Losing PR after buying expired domain

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I could have swore I asked this yesterday, but I can't find the post, so i don't know if I forgot to publish it, or the thread was deleted. I can't imagine why it would have been deleted, so I will ask again. If this IS a duplicate, I apologize, but I need to find out the answer, or at least suggestions. So with that said, i will ask my question.

I have bought a few expired domains recently. Mostly PR3. One I got immediately lost its PR ranking and went to nothing. I should have returned it, but I didn't.

I would like to know what people suggest I do to prevent losing the PR of any of these other domains. Would dripping fiver social links be advised? Or what, I don't have vast amounts of money to dump on them, so this has to be done on a budget. I would like to build them out and flip them shortly, hopefully with traffic going to them and even some revenue if possible, but that isn't my main focus right now.

So any suggestions, please advise. All ideas are welcome. Brain storming is always the best, that is what makes Warrior Forum such a fantrastic place to hang. Even dumb ideas can spur good ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author webby0031
    Hello mate,

    This all has to do with the quality of links the site has when you buy it.

    Its possible to have a HIGH PR site with loads of spammed links that will lose its rank quick. I know thats not going to help you now, but it may help you when buying another

    I have sites of PR5+ that have been sat with a holding page for 6 months and they have maintained PR. The reason for that is it has very good backlinks that have been there for years.
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    • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
      Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

      Hello mate,

      This all has to do with the quality of links the site has when you buy it.

      Its possible to have a HIGH PR site with loads of spammed links that will lose its rank quick. I know thats not going to help you now, but it may help you when buying another

      I have sites of PR5+ that have been sat with a holding page for 6 months and they have maintained PR. The reason for that is it has very good backlinks that have been there for years.
      Indeed, when it comes to PR domains its all about quality natural high PR backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    If you bought a domain that lost PR immediately, the PR was not real to begin with.

    PR flows through links. As long as the links are real and they stay, the PR will stay.

    A little bit of link degradation is normal over time. You can always build more links to maintain PR. Social links won't do anything for PR though.
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    • Profile picture of the author webby0031
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If you bought a domain that lost PR immediately, the PR was not real to begin with.
      Yep could of been a scammer boosting the site with his own PR blog, of course he breaks links once its sold and your PR goes. Although, it would be quite easy to see this when analyzing the backlinks

      Your problem is you didnt spend enough time analyzing the backlinks of the sites you were buying. Remember that next time, we have all made these mistakes
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  • Profile picture of the author danielph
    I have got the same problems this days, i was thinking that i have purchased a great domain, but nothing true, it was a fake pr, however you can try to build a web page fast and maybe it will be keepend, and built some links, but if you have 0 links, that for sure google will update it to unranked pr.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Where do you go to get your high PR links then? Most times you publish anything online, the page you publish it to is PR squat. Very seldom I see a page with high PR I can post a link to, and if I do, then it has a hundred or more links on it already. So my juice is diluted to nothing.

    I don't have any blog networks I can post to. And if I use someone else network, my post will be on PR squat again. So I am going round in circles.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      Where do you go to get your high PR links then?
      You don't need high PR links. You just need links that are recognized as such.

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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        You don't need high PR links. You just need links that are recognized as such.

        Paul
        Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Every time you buy a domain, you should be careful because the domain could have a FAKE PR!!! Double check it.. Also, it could lose its PR after the last PR update... So this could be NORMAL sometimes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by timpears View Post

    I have bought a few expired domains recently. Mostly PR3. One I got immediately lost its PR ranking and went to nothing. I should have returned it, but I didn't.
    Tim though what some of the others said is true it probably has nothing to do with your situation except for what Mike Friedman said. there has not been a PR update since Feb so if you bought since then and it lost PR its one of two things

    A) it was fake meaning the links were redirected.
    B) the site fell naturally out of the index because Google found nothing there for too long

    In the case of B the PR will come back usually after you put some content on the pages and google recrawls it. Or it might return at the next toolbar update.

    Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

    Your problem is you didnt spend enough time analyzing the backlinks of the sites you were buying. Remember that next time, we have all made these mistakes
    Mike knows quite a bit about buying aged domains and I don't see him saying there it happened to him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Ellenwood
      Part of the problem is also that when a domain changes hands, most of the time the content changes. This means that links coming in many times are linking to now non-existent pages. Google will eventually "penalize" for this by dropping your PR as your links are considered to be much less in number now.

      If you use wordpress on your recently purchased domain, I recommend WordPress › Link Juice Keeper « WordPress Plugins

      Since I started using it I have not lost any PR on domains I've purchased (knock on wood).

      Of course, one needs to keep slowly building quality links to the newly acquired domain to help keep the PR or increase it.

      As already mentioned, if the PR was fake to start with or other such factors, your PR is going to drop off the map no matter what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sumon2k7
    I want to add few things here to timpears..

    What MikeFriedman said is true. So I think you might be mistaking to understand the difference between real PR and fake PR. So here's few thing I would suggest you before purchasing any expired domains. I follow these myself as well:

    1) First thing you want to check is Domain authority (DA) and Page authority (PA) and domain moz trust. Always aim for higher values. throw the site in opensiteexplorer and check no. of links to the domain.

    2) If you don't see any external backlink to the site I would personally suggest you to refrain from purchasing it. Because, in that case either PR is because of the interlinking or it's faked. If you do find any backlink then check some of the high authority links. Do you see any PR of those backlink pages? make sure the PR of the site (that you are going to purchase) is because of the external links not because of internal pages. Also check the backlink patterns, if there are any chances of link deletion or not, how many of those backlink pages have PR etc. Always look for sites that have higher number of referring domains

    3) Once you are sure that the backlink profile is good then check if the PR is faked or not. In my opinion, there is no fixed way to do so. Because all the fake PR checker you'll find are worthless. but there are few conventional ways that you can try. Like, Google this , info:yourdomain.com. If you see the same site in the result than it's most likely not redirected.

    But, don't be so sure! Apply common sense. For example, check this site memoriesofwhitney.com. (PR 9 ! ) Most Fake PR checker will tell you the same. but how come such a junk site can be PR 9 ?? No way man !

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author danielph
    The website where i was checking for pending delete, and deleted domain was have some more option, also included the fake PR, and i was going to check that option from arround 100 websites was shown something like 3-10 websites, which tell everything. It's almost impossible to get a high PR with 10$, there are big companies inside, and also if you want you just need to have more skiils in this, not only to view a simple website for available domains or pending delete.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeekSlash
    If you've got a subscription to majesticseo or another index download all the non-deleted backlinks for your site into a spreadsheet. Filter out the no-follow links in the spreadsheet then copy and paste the URLs into scrapebox. Get scrapebox to check the pagerank of those links and use a pagerank chart to check what pagerank the domain should be. If it's what it was before then it could be a temporary removal cause of changes to the domain, if there's no decent pageranked backlinks then it's likely you purchased a domain with fake PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by GeekSlash View Post

      If you've got a subscription to majesticseo or another index download all the non-deleted backlinks for your site into a spreadsheet. Filter out the no-follow links in the spreadsheet then copy and paste the URLs into scrapebox. Get scrapebox to check the pagerank of those links and use a pagerank chart to check what pagerank the domain should be. If it's what it was before then it could be a temporary removal cause of changes to the domain, if there's no decent pageranked backlinks then it's likely you purchased a domain with fake PR.
      That's a lot of work. You can just use SpyGlass instead and do that with a few clicks.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeekSlash
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        That's a lot of work. You can just use SpyGlass instead and do that with a few clicks.
        Doesn't take that long really (under 2 minutes), and I keep having problems with SEOSpyGlass so I'd rather do it this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    I'm no expert on expired domains, but...

    I do know that some domain registrars automatically put a 'Parked' page on domains that are newly registered.

    Google also have an algorithm to detect Parked Domains and remove them from their index.

    It may be possible that a newly registered expired domain was detected as parked, in which case Google may also take away any positive signals from the backlinks that existed before the domain was parked - that would include taking away its PageRank.
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    • Profile picture of the author bryguy
      If the links pointing to the pages that were previously indexed stay put and those pages are recreated or the proper redirect is set up on the expired domain (usually to the homepage), the PR should still hold in many cases. If it has been a while since expiration, the PR may not be visible to you until the next toolbar PR update.

      Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

      I'm no expert on expired domains, but...
      ...
      It may be possible that a newly registered expired domain was detected as parked, in which case Google may also take away any positive signals from the backlinks that existed before the domain was parked - that would include taking away its PageRank.
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