Evidence that Google have messeup with with penquin

11 years ago

The funny thing is for 8 out of the 10 results I have looked at it goes like this
1. Amazon
2. Amazon
3. Hostgator 404 page
4. Hostgator 404 page
5. Amazon Auto Blog
6. Amazon Auto Blog
7.My site (rich snippets no longer showing in the serp's)
8.Random Site

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RobinInTexas

11 years ago

Google is the ultimate authority on what it does. You can find a way to give them what they want and you can work to improve your results or you can optimize to improve your results on Bing or Baidu.

For many things, Wikipedia is the best source for information.

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webby0031

11 years ago

Originally Posted by RobinInTexas

Google is the ultimate authority on what it does. You can find a way to give them what they want and you can work to improve your results or you can optimize to improve your results on Bing or Baidu.

For many things, Wikipedia is the best source for information.

Trash talk, not true based on what I had described, Many EMD have 10 times the content and also more detailed information, although i do agree that wiki has good information. BUT if people want information search Wiki, google isnt Wiki is it ? well it is now ?

Change google's name to WIKIZON

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

WTH kind of keywords do you people search for?

I've been doing Google searches On/Off tonight for personal stuff & the SERPs look fine.

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

WTH kind of keywords do you people search for?

I've been doing Google searches On/Off tonight for personal stuff & the SERPs look fine.

Lol indeed, those threads almost amaze me the most as I never run into such search results filled with auto blogs and other crap.
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Oranges

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

WTH kind of keywords do you people search for?

I've been doing Google searches On/Off tonight for personal stuff & the SERPs look fine.

Search for Payday loans.

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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Oranges

Search for Payday loans.

I searched and saw a load of "Payday Loans" sites. Am I missing something? Like your point.

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justmoretravel

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

I searched and saw a load of "Payday Loans" sites. Am I missing something? Like your point.

Exactly. I searched it and I see a lot of local payday loan companies and Wikipedia is number one for "Payday Loans".

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by justmoretravel

Exactly. I searched it and I see a lot of local payday loan companies and Wikipedia is number one for "Payday Loans".

So one of the biggest Authority sites on the planet. That gives users a huge base of relevant information is ranking over a boatload of lightweight, spammed to death "Payday Loans" sites. So what? Makes perfect sense to me.
BTW, I do have a big client in that very same niche. Funny when I just checked his SERPs after reading this thread. We have taken a nice rise across the board of keywords. Go figure.

More to the point of the thread, Anyone claiming to have evidence of any problem with this latest update, is completely deluded in their own little world.
The updates what? 8 hours old. That's some hardcore data mining and analysis in action. Can I get the link of that Fiverr gig?
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TZ

11 years ago

Originally Posted by justmoretravel

Exactly. I searched it and I see a lot of local payday loan companies and Wikipedia is number one for "Payday Loans".

Loans has been our niche for 10 years and Wiki deserves that ranking - they have THE MOST information on the subject, and their content actually TELLs borrowers how much they are getting screwed if they don't watch who they borrow from and how.

There is lots of gravy for us even in the affiliate arena using long-tail - one warning though - don't use Adsense because you make a lot more with CPA.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by TZ

Loans has been our niche for 10 years and Wiki deserves that ranking - they have THE MOST information on the subject, and their content actually TELLs borrowers how much they are getting screwed if they don't watch who they borrow from and how.

There is lots of gravy for us even in the affiliate arena using long-tail - one warning though - don't use Adsense because you'll get banned.

Fixed it.

Running Adsense on a payday loan site is simply begging Google/Adsense to ban the account. It doesn't matter If there's a million Adwords advertisers buying up payday loan PPC Ads, the niche is seedy.

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Oranges

Search for Payday loans.

I guess that's it, I never search for things like payday loans.

Thing is, for a niche like payday loans it's going to be one scam artist fighting off all the other scam artist in the same niche, so how do you define $hit sites in a niche that's 100% $hit?
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GodMode52

11 years ago

Personally I saw many improvements on results quality ,both on google.co.uk & google.it, it will take few days to settle down everything anyway.

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kindsvater

11 years ago

By definition Penguin has nothing to do with the quality of content in ranking sites.

That is its problem.

If everyone agrees that Web Page A is "the authority" on a topic with the best content, why should it matter if its owner buys 100 links pointing to the web page? Why should it matter if there are 1000 spammy backlinks on crap sites no one visits anyway? The content on Web Page A is still the same.

If because of Penguin Google decides to lower the search ranking of the page, then Google has made a decision not to show the most relevant pages to its users.

You need to wrap your head around the concept that Google's goal is not to show the best web pages to its users, but to show the web pages that best follow Google's ever changing rules.

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webby0031

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

You need to wrap your head around the concept that Google's goal is not to show the best web pages to its users, but to show the web pages that best follow Google's ever changing rules.

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And in Turn make them more profit, and dictate the information presented to the world.

They have too much influence on the PUBLIC now not to be regulated in someway.

The britsh politician already apsire to this.. maybe america will get the right idea too.

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ilikepie

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

By definition Penguin has nothing to do with the quality of content in ranking sites.

That is its problem.

If everyone agrees that Web Page A is "the authority" on a topic with the best content, why should it matter if its owner buys 100 links pointing to the web page? Why should it matter if there are 1000 spammy backlinks on crap sites no one visits anyway? The content on Web Page A is still the same.

If because of Penguin Google decides to lower the search ranking of the page, then Google has made a decision not to show the most relevant pages to its users.

You need to wrap your head around the concept that Google's goal is not to show the best web pages to its users, but to show the web pages that best follow Google's ever changing rules.

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So you can violate the rules just because someone seems to have good content according to..?

How is Google supposed to measure the differences between quality of content in the top 10? That alone will be a struggle but what about the rest?

There are also plenty of examples where Google punishes established brands for violating the terms (BMW, Interflora etc.). So you can't say that they don't measure everyone the same.

I violate several rules or guidelines from Google. This update I have nothing to complain. But if I would get hit yeah I would get mad but I would never complain about Google or any other company. Simply because I know where I'm playing with. Shit can happen so when it happens you get mad, accept it and move on. No need to stick around something what you knew could happen (or blame someone else because you are playing on the edge).

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smodha

11 years ago

Only one of my sites tanked last night and I fully expected it. Crappy link profiles were going to get caught out sooner or later.

Wikipedia is untouchable now. You can spam the site, post duplicate content, even write nonsensical garbage - it really doesn't matter because Wiki has achieved Demi God status in the eyes of Google.

The fact of the matter is that millions of people still use Wiki and it's a site with millions of backlinks, extremely high user retention and a site that attracts plenty of repeat visitors.

With future Google updates, I expect even more Wiki results in the top #10 even if the content is trash.

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36burrows

11 years ago

I am not seeing any said evidence

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pasik 11 years ago

Originally Posted by 36burrows

I am not seeing any said evidence

Exactly! Op, can you give us some evidence?:confused:
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lennyk1313

11 years ago

I have noticed the same with some of my clients. The keywords that they were ranking for have dropped dramatically and replaced with the sites that have no business of being on the first page. Another quick note of why some of those sites are now on the first page is the inclusion of the keyword (or part of it) in the domain name.

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RobinInTexas

11 years ago

Google is not looking to give the searcher the best or most authoritative answer. They want to give the searcher a result that the searcher likes.

If the searcher clicks a result and comes back to repeat the search, the result loses google favor.

If the searcher stays the result gains favor.

To quote a couple of observations from Adam Stetzer

Google is clearly beating the familiar drum with the same core messages:

Build a great website.
Make awesome content with high end-user value.
Visitors will magically appear.

Your SEO won't be successful if it isn't useful. To serve a need, webmasters must understand what the audience is seeking... content marketing is the new link building. Earn recognition, social spread, and backlinks by giving away valuable information for free. Excellent content has high audience value and points readers to other resources via cocitation.

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datingworld

11 years ago

"payday Loans" is displaying correct SERPS..
Am I missing the point..

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webby0031

11 years ago

Hey Guys ive checked again this afternoon and things have again become more consistent. I am still seeing a 1-2 placing difference between different area;s of US..

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yrsdi

11 years ago

It's Impacted to my blog traffic. 80% of my visitors comes from google and this Month I lose 30% visitor.

I agree with @RobinInTexas to improve your results and make stable the visitor we can optimize to improve search results on Bing or Baidu.

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paulgl 11 years ago

Yup. "Google have messeup" alright.

All the way to the bank.

I cannot believe we don't have more threads on JCpenney,
Windows 8, Best Buy, HP, Sears, Sprint, Navistar,
AMR, MGM, AMD,....seriously. Let's talk
about businesses that have REALLY messeup.

Why are you people so friggin' hung up on having google
ruin your business? If your business is ruined by google, then
you had no real business to begin with.

Google does not care one iota what happens to your website,
nor do they give a rat's hat about what IMers think of
search results.

Google is always looking for good computer engineers....so,
if you are a good one, go apply and show them a thing or two!

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Honestly I think that when you build decent sites and do decent link building that you can be 100% dependent on worlds largest search engine.

If I can still rank sites with insane poor content and solely high PR blog posts from one single network, then it's really not that very difficult to be on one line with Google's algorithm. Based on what I Just said I really can't believe the stories from people that say they have been hit with legit sites and natural link building.

Google is a huge cash cow and the easiest of all when you know what you're doing.

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DateinaDash

11 years ago

Google have really got this wrong...

My website has been hit quite bad and we're one of the best Speed Dating companies around! I do outsource SEO and it would appear that some of the link building strategies might not have been exactly 'white hat' but the fact is my website is a quality site offering a quality service.

We have 2-3 events a week, quality content, 2-3 weekly blogs (500-1000 unique articles) active social media engagement and some decent backlinks from some authority websites but something has gone wrong, very wrong and we've dropped from #4 to #17 for my money keyword!

Whilst i'll put my hands up to some of my methods being wrong the fact is the sites now ranked above me are NOT relevant to what people are searching for! Type in 'Speed Dating Teddington' and you'll find my website ranked #4 yet i'm the only person offering Speed Dating events in Teddington! Plus, there are lots of new websites with barely any content ranking higher than me because they haven't built bad backlinks as opposed to not building any at all...

Ah well, back to square one again!

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by DateinaDash

Google have really got this wrong...

My website has been hit quite bad and we're one of the best Speed Dating companies around! I do outsource SEO and it would appear that some of the link building strategies might not have been exactly 'white hat' but the fact is my website is a quality site offering a quality service.

We have 2-3 events a week, quality content, 2-3 weekly blogs (500-1000 unique articles) active social media engagement and some decent backlinks from some authority websites but something has gone wrong, very wrong and we've dropped from #4 to #17 for my money keyword!

Whilst i'll put my hands up to some of my methods being wrong the fact is the sites now ranked above me are NOT relevant to what people are searching for! Type in 'Speed Dating Teddington' and you'll find my website ranked #4 yet i'm the only person offering Speed Dating events in Teddington! Plus, there are lots of new websites with barely any content ranking higher than me because they haven't built bad backlinks as opposed to not building any at all...

Ah well, back to square one again!

You can better have a crap site with decent link building then a high quality site with spammy link building.

Deal with it!

ps: Under the condition that the crap site has unique written content and not some scraped garbage cause then you have to deal with Google Panda, just a different animal to make it easier

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ilikepie

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DateinaDash

Google have really got this wrong...

My website has been hit quite bad and we're one of the best Speed Dating companies around! I do outsource SEO and it would appear that some of the link building strategies might not have been exactly 'white hat' but the fact is my website is a quality site offering a quality service.

We have 2-3 events a week, quality content, 2-3 weekly blogs (500-1000 unique articles) active social media engagement and some decent backlinks from some authority websites but something has gone wrong, very wrong and we've dropped from #4 to #17 for my money keyword!

Whilst i'll put my hands up to some of my methods being wrong the fact is the sites now ranked above me are NOT relevant to what people are searching for! Type in 'Speed Dating Teddington' and you'll find my website ranked #4 yet i'm the only person offering Speed Dating events in Teddington! Plus, there are lots of new websites with barely any content ranking higher than me because they haven't built bad backlinks as opposed to not building any at all...

Ah well, back to square one again!

Well you said it yourself you used blackhat being awesome does not count then anymore. Big brands had it happen to earlier think of BMW for example. When you violate rules you take the risk of being hammered.

And let be honest, from #4 to #17 is that really square one? It's is quite possible that your blackhat techniques lost their strength and that you are on regular ranking now (with maybe a small punishment).

Also the shitstorm has just started I would wait a few more days (maybe even weeks) before I would jump to final conclusions.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by DateinaDash

Whilst i'll put my hands up to some of my methods being wrong the fact is the sites now ranked above me are NOT relevant to what people are searching for! !

Thats like pulling out a reefer, lighting it up during a job interview and then complaining that you should have got the job because you were the most qualified.

You can make the argument you were the most qualified but not the most qualified that didn't pull out the reefer.
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Mkcoy

Banned 11 years ago

No matter what you call it, to Google it would of been an investment motivated decision.

What amazes me is the shake up that happens preceding the announcement of a new Google Algo.

When in reality they probably didn't change much at all.

Its a constant cat and mouse game. But its never the end for IM's. As long as the Internet is available online there will always be IM's.

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Joe118

11 years ago

I think some people misunderstood what Kindsvater is saying. It's really very simple. Let's do a mind experiment:

Step 1: You wrote the world's best page on poodle paddling (lol) i.e. the one that the surfers like the most
Step 2: Your page is nowhere to be found on google
Step 3: You buy an xrumer fiverr gig and send a million crappy back links to the page
Step 4: Your page ranks and then is penalized and banned from google

In step 2 google is wrong because they aren't displaying your page.
In step 4 they are again wrong, because they penalized your page for bad backlinks and are no longer showing it, even though it is the page that makes their surfers the happiest

Based on these arguments, it shouldn't matter what the quality of the back links is, or whether a lot of visitors come through them, or anything else at all about these back links. Once google has found your page, they should be always displaying it in #1, even if you send 100 million crappy back links to it, over optimize the anchor text, or any other silly business.

Why? Because it is the world's best page on poodle paddling!

So my point is that since back links influence their decisions on what to rank, back links still work gang busters to rank (and derank) sites. And its still just as easy to confuse google as it was yesterday. That's what the thread title is saying, they got it wrong (again!) with penguin 2.

Until google can reliably figure out what "awesome content" really is, it'll be a game of claw-to-the-top-any-way-you-can. And don't hold your breath till the day comes when they do understand content...

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe118

So my point is that since back links influence their decisions on what to rank, back links still work gang busters to rank (and derank) sites. And its still just as easy to confuse google as it was yesterday. That's what the thread title is saying, they got it wrong (again!) with penguin 2.

Until google can reliably figure out what "awesome content" really is, it'll be a game of claw-to-the-top-any-way-you-can. And don't hold your breath till the day comes when they do understand content...

Thats not true.

A) representing its just as easy today as it was yesterday is just a way to say everything is cool and the same things work as they used to which is false.

B) Google from everything I have seen is not looking to come up with a way to understand content. They are not fools. They know the technology is not even close. There goal is to make it as hard as possible for people to game the system with garbage. This thread in and of itself is proof positive that they are getting very successful at hitting the people who try to game their system with crappy easy to get links. They know the higher they raise the bar the better their results get because even if someone with hundreds of dollars games the systems they are more likely to do have the means to do it with better qulaity than the kid running a cracked version of SEnukeX.

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Rathor

11 years ago

Has anyone also noticed ebay and amazon dominating every possible niche? I think this is ridiculous. I got AWAY from ebay to start my own platform, and now I'm still getting screwed by them. This is infuriating. My site Auto Mammoth is just tanking all over because of ebay and amazon.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rathor

Has anyone also noticed ebay and amazon dominating every possible niche? I think this is ridiculous. I got AWAY from ebay to start my own platform, and now I'm still getting screwed by them. This is infuriating. My site Auto Mammoth is just tanking all over because of ebay and amazon.

That's defiantly not true.

I don't see Ebay or Amazon for any of my own keywords. I guess your running an Amazon affiliate site or something similar, so your selling the exact same things found on the original Ebay/Amazon sites?

If your selling the same thing as another site (any site) you'll obviously always have those other sites as competition.

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TZ

11 years ago

Spam Site = Any Site That Is Beating Mine ;-)

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Your post title said "Evidence Google messed up". I don't see any "evidence". I see feelings and emotions. I don't see any facts, data, or statistics.

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