Private Blog Network Without Expired/Dropped Domains

by dannyl
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Hi,

I am looking at setting up a private blog network. The obvious route to go with this seems to be to buy expired or dropped domains. The problem is by the looks of things every man and his dog look to be doing this now so the domains are going to be harder and harder to find, especially one related to your niche.

Are people creating blog networks with new domains? Ie register a new domain and backlink that, either by using software or manually. I can't imagine a piece of software would be able to get a page any higher than a PR3 alone but a blog network of lots of PR3 sites would still be pretty handy wouldn't it?

What are people's thoughts?

Thanks,
Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    PR3's are okey as long as they are legit. Actually, you can find PR3's for $30-$50 if you look deep enough on different forums (DP for example). This expired/dropped domain is good, but it's pretty saturated in the .com/.net/.org biz. I managed to get a decent PR6 for $20, but it's .se.. Actually I bought a heckload of deleted domains with sick backlinking profile. My fingers are crossed and I'm waiting for the PR update. However, it's much more safer to get domains/sites that already have a pagerank and sites that are not dropped/deleted.

    imho, it takes a lot of time to start buying new domains and start making backlinks to them...
    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      PRdrop.info is my preferred route...I find great deals there all the time...
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by rjames View Post

        PRdrop.info is my preferred route...I find great deals there all the time...
        That its free is about the only thing going for it. One of the worst services I have seen.If people are going to be spending their hard earned money buying domains its nonsensical to only use free tools that give little data and focus mostly on Godaddy auction where the good domains get bid through the roof .

        Doing that they will end up spendng the money in poor domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author dannyl
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          That its free is about the only thing going for it. One of the worst services I have seen.If people are going to be spending their hard earned money buying domains its nonsensical to only use free tools that give little data and focus mostly on Godaddy auction where the good domains get bid through the roof .

          Doing that they will end up spendng the money in poor domains.
          What tools would you recommend for finding the expired domains? There seems to be lots of these websites about that are just pretty much a filter for the Go Daddy auctions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

            What tools would you recommend for finding the expired domains? There seems to be lots of these websites about that are just pretty much a filter for the Go Daddy auctions.

            Register compass. Godaddy is about the worse place to buy domains (still do because they have so many). Everybody doing a WSO or an ebook concentrates on them so thosuands are pouring over the same domains and the bidding format there allows anyone to enter bids at any point in the auction. that leads to some ridiculous prices.

            People who say they pick up PR4s for $30 and $40 on Godaddy are picking up trash without good backlinks. Theres a reason no one bid more.
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            • Profile picture of the author dannyl
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Register compass. Godaddy is about the worse place to buy domains (still do because they have so many). Everybody doing a WSO or an ebook concentrates on them so thosuands are pouring over the same domains and the bidding format there allows anyone to enter bids at any point in the auction. that leads to some ridiculous prices.

              People who say they pick up PR4s for $30 and $40 on Godaddy are picking up trash without good backlinks. Theres a reason no one bid more.
              Great I'll check them out, thanks for the tip
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          That its free is about the only thing going for it. One of the worst services I have seen.If people are going to be spending their hard earned money buying domains its nonsensical to only use free tools that give little data and focus mostly on Godaddy auction where the good domains get bid through the roof .

          Doing that they will end up spendng the money in poor domains.
          Exactly, sometimes saving money actually costs you money.
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    • Profile picture of the author dannyl
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      PR3's are okey as long as they are legit. Actually, you can find PR3's for $30-$50 if you look deep enough. This expired/dropped domain is good, but it's pretty saturated in the .com/.net/.org biz. I managed to get a decent PR6 for $20, but it's .ee.. Acutally I bought a heckload of deleted domains with sick backlinking profile. My fingers are crossed and I'm waiting for the PR update. However, it's much more safer to get domains/sites that already have a pagerank and sites that are not dropped/deleted.

      Good luck
      Thanks for the reply, ah perhaps if it easy enough to get PR3s then I'll stick with that route.
      Are you using something similar to Haydens method which goes looking for the completely dropped domains or something based on Scrapebox/Go Daddy auctions?
      We tried using Haydens method but after numerous tries it didn't bring back many decent domains.
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      • Profile picture of the author online only
        Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

        Thanks for the reply, ah perhaps if it easy enough to get PR3s then I'll stick with that route.
        Are you using something similar to Haydens method which goes looking for the completely dropped domains or something based on Scrapebox/Go Daddy auctions?
        We tried using Haydens method but after numerous tries it didn't bring back many decent domains.
        Well PR3's are not the strongest, but in most cases they might do the trick and they are better than nothing + they are cheap.
        Yea, I used Hayden method (manual). At first I tried to get .net/.org/.com, but after a while i realized it takes a lot of time and it's really saturated. So yeah, I moved on to foreign domains..
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

        We tried using Haydens method but after numerous tries it didn't bring back many decent domains.
        Its become saturated. thats what happens when too many people learn how to do something. online only is legit about foreign domains. You can find some gems in them. the down side is often they have some specific requirements in regard to whois privacy, home address etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author irishsolar
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      PR3's are okey as long as they are legit. Actually, you can find PR3's for $30-$50 if you look deep enough on different forums (DP for example). This expired/dropped domain is good, but it's pretty saturated in the .com/.net/.org biz. I managed to get a decent PR6 for $20, but it's .se.. Actually I bought a heckload of deleted domains with sick backlinking profile. My fingers are crossed and I'm waiting for the PR update. However, it's much more safer to get domains/sites that already have a pagerank and sites that are not dropped/deleted.

      imho, it takes a lot of time to start buying new domains and start making backlinks to them...
      Good luck
      Where did you get your domains? I am finding it very difficult to find domains that have valid PR. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    I currently do exactly that, buy domains and turn them into fully fledged websites to add to my network for link building on a regular basis.

    My advice would be to not channel yourself into one specific method for picking up domains. I buy expired domains, dropped domains, new domains, and even other peoples parked domains.

    The more diverse your network, the more effective it will be. That is my rule of thumb anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author dannyl
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      I currently do exactly that, buy domains and turn them into fully fledged websites to add to my network for link building on a regular basis.

      My advice would be to not channel yourself into one specific method for picking up domains. I buy expired domains, dropped domains, new domains, and even other peoples parked domains.

      The more diverse your network, the more effective it will be. That is my rule of thumb anyway.
      Thanks for the reply, you make a good point. When I first started with SEO I was looking for the one magic type of backlink but realised it's best not to just stick to one type of backlink and I guess the same theory applies to this.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

    Hi,

    I am looking at setting up a private blog network. The obvious route to go with this seems to be to buy expired or dropped domains. The problem is by the looks of things every man and his dog look to be doing this now so the domains are going to be harder and harder to find, especially one related to your niche.

    Are people creating blog networks with new domains? Ie register a new domain and backlink that, either by using software or manually. I can't imagine a piece of software would be able to get a page any higher than a PR3 alone but a blog network of lots of PR3 sites would still be pretty handy wouldn't it?

    What are people's thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Dan
    I do it this way, but I have PR pages to use to link to the new domains. Since I've been doing it like this since 2006, many of the domains have aged.

    As you probably figured out, most expired domains are nothing that impressive. They have a few links and some PR.

    Almost any domain will get to PR3 when enough time passes. It's up to you if you want to save time by buying expired domains or save money by building your own. Over a long enough span of time - it hardly matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyl
    Sorry I don't understand this line, what is online only?
    online only is legit about foreign domains
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

      Sorry I don't understand this line, what is online only?
      online only is legit about foreign domains
      Sorry should have Capitalized that and said MEMBER Online Only (he posted above).
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  • Profile picture of the author wally247
    It doesn't matter if everyone is doing this, because most of them are probably doing it wrong. And there are plenty of them, you just have to look around. Yes, if you use Godaddy auctions and see a domain with 0 bids you will not be picking it up for $5, but you can still get it cheap.


    I've picked up 3 X PR3 domains in the last week for a TOTAL of $60 and they are fine. Forget making your own high PR's with software though, because that will take ages. Just find cheap domains and you're set.
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    • Profile picture of the author dannyl
      Originally Posted by wally247 View Post

      It doesn't matter if everyone is doing this, because most of them are probably doing it wrong. And there are plenty of them, you just have to look around. Yes, if you use Godaddy auctions and see a domain with 0 bids you will not be picking it up for $5, but you can still get it cheap.


      I've picked up 3 X PR3 domains in the last week for a TOTAL of $60 and they are fine. Forget making your own high PR's with software though, because that will take ages. Just find cheap domains and you're set.
      Hi,

      What method are you using to find the domains, are you using one of the various ways that links into the Go Daddy domains or a site similar to the one mentioned above?

      Thanks,
      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author wally247
        Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

        Hi,

        What method are you using to find the domains, are you using one of the various ways that links into the Go Daddy domains or a site similar to the one mentioned above?

        Thanks,
        Dan
        Hey Dan,

        I use expireddomains.net and i click on "other domains' instead of "deleted domains"


        Then I select "GD Closeouts" which are buy now sites that nobody else wanted, but don't let that fool you...there are still some good ones in there.


        Set your filter for PR2 minimum and check "no fake PR" and "no unsrue PR's" and then search.


        You will of course need to your due dilligence to make sure the site is healthy and check the links in majesticseo or ahrefs or whatever, but it's a great starting point.

        Godaddy will charge you a small fee + the price of the domain, but I haven't paid more than about $22 so far.


        For PR4+ sites the pickings are slim, so those will use the traditional auctions and all of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by wally247 View Post


      I've picked up 3 X PR3 domains in the last week for a TOTAL of $60 and they are fine. Forget making your own high PR's with software though, because that will take ages. Just find cheap domains and you're set.
      I'll send $60 to you right now and you will end up getting them free If I look at them and they are solid PR3s with good backlinks. Seriously I am tired of people making these claims. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Shucks I may well have to pay up because you might have lucked out but I doubt it enough to make the $60 offer. (I'll also have to see the auction verifying you paid that)

      In order to get three domains for $60 you will have to buy them in the closeout bin for $5 because by the time GOdaddy adds their charges you are at the $20 mark. not buying it. Not good solid PR3s. There is a TON LOAD if misinformation out there by people peddling WSOs and Ebooks about godaddy auctions. 90%+ of the domains int he closeout section have gone through auctions and no one wanted them so they end up selling for Under $15 (plus registration fees etc that take them over $20). 99.95 percent of the time they are faked, missing links or the links are suspect whihc is why no one bid on them when they went through regular auction.

      Anyone can buy PR3s with little or no links because Google only updates their public toolbar once every three months ( and frankly even then its not accurate on MANY domains for many months - Google does not give a flying leap about giving accurate PR to marketers, link sellers and domain buyers/sellers). There are too many people looking for domains and tools that scour Godaddy for anyoen to regularly get good PR3s for $20.

      The only real action going on now for that cheap is in the foreign TLDs that are not selling at the top domain auction locations and most tools do not report on.
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      • Profile picture of the author wally247
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I'll send $60 to you right now and you will end up getting them free If I look at them and they are solid PR3s with good backlinks. Seriously I am tired of people making these claims. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Shucks I may well have to pay up because you might have lucked out but I doubt it enough to make the $60 offer. (I'll also have to see the auction verifying you paid that)

        In order to get three domains for $60 you will have to buy them in the closeout bin for $5 because by the time GOdaddy adds their charges you are at the $20 mark. not buying it. Not good solid PR3s. There is a TON LOAD if misinformation out there by people peddling WSOs and Ebooks about godaddy auctions. 90%+ of the domains int he closeout section have gone through auctions and no one wanted them so they end up selling for Under $15 (plus registration fees etc that take them over $20). 99.95 percent of the time they are faked, missing links or the links are suspect whihc is why no one bid on them when they went through regular auction.

        Anyone can buy PR3s with little or no links because Google only updates their public toolbar once every three months ( and frankly even then its not accurate on MANY domains for many months - Google does not give a flying leap about giving accurate PR to marketers, link sellers and domain buyers/sellers). There are too many people looking for domains and tools that scour Godaddy for anyoen to regularly get good PR3s for $20.

        The only real action going on now for that cheap is in the foreign TLDs that are not selling at the top domain auction locations and most tools do not report on.
        I'm not a typical Warrior who pops off in forums. I PROMISE I did my due diligence.


        Of course they are my part of my new and growing network now, so you'll forgive me if I don't share with you.


        I checked them for fake PR which is about as easy of a thing as a person can do, and they are fine.


        They don't have 10,000 links which is true, but I checked the links and they have not (yet) been deleted, and are from good sources. Sure, they MIGHT be deleted at some point but that's with ANY domain you buy...I can't control that other than making sure they are legit from the start.


        The domains are healthy, and the inner pages even had PR1 or PR2 on one of the sites.


        I promise, I am NOT like the other people here who read something once and then spew it out all day....I actually learn things.


        And just to be fair to the people who pay $200+ for a PR5 and are considered "legit" that's nonsense too. I've seen TONS of PR5 and PR6 domains with hardly any backlinks or shitty ones on GD sell at auction for way more than they are worth because people don't know what they are doing.


        Are my PR3's the best thing ever? Probably not, but they are already in 1 week showing their worth and they will make it possible for me to buy some badass PR5+ domains very soon. I do realize a LOT of people here just speak without doing or testing, but I am not one of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyl
    Another thing, when do people find it makes a bit difference what it actually is. For example if there was a gem of a domain called computertips.com but your website was about diet tips, would it make a huge difference if you used that domain? I know everyone goes on about relevant backlinks but does it make that much difference?
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

      Another thing, when do people find it makes a bit difference what it actually is. For example if there was a gem of a domain called computertips.com but your website was about diet tips, would it make a huge difference if you used that domain? I know everyone goes on about relevant backlinks but does it make that much difference?
      I have seen no evidence that it matters through the hundreds of domains ive bought...i do this all the time...i have never once paid attention to what the domain used to be...
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

    Hi,

    I am looking at setting up a private blog network. The obvious route to go with this seems to be to buy expired or dropped domains. The problem is by the looks of things every man and his dog look to be doing this now so the domains are going to be harder and harder to find, especially one related to your niche.

    Are people creating blog networks with new domains? Ie register a new domain and backlink that, either by using software or manually. I can't imagine a piece of software would be able to get a page any higher than a PR3 alone but a blog network of lots of PR3 sites would still be pretty handy wouldn't it?

    What are people's thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Dan
    You can't create a power-filled network with new domains... you gotta get those domains with PR... this is where the juice lies!

    Forget about everyone who says you should stay away from Go Daddy... they do not know that there are over 20 000 domains been turned over in the auctions daily and within those there are many gems that fall through the cracks.

    You just need to go through the closeouts each day and you will see many valuable PR 2 and 3 domains. You can use Ddrop to speed up the process (there is a WSO somewhere). These domains are like $20-30!

    Once you making money the next step will be for you to invest in more powerful domains... this when you will need to invest in a tool like Register Compass to find good PR5's.

    Thereafter use the PR5's to make a ton of PR2's and 3's... this is where the magic lies but the GD domains is a great start!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by IM Ash View Post

      they do not know that there are over 20 000 domains been turned over in the auctions daily and within those there are many gems that fall through the cracks.
      Yes ASh we all don't know about Godaddy and the domains they have :rolleyes:

      Rarely does any domain "fall through the cracks". Tools abound all over the internet that cover almost every domain dropping or auction on Godaddy. Throw a few filters on Register compass or dropday and the 20,000 drops to a few hundred , more filters and you can go through the good ones in about an hour. Its nowhere near all overwhelming as you suggest so that people who do this practically for a living are missing great domains at godaddy.

      You just need to go through the closeouts each day and you will see many valuable PR 2 and 3 domains. You can use Ddrop to speed up the process (there is a WSO somewhere). These domains are like $20-30!
      closeouts went through auctions and no one wanted them. Staggering the amount of ignorance out there. Most PR3s in the closeout bin are weak stuff not solid PR3s. I extend the same offer to you. I'll give you $60 for any three good Pr domains you show me . You get the $60 and you keep the domains.

      I am betting I will have no takers.

      Godaddy is a start to learn not just dive in and buy garbage. By the time you slap in the other costs people are unwisely paying $30-$50 for PR3s that are in Google's eyes PR1s and PR2s

      Unfortunately far too many people still don't know that toolbar PR is seldom ever the real PR Google is working with and updates internally daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyl
    Thanks for the tips. I've just been having a look on expireddomains.net - this domain has come up as one that has been dropped today: electric-efficiency.com

    It's a PR3 and looking at archive.org does look like it has been a proper energy efficiency site at some point but it's backlink profile is terrible. How is it a PR3 site still or is is just a case that the Google toolbar hasn't updated?
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  • Profile picture of the author danielph
    Well it is everytime better to buy a domain or site that have yet some history and good pr, backlinks. Becouse with new websites it take a lot to move up, but if you have time you can do this
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  • Profile picture of the author magzik
    Ive built 2 types of blog network one consist of random godaddy expired domains pr 2-4 took me around 2 months to build around 150 blogs from bidding and developing, each site cost around 30-50 on average. My other network consist of deleted domains with high pr authority links from sources related to my niche(ex. entrepreneur.com on bizops niche or bankrate.com on finance niche) and the best thing is that most sites have decent link profiles and have heaps of niche related links.It took me around 3 days to filter and register the best 100 deleted domains related to my niche and cost around 5-8 dollars each with coupons. After the pr update those deleted domains went as high as pr 4 - nearly identical in terms of pr to the network i built exclusively with godaddy auctions the only advantage i can see with godaddy is age. So if you wanna build a network on where you can sell links go with godaddy, on the other hand if you want a network just to rank your main sites go with the deleted blogs approach it cost much cheaper and its all niche related(satellite sites).
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  • Profile picture of the author nikita12
    Hi Dan,

    Based on my experience, the following is the average I've paid for expired domains.

    PR 3 - $50 - $100
    PR 4 - $100 - $200
    PR 5 - $200 - $400
    PR 6 - $400+

    I have sometimes paid more, sometimes less, but the above range is good to judge with. There will be a lot of people saying that I have overpaid, but I do a thorough research and have found that good and verified domains are not found much cheaper than this.

    I also stay away from closeout domains. These have been seen by thousands of SEOs and generally are worthless. Any good ones will get picked up before they hit the $5 mark.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nikita12 View Post

      Hi Dan,

      Based on my experience, the following is the average I've paid for expired domains.

      PR 3 - $50 - $100
      PR 4 - $100 - $200
      PR 5 - $200 - $400
      PR 6 - $400+
      Thats pretty accurate and no you did not overpay. People who think that there are so many domains expiring so they are picking up good domains that have slipped through the cracks in the closeout bin don't understand that thousands of people using tools that filter all the PR N/A, 0s and 1s make volume a non issue.

      There are only a few hundred good domains each day and its EXCEEDINGLY Rare that a good domain doesn't get bid on because the market is so full of people using these tools. Many of them are so experienced they can filter through the good domains in under an hour.
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      • Profile picture of the author wally247
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats pretty accurate and no you did not overpay. People who think that there are so many domains expiring so they are picking up good domains that have slipped through the cracks in the closeout bin don't understand that thousands of people using tools that filter all the PR N/A, 0s and 1s make volume a non issue.

        There are only a few hundred good domains each day and its EXCEEDINGLY Rare that a good domain doesn't get bid on because the market is so full of people using these tools. Many of them are so experienced they can filter through the good domains in under an hour.
        It is pretty rare for a good one to slip through. If you see one on GD with 0 bids, you can be sure that tons of people will still bid on it.


        I've also noticed that people seem to OVERbid which drives the price up, which sucks. I think people who haven't checked out the site see PR5 and they just open their wallets.
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        • Profile picture of the author kobi
          hi wally how do i get in touch with you i can't pm yet and your blog doesn't seem to have a contact page

          thanks
          Kobi
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      • Profile picture of the author tsx
        Completely agree with Mike in this thread.
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats pretty accurate and no you did not overpay. People who think that there are so many domains expiring so they are picking up good domains that have slipped through the cracks in the closeout bin don't understand that thousands of people using tools that filter all the PR N/A, 0s and 1s make volume a non issue.

        There are only a few hundred good domains each day and its EXCEEDINGLY Rare that a good domain doesn't get bid on because the market is so full of people using these tools. Many of them are so experienced they can filter through the good domains in under an hour.
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        • Profile picture of the author kobi
          Also wanted to know would you buy a high pr domain that is not indexed by google?
          cheers.
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          • Profile picture of the author squadron
            Originally Posted by kobi View Post

            Also wanted to know would you buy a high pr domain that is not indexed by google?
            cheers.
            To me, high PR means it is indexed by Google. If you find a high PR domain (based on some toolbar), that is not in the Google index, then check its backlink profile. If no backinks, then walk away.

            Through 301 chaining it is easy to fake PR that is not detected by the most common PR checking tools.
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            • Profile picture of the author barefut
              Originally Posted by squadron View Post

              To me, high PR means it is indexed by Google. If you find a high PR domain (based on some toolbar), that is not in the Google index, then check its backlink profile. If no backinks, then walk away.

              Through 301 chaining it is easy to fake PR that is not detected by the most common PR checking tools.
              What about when you do a info: lookup? I have seen sites with no results for info:domain.com but lots of results for site:domain.com

              I usually start with a info: lookup. If there isn't one, I move on . .. .. .
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      • Profile picture of the author pagemoney
        Mike, i am curious to have your input on this: domain privacy.

        Worth it? I am building various money sites, feeder sites (using expired domains) with dedicated ip adresses, but i was wondering if it is worth the cost to get domain privacy?

        Doesn't Google have access to registrar information anyways? Any input would be awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

    Hi,

    I am looking at setting up a private blog network. The obvious route to go with this seems to be to buy expired or dropped domains. The problem is by the looks of things every man and his dog look to be doing this now so the domains are going to be harder and harder to find, especially one related to your niche.

    Are people creating blog networks with new domains? Ie register a new domain and backlink that, either by using software or manually. I can't imagine a piece of software would be able to get a page any higher than a PR3 alone but a blog network of lots of PR3 sites would still be pretty handy wouldn't it?

    What are people's thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Dan
    Especially if you build real sites up on those new domains and rank them so they get real traffic then back links from those sites are even more valuable then when you directly buy an expired domain.

    What you can do is buy a few dozen dropped/expired domain and use those to back link the new domains. Absolutely a winning strategy.

    The reason you won't see such blog networks very often is that it takes a lot more effort and money then just buying an expired domain and throwing blog posts at it with links to money sites.

    It's something I am personally very much attracted to but as said, it's just way too time intensive when you have to take care of 100's of very low budget clients or in other words just not profitable. It definitely is something that I want to do for my larger clients in the very near future.
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  • Profile picture of the author grexley
    Dan,

    I have a small network of new domains. I had to spend more time and money to build up their PR then it would have cost me to buy expired domains. However, I do see an impact from them and over the long run, I expect this network to be more stable.

    Passing PR through expired domains has become a major SEO technique. Everyone knows about it, and any expired domain with PR is being purchased for SEO purposes.

    It is just a matter of time before Google shuts down this loophole too. They have a list of all the domains that have expired and it wouldn't be that hard to wipe the PR from those domains in their algo. Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't done it yet.
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    • Who cares if Google wipes the PR when the domain expires...PR is just a filter when looking for expired domains because there is (maybe) some authority with a high PR domain. It's the link juice that matters not the PR. Also if PR goes away, some other statistic like MozRank or Domain Authority or Majestic's stats will fill the gap.

      Honestly I wish Google would wipe all PR...it is so stale already that the stat is almost worthless to me, but I have to consider it when buying a domain in the event I need to re-sell it... it needs to have PR because people think PR is important. Ridiculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author barefut
    I've heard that Google will take away PageRank if you do not put privacy protection on after an auction (GoDaddy). Is that true?

    If it is, that changes the game a lot! Services like NameJet and SnapNames don't even offer it.
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    • Profile picture of the author micksss
      Originally Posted by barefut View Post

      I've heard that Google will take away PageRank if you do not put privacy protection on after an auction (GoDaddy). Is that true?
      You heard wrong, not true. It is not a requirement to keep PR after an auction. But any extra anonymity is always a good thing online. I do domain privacy on all of my domain registrations simply because I don't want some wacko/spammer/scammer doing a whois search and calling me about this or that wasting my time.
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      • Profile picture of the author BuyExpiredDomains
        Originally Posted by micksss View Post

        You heard wrong, not true. It is not a requirement to keep PR after an auction. But any extra anonymity is always a good thing online. I do domain privacy on all of my domain registrations simply because I don't want some wacko/spammer/scammer doing a whois search and calling me about this or that wasting my time.
        You are right. You do not need to setup domain privacy to retain page rank. I recommend it these days as well. So many people look you up when you first register a site and call you to offer you their services. Its a pain!
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  • Profile picture of the author pagemoney
    What about domain privacy for covering your footprints with Google? That is the only reason why i can justify another $10/year per domain.

    If Google has access to registrars, doesnt that defeat the purpose? Someone set us straight with this... Mike Anthony?
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  • Profile picture of the author Earl Gray
    Well, if you can afford "dedicated ip adresses", than a few $ worth whois privacy should not be a doubt.
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