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How Aggressive Does Panda Allow Us To Be Now?

by bcmwp
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I'm working on Adsense placement for my new site, and I'm wondering how aggressive Panda now allows us to be before penalizing us. My current plan is to put one 250x250 ad in the top left of my article, one 300x250 ad right under the search bar at the top of my sidebar (which is on the right), and one 300x250 ad under each article. The site is 1000 px across, so I'd love to find some way to work in the new 970x90 leaderboard.

How aggressive are we now allowed to be before getting hit?
#aggressive #panda
  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    There's no specific answer as it depends on your site's design.

    It's all about how much content you have above the fold. You can have quite a few ads up top but you need some content in there too to make Big G happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    Panda is chasing thin affiliate/adsense sites. I think if you provide useful content without any grammatical errors and you have more than 100 indexed pages then should be more than safe. I don't really think it depends about the ads, since many authority sites have tonloads of ads above the fold and they still rank #1 for hundreds of keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      Panda is chasing thin affiliate/adsense sites. I think if you provide useful content without any grammatical errors and you have more than 100 indexed pages then should be more than safe. I don't really think it depends about the ads, since many authority sites have tonloads of ads above the fold and they still rank #1 for hundreds of keywords.
      UHUMMMMM......

      Just ranked a site with 25 indexed pages and tons of grammar mistakes and it's now receiving 200+ unique visitors/day so your post is wrong in every single way.

      Sure it is chasing thin affiliate sites so you often won't get away with 3-4 page sites but saying that you need 100 pages...

      It also makes no sense to start comparing to authority sites as they get away with far more things then some brand new site with a few dozen pages.

      Back ontopic: You don't have to go aggressive with Panda at all as it won't make a difference, I tested it myself recently where I compared 25 pages and the ones that have like 1-2% density and kw's in h1, h2 tags as well as img alt tags are not performing any better oppposed to the pages where the main kw is only present in the title and throughout the content but not in the direct order of the phrase. In fact the pages that are "well" optimized according to SEO plugins are performing slightly worse.
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      • Profile picture of the author online only
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        UHUMMMMM......

        Just ranked a site with 25 indexed pages and tons of grammar mistakes and it's now receiving 200+ unique visitors/day so your post is wrong in every single way.

        Sure it is chasing thin affiliate sites so you often won't get away with 3-4 page sites but saying that you need 100 pages...

        It also makes no sense to start comparing to authority sites as they get away with far more things then some brand new site with a few dozen pages.

        Back ontopic: You don't have to go aggressive with Panda at all as it won't make a difference, I tested it myself recently where I compared 25 pages and the ones that have like 1-2% density and kw's in h1, h2 tags as well as img alt tags are not performing any better oppposed to the pages where the main kw is only present in the title and throughout the content but not in the direct order of the phrase. In fact the pages that are "well" optimized according to SEO plugins are performing slightly worse.
        Interesting. Let me know if it's still ranking after the update.
        100 indexed pages was a bit too "much" I agree, you can get away with way more less, but still it's wise to do more than less. Of course only if you have some "value" to provide.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by online only View Post

          Interesting. Let me know if it's still ranking after the update.
          100 indexed pages was a bit too "much" I agree, you can get away with way more less, but still it's wise to do more than less. Of course only if you have some "value" to provide.
          Which update?

          As far as I see it everything is now part of the algorithm so changes are instantly visible or in other words: a site won't even rank in the first place when there is too much wrong.

          For example try to rank some auto generated Amazon site with scraped content, you'll see that it's impossible to get such sites moving.

          For link building the same thing applies, if you start randomly spamming then your site just won't move or worse tank. There is no need to wait for an update it all happens automatically.

          There are still a few exceptions but mostly you notice it right away when doing stuff wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        UHUMMMMM......

        Just ranked a site with 25 indexed pages and tons of grammar mistakes...
        Go buy a spell checker, good grief.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Go buy a spell checker, good grief.
          Nah it converts way too well
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      • Profile picture of the author run
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        In fact the pages that are "well" optimized according to SEO plugins are performing slightly worse.
        I feel lose now, I don't know which way to go because information overloaded. That's why some folks told me not to read a lot.

        Some SEO told to do like this, and some told to do like that which is contrary in a term!
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by run View Post

          I feel lose now, I don't know which way to go because information overloaded. That's why some folks told me not to read a lot.

          Some SEO told to do like this, and some told to do like that which is contrary in a term!
          Test things yourself & you'll know what works for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author run
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Test things yourself & you'll know what works for you.
            Yeah! That's nice, I'll try testing out by using Nik0 style.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I tested it myself recently where I compared 25 pages and the ones that have like 1-2% density and kw's in h1, h2 tags as well as img alt tags are not performing any better oppposed to the pages where the main kw is only present in the title and throughout the content but not in the direct order of the phrase. In fact the pages that are "well" optimized according to SEO plugins are performing slightly worse.
        Dude this must be like the 6th test I have seen you claim to have run in as many weeks. Your testing and testing time must suck.
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        • Profile picture of the author HanifQ
          HOT OFF THE PRESS!!!

          No one truly knows exactly what the Panda algorithm entails, and anyone who claims to have 'cracked the code' is either lying or is using very flawed logic/testing...the truth is no one has a clear answer...

          With that said, these are the thing that Google has officially mentioned about Panda, and here's some of the collective 'consensus' from the major players in SEO (SeoMoz, SearchengineWatch, SearchengineLand, and top underground players)...

          1) Affiliate/adsense sites are definitely on their radar (so theoretically, if each page on your site is plastered with naked affiliate links, such as 20+ naked affiliate links on each page, you may want to be a bit more cautious, just to be safe).

          2) Ads displayed above the fold is something Google explicity mentioned (in general, there seems to be a consensus that Ads shouldn't constitute more than 30% of your 'above the fold' space)

          3) Thin content (this one is the hardest to figure out, but in general, the more duplicate content your site has in relation to unique content, the higher the risk. BUT, keep in mind that many news site regularly syndicate duplicate content so there's no hard & fast rule...but then again, big news sites also have many other authority metrics)

          -- When it comes to thin content, I personally feel based on experience that smaller sites with 10-50 pages of content probably don't need to worry too much about 'thin content'...just make sure the content's unique...I don't think spelling/grammar make a huge difference because many influential/high-ranking bloggers out there use a ton of slang in their posts.

          -- The bigger and larger your site is, the more you need to incorporate atleast some 'long form' articles and pdf documents into your site...again, this keeps you on the safe side and your users will appreciate it too, not to mention that it improve your site's visitor time which Google is MOST DEFINITELY tracking.

          -- If you're building mini-sites, my recommendation and the recommendation of many top affiliates such as Andrew Hansen is to build sites that have atleast 10 pages of unique content. This seems to be enough to get sites ranked.

          Other than that, just make sure to add media (images and/or videos) to each of your pages to improve your document's 'quality score'. Again, this is just a theory, there isn't explicit proof that adding media to your pages will improve your rankings...... but what we do know is that Google definitely indexes images and indexes videos on a page, so this theory has some evidence behind it.

          For mini sites, I think its far more important to focus on the right link-building tactics than to focus too much on 'Panda proof' content...

          But if you're building an AUTHORITY site for long-term profits and growth, focus on user value first and foremost and building a strong social network presence.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Dude this must be like the 6th test I have seen you claim to have run in as many weeks. Your testing and testing time must suck.
          Mostly when I change onpage things I see it reflect in the SERPS within days!

          Besides I think it's only test nr.2 or so.

          I think my other test was to see if poor written content would rank and 8 weeks after date I am at 200 unique visitors/day and in the last 5 days the site made $64,-
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by bcmwp View Post

    I'm working on Adsense placement for my new site, and I'm wondering how aggressive Panda now allows us to be before penalizing us. My current plan is to put one 250x250 ad in the top left of my article, one 300x250 ad right under the search bar at the top of my sidebar (which is on the right), and one 300x250 ad under each article. The site is 1000 px across, so I'd love to find some way to work in the new 970x90 leaderboard.

    How aggressive are we now allowed to be before getting hit?
    I would get rid of the one in the sidebar and leave the 970x90 leaderboard out as well, it's not so that more ads automatically leads to higher CTR's, in fact it can kill your CPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Throwing Ads all over the place on a page doesn't really do much besides add clutter. You would be better off placing Ads around your call to action, for me that's a download button on each page + top/center of each page, that's two Ads for the majority of my pages, a few pages have 3 Ads per page.

    I don't do articles, but If the content is an article I would test 1 Ad top/center of the page, 1 Ad below the 1st paragraph in the article, 1 Ad at the bottom of the article, 3 Ads total per page. I would imagine those are your hot spots on a typical article page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rebeccha Haase
    An ad unit at the bottom of article is not a bad idea. It does lead towards click on the advertisements. One banner ad at the sidebar is also a good idea I think. I do get some clicks regularly in the banner ad in my sidebar though the earning is not massive.
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  • Profile picture of the author tahir100
    Does Panda algorithm check only content uniqueness or there is something else to be careful of too
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      What does panda have to do with adsense?

      Originally Posted by Rebeccha Haase View Post

      An ad unit at the bottom of article is not a bad idea. It does lead towards click on the advertisements.
      That's what google says is good as well.

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      • Profile picture of the author bcmwp
        Thank you for the suggestions. It sounds like what I'm suggesting is probably safe.

        One specific question I still have, though, is whether or not ads inside the article content are especially penalized by Panda. My best performing ad is in the top-left of the content, so I'd like to know.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by bcmwp View Post

          One specific question I still have, though, is whether or not ads inside the article content are especially penalized by Panda.
          Ads inside of content have nothing to do with ranking a page in organic SERPs.
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