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Hey everyone, catchy title eh? I need some advice from my fellow Warriors who are willing to help me out with this questions. Good informative responses are guaranteed a "post thanks".

Anyhow, my name is John as some of you already know, and today, my direct in house business partner, DEUTSCHWULF (which I hope will weigh in on this post as well), had a meeting with one of our two investors today here at the office. We were talking about our struggle to drive relevant local traffic to our website that would convert into a lead. We ended up sending tens of thousands of dollars with a SEO company that had boasted reviews and ratings, which were also promoted on topseo.com however we had no idea that that website allowed you to pay for reviews. BS, right?

Anyhow, the tens of thousands of dollars spent with this particular company, we were not able to get any local key words of relatively low completion. Our website New Cars, Used Cars | Search at AgentAuto.com relies on traffic to create leads so that we can help the visitor connect with a dealership, however, the best part about our site is the fact that a consumer has to pay NOTHING to make a lead. (we make money when we generate free leads obviously.)

We have hired a new Search Engine Expert and his name is Musa_Aykac and we have extreme faith that he is going to help us break this local market that we are in, that will actually take our company to the "black" as cashflow is concerned. So far he has been a great guy to visit with, and I recommend his services as far as real guest blogging is concerned.

NOW, The REAL FREAKING QUESTION

How do you keep investors investing? Cashflow. How does a company like ours break cash flow? Traffic. How do we get traffic? SEO and PPC and conventional advertising. Whats the cheapest long term advertising? SEO.

My question is, how do you build a website to where Google absolutly has no doubt that you OWN THAT MARKETPLACE. You search for a subaru in new york, you will be served ads from Subarus being sold in New York. If you search for a Subaru in our location, we dont show up locally. What is the best way to make it absolutely known to Google that YOU ARE IN MONTANA, in the BILLINGS area. And hell, when billings people are searching for cars locally, our business is the place to use to find them all?

At the moment im more concerned about ranking locally, we have AWESOME content pages for landing pages, thats not the issue, and they are really well optimized. We just need to break these petty key words that have 1,000 searches a month so that we can drive some damn traffic!

All advice is welcome, advice that people put thought to will most certainly get a thanks.

Thank you,
John - King Mighty
#conquered #google #read #sin
  • Profile picture of the author DEUTSCHWULF
    Right now, in order to boost our authority for this specific area we're schema markup in our local listings area in order to help the search engines associate our site with our given area; we've also got a Google Places account up and running (though it doesn't seem to be showing up very often currently). Our hope is that when we gain some traction in this area we'll be have the authority to move into larger markets.

    My thought it it may just come down to content, though I'd very much like to get some divergent opinions from people. We're trying to keep the site simple and clean for the visitors, but obviously that counts for very little if the site isn't performing.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I looked at your on-page SEO & it looks weak.
    • Your only instance of the main keyword (Bozeman Audi) points to a .png image of a map, from this page.
    • Your keywords in the URLs are only after the question mark which Google is most likely ignoring (typically an onsite search phrase after the question mark).
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Yukon, I would assume you are referring to our home page, we are not ranking our home page but internal landing pages. For example
    Billings Used Cars - New and Used Cars, Trucks, SUV's
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      Yukon, I would assume you are referring to our home page, we are not ranking our home page but internal landing pages. For example
      Billings Used Cars - New and Used Cars, Trucks, SUV's
      I'm talking about the entire site.
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      • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        I'm talking about the entire site.
        That's pretty heartrenching to hear since we spent so much damn money on it
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Another example.

    This is a random page, this page has zero local keywords on the page, I assume it has zero local keyword anchor-text pointing too the page.

    I'm not suggesting to stuff keywords, but it doesn't really look like your targeting local keywords at all.

    Is this van in Dallas, TX, or Akron, OH?
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    • Profile picture of the author DEUTSCHWULF
      We can definitely put locations in the listing along with the appropriate markup; we were concerned about giving people too much information because people were bypassing the contact form and just using Places to get phone numbers for dealerships.

      Also, since the site is based around search criteria, search pages are generated with that question mark. The vehicles aren't broken down into categories, so I'm not sure how we would be able to get around that problem. Htaccess?

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Another example.

      This is a random page, this page has zero local keywords on the page, I assume it has zero local keyword anchor-text pointing too the page.

      I'm not suggesting to stuff keywords, but it doesn't really look like your targeting local keywords at all.

      Is this van in Dallas, TX, or Akron, OH?
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    I guess what the previous SEO company was trying to drive traffic to landing pages, which then users would begin searching for their next car after hitting the landing page itself. I see your point however and will address it
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      I guess what the previous SEO company was trying to drive traffic to landing pages, which then users would begin searching for their next car after hitting the landing page itself. I see your point however and will address it
      You have 34,000 pages indexed, If most of those pages are sales pages (vehicles for sale) it's kinda silly IMO to not optimize those pages (the majority of your site/pages) for your local keywords.

      Right now local traffic will never find that van sales page above (example) while searching Google unless they search for the model of the vehicle (2010 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT Van Passenger) which isn't a local keyword.

      At the very least you should include local area codes, zip codes, & town names that the traffic will be searching from, even surrounding areas of a zip code the target traffic is searching from wouldn't hurt.

      All that can be fixed, it's not like it's a total loss, but with 34k pages that would take some work.
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      • Profile picture of the author DEUTSCHWULF
        Listings are generated from a single file, so that wouldn't take long to fix at all. Thanks for the advice, Yukon. Both King and myself very much appreciate it.
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        • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
          Originally Posted by DEUTSCHWULF View Post

          Listings are generated from a single file, so that wouldn't take long to fix at all. Thanks for the advice, Yukon. Both King and myself very much appreciate it.
          Yes much appreciated that you weighed in a bit, thank you man.
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      • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        You have 34,000 pages indexed, If most of those pages are sales pages (vehicles for sale) it's kinda silly IMO to not optimize those pages (the majority of your site/pages) for your local keywords.

        All that can be fixed, it's not like it's a total loss, but with 34k pages that would take some work.
        As always, "What Yukon said". Exactly what I was going to say.

        With that many pages, you need to bulk them up. That means either optimize them for specific keywords OR add some unique content.

        If you're site hasn't been hit by Panda yet, there's a good chance that it will.

        Here's exactly what I'd do:

        1. Get a list of ALL of the keywords you want to rank for (I'm sure it's a lot...but probably not 34k).

        2. Write a USEFUL article for each one. Do some basic on-page SEO.

        3. Delete any page that doesn't target one of your keywords or is otherwise empty/boilerplate stuff (except the obvious blog posts, about us page etc.).

        4. Start building links to the entire site to build domain authority.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Sits the core of the site is Wordpress, I bet we can find some way to dynamically implement they key words onto each page without being a huge hassle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      Sits the core of the site is Wordpress, I bet we can find some way to dynamically implement they key words onto each page without being a huge hassle.
      I'm going to disagree to an extent and say the obvious and that is that theres no way you can or need to optimize each of those pages. The best you can do is include location of the dealership/car.

      Your SEO is correct in concentrating on the main landing pages. That to me is where you have some big issues.

      To be flat out honest the site doesn't command respect (and that affects both conversion and people linking to it organically) and to be honest again I think the main reason is here

      the core of the site is Wordpress
      I don't know what to make of this page for example

      Local Dealers | AgentAuto.com

      I actually tried to load it up in another browser because I figured something must not be showing. This looks better and more that I could work with as an SEO

      Bozeman Audi, Profile | AgentAuto.com

      but I am not certain what I would do with that first page link. Part of that I think does have to do with stretching wordpress to do things it in my opinion is still not good at. Look at what could be had from drupal with the installation of a theme

      Browse our Cars | CarDealer - HTML5 & CSS3 Drupal Theme for creating Car Classified Sites, Car Dealer Sites and Car Rental Agencies

      I could sink my teeth into pages like that as an SEO and the features of the site is what I would expect from a highly professional car dealership site (theme is under a hundred dollars). THeres nothing you can't add and refine from there in a drupal site. You can make entirely new categories and views in the admin area (takes a bit to learn though no doubt) without touching code.

      I had a client two years back in a similar directory niche (jobs related). Real nice guy but no matter what I tried I couldn't do much for him. The sit ehad almost no original content. It just pulled in items. That wasn't the problem though. Its that the system was so rigid I couldn't implement half the content ideas I had.

      BTW any SEO that doesn't suggest a complete content and on page SEO overhaul is going to waste more of your money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Curious though If you have a SEO you trust then why are you relying on Forum posters some who have never ranked a business site? I would think he has a plan of action ready to go already.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    IMO the biggest problem from a user/traffic point of view would be the vehicle images are not very useful (just my opinion).

    I've personally shopped for cars online, the only cars I considered had the real photo of the car/s. I would never in a million years inquire about a car that had a canned image that was found on the internet. I need to see the real car that's for sale, the more detailed the images, the better, I want to see all four sides of the car, the interior, the engine compartment (bare minimum for me).

    I would be surprised if this image below ever created a sales lead for a 2010 used car in 2013:

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    • Profile picture of the author tofrar
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      IMO the biggest problem from a user/traffic point of view would be the vehicle images are not very useful (just my opinion).

      I've personally shopped for cars online, the only cars I considered had the real photo of the car/s. I would never in a million years inquire about a car that had a canned image that was found on the internet. I need to see the real car that's for sale, the more detailed the images, the better, I want to see all four sides of the car, the interior, the engine compartment (bare minimum for me).

      I would be surprised if this image below ever created a sales lead for a 2010 used car in 2013:

      I so agree with this above. Photo sell in this case !!
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    The sad thing about the images is the fact that those "canned" images are being provided by the actual car dealership selling the car lol
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      The sad thing about the images is the fact that those "canned" images are being provided by the actual car dealership selling the car lol
      I'm not surprised, probably the main reason they're not getting more leads online from their own dealership sites.

      The best sites I've found when shopping for a car were mostly small time car dealers with a small inventory, they take the time to show the real car (plenty of real images). Their sites are usually low budget, but the images help show what's actually for sale.

      Something to consider If you want to boost leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Yeah I know a few websites that give really good API calls for AWESMOME images that dont look stock either.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Not trying to derail the original questions but I wanted to stress my point on how much influence images of the real new/used car have on a buyer.

    Carmax is a popular car site, the brand isn't as impiortant to me as the number of images that Carmax has for this same model car as the car you have listed on your own site.

    I'm not trying to dis. you or your site, I'm just saying images are what the traffic wants. I guarantee Carmax knows that images create buyer leads online.

    I guess my point is, a few highly detailed pages would probably bring in more leads than the 34K canned sales pages that don't show the actual car being sold. If your local to the car dealer/s you might consider taking your own photos of a few cars & create very detailed sales pages that target local traffic.

    I know the detailed images would be massive work, but you have to be better than the competition & give traffic what they want. Right now, your doing exactly what the dealerships are doing, who your trying to generate leads for (I guess the dealer has a site). Sounds like the dealership/s with the canned images doesn't know much about online traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

    NOW, The REAL FREAKING QUESTION

    How do you keep investors investing?
    You shouldn't take a project in the first place when you can't deliver results.
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    • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      You shouldn't take a project in the first place when you can't deliver results.
      Taking and continuing to invest are two different things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      You shouldn't take a project in the first place when you can't deliver results.
      lol. One should not post when one does not read the OP. They have not taken any job. the site is theirs.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Site looks nice, just needs some On-Page & off-page SEO work.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    34,000+ unoptimized pages will get buried in Google SERPs. If a page and it's links doesn't target a local/target keyword it's not going to rank for a local keyword, simple as that.

    Doesn't matter If you rank #1 for a local keyword, there's no incentive for traffic to ever contact you as a lead.

    When a person makes a major purchasing decision like buying a car/truck, they rarely do it on a knee jerk reaction, especially on the net when there's thousands of other sites that show what they're actually buying.

    I would fall back & reconsider the whole business plan until you can show traffic what they're actually supposed to be contacting you for in the first place (an actual vehicle).

    [edit]
    Some of the things I've said in this thread might sound harsh, but I'm telling you straight up, no schmoozing or fluff.
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  • KingMighty, I'm surprised that you are using Wordpress for something so database intensive, my first choice would be Joomla and second Drupal. How is WordPress working for you. Are you using an off the shelf database or a custom one.

    We are a car exporter in Asia, Europe and Australia so in related field sort of. We don't get many people here from Automotive industry so nice to have some company.
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    • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
      Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

      KingMighty, I'm surprised that you are using Wordpress for something so database intensive, my first choice would be Joomla and second Drupal. How is WordPress working for you. Are you using an off the shelf database or a custom one.

      We are a car exporter in Asia, Europe and Australia so in related field sort of. We don't get many people here from Automotive industry so nice to have some company.
      Custom database. Its working well actually and has really allowed us to wrap a lot of custom work around the website very easily.
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      • Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

        Custom database. Its working well actually and has really allowed us to wrap a lot of custom work around the website very easily.
        In Joomla you can get some very powerful automotive databases so had you chosen Joomla you would have 90% of required functionality out of the box and the rest of features you could have commissioned. If you have already invested in reinventing the wheel you could monetize it by offering it for sale as there don't seem to be many solutions like this for Wordpress environment.
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        • Profile picture of the author mightygeek
          Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

          Wow! Thanks for a very comprehensive analysis, I learned many things. We export cars from Thailand, Dubai, Australia, UK, Singapore and Japan and it has been very difficult to rank high in local searches. For instance we do well in searches for "Toyota Hilux Vigo" but if a customer types "toyota hilux vigo thailand" we are sometimes not even on second page. The same is true of searches for all other vehicles we sell. Is there a way to use these indicated insights to optimize for cities and countries?

          Hie Jim Quraishi,

          I just evaluated your ranking reports for some 13 keywords based on your toyota car's page.

          To be said, you have 12 keyword's on #1 page & positions from 3-12.

          I will be sending you my evaluated results, don't want to make it public.

          My advice would be......

          1)Since you are physically located business, you have more chances of getting leads for 4 places >USA, UK, THAILAND, AUSTRALIA.

          2)Yes, you can optimize your local dealership pages with local search engine's.

          3)Create Google local pages for your 4 physical dealerships.

          Quality guidelines >> Google Places quality guidelines - Places for business Help

          4)Create individual & unique pages for these 4 dealerships and make schema for these dealership individually with exact location address.(very strict)

          ex: By using navigation or using sidebars, connect these 4 dealer pages to home page.

          5)Get citations for these 4 local pages and improve rankings.

          6)After successful lead, ask your customer to leave a review on your webpage or in local Google page.

          7)Make sure the URL structure wouldn't make up a mess.

          -In Thailand page, add only Thailand related cars and articles or pages.

          8)For example,


          For title use:- location+title
          For meta description:- keyword+description+location+phone number.

          9)Get citations as much as possible, these are like link juice in organic seo.


          Some handy advice's:-

          1)Redesign your website & implement it in cms.

          - Your website is currently a static one, so you would be having a lot of seo works to do *manually*
          -Opt for cms based website, *WordPress* recommended.
          -Use good seo plugin, Yoast has a premium local seo plugin(recommend)

          2)Newspaper advertisement works pretty good for local deals.
          3)Use complete and real pictures of your vehicles & try to make video reviews whenever you get a new vehicle and share it in top 5 video sharing websites.
          4)Use image microdata, for vehicle pages.
          5)Use review microdata, for vehicle pages.
          6)Last but not least. Use phone number for CTA(call to action) wherever it needed.
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          • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
            Originally Posted by mightygeek View Post

            Hie Jim Quraishi,

            I just evaluated your ranking reports for some 13 keywords based on your toyota car's page.

            To be said, you have 12 keyword's on #1 page & positions from 3-12.

            I will be sending you my evaluated results, don't want to make it public.

            My advice would be......

            1)Since you are physically located business, you have more chances of getting leads for 4 places >USA, UK, THAILAND, AUSTRALIA.

            2)Yes, you can optimize your local dealership pages with local search engine's.

            3)Create Google local pages for your 4 physical dealerships.

            Quality guidelines >> Google Places quality guidelines - Places for business Help

            4)Create individual & unique pages for these 4 dealerships and make schema for these dealership individually with exact location address.(very strict)

            ex: By using navigation or using sidebars, connect these 4 dealer pages to home page.

            5)Get citations for these 4 local pages and improve rankings.

            6)After successful lead, ask your customer to leave a review on your webpage or in local Google page.

            7)Make sure the URL structure wouldn't make up a mess.

            -In Thailand page, add only Thailand related cars and articles or pages.

            8)For example,


            For title use:- location+title
            For meta description:- keyword+description+location+phone number.

            9)Get citations as much as possible, these are like link juice in organic seo.


            Some handy advice's:-

            1)Redesign your website & implement it in cms.

            - Your website is currently a static one, so you would be having a lot of seo works to do *manually*
            -Opt for cms based website, *WordPress* recommended.
            -Use good seo plugin, Yoast has a premium local seo plugin(recommend)

            2)Newspaper advertisement works pretty good for local deals.
            3)Use complete and real pictures of your vehicles & try to make video reviews whenever you get a new vehicle and share it in top 5 video sharing websites.
            4)Use image microdata, for vehicle pages.
            5)Use review microdata, for vehicle pages.
            6)Last but not least. Use phone number for CTA(call to action) wherever it needed.
            We tailor to franchise dealerships, which can not accept leads from third world countries or aka "exporters". This is a federal law in the USA
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            • Profile picture of the author mightygeek
              Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

              We tailor to franchise dealerships, which can not accept leads from third world countries or aka "exporters". This is a federal law in the USA
              I still didn't had a clue on what you just said :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
                Originally Posted by mightygeek View Post

                I still didn't had a clue on what you just said :rolleyes:
                It is hard for our company to offer leads from an out of country source. Legally, per the USA government, we can not offer leads from places like india and so forth
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                • Profile picture of the author mightygeek
                  Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

                  It is hard for our company to offer leads from an out of country source. Legally, per the USA government, we can not offer leads from places like india and so forth
                  OK! Now i just understood.

                  Well the reply is actually for Toyota Hilux Dealer, who has five dealership's, i just replied him a way to optimize his physical dealer pages in one website for cities or location. Simply 5-in-1 method.

                  I guess, from your post, it attracted two same & related business members.

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          • Originally Posted by mightygeek View Post


            I just evaluated your ranking reports for some 13 keywords based on your toyota car's page.

            To be said, you have 12 keyword's on #1 page & positions from 3-12.

            I will be sending you my evaluated results, don't want to make it public.

            My advice would be......
            Wow! Thanks for putting all the hard work in evaluating my site both here and in PM. I will go through it and get back to you. I love all the concrete advise. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    there's seo and then there's local seo

    if you highly optimize your site for onsite local seo, you would barely need backlinks

    you're dealing with cars, no matter what you'll need good backlinks

    but it starts with on site seo, you basically HAVE to tell google that you're local, and you're not, you've recognized this... the only way to do that is onsite seo. (and i'm actually a hater of onsite seo, but it's absolutely essential for local seo)

    get a real local seo expert, looking at your site, whois, and all that, you do NOT have an expert.
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  • Profile picture of the author mightygeek
    Hello kingmighty,

    I just considered of evaluating your website: autoagent.com, to be precisely said, it's not upto the mark. It's very sad that you shed over sump of money to optimizer's.

    When i first loaded into the landing page....

    "Hmm, pretty impressive"

    Checked to source page - "title-ok" "meta description-ok" "meta locale-ok" "using cdn-????"

    But seriously, where is content!

    Things to cover:-

    Home page

    1)Site structure
    2)Site load speed(first:7.4 sec, second:2.03 sec) effective use of cache
    3)Use CDN(combination of w3-toal-cahce and cloudfront would be great & reliable)
    4)Usage of alternate text for image optimization
    5)meta description, keyword not available in all pages.
    6)Improve content in every page(highly recommend)
    7)Make use of H1 tag(recommend) -home page

    Inventory page

    When i saw the source page .....

    oops "no meta-description" "no-keyword" -hard to find in google

    Things to cover:-

    Inventory:-

    1)Meta description(highly recommend)
    2)Use cdn to store static files i.e; images, js, css
    3)Increase social rankings(fb, twitter mainly)
    4)OMG! no image optimization. Use alt tag for every image!
    5)Internal anchor text usage(within domain)
    6)No matter what anchor text gives juice! (inbound, outbound) -OPTIMIZE

    These are some on-site advice i can give. Without these, you shouldn't move for off-page optimization

    Well getting into local traffic:-

    This can be easily achievable, it's not a rocket science!

    For local traffic:-

    1)Use keyword+city(or)locality in title & meta tags, if so any in meta-keyword.
    2)Your dealer profile has review-cum-comment box, make the same for "inventory" & "vehicle profile page"
    hint:- use snippet
    3)To boost trust, place trust symbols
    4)Write more in vehicle profile description!
    5)Use meta-tag in vehicle profile description page(highly recommend) & inventory pages too!
    6)Some people may be lazy at typing for info, use Phone number(your companies) as call to action! Do some A/B while getting traffic.
    7)Never use content from any other source, write upto your own! -specially in vehicle profile page. As classified website's are more usually hit by algorithm updates!
    8)Usage of image microdata, since it deals with city, name, description.
    9)If you are targeting a local, make sure to implement these k-strategies
    in url: keyword+city | business name
    in meta description: keyword+city+description
    in content: keyword+content -density(1-4)


    What is the best way to make it absolutely known to Google that YOU ARE IN MONTANA, in the BILLINGS area. And hell, when billings people are searching for cars locally, our business is the place to use to find them all?
    -This is because of competition!

    If you want to leverage heavy traffic for any keyword the visitor entered locally, you have to show the location schema of your dealer.

    Process:-
    *When visitor search for x-car-2013 + new york or any city
    *search engine shows up schema type first, thus resulting in .....

    x-car-2013 + your-dealers-address | your business name

    This results in showing up your website page in top#

    I mean, using location(small business) schema of dealer in vehicle profile page, rather than your inquire box!

    if you do so, the visitor may straightly call up the dealer from your web-page due to dealers schema markup and you *loosing* back-end leads!

    So! better chance to pickup traffic/leads from your website is from keywords. The so called local thing doesn't work!

    Choose highly targeted keywords and use it wisely where it needs. As from your web-source files, i saw that you are not using any seo plugin's right? Try some, it comes in handy & reduces a lot of work.

    Some handy advice's

    1)Try to redesign your website if you are serious into business, anywhere from(3000-7000$)
    2)Use some newspaper advertisement
    3)Use local radio advertisement
    4)Use flyers to get deals(good chances)
    5)Never try to implement fake review's!(very strict)
    6)If visitor came to your website & inquired you & got a lead, after successful purchase, ask to write a review, if they like! [converts simply]

    Anyway, hope your website get's more & more leads and becomes one of the top leading auto websites in your locality! Wishes in advance!

    -MightyGeek
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    • Originally Posted by mightygeek View Post

      Hello kingmighty,

      I just considered of evaluating your website: autoagent.com, to be precisely said, it's not upto the mark. It's very sad that you shed over sump of money to optimizer's.



      -MightyGeek

      Wow! Thanks for a very comprehensive analysis, I learned many things. We export cars from Thailand, Dubai, Australia, UK, Singapore and Japan and it has been very difficult to rank high in local searches. For instance we do well in searches for "Toyota Hilux Vigo" but if a customer types "toyota hilux vigo thailand" we are sometimes not even on second page. The same is true of searches for all other vehicles we sell. Is there a way to use these indicated insights to optimize for cities and countries?
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Firstly, I am not an SEO service provider... all I do is SEO my personal niche websites like most others on this forum.

    Take this FWIW:

    My first approach to SEOing a site like yours will be to look at the type of keywords I want to rank for and how my on-page navigation will help me achieve this with minimal off-page work.

    So for instance if I want to dominate the following type of KWs:

    "car brand" + "for sale" + "city"
    eg: sabaru for sale new york

    Then I will look at how best to achieve this with my onpage structure/navigation. The best step to take next will be to do a few searches on Google for these type of keywords and see which site is already dominating.

    I see AutoTrader all over the show and that is no surprise... just look at this page of theirs that depicts a part of their on-page navigation: Browse New, Certified and Used Cars for Sale by Make and Model or by City - AutoTrader.com

    From that page you can ask your SEOer to drill down and he will see the relationships between the KWs and the site structure/navigation as well as URL structure which is helping AutoTrader rank so well for those type of kws.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hi,

    Since you've had a lot of SEO advice I'll make my comments from a slightly different perspective.

    When someone is out looking for a new car they can go straight to Ebay and similar sites and see almost every car available in their local area (because most local dealers also advertise their cars on Ebay) plus any other regional car advertising sites.

    These will have all the details, price, images etc. of the cars and the contact details of the seller.

    So..... my question to you is - Why should they come to your site in the first place?

    What is your USP?

    If I did a search and your site came up and I realised I had to submit a form just to get more information - I'd click away and go looking elsewhere, and probably find better information.

    I'm not trying to be negative about your site or your business - just giving you the simple question about what value you are bringing that means people should look for a car via your website.

    If you can answer that question - you should make your answer more obvious in the message of your site.

    For example, if you advertise a lot of Dodge Vipers then instead of just having a form to submit a request for information - that form could be to submit a request for information PLUS a guide for "the right questions to ask when buying a Dodge Viper".

    As that type of detail may be more than you can handle right now - something like a "car buyers tips to getting the right car at the best price" sort of guide might make some people take the time to fill in your form as they get something useful even if they don't end up wanting to buy the car.

    Also - I think it would help you if there was some local social proof, for example, some videos of local people who found their car from using your service, so that others can see that it's useful and why. Also, if you feature local people - they're likely to tell others about your site (because they want their friends to see them in the video).

    You get what I'm saying?

    There's a LOT more like that which you could consider.

    Andy
    p.s this stuff all helps with local SEO and SERPs too. Videos can rank well - and above all of the websites for some search phrases.
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    • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hi,


      When someone is out looking for a new car they can go straight to Ebay and similar sites and see almost every car available in their local area (because most local dealers also advertise their cars on Ebay) plus any other regional car advertising sites.

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      You have to keep in mind that almost 100% of car inventory websites in the USA share inventory with people like Autotrader, cars.com and so forth
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

        You have to keep in mind that almost 100% of car inventory websites in the USA share inventory with people like Autotrader, cars.com and so forth
        That's what I said.
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  • Profile picture of the author Earl Gray
    I've visited some of your inbound links, they aren't from topic related websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Exactly, which our last company that did our SEO did not do any. Ive gotta find niche related sites to help us out,
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Ah okay, and we are direct, meaning no sharing is going on
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    yeah theres not much we can really do about that, I mean even Autotrader and others suffer from Dealer stock
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    I just checked the Carmax van link I posted above, with the 35 images. I can't prove it's already sold but the page is gone, I should have copied the VIN# (I didn't think about the VIN# when I first posted).

    This car is not available

    We're sorry, but the status of this car has changed since you initially viewed it, and it is not currently available for sale. We update our website inventory frequently, in order to provide you with the most accurate information possible.
    I know you probably don't want to keep hearing about detailed images, but that's what the traffic/leads want (details).
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Yeah we are trying to figure out what to do about that, I think we have a solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    KingMighty, I looked at your site and just wanted to give you my perspective.

    Last October, I totaled our car. My wife and I wanted a similar car, so we knew the make, model, year range, and price range. We looked on the web at several sites similar to yours.

    If I had seen your site and it covered our area, I would have still passed on it and clicked back to the search engine for other listings. Why?

    Because:
    1. On your home page, I have to type in the make and model and no option was given for year range. Since I am not a good speller, I want drop down menus so that I can simply click on the make, model, year range, and possibly price range.

    2. You do not give the location of the car. While it is nice to know what may be available, I want to see the car. I want to call to make sure that the car is still available and then I want to go see the car. (We found that most of the cars on the internet had been sold and were no longer available. It was a waste of time to go to look at a car without calling in advance to make sure that the car was still for sale.)

    3. I am not going to give anyone my name and contact info just so a salesman can call me. If there is some incentive such as a free CarFax report, discount, etc, I might consider giving my name and contact info, but I certainly would not give them without an incentive.

    One service that it appeared that no one offered was an alert service. We knew what we wanted, but no one on the web asked us or had a form to fill in asking us what we wanted and offering to email us if such a car became available.

    As for SEO, I believe that you really need to beef up your home page for Billings, Montana, and surrounding areas. Work in the names of some of the surrounding towns and counties. Also, on the individual car pages, more detailed info and photos with proper alternate text will help.
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    • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
      Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior View Post

      KingMighty, I looked at your site and just wanted to give you my perspective.

      Last October, I totaled our car. My wife and I wanted a similar car, so we knew the make, model, year range, and price range. We looked on the web at several sites similar to yours.

      If I had seen your site and it covered our area, I would have still passed on it and clicked back to the search engine for other listings. Why?

      Because:
      1. On your home page, I have to type in the make and model and no option was given for year range. Since I am not a good speller, I want drop down menus so that I can simply click on the make, model, year range, and possibly price range.

      2. You do not give the location of the car. While it is nice to know what may be available, I want to see the car. I want to call to make sure that the car is still available and then I want to go see the car. (We found that most of the cars on the internet had been sold and were no longer available. It was a waste of time to go to look at a car without calling in advance to make sure that the car was still for sale.)

      3. I am not going to give anyone my name and contact info just so a salesman can call me. If there is some incentive such as a free CarFax report, discount, etc, I might consider giving my name and contact info, but I certainly would not give them without an incentive.

      One service that it appeared that no one offered was an alert service. We knew what we wanted, but no one on the web asked us or had a form to fill in asking us what we wanted and offering to email us if such a car became available.

      As for SEO, I believe that you really need to beef up your home page for Billings, Montana, and surrounding areas. Work in the names of some of the surrounding towns and counties. Also, on the individual car pages, more detailed info and photos with proper alternate text will help.

      As far as the car location is concerned, your able to determine that the car is in your location because it say specifically that the car is so many miles away from you. We took the dealer names off the website simply because those where were interested in a car would by pass the lead form and just call them, making a lead leak. Thanks given
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