New google algorithm? SERPs hit massively!

11 years ago

Panda #24 and Panda #25 were in January and March respectively so in keeping with the 2 Month trend, there very well could have been one scheduled for the beginning of May.

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Enfusia 11 years ago

I just went and checked and 1 of my KW's dropped from #1 to #7 and one went from #9 to #2 so something changed. These are NOT new pages that are just bouncing.

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JSProjects

11 years ago

Sorry, but a few sites moving around does not = an algo change.

Sites move around all the time. Sometimes they totally vanish. Sometimes they drop a little. Sometimes they improve. I've got pages ranking on page 1 which really shouldn't be. But they are. And I'm sure they'll drop down a little pretty soon.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

It's time to retire this horse-crap about 'Panda' and 'Penguin' every time the SERPs change. Sites are always moving around due to geolocation and personalization.

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WordpressManiac

11 years ago

I recognized one of my keywords totally fall out of serps from page1 #2 to page 5, I didn't do any blackhat stuff and other keywords on this domain are still in place. Don't know what this means...

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Hansons

11 years ago

Well, my keywords are still there where it was before, so I don't think that there is any change in algorithm... right now.

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Cash37

11 years ago

How long are you going to play a game in which the rules are always changing? The only people winning are bending the rules, trust. Which is why the algo has to change so much.... at this point white hats will continue to flounder around and throw around theory while the others continue to kill the algo and rank....

*waits for someone to respond to this post emotionally*

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Cash37

at this point white hats will continue to flounder around and throw around theory while the others continue to kill the algo and rank....waits for someone to respond to this post emotionally

NO one need get emotional. You are just dead wrong. Every update I see more black hatters crying than white hatters (and boy are they ever emotional). Many White hatters work for well established companies and their sites are ranking well and stable in the top five last year the year before and this year.

What you are claiming is a myth created by Bhatters and those that follow them to feel better about themselves and their SEO. They point at long tail results in weak serps as their only evidence while you can't see them ranking in any mainline solid competitive serp.

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Cash37

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

NO one need get emotional. You are just dead wrong. Every update I see more black hatters crying than white hatters (and boy are they ever emotional). Many White hatters work for well established companies and their sites are ranking well and stable in the top five last year the year before and this year.

What you are claiming is a myth created by Bhatters and those that follow them to feel better about themselves and their SEO. They point at long tail results in weak serps as their only evidence while you can't see them ranking in any mainline solid competitive serp.

Sir may I direct your attention here: Let me google that for you

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Cash37

Sir may I direct your attention here: Let me google that for you

here let me read for you

while you can't see them ranking in any mainline solid competitive serp.

Payday loans is well know for the scuzzy people involved with it trying to rip people off with the high fees. ripoff artists are not mainline. What happened here bro

https://www.google.com/search?client...hannel=suggest

https://www.google.com/search?client...w=1360&bih=540

Seriously if Bhat SEO is so kick ass how come you never see them ranking for SEO?

Instead almost always the examples are payday loans, forex, pharmacy, casino gambling and porn. Now that doesn't mean that some black hatter can't rank but this crap about black hatters ruling the internet and white hatters get nowhere is just that - garbage. If the average user of Google only found sites that got there by bhat means then Google's results would suck. The truth is most users give pretty good results that deserve to rank.
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Bambu

11 years ago

Seriously?!? Do you even SEO, bro? I don't know what you are smoking, but the most competitive SERPs are owned by black hat SEO techniques...

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

NO one need get emotional. You are just dead wrong. Every update I see more black hatters crying than white hatters (and boy are they ever emotional). Many White hatters work for well established companies and their sites are ranking well and stable in the top five last year the year before and this year.

What you are claiming is a myth created by Bhatters and those that follow them to feel better about themselves and their SEO. They point at long tail results in weak serps as their only evidence while you can't see them ranking in any mainline solid competitive serp.

To answer the OP's question, I have not observed any ranking fluctuations in the SERPs I am observing.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Bambu

Seriously?!? Do you even SEO, bro? I don't know what you are smoking, but the most competitive SERPs are owned by black hat SEO techniques...

Really Dude. I mean wow. No um I don't own SEnukeXcr so I um don't do SEO cause ya need the blasting tools right? I mean to do great SEO? YOu got any nofollow blog comments cause I hear those really rank a site. I gots to learn me some SEO from you then bro. Maybe you can teach me how to build a SEO network too eh?

here take a draw on my spliff and look at the link below. Take away Gambling porn and ripoff things like pay dayloans and tell me how many top terms are dominated by Bhat over white hat.

50 of the Most Competitive SEO Keywords! - YouMoz | SEOmoz

You feeling high now too bro? Cool runnings I!! Grade A stuff we smoking now brodda. You see two of me? cause I seeing two of you.

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Bambu

11 years ago

Thanks for the link. It was an entertaining read. Especially, the comments. Many of which were critical of the list and the analysis used to prepare it. The Editor later felt the need to add a note at the top of the article to distance themselves from it.

A very large portion of the list you linked to are very broad generic terms that have little or no commercial intent.

Why would anyone invest considerable resources to rank for the terms "click here", "free", or "news" (Terms 1-3)? Even if you did rank, do you think the traffic you got from "click here" would convert well? I don't think so.

The commercial terms on that list are being SEO'd using techniques outside of Google's TOS. So, it would appear any search term with any commercial value on that list is being actively grey, black, blue, purple SEO'd

You and I appear to have a different definition of black hat SEO. You don't need to use automation tools to be a black hat SEO. You simply need to build links to your website with the intent of manipulating your search engine ranking.

This includes techniques that the big boy/brands do, such as paid advertorials on major websites.

Other techniques include building high PR networks, the usual spam automation tools, guest blogging (with the sole intent of passing PR), using 301 redirects to pass pagerank, hacking websites and injecting backlinks, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Really Dude. I mean wow. No um I don't own SEnukeXcr so I um don't do SEO cause ya need the blasting tools right? I mean to do great SEO? YOu got any nofollow blog comments cause I hear those really rank a site. I gots to learn me some SEO from you then bro. Maybe you can teach me how to build a SEO network too eh?

here take a draw on my spliff and look at the link below. Take away Gambling porn and ripoff things like pay dayloans and tell me how many top terms are dominated by Bhat over white hat.

50 of the Most Competitive SEO Keywords! - YouMoz | SEOmoz

You feeling high now too bro? Cool runnings I!! Grade A stuff we smoking now brodda. You see two of me? cause I seeing two of you.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Bambu

Thanks for the link. It was an entertaining read. Especially, the comments. Many of which were critical of the list and the analysis used to prepare it. The Editor later felt the need to add a note at the top of the article to distance themselves from it.

bla bla bla The author does not "distance" himself from it. He puts down some comments and clarifications that are entirely reasonable. You are just fudging it to save face after claiming I am smoking something and don't do SEO. any list is going to have a bit of subjectivity and leave out some terms. Thats all thats really in the comments. You are making up this big outcry in the comments to try and save your point.

A very large portion of the list you linked to are very broad generic terms that have little or no commercial intent.

sorry thats just flat out lying or YOU don't do SEO. take away

"click here" "free" and "buy"

AND EVERYTHING ELSE on that list has high monetary value, so saying "a very large part" is just fibbing. its 47 to 3 monetary terms

Why would anyone invest considerable resources to rank for the terms "click here", "free", or "news" (Terms 1-3)? Even if you did rank, do you think the traffic you got from "click here" would convert well? I don't think so.

Maybe you should think some more. I give you two of those and "buy" but "news"gets 9 million exacts a month and um news outlets charge for impressions (conversions in that case are 100%) and viewership in their advertising model. You are trying hard but it doesn't work and never will. Three terms does not invalidate the entire list.

Don't know how to monetize 9 million mostly new viewers a month who want to read news? Step aside. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

The commercial terms on that list are being SEO'd using techniques outside of Google's TOS

Give it a break. We both know you did not run a deep analysis of 250 of the sites (1-5) backlinks some of which have thousands of backlinks. you are just making claims because the list exposes the nonsense that white hatters don't rank for competitive terms. You can look for plenty of those terms and find pretty white and clean ( in google's eyes) sites ranking

You and I appear to have a different definition of black hat SEO. You don't need to use automation tools to be a black hat SEO. You simply need to build links to your website with the intent of manipulating your search engine ranking.

I am as grey hat as the next guy .I just get tired of all the garbage that only Bhat rules as if plenty of site don't get links naturally. Its a way for Imers to justify abusing other people's sites and doing a whole lot of crappy things.

This includes techniques that the big boy/brands do, such as paid advertorials on major websites.

Other techniques include building high PR networks, the usual spam automation tools, guest blogging (with the sole intent of passing PR), using 301 redirects to pass pagerank, hacking websites and injecting backlinks, etc, etc.

uh huh. delude yourself all you want that among the techniques the big boy brands do you can include "hacking websites" and "injecting backlinks":rolleyes:

come with some good solid stuff next time you want to tell someone they are smoking stuff and don't do SEO. If you do you won't have to waste time in your life trying and failing to argue with the facts to save face.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Bambu

Why would anyone invest considerable resources to rank for the terms "click here", "free", or "news" (Terms 1-3)? Even if you did rank, do you think the traffic you got from "click here" would convert well? I don't think so.

Again shows that you know nothing about SEO, you don't need to use a single anchor text link to rank for it.

My new site ranks for 9k+ exact buyer keywords and I haven't used that keyword in the anchor text's a single time.

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mraffiliate

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Again shows that you know nothing about SEO, you don't need to use a single anchor text link to rank for it.

My new site ranks for 9k+ exact buyer keywords and I haven't used that keyword in the anchor text's a single time.

I have to agree with you Nik0. I've been looking at local business websites the past few days that are ranked #1 and #2 on page one of Google for high competitive, highly searched keywords and they have zero keywords as the anchor text. Google is getting better at figuring out who is and who isn't trying to manipulate the serps.

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SEO Haven

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Really Dude. I mean wow. No um I don't own SEnukeXcr so I um don't do SEO cause ya need the blasting tools right? I mean to do great SEO? YOu got any nofollow blog comments cause I hear those really rank a site. I gots to learn me some SEO from you then bro. Maybe you can teach me how to build a SEO network too eh?

here take a draw on my spliff and look at the link below. Take away Gambling porn and ripoff things like pay dayloans and tell me how many top terms are dominated by Bhat over white hat.

50 of the Most Competitive SEO Keywords! - YouMoz | SEOmoz

You feeling high now too bro? Cool runnings I!! Grade A stuff we smoking now brodda. You see two of me? cause I seeing two of you.

Haha, entertaining post

Anyway, back to the subject, the last major change we've noticed was start/middle April, since then everything's as per usual.

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Cash37 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Bambu

Seriously?!? Do you even SEO, bro? I don't know what you are smoking, but the most competitive SERPs are owned by black hat SEO techniques...

those of us on both sides of the game understand this bro....

The MONEY MAKING terms are OWNED by high power BHSEOs....
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andrej

11 years ago

No any changes in the rankings of my websites.

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Slin

11 years ago

My keywords went up today, not down.

I don't see any major difference in my competitors, so I don't see any update.

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trade4861

11 years ago

I rank for tons of different keywords on various sites. Today I actually received more clicks then ever before....BUT, the only pages that fell in SERP's lately were two pages that I had manually linked to. No other page has lost rankings that I see.

Although I did have one other page that was ranking great until the person that submitted the article to my site created some backlinks to the page (roughly 10 links). Page went from first page to page 300 or something. On top of that it had a pagerank of 3. Google must be getting really good at penalizing unnatural linking.

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skyrider008

11 years ago

Few of my sites went up, so haven't seen much impact.

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Hansons

11 years ago

Originally Posted by skyrider008

Few of my sites went up, so haven't seen much impact.

Obviously, if you are doing quality works then your ranking would increase....

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paulgl

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Hansons

Obviously, if you are doing quality works then your ranking would increase....

Quality works? What the frick is that? Do you even read what you post, or
are you in auto-spam-reply-mode?

There is no guarantee of anything, no matter what you do.

The internet is not standing still. Give your comp a leg in, and they'll
take it.

So, if and when you get back to where you are, what are the sites that
dropped going to say? That they now have got hit with a penalty?

Google does not do negative SERPS. They don't show a new top 10 when
and if the current top 10 gets penalized. That would be crazy. They do
things on the positive. What are the top 10 best sites at this moment?
You disavow backlinks, or other such nonsense, and suddenly your
site is better than the rest? How so? You take over the top spot and
pat yourself on the back for good work. Someone replaces you, and you
think penalty.BUT....that person may be slapping themselves on
the back for "good work." So friggin twisted.

Paul

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Quality works? What the frick is that? Do you even read what you post, or
are you in auto-spam-reply-mode?

There is no guarantee of anything, no matter what you do.

The internet is not standing still. Give your comp a leg in, and they'll
take it.

So, if and when you get back to where you are, what are the sites that
dropped going to say? That they now have got hit with a penalty?

Google does not do negative SERPS. They don't show a new top 10 when
and if the current top 10 gets penalized. That would be crazy. They do
things on the positive. What are the top 10 best sites at this moment?
You disavow backlinks, or other such nonsense, and suddenly your
site is better than the rest? How so? You take over the top spot and
pat yourself on the back for good work. Someone replaces you, and you
think penalty.BUT....that person may be slapping themselves on
the back for "good work." So friggin twisted.

Paul

Seriously Paul, shouldn't you find a different hobby by now?

Every here and there I read that you don't even make decent money from SEO, still you are pretending to have knowledge on the subject while each single post that you make dis-proves that.

Doesn't make sense to me.

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Annie15

11 years ago

I don't see any fluctuations in my keywords positions. They seem to be in the same position as before.

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Slin

11 years ago

Can we define "Bhat" and white hat so I can know who to side with?

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Slin

Can we define "Bhat"

Some Indian Guy over on Fiverr. he charges $6 dollars though just to be different. Rips you off for the extra dollar but he ranks #1 for everything even for "Google adwords". I get a wicked conversion off that one for SEO.

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Kael41

11 years ago

God, that made me laugh this morning! Let me tell you about the time I met someone named Diep Disch..he pronounced it "Deep Dish". Yea I laughed..i'm a bad person.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Some Indian Guy over on Fiverr. he charges $6 dollars though just to be different. Rips you off for the extra dollar but he ranks #1 for everything even for "Google adwords". I get a wicked conversion off that one for SEO.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Some Indian Guy over on Fiverr. he charges $6 dollars though just to be different. Rips you off for the extra dollar but he ranks #1 for everything even for "Google adwords". I get a wicked conversion off that one for SEO.

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jaisonjohn

11 years ago

Its nothing but Google Dance is happening need not have to worry cross the keywords on daily basis,you will find that keywords are back one day and next day you check its again gone. From past couple of months there is no update about panda or penguin.

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smodha

11 years ago

Those of us who implement "Real Company Stuff" don't need to worry. Go look it up...

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larryboy03

11 years ago

Everything is still flying high for me

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GobBluthJD

11 years ago

This is why I got out of the Adsense game....so unpredictable.

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kindsvater

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ALearner

I just noticed SERPs changes to few of my websites resulting in drop of organic traffic.

Looks like google has come up with another algo. change! Any confirm news about this behavior. What do you think?

No question an algo change beginning late on the 7th Pacific Time. I've had numerous sites suddenly explode with abnormal levels of G traffic. In my experience, though, this type of spike is temporary. If you're on the wrong side of the change and having a traffic drop, just keep an eye on your sites. I'm not getting excited about a couple days of extra traffic.

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ChevyCam

11 years ago

Actually my traffic went high these days from google. For a few days i'm getting almost twice more traffic from google than before.

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Bambu

11 years ago

Looks like SEO Round Table and the peeps over at Webmaster Forum are seeing lots of movement:

Large Google Update Happening Now...

Google Updates and SERP Changes - May 2013 Google SEO News and Discussion forum at WebmasterWorld

Good luck everyone!