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Is there a safe, responsible way to use tools like SENuke or Magic Submitter?

by Honest Tune
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Or are they by definition "black hat tools"?
I am considering purchasing and using, and learning how to do link pyramids myself, but wondering if this is heading down the wrong road.
If there is "right" & responsible way to do this as a part of a larger, more comprehensive SEO strategy -- without jeopardizing my site (and my clients' sites) for future updates -- then I'm keen to know.

Thanks
#magic #responsible #safe #senuke #submitter #tools
  • Profile picture of the author kilobytestechnologies
    i think you should read senuke inferno..

    inferno has specified many ways to effectively use SENuke..
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    As a reformed black hat, I'd say these tools can't be used as part of a sustainable, white hat strategy.

    And if I was a client I'd be scared shitless if my SEO provider was building spammy tiered web 2.0 links.

    In my opinion you're better off spending the time you'd spend learning pyramid link building on content marketing and email outreach (like broken link building).

    Here are some white hat link building resources that I really like:
    44 Creative and Innovative Link Building Experts and Their Strategies | Kaiserthesage
    http://pointblankseo.com/creative-link-building
    Broken Link Building Guide: From Noob to Novice | SEOmoz
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Mass automation link building is - by definition - spam because it uses 'link schemes' that are outside of Google's guidelines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr SAI
    Originally Posted by Honest Tune View Post

    Or are they by definition "black hat tools"?
    I am considering purchasing and using, and learning how to do link pyramids myself, but wondering if this is heading down the wrong road.
    If there is "right" & responsible way to do this as a part of a larger, more comprehensive SEO strategy -- without jeopardizing my site (and my clients' sites) for future updates -- then I'm keen to know.

    Thanks
    Hi Thanks for your question. I'm keen to know too.

    Can I use this tools to submit articles to a big set of my OWNED network of sites???

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author webby0031
      hello mate, ive got every single piece of software out. You know what ? i dont use any of it, I just write content and try to get a few strong hr pr links. This has been far more effective than weeks and weeks of automated posting with senuke & magic submitter. I think senuke is good if you import your own selection of blogs and use it wisely.

      If your hoping to blast with senuke and magic submitter i think you may be disappointed. I myself did many blasts 6 months ago. I didnt gain anything positive from it and it took a lot of time ( if you do it properly ) . Looking at my sites 6 months on i see only very few indexed links after 1000's of links.

      If you really want to do this I would use GSA search engine ranker. I am not saying this is the right thing to do and I wouldn't do this this anymore. I do however have many links indexed from that tool but i dont recommend this tactic.

      My suggestion would be to purchase 3 strong expiring domains fill them with content related to your niche, use them to push yourself to the top. Cost would be between $500 - $800 for the domains and 3 individual hosting accounts. Remember you dont have to by them all at once.. add one and see how high you get in SERP.. if you need to be higher buy another high PR site and link it. Keep doing this until you are in the position you want to be in.

      3 Strong PR5+ with the same anchor text can push you to no1 for some high competition keywords, the question is can you stay there?
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    • Profile picture of the author petemcal
      Originally Posted by Mr SAI View Post

      Hi Thanks for your question. I'm keen to know too.

      Can I use this tools to submit articles to a big set of my OWNED network of sites???

      Thank you
      You can use it for whatever you like but unless your submitting manually written original content to your network of sites it'll be at very best grey hat.

      Like others have said spend your time on something quality with a bit of longevity. Then you won't have to go through a rinse and repeat spam blast routine. In fact the value compounds over time when doing things white hat. PLUS there are tools that can be used to scale and speed up white hat methods such as guest blogging & broken link building.
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      • Profile picture of the author Honest Tune
        These are the answers I was hoping I'd get.
        Think I am going to stick to my guns and keep at it the old-fashioned, white hat way.
        Content Marketing is definitely something that's only going to age better for me (and my clients) in the long-term - a long-term investment as opposed to a vicious link-pyramid cycle that would have me looking over my shoulder.
        However, the downside is that it's more labor-intensive (for me) and more costly for the client.

        Broken Link Building - I've heard of it, but dubious of the efficacy. Can someone illustrate a real-world example of how this works? It does seem like it would be have about a 10% success rate. Probably a good thing to outsource....
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    All of these are just tools. You use them how you wish.

    You can either use them for white, gray, or black hat purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Just tools like gyuman said.

    You can use them for spam if you want, just remember, the web2.0 sites that you post on are asking for content, if you give them good content then you're fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Slin View Post

      Just tools like gyuman said.

      You can use them for spam if you want, just remember, the web2.0 sites that you post on are asking for content, if you give them good content then you're fine.
      Are they asking for you to spin content, automatically create a fake account, then push link spam to that page?

      The only reason to automate a process like this is to spam. Nobody in their day to day lives has such a huge need to 'post content' that they have to 'scale it up.'

      IMHO there is no WHITE HAT way to use mass automation tools. If people here are actually using them in that manner, explain how
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      • Profile picture of the author webby0031
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

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        IMHO there is no WHITE HAT way to use mass automation tools. If people here are actually using them in that manner, explain how
        I use the automation tools only for account creations, it just speeds it up a lot. Is that white hat ?
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

          I use the automation tools only for account creations, it just speeds it up a lot. Is that white hat ?
          Using a tool to automate account creation is not inherently Black Hat.

          I guess the better question is: why are you doing so many 'account creations' in the first place?

          White Hat SEO involves nothing other than creating good content. Anything else is against Google's Quality Guidelines, which say:

          • Make pages primarily for users, not for search engines.
          • Don't deceive your users.
          • Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you, or to a Google employee. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
          • Think about what makes your website unique, valuable, or engaging. Make your website stand out from others in your field
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          If the accounts are being created in order to place content with links back to your main website than these guidelines are not being followed.

          True 'White Hat' SEOs don't create multiple Web 2.0 properties to link back to their main sites.

          99% of people who hang around SEO forums are going to be Gray or Black Hat because they'll at the very least violate the first guideline listed here.
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  • Profile picture of the author bryguy
    I agree with Slin and gyuman. It's all about how you use your tool ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author rjames
    anyone who says things like, tools are spammy, cant be used in a sustainable way, blah blah blah, simply doesnt know how to use the tools...if you load the tool spammy, its going to be spammy...that simple...whether you are building links yourself one by one, or with a tool, Google does not know the difference...the tool does what you tell it...if you tell if to do stupid things it will...

    fact is, in order to use a tool to begin with you REALLY have to know what you are doing in terms of building link profiles properly...if you dont...dont use a tool, because you dont know what you are doing to begin with...
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