • Multiple shared hosting accounts/class C IPs.
      • Unique nameservers.
      • Private reg'd domains.
      • Unique content on each domain.
      • Auction houses and scouring through endless lists of domains and using tools like Scrapebox to pick them out/bulk page rank checkers.
      • Minimising footprint i.e. avoid AdSense, Analytics etc.

      It's complex and easy to get burned if you don't know what you're doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      Originally Posted by KuhNoodle View Post

      Buying expired domains that have page rank that are relevant to your niche is only going to hurt you in the long run. Backlinks give domains pagerank. With the domains becoming expired I would imagine the links would eventually disappear. I wouldn't do it. But that's just me.
      I have to disagree...anytime you have a relevant, high PR link pointing to your site (assuming its not a bad link), its only going to help you...short and long-term

      the links only disappear if the referring domain owner removes them (which can happen for various reasons), but for the most part unless the referring domain owner has a systematic check to find broken links on their site, they arent going to get removed...

      But if they do have a systematic check, an easy fix to go undetected for broken links is to install a 404 redirection plugin...that way the links dont return to the referring domain as broken and likely wont get removed

      Also, the chance of losing a ton of links to a domain that has links coming in from hundreds or thousands of sources is not likely...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by KuhNoodle View Post

      Buying expired domains that have page rank that are relevant to your niche is only going to hurt you in the long run.
      What the ?????? Can someone translate for me because there must be some hidden meaning I missed. How in the world could buying domains in your own niche hurt you?
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by Adrianne_ View Post

    I've been researching the method of buying expired domains
    with high page rank, then linking it to your website to increase
    your own page rank. Sounds easy enough but does it really
    work, is my question? I'm wondering if you can maintain your
    page ranking from the expired domains or will it slowly trickle
    away.
    Yes it does work. The hard part is finding decent expired domains at a reasonable price with quality backlinks.

    So long as the backlinks to the expired domains stay in place, the PR will not trickle away.
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    • Profile picture of the author ContentWritingPhD
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      Yes, it works for many internet marketers. When you do, don’t waste time because everyone’s in a hurry to get good expired domain names. Also, make sure that you don’t buy at a hefty price and to do this, it helps to come up with a special budget and stick to it.

      As long as you follow the basic principles of trading expired domains, you’ll do great in this business.
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      • Profile picture of the author BuyExpiredDomains
        Originally Posted by ContentWritingPhD View Post

        Yes, it works for many internet marketers. When you do, don't waste time because everyone's in a hurry to get good expired domain names. Also, make sure that you don't buy at a hefty price and to do this, it helps to come up with a special budget and stick to it.

        As long as you follow the basic principles of trading expired domains, you'll do great in this business.
        I completely agree. Stick to a budget and have a plan outlined and you will do great!
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        • Profile picture of the author macher
          Originally Posted by BuyExpiredDomains View Post

          I completely agree. Stick to a budget and have a plan outlined and you will do great!
          I bought a high PR 3 domain about a month ago. I checked out the back link profile and it has a handful of PR1-2/3 links.

          It seems like the price is around $40 to buy a PR3 domain with a handful of backlinks.

          What I am thinking is using this PR3 domain as the domain for an Amazon review site and implement a silo structure. I've watched some videos on this.

          I'm also contemplating on purchasing more domains and using domain as domain for Amazon review sites. At $40 investment it might work out in the long run.

          Any thoughts?
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          • Profile picture of the author DPM70
            Originally Posted by macher View Post

            I bought a high PR 3 domain about a month ago. I checked out the back link profile and it has a handful of PR1-2/3 links.

            It seems like the price is around $40 to buy a PR3 domain with a handful of backlinks.

            What I am thinking is using this PR3 domain as the domain for an Amazon review site and implement a silo structure. I've watched some videos on this.

            I'm also contemplating on purchasing more domains and using domain as domain for Amazon review sites. At $40 investment it might work out in the long run.

            Any thoughts?
            Always worth a go if you can find a domain that looks like it might fit what you're after, macher. I've also successfully repurposed several expired / dropped domains with good links pointing at them as money sites and the posts rank well and quickly for decent keywords. As always, what you do with the site determines if you'll make money with it but this method does work (for now!).

            Edit: by the way I'm still seeing quite a lot of flux across Amazon review style sites. I don't do the typical thing but the last couple of updates (21st Aug, 4th Sept) seem to have been throwing them around the SERPs a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    I've always found it suspect at best.
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  • Profile picture of the author intergen
    It absolutely works. Buying the right domains is key. There are ways to maintain the backlink profile on these domains as well (not going into it here). You can also buy PR rich websites on Flippa & other sites.

    I have done this many times and all of my sites maintained their PR and some increased. These links have supported several sites in gaining higher positions in the SERP's.

    If someone states it doesn;t work they just don't know how to do it properly. Also Mike Anthony on WF is one of the best & has a training course on how to do this.
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      guys...this is what I do all day long. I'd be happy to help out in any way.

      To the OP...yes, its works...I rank my brand new sites on the first page of google in 1-2 days in most cases doing it...there are lots of details...most already covered by Gareth, but its super powerful if you know what you are doing...
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Yep it works.

    Are Google gonna crack down on it this year? Well, there's the big question....
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Yep it works.

      Are Google gonna crack down on it this year? Well, there's the big question....
      probably, but they will catch the guys that dont know how to do it properly...
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by rjames View Post

        probably, but they will catch the guys that dont know how to do it properly...
        Indeed, I was typing my post as you replied - your version is shorter
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        • Profile picture of the author rjames
          Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

          Indeed, I was typing my post as you replied - your version is shorter
          lol...no prob...fact is guys...NOTHING is guaranteed to work forever...that's what (in my mind) SEO is all about...adapting to the current environment....all we can do is go with what is working this very moment (especially for niche marketers like myself)...ride it til it bucks ya and try to stay hidden in the process...
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          • Profile picture of the author rjames
            I might also add that if you are concerned about the PR of your site and thats why you are considering buying high PR sites to send links to your site, then you are probably focusing on the wrong thing.

            Im assuming (i could be wrong here...so let me know), that you are trying to rank a site for a keyword(s), so you think you have to increase your PR to do that, which is not the case. I rank brand new PR0 sites all the time on the first page above PR3s and 4s, so increasing your PR doesnt necessarily mean you will rank any higher for a keyword...
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            • Profile picture of the author heavysm
              Originally Posted by rjames View Post

              I might also add that if you are concerned about the PR of your site and thats why you are considering buying high PR sites to send links to your site, then you are probably focusing on the wrong thing.

              Im assuming (i could be wrong here...so let me know), that you are trying to rank a site for a keyword(s), so you think you have to increase your PR to do that, which is not the case. I rank brand new PR0 sites all the time on the first page above PR3s and 4s, so increasing your PR doesnt necessarily mean you will rank any higher for a keyword...
              Basically this. Over time the PR will rise (if your network links are good enough) but the rankings should be there anyway.

              I had to reread the OP again to make sure i understood the original point. Most people gobble up expired domains with PR to rank their own sites, not necessarily to increase PR on their sites. That's sort of a side effect that comes from good links.
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            • Profile picture of the author dannyl
              Originally Posted by rjames View Post

              I might also add that if you are concerned about the PR of your site and thats why you are considering buying high PR sites to send links to your site, then you are probably focusing on the wrong thing.

              Im assuming (i could be wrong here...so let me know), that you are trying to rank a site for a keyword(s), so you think you have to increase your PR to do that, which is not the case. I rank brand new PR0 sites all the time on the first page above PR3s and 4s, so increasing your PR doesnt necessarily mean you will rank any higher for a keyword...
              I know this is a bit of an old post but someone has brought it back to the top.
              When you say you rank a PR0 site above a PR3/4, if you are doing this by pointing high PR links at your new site then surely that site isn't then a PR0 anymore (only in the toolbar which wouldn't reflect the change until an update)??
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    anytime you have a relevant, high PR link pointing to your site (assuming its not a bad link), its only going to help you...short and long-term
    And you think that the boys in the Big G basement don't have a handle on this?

    The keywords here are "expired domains" and "high PR". Link those two together in a little algorithm update (with a lemon twist) and do some kind of basic chi-squared relationship test and a lot of folk are gonna get busted.

    Not all, but a whole bunch who are not sufficiently blending these links in are gonnas - in the not too distant future.

    And, lol the chi-square was just a funny joke from my side - Imagine the REAL power available in the basement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      The keywords here are "expired domains" and "high PR". Link those two together in a little algorithm update (with a lemon twist) and do some kind of basic chi-squared relationship test and a lot of folk are gonna get busted.
      yeah get in while the getting is good because I am not going to lie google may decide to put domains that drop out of their index into a holding pattern unable to pass pagerank or discounting links before thy fell out. Theres no way to do it retroactively though. Domains drop and people buy them again for perfectly legit reasons. Many companies not even knowing anything end up registering domains that have been registered before.

      Not all, but a whole bunch who are not sufficiently blending these links in are gonnas - in the not too distant future.
      No matter what I say or do almost every WF member INSISTS that there network must be built only with wordpress . I'd say about 30% that I am aware of, even when I tell them not to, end up setting their sites like a rental blog network with multiple unrelated anchor text links going from the same page.

      No one has reported having a deindexed network over two years but I don't know how long that will go on for.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    I've tried this method only once. Here are the results:

    I started a new website and wrote about a dozen posts. The website used a silo structure, if you know what that means.

    I bought three PR3 and PR4 expired websites. I pointed a few posts on the expired websites to my new website.

    Page rank got updated within the first month of the new website's life. After the renewal the new website was PR3, which it still is to this day.

    Does it work. HELL YES!!! Was it because of the expired domains or the silo or the combination? I dunno.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Buying (or renting from) existing authority domains that haven't expired and get real traffic for your niche is the real trick, going forwards. Always has been, but now more so. Picking these up at relatively low cost is the current "SECRET SAUCE".
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      Buying (or renting from) existing authority domains that haven't expired and get real traffic for your niche is the real trick, going forwards. Always has been, but now more so. Picking these up at relatively low cost is the current "SECRET SAUCE".
      I agree...the cost gets expensive though monthly for the rental.

      Here's the other thing about this concept that people don't quite understand. They think if they get a link from a PR6 site (for example) that is indeed a PR6 link...but unless the link you get in on the homepage, the link is worthless, so if anyone goes this route, make sure you know what you are getting...
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Agree with the point on rental but it's all about balancing the ROI.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Here's the other thing about this concept that people don't quite understand. They think if they get a link from a PR6 site (for example) that is indeed a PR6 link...but unless the link you get in on the homepage, the link is worthless, so if anyone goes this route, make sure you know what you are getting...
    I would hope most folks here realise that by now, but you're right, they won't. The other thing is links that roll off the homepage (having been sold as homepage links) after a few days/weeks/months (delete as appropriate).

    But we're getting back to the PR thing. There are other ways of looking at links and external content and where it resides that are way, way removed from being concerned with Google Pagerank, as you know. Let the masses have at it, as they wish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bambu
    This works and works well. The trick is finding domains with solid backlink profiles. Rather than build backlinks from the purchased high PR domain, you should consider using the expired domain as your money site - especially if the domain already has a niche relevant backlink profile (not necessary, but a huge plus).

    You can also 301 redirect the high PR domain to your domain.

    Originally Posted by Adrianne_ View Post

    I've been researching the method of buying expired domains
    with high page rank, then linking it to your website to increase
    your own page rank. Sounds easy enough but does it really
    work, is my question? I'm wondering if you can maintain your
    page ranking from the expired domains or will it slowly trickle
    away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barak Hullman
    Someone mentioned a wso about this, is there a link to it?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      This method does work, we currently have a lot of domains we snatched up in a lot of different niches and people are flocking to get their PR3 Homepage links in the niche of their choice. This is a working method right now but should not be your only source of "SEO" The proper way to do it is to get the domains, and make sure they stay in the state that you got them in. Add some new content, expand the sites a little bit, submit them to the Google Reconsideration tool, and try and stay on top of making them legit sites.

      That's some horrible advice.

      The domains do not have to stay the way they were. You can build them into whatever you want them to be really.

      No reason to "expand the sites a little bit". You can make smaller sites that retains the PR throughout the site more efficiently.

      Absolutely no reason to submit a reconsideration request on them. I cannot think of one good reason to do that. Terrible idea. If you are building out a private network, the last thing you want is to give Google a reason to snoop around it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BuyExpiredDomains
    Originally Posted by Adrianne_ View Post

    I've been researching the method of buying expired domains
    with high page rank, then linking it to your website to increase
    your own page rank. Sounds easy enough but does it really
    work, is my question? I'm wondering if you can maintain your
    page ranking from the expired domains or will it slowly trickle
    away.
    You can definitely maintain it if you add content and keep it as current as possible. Expired domains are a good way to boost your page rank if done right. Another good option is finding good closeout domains with page rank and buying those domains on the cheap to help your site. All in all this is just one SEO method you can use but being diversified is the best way to increase you sites page rank and visibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I would just buy the domain name and then link it to an offer that can bring me new and fresh traffic every single day. That will mean new sales too.

    I don't think that it will make any difference in your ranking though.
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  • Profile picture of the author discustipated
    Originally Posted by Adrianne_ View Post

    I've been researching the method of buying expired domains
    with high page rank, then linking it to your website to increase
    your own page rank. Sounds easy enough but does it really
    work, is my question? I'm wondering if you can maintain your
    page ranking from the expired domains or will it slowly trickle
    away.
    I use them to increase my search engine rankings. I could care less about increasing my Page Rank. Isn't going to make you any cash, unless you're selling PR links.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    I just bought a PR3 with multiple PR3-PR6 backlinks (dofollow). This domain was based around a project (national news coverage on major news sites at one time) that has been over for a few years now. A main keyword of mine is in the URL and the main keyword in the anchor text is this keyword too..

    relevant content is a must otherwise you will be penalized with a manual review if a bot doesnt catch you first.

    301 redirect (permanent) and voila a percentage of all that link juice (PR, anchor text, etc.) will pass.

    It a good way to link build just make sure you CHECK OUT THE DOMAIN AND LINKS!

    Check history, blacklists, etc.

    Don't over do it. too much 301 redirecting for the sole purpose of passing link juice will get google suspicious (matt cutts even said this in a vid)

    In the end you better have a quality site you are linking to otherwise those high PR links wont matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sprout Income
      I can attest it does work, however as many mentioned above you do really do have to know what you are doing. Example, check PR (real PR not fake), check to see if the domain was used in a spammy way in the past, you can verify this by checking the Wayback Machine. Also if you need to find them, here is one place for finding expired domains. Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Kherk Roldan
    Hi. i just want to ask, because i brought expired domain from health niche, but my blog that im going to use for adding backlinks to health niche is an Internet Marketing niche, is it possible?

    In short, i have a blog for internet marketing niche and I'm planning to post contents to the expired domain that i brought which is health niche. is it possible? does still help my internet marketing niche to get rank?

    Thanks
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    I prefer finding Dropped Domain.
    But sometimes it very fast to be taken by other people
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    I am testing out some High PR domain links and will let you know about the results
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    • Profile picture of the author sitehero
      I've been researching this quite a lot recently and it certainly can work for you if you do it properly. If you do it to improve PR, you need to consider how google might evaluate them links so for starters you need to register that high PR domain using a different email, name, and address from your main site. So the Whois data is different. Ideally, I would register with a different domain registrar too although this is not critical. What is critical is, the hosting IP address so make sure you use a different hosting account. This is where it can get complicated because obviously one high PR domain isn't enough and if you have 100 high PR domains on a separate hosting account pointing to your main site, this will look odd and unnatural. So, the trick is to spread the domains out as much as possible and not having too many in the same account. Utilize free services etc.

      Personally, I'd rather go for expired domains with high traffic because these will eventually earn you natural pagerank as well as giving you the social proof that Google loves. Obviously you need to find relevant traffic but this is much less risky than manipulating Google.

      Interesting topic though. Today I actually saw a domain with a genuine 10/10 PR score being offered for $350. Unbelievable.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by sitehero View Post

        Interesting topic though. Today I actually saw a domain with a genuine 10/10 PR score being offered for $350. Unbelievable.
        It was not a genuine PR 10. Don't kid yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    You can easily make a 301 redirect from the expired domain, and get the SEO juice passed to your website.

    However, do not forget that penalties will be also passed to your domain

    Also, for maximum SEO Juice you must do a 301 redirect instead of 302 redirect. 301 redirect is "permanent", while 302 is temporary in Google's eyes
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  • Profile picture of the author Sprout Income
    There are places to buy these valuable expired domains to boost your sites or PBN. Such as expireddomains.net and domainpeel.com is another good one.
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