NEWBIE ALERT!! Beware of the multiple product/services Claiming to Know all about penguin 2.0.

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I don't get on many lists and when I find out I am on one (product purchase or something) I usually am pretty good at cancelling out . I was a little surprised a while ago to get one from a certain seller who I will not name. I will just say in my opinion he/she is the seller of one of the worst SEO plugins of all time on the market so I was surprised to see I was on his/her list.

Its not hard to see based on the time frame that the product being pimped was geared to be pimped long before Penguin came out. Nobody puts out a JV sales funnel etc that fast and this one was making up the completely bogus concept that social signals are now known to protect you from Penguin 2.0 and they had just the product to fix it.

Expect to see alot of this. The number one sales crap for the next week will be people claiming to know what penguin 2.O is all about because they blablabla tested it and blabla bla have hundreds of sites they monitor yadyadyada.

Truth is NO ONE can know what is in an algo besides Google in the first day or two. Even sites like SEOmoz, AHrefs, SEObook, etc etc with THOUSANDS AND EVEN MILLIONS OF SITES under their scrutiny do not come out in 24 or even 48 hours and start telling you what you can definitely fix Penguin with.

You might be hurting. You might feel desperate but don't make it worse by listening to product launches, forum posts made to say look look my services has the answer, or any software or service claiming they know the answer. NONE OF THEM KNOW.

Remember SEO is not an overnight thing. You will losing NOTHING by waiting for the dust to clear.
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  • It's funny because I've gotten 3 emails from companies who have apparently "cracked the algorithm for Penguin 2.0".

    The odd thing was, when I responded asking them to send proof of research that had been done to crack the algorithm, suddenly they aren't interested in selling their services to me anymore lol.
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  • Social sharing, comments and user engagement are indicators
    that will give you more authority - giving you more traffic.

    So this is not TRUE..................
  • Prolly gonna expect an e-mail from Becker in 2 minutes. Just saying. ZzZzzZzzz
  • Thank you for the details. The problem is that many of us here are confused about how to handle our SEO for our businesses. Everybody claims to be an SEO genius that is dangling our financial freedom in front of our noses. The problem is that most of the reviews in these WSOs are all BS. I'm a victim myself. I spent a few grand to boost a hand full of local keywords and never saw any movement. Actually almost all have declined quite a bit. It's been 8 or 9 months with no improvement. I've laclearly been hustled!

    Maybe it just takes longer when you're a Super, Duper SEO Ninja.
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    • Banned
      I see that.
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    • LMAO!!

      Who? naaaah never.

      Thanks Mike for posting this thread. I wanted to say something similar, but felt a good flaming coming on if I dared step on the toes of the WSOSEOMOFFO.com crew.
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    • Damn, they still selling those BS SEO packages? I feel you, a very long time ago I spend few bucks because I read pages and pages of good reviews only to find out these reviews were left by fools.
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    • Speaking of the Devil... Someone sent me an email he already sent out today claiming to have whipped Penguin 2.0. Sign up now for your guaranteed page one ranking. Lol...
    • If you spent that much money and that much time You should spend some time reading these forums and some of the other forums and try some stuff yourself.
      its not really that much to it with most of these updates if you have
      Good Content
      On Page Seo thru out the site
      Linking setup both on site and backlinks to yoursite
      Social Media
      Then with the updates it will bounce around but you will be able to over come it .

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    • Is this dude still doing business? The last email i got from him (actually thought I had unsubscribed from all his lists - apparently not :rolleyes was for a 30,000 link blast where he juxtaposed white hat SEO and with "taking forever" and black hat SEO with "rankings now instead of later". Just an example of an SEO going off the deep end IMO.
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    • What you too. Lost my main source of income for the last five years thanks to the same thing. How come nobody's been more vocal in pulling certain suppliers down?

      S'pose you pays your money and you takes your choice.
  • Dang Mike why are you outting??

    That was my Alaskan cruise money.
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    • I know. It was intended. You are a mom. You need to set your rump roast in Mehico and stop partying all over the world with "Penguin 2.0 Ninja" Product money.
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  • LOL i have gotten two mails letterly minutes after the message got out that P2 was rolled out, stating that they had beaten the code and had a great backlink solution for me for $7- :rolleyes:

    First thing i did was unsubscribe from those lists, this is the golden day's for marketers and link sellers, they know for days/weeks that P2 is coming, they invent some 100% P2 save backlink product and cash in on the mass hysteria.

    It's a way of making money i guess.
  • I got an email this morning promoting a "social signals" plugin, I suspect it was the same one.
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    • Yep That was it but no need to get into who it was from and I am pretty sure getting into that would be a violation of the rules.
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  • Now the same guy I mentioned in the Op is at it again with another email. Basically another item he has been selling is now directly tied in to Penguin 2.O.
  • Kinda funny how EVERYTIME google updates it does not matter how big are small it is I get 3-5 Emails for the next big fix
    In my eyes they are all scams to early for anyone to know what it is about that fast after every update
  • I'm just wondering how you got on his list the first place lol
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    • I dunno because I have told him in open threads how over hyped his SEO plugin is. I mean just as gently as I always do (:p) so I was like what in the world is this.
  • Happy Memorial Day everybody! I'm getting off and spend some time with the family.
  • Some one laclearly is just a conversational wizard
  • Sooo funny this thread. So many people are blind in the world of SEO today. Not pointing the finger at anyone here, mainly at the people who buy so called SEO services, but this is my 2 cents.

    This is the best advice for anyone who is trying to rank in the search engines, now listen carefully. Forget about all this crap about SEO, why some people get involved in buying links, and blasts, and some secret SEO method that will guarantee rankings is beyond me, it doesn't work, it may work for a few weeks or a month or slightly more. But it doesn't work, why? Your just gona get caught and bitch slapped by a penguin and shafted by a panda.

    Forget about I need links, I need web 2.0 links, i need relevant links and all sorts of links.

    One word here - *****C-O-N-T-E-N-T***** That is what will get you ranked in the search engine over any other method in the world of SEO today.

    You provide QUALITY content then you have nothing to worry about, hell you don't need to worry about links. Why? Well if you have quality content the links appear naturally, people will share your post, people will comment, people will share and share. There, that's your backlinks sorted.

    I don't need to go into detail on the other SEO methods like on page and off page which are common sense, well to people that understand SEO.

    Provide quality content and you won't need to spend a penny on anything but your hosting and domain name.

    Without the quality content your just wasting your time.
    And before anyone goes off and says there are sites ranking with the black-hat methods, yes its true, but that won't be an affective strategy for much longer trust me.

    Only one problem here - CONTENT.
    Most People don't have the drive or the ability to write quality content. But I suppose that's good news for me and anyone else who is a writer. The world of freelance writing will be booming bigger than ever in the future, when people who cant be assed to write or cant write quality content will eventually give in and pay someone who can.

    One last reminder - Forget about SEO strategies, CONTENT is the new SEO.

    Thats more than my 2 cents.
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    • Yeah bro, I will just write some quality content with the keyword 'payday loans' and I will hit the top spot in no time! Give us a break, if your idea of SEO is just writing a nice article then why are you on the SEO forum? Without backlinks you will never rank your content for anything competitive. What you're saying is laughable. Even if the SEO strategies only work for a few years, in that time via the SEO traffic generated I would have built up a brand with thousands of repeat visits as well as thousands of natural links made by people visiting the site. Just writing some content and hoping for the best is a waste of time. I see plenty of people on page 10 or more in my niche doing just that. The people on the first page with me do SEO, or created their site in the 90s giving them a massive head start.
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  • I have the secret of penguin 2.0.

    If you guys want to know it, just send 77$ to my paypal. I'll let you in on it.

    Is it me, or did penguin 2.0 make it easier to rank?

    I'm so tired of reading about how "content is king, backlinks are dead" or "backlinks are king, content is dead"

    Or

    "Web 2.0 is rocking the serps!" And seeing a link in the sig. for web2.0

    When the real "secret" seems to be to build links to a site that has some content on it. Hmmm...something i've been doing since 2009. I guess I should just avoid the forums for the next few weeks. Right now it's just marketing central for the SEO guys, I should tell the guy who supplies my seo for me, he's a good guy and deserves the customers.
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    • You may be sick of hearing about content is king, but unfortunately it has to be said to get it into some peoples heads. Because it is.

      And yes Google have never made it hard in the first place. Provide quality content and thats all there is too it.
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  • If Mike was a moderator, I think he would have banned LC brothers.
  • Guys, obviously we nebiws know you guys are the gurus and know your stuff. But for christ sake stop telling us what does not work. Tell us what works!!!

    OMG!!!!!
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    • But you have to know both, positive and negative things......to produce quality work.
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    • I think I made it pretty clear what works??????
    • Nope not for any disagreemnt in threads . NOt a great fan of banning just on the basis of disagreement. I can think of at least one other regular here who might though. Immaterial though. We are not mods and I would not want the job



      Syn you are asking to be spoon fed and judging by your amount of thanks over two years you haven't added anything much to be demanding and getting an attitude like you are owed something.

      Seriously IF you can't find what works on this forum then you are not reading very well. You can look at Penguin threads and see it clear as day by those telling you what and what does not still work.

      Every thread does not have to be broken down into cliff notes. You want to make money then you have to apply yourself. Plus I know no regular contributor here who considers themselves gurus. There are those that seldom post in this section who do so to declare the greatness of their service but none of the regulars I know have ever claimed gurus status (although there is the occasional idiot that swears they know Quan means master or guru)
  • Ask yourself what these people who are searching the internet are looking for?

    A solution to a problem, information, some knowledge or education on a certain topic.

    How do we provide this to them - CONTENT. Quality content at that. If it's engaging, they will like it, they will share it on facebook, twitter, the list goes on.

    That creates back links, and the more quality content you provide the more people share it. Which equals Google seeing you as a go to site for this information.
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    • Ok. At least you replied.. Thanks
  • Anyone who sends me a "Beat Penguin 2.0 Now!" email is instantly unsubscribed.
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    • First of all, Facebook links, Twitter links, etc. don't do squat for rankings in anything except niches with no competition.

      On top of that just creating content doesn't work for most niches. I have a client running a pizza shop. Outside of a few Facebook shares, you think people are really going to link to that? They do great business. Tons of customers. Most customers do not run a website relating to their business to even give them a link if they wanted to.

      I have another client that sells industrial shredders. Destroys all kinds of data storage devices. Who the hell is just going to link to that, much less even find their site if there are not some links pointing at it?

      Content is a very small part of a good SEO strategy.
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  • Hi nest!

    Nobody is hating, but checking out the longtails... some are one or two searches a month. That means nobody is targeting them. That means I could pick one a keyword like that write some crap content (in theory) and build some links and I'd rank. Let's say all else is equal... you and I build two pages, all else is equal EXCEPT my content is spun garbage and your content is genius. It's a toss up, but then let's say I get a juicy backlink and you have none. I Win. We're not talking ethics or what's a good idea here... we're talking algos. And based on the current algo Google still can't determine quality content, not like you or I could.

    Now when you start to factor in things like bounce rate etc... user experience, then you go hmmm maybe I need to write content people want to read. Or then again I could keep my crappy spun content and just add a bunch of awesome images

    Again the question isn't: Is writing good content a waste of time?
    And it's not: Should I fill my pages with crappy content?
    The question is: Is good content enough?
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    • Hello, good questions. Honestly as soon as I come across a crappy site I leave and go to the next one down. So if you were number 1 with crappy content but great links and I was number 2, I think I would still get just as much traffic as you.


      So if 500 people searched for our keyword, I think at least 400 would leave your site and come to mine (imaginary site of course lol) and 100 would probably either click a ad or just give up.


      Oh and long tails usually have more searches than what the keyword tools tell you. I had this one phrase that when I searched it on Google's Adword tool, it said 0, but that same search phrase brought in 2,000 visitors over the course of 6 months. There were many cases like that.


      Honestly I never link to sites, not even the ones I can't live without, idk how the hell they get links lol.
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    • The best post on this is slin's

      For some reason whenever the issue of content comes up on this board the extreme positions are championed rather than asking when are they ever really opposed to each other?
  • Two can edit Stop arguing brother!!! looool you are a champion arguer
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    • Thats total nonsense missy ( to match your buddy ). Yeah its search engine optimization. So what is a search engine if its not where PEOPLE search for sites on the internet?

      Tell me why you want to rank number one on a search engine? Because PEOPLE have a habit of clicking on the first link. If the HUMAN behavior changed and most people clicked the fourth result guess where every SEO would want to have his site optimized for? You got it - NUMBER FOUR

      WHy do we do keyword research to determine how many searches are put up for a term? To indicate how much PEOPLE traffic you will get. SO missy. SEO is ALL ABOUT PEOPLE TRAFFIC

      If you choose to select a form of SEO that contradicts PEOPLE TRAFFIC you are a clutzy SEO. You are DEFYING the whole reason to do SEO to begin with.

      No I do not have to say if something is not a ranking factor it is not SEO. All I have to do is keep my eye on the ball and say "Will this bring my customer the kind of traffic that they hired me to bring when they chose SEO". You are acting as if SEO technique and metrics is the only thing that is part of SEO and trying to exclude the whole reason for SEO to begin with. You can't exclude the end goal of an activity from the activity as its something entirely different.

      The Optimization in SEO is to Optimize traffic clicking a link to a site. If a SEO advocates a technique that immediately makes the traffic reverse itself it destroys the whole reason for SEO. So a SEO pushing the idea that you can rank a page with crappy content that will make people runaway from the site as soon as they click it is defying the whole purpose of SEO.

      Sorry missy but thats not how SEO works. Thats how it doesn't work. In that scenario Nest at number 2 is better optimized because his number two is where all the traffic is going. Thats optimization because he is getting the optimal amount of traffic from his SEO and you are not.
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  • SEO is not that broad. SEO is just one technique in an IMer's arsenal.
    IM is much bigger than SEO, to do SEO for a client I concede that you should have a good understanding of IM. But if your client says "hey I want to rank for 'purple cowboy spurs'" then you can still make that happen with SEO right? Is it a good business decision? Probably not. But SEO is about ranking. It's about search engines. To try to make that term encompass all the other aspects of IM is like trying to say mixing cake batter= making a wedding cake. Is it a part of the process? Most times. But is that the same thing? No. Because then you would just have a bowl of batter at your reception.

    SEO is just one part of what I do for my clients. You are misusing the word
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    • See? its you WF WSO backlinkers not SEO types that have ruined my field (at least in this small space you think is the whole SEO world). In the real world of SEO its the SEOs job to pick out keywords doing keyword and competitive research for their customers to get the traffic they want or could pay for. You have it so backways now that you think you can say that SEO is not that but just what you limit it to. No sorry the keyword selection is a HUGE part of SEO because of the traffic issue.

      You can say it ten more times it will still be crap. SEO is about traffic not ranking. IF it were just about ranking then you could go ahead and rank for any long tail and tell your customer "see you are ranked". This aint no WSO Mehico.


      What do you of all people know about wedding cake? I thought that was behind you? lol

      You usually do. Its on the brides and bridesmaids' face but they call it makeup which as you know I call "lying with paint"

      Send me to the corner then newb. You make no definitions stick around here. Yes I know what you are trying to do. You are trying to pick a fight with the calm, soft spoken, never twouble no one MA.
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  • after penguin I have tried many services but all of them were a scam...so I agree with you and I think we should focus on quality content rather then running after links...
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      Not sure what services you bought but if you have a penalty then some link building or link removal service won't fix that.
  • Mike Anthony - I completely agree with you. I'm still running tests to confirm new strategy for Penguin 2.0 and it takes time. If somebody tells you that he have remedy just after update, don't believe in it. It takes weeks to make reliable SEO tests and redesign strategies that works.
  • i purposedly ignored this and last week's (all seo talk related). instead i just focused on my own testing, basically finding out what is good but rather what is toxic. Also finding out why the heck all my old properties are resurfing (best guess is all the other crap is buried and my good crap is showing).

    How many crappy "the penguin 2.0 secret sauce" WSO's were launched? lol
  • Whatever any update, both content and backlink factors are still needed to influence SERP (search engine ranking position) at Google. I believe that SEO is never dead.
  • OH the WSOs are starting to creep in. Some old Snuke/GSA services just re-vamped their old sales threads. ew I feel sick.
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    NEWBIE ALERT!! Beware of the multiple product/services Claiming to Know all about penguin 2.0.

    I don't get on many lists and when I find out I am on one (product purchase or something) I usually am pretty good at cancelling out . I was a little surprised a while ago to get one from a certain seller who I will not name. I will just say in my opinion he/she is the seller of one of the worst SEO plugins of all time on the market so I was surprised to see I was on his/her list. Its not hard to see based on the time frame that the product being pimped was geared to be pimped long before Penguin came out. Nobody puts out a JV sales funnel etc that fast and this one was making up the completely bogus concept that social signals are now known to protect you from Penguin 2.0 and they had just the product to fix it.