Pagerank Update: Any news, theories of rumors as to why it is soo late.

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Last year Google was pretty much clock work - Three months and update. Now we are beyond four with no news. Not a big deal for ranking obviously but for the domain and link buying market a little bit of one. Plus even in evaluating domains when looking at the backlinks it makes it a bit trickier

Just late? or part of Google's announced coming summer surprises? anyone heard anything?
#late #news #pagerank #rumors #soo #thoeries #update
  • Profile picture of the author SEMaster
    Nobody knows when the next Google Pagerank update will happen, but it is expected in this month or July of 2013. The last one was 4 February 2013.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SEMaster View Post

      Nobody knows when the next Google Pagerank update will happen, but it is expected in this month or July of 2013. The last one was 4 February 2013.

      Expected by who exactly? In April people said expected in May (and that WAS the pattern in 2012 - every three months) which was legit. then May came and people said June and the older June gets its becoming July.

      eventually guessing the next month will be right but theres no denying Google has changed things up and for some kind if reason. CUtts a while back even hinted toolbar pagerank might go bye bye entirely
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  • Profile picture of the author konakid
    Google is super secret about all of their algorithm work. Nobody really knows when things will get updated so all you can do is wait and see.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    For the upteenth time: Google update PR every day and incorporate that PR into the ranking algorithm every day.

    All we get in the toolbar is a useless historical snapshot of that internal PR that they choose to export to amuse us. By the time we see it, it old and has already been incorporated into the search rankings.
    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    but for the domain and link buying market a little bit of one.
    ...and for that exact reason, is why they only give us that useless historical snapshot of the the internal PR
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

      For the upteenth time: Google update PR every day and incorporate that PR into the ranking algorithm every day.
      For the upteenth time people should read OPs before junking up threads with useless responses. the Op is very clear that what its talking about is domain and link buying and specifically states it is not related to ranking. As such it IS toolbar PR that is being talked about.
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    • Profile picture of the author aliduncan
      Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

      For the upteenth time: Google update PR every day and incorporate that PR into the ranking algorithm every day.

      All we get in the toolbar is a useless historical snapshot of that internal PR that they choose to export to amuse us. By the time we see it, it old and has already been incorporated into the search rankings.
      ...and for that exact reason, is why they only give us that useless historical snapshot of the the internal PR
      Every time there is a thread about pagerank everyone seems to jump on the "pagerank is useless" bandwagon. When looking at your own sites then yeah I agree that it doesn't really tell you much. However, it remains one of the best indicators of the strength of backlinks which is massively important when analyzing your competition or deciding on which links to try and acquire. As Mike said it is also key in evaluating the strength of domains for use in a private network.

      Yes it's updated constantly by google but toolbar PR is all we can really go by as this is all they reveal to the public.
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  • Profile picture of the author adystanley
    Lol guys, the page rank update can be tomorrow, why so many words on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    Thought I will start a similar thread. However, I have no idea...

    Some people claimed that they PR increased/decreased in the middle of May: Google PageRank Update Start

    I'm waiting PR update since I have bunch of PR4-PR6 domains/sites that I want to sell, but I'm not 100% sure that the PR will stick as it is. Don't want to be accused by selling "fake PR" domains on flippa.
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    • Profile picture of the author karismasand
      Mike, since last update was in Feb next update should have a 1 month delay so i believe next update will be late this month.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    The later the better I would say, updates always only cost me money as there are always some drops here and there and then I need to add new sites to the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    I want the update to happen soon so I can continue to build my network. :-D I'm holding off on new purchases until then - - I can't say I'm an expert on PageRank yet to trust my current PR guesses based on the backlink profile...!

    Domain brokers must be getting very annoyed! Or happy if they're selling dud PR sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by elperuanito View Post

      I want the update to happen soon so I can continue to build my network. :-D I'm holding off on new purchases until then - - I can't say I'm an expert on PageRank yet to trust my current PR guesses based on the backlink profile...!
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      Yep thats exactly why I asked. Even with checking backlinks you still are relying on toolbar PR(Moz coverage is just too spotty for me) so the older the data (and even with an update it can be months old) the more iffy it gets.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Nothing really all that unusual. They have gone nearly a year before without a PR update rolled out.
      In previous years yes but they since last year they had become very regular. There has to be some reason. technical difficulty or a deliberate algo or policy reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    I think it would be in the next FEW days.. More than 4 months.. This is really strange and I don't think it would come July before a PR update happens!
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  • Profile picture of the author shresthakks4u
    I also am looking forward to have increased page rank of my site. But I don`t know when it will happen. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Nothing really all that unusual. They have gone nearly a year before without a PR update rolled out.

    I noticed some sites changed PR right around the Penguin update. Never heard anyone saying anything about an update though, but I had 5 sites change PR either the day of or day after Penguin 2.0 rolled out. That or my records were all wrong and I recorded the wrong PR for those sites in the first place. Doubt that I screwed up 5 of them though.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    On May 4th they handed out PR penalties. They also likely updated their internal PR around that time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I heard PR update will be this month, 25th-27th. Grain of salt though...
      LOL, I heard the 8th of this month.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    If Google wants to end the obsession with backlinks so bad they should eliminate the green toolbar once and for all.

    The PR bar has a lot to do with linking practices they now claim are against their guidelines.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      If Google wants to end the obsession with backlinks so bad they should eliminate the green toolbar once and for all.
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      Towards the end of this video Cutts a few months ago does seem to suggest (under the pretense it will be MS that will end up being responsible) they will kill the tool bar. its one of the things that had me wondering recently

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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Towards the end of this video Cutts a few months ago does seem to suggest (under the pretense it will be MS that will end up being responsible) they will kill the tool bar. its one of the things that had me wondering recently

        Why don't you turn off the PageRank feature in the Google Toolbar? - YouTube
        Nice find, Mike. Yes, he definitely acts like there's wiggle room there to phase it out.

        If Google really wanted to send a strong message about links not being as important as they once were, this would be it. The 'dropped domain' market will be depressed after that, but the rest of the world will march on.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I know a guy that knows another guys barber, he said that he heard PR updated on April 1st.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I would really not like to be dependent for the full 100% on SEOmoz / Majestic or Ahrefs.

    I mean I have PR1 domains with a Mozrank of 3+, go figure.

    And Ahrefs rank is definitely as unreliable as it can get, sites with Ahrefs rank of 800+ are PR0 domains.

    The only one that I put some faith & trust in is Majestic still, their combination of Trust Flow and Citation Flow is pretty spot on and the closer they are to each other the more reliable the stats seem.

    So that's what I would do, run the filters through Majestic first and then afterwards use Spyglass to see if the links still exist.

    Not sure if people are aware of Netpeak Checker but man, that tool is worth it's weight in gold for sure, it pulls stats from everywhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      I would really not like to be dependent for the full 100% on SEOmoz / Majestic or Ahrefs.

      I mean I have PR1 domains with a Mozrank of 3+, go figure.

      And Ahrefs rank is definitely as unreliable as it can get, sites with Ahrefs rank of 800+ are PR0 domains..
      Yep. You know it. Forget PR of domains but all the backlinks as well. It would be a mess. Sounds to me from the end of that video thats the days are a coming though and every month that passes makes me wonder if its nearer than I think

      If I don't see anything this month rather than holding off I might go full fledge on a buying spree - while the metrics are still somewhat reliable
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yep. You know it. Forget PR of domains but all the backlinks as well. It would be a mess. Sounds to me from the end of that video thats the days are a coming though and every month that passes makes me wonder if its nearer than I think

        If I don't see anything this month rather than holding off I might go full fledge on a buying spree - while the metrics are still somewhat reliable
        Lol I didn't even think of the fact that the PR from the back links is also not visible, omg.

        Yeah I also start to believe more and more in that video, nice found.

        I do soon need to buy new domains so I wait another week or two and then f*ck it, perhaps I have to redesign a couple of my services and quit offering 4 PR3 posts, 4 PR4 bookmarks and 2 PR5 blog posts and that type of things,

        Thought about that earlier already btw cause each Google update I get nagging clients, why is my link not a PR4 site as advertised bla bla bla.

        Just wondering how I can word it differently so that it's still understanble for noobs, most people are aware of PR, stats from majestic like TF and CF mean nothing to them and just saying you get 10 strong links, lol, look how many people in the for sale section offer strong links and deal out wiki links and forum profiles at PR5+ domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      I would really not like to be dependent for the full 100% on SEOmoz / Majestic or Ahrefs.

      I mean I have PR1 domains with a Mozrank of 3+, go figure.

      And Ahrefs rank is definitely as unreliable as it can get, sites with Ahrefs rank of 800+ are PR0 domains.

      The only one that I put some faith & trust in is Majestic still, their combination of Trust Flow and Citation Flow is pretty spot on and the closer they are to each other the more reliable the stats seem.

      So that's what I would do, run the filters through Majestic first and then afterwards use Spyglass to see if the links still exist.

      Not sure if people are aware of Netpeak Checker but man, that tool is worth it's weight in gold for sure, it pulls stats from everywhere.

      Yeah trust flow is much better than all other even when the majestic crawler is slower than ahrefs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


      Not sure if people are aware of Netpeak Checker but man, that tool is worth it's weight in gold for sure, it pulls stats from everywhere.
      I pretty much do the same as you. And I could choose a domain, based on any one of the Netpeak outputs. Even to the point of taking sites that only really had FB/Twitter Viral traffic.
      There's so many different factors now a days then just using PR as the be all and end all of a good V bad domain.

      The only thing I wished Netpeak did show was, Compete Traffic scores. Because I like to monetize my Tier1 networks also. Even if its just for a few bucks a month profit, it sometimes covers the bills.
      So I'm not sweating about losing PR as a metric of value.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    That video is scaring me. Should not have watched it before going to bed.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by elperuanito View Post

      That video is scaring me. Should not have watched it before going to bed.
      LOL, that's what Matt Cutts lives for
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    If PR stopped being updated some 3rd party metrics would become the standard. Its been heading that way for some time. Anybody serious about link building is already using other metrics to determine domain and link strength. It would really take very little time before people were selling mozrank or something instead of page rank. No biggie.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexmw106
    I think with acess to MOZ and DA and PA ratings we can work out the quality of backlinks for the SEO marketers.

    I myself dont look so much at PR anymore so waiting for an update im not that bothered.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Moz would have to up their game . Sure people use the other metrics but they are nowhere near as reliable and for checking backlinks they just miss too many. I don't know of any serious domain buyer that relies just on their metrics now
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by alexmw106 View Post

      I think with acess to MOZ and DA and PA ratings we can work out the quality of backlinks for the SEO marketers.

      I myself dont look so much at PR anymore so waiting for an update im not that bothered.
      DA and PA are so easily manipulated that they are very unreliable.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by alexmw106 View Post

      I think with acess to MOZ and DA and PA ratings we can work out the quality of backlinks for the SEO marketers.

      I myself dont look so much at PR anymore so waiting for an update im not that bothered.
      Like Marc says, PA/DA isn't worth sh!t, and Mozrank is even worse so have fun relying on those, but yeah in fact everything is fakeable, even PR but most people don't go that far to also fake the PR of the back links to a domain so it would be a great loss, no matter how you look at it.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Like Marc says, PA/DA isn't worth sh!t, and Mozrank is even worse so have fun relying on those, but yeah in fact everything is fakeable, even PR but most people don't go that far to also fake the PR of the back links to a domain so it would be a great loss, no matter how you look at it.
        It would be the greatest loss to SEO since:

        1) The death of Yahoo Site Explorer
        2) Googles removal of referrers on many searchers.

        In other words, it would be one more attempted nail in the coffin from the G-Pr*cks
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        • Profile picture of the author karismasand
          I think you guys going to forward ... if Google will kill PR then internet will be full of spam like never was because webmasters will have no direction and will put backlinks everywhere.

          SeoMoz and Majestic is not Google, they use know metrics to tell you PA or DA just to buy their services.

          PR will stay long term from now one. All update from G was related to PR Just think!
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by karismasand View Post

            I think you guys going to forward ... if Google will kill PR then internet will be full of spam like never was because webmasters will have no direction and will put backlinks everywhere.

            SeoMoz and Majestic is not Google, they use know metrics to tell you PA or DA just to buy their services.

            PR will stay long term from now one. All update from G was related to PR Just think!
            Webmasters already do that. Have you ever built a brand new blog and had comment spam the next day? These guys link wherever they can
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          • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
            Originally Posted by karismasand View Post

            I think you guys going to forward ... if Google will kill PR then internet will be full of spam like never was because webmasters will have no direction and will put backlinks everywhere.

            SeoMoz and Majestic is not Google, they use know metrics to tell you PA or DA just to buy their services.

            PR will stay long term from now one. All update from G was related to PR Just think!
            Google will NEVER KILL PR but it can hide it from general people and it will help them in reducing the spam (as they think). They will never kill it and evaluate the links on the basis of PR but it wont be visible for public.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilikepie
    I think it is late due the updates that happened. According to them they took first a link network out. Later on Penguin 2.0 rolled out and a bit later there was also a unconfirmed update. It would not be logical to do an update just before all those changes.

    Same as it won't be logical to remove Pagerank now while a little while back they were talking about enough people using it blablabla. In just 4 months that complete user base etc is gone? Hard to believe.....
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ilikepie View Post

      Same as it won't be logical to remove Pagerank now while a little while back they were talking about enough people using it blablabla. In just 4 months that complete user base etc is gone? Hard to believe.....
      Removing it or not updating it are 2 different things
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      • Profile picture of the author ilikepie
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Removing it or not updating it are 2 different things
        Yup, as I state in my post I think they wait till the dust is settled down after all those updates (remove the bad apples first to reward the good ones later on). My post was mainly directed to the people who think Pagerank will be removed.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by ilikepie View Post

      I think it is late due the updates that happened. According to them they took first a link network out. Later on Penguin 2.0 rolled out and a bit later there was also a unconfirmed update. It would not be logical to do an update just before all those changes.

      Same as it won't be logical to remove Pagerank now while a little while back they were talking about enough people using it blablabla. In just 4 months that complete user base etc is gone? Hard to believe.....
      But he also said that Chrome doesn't support the toolbar directly and the newest version of IE won't either.

      There's no way the average person gives a crap about looking at a PR bar to determine the 'value' of a web page. Can you imagine an 11 year old evaluating a page like that these days?

      Do you think people clicking on their favorite Pins care about the PR? I think this metric is a dud, mainly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by ilikepie View Post

        There's no way the average person gives a crap about looking at a PR bar to determine the 'value' of a web page. Can you imagine an 11 year old evaluating a page like that these days?

        Yeah As I was watching that video I thought that was pretty weak. I have no confidence whatsoever that if Google thinks thats its biggest use they would not turn it off. In fact if thats how they see it then its doomed just a matter of when.
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yeah As I was watching that video I thought that was pretty weak. I have no confidence whatsoever that if Google thinks thats its biggest use they would not turn it off. In fact if thats how they see it then its doomed just a matter of when.
          I doubt Cutts is directly involved with the decision, but I'm sure he's given his input to whoever does decide.

          He seemed unconvinced and non-commital about the value.

          How people use the Internet has change immensely in the last few years. People engage much more with images and videos than they used to. Even the most popular images probably don't receive a ton of 'do follow' links.

          The days of a 'backlink' being a 'vote' for the popularity of a website could be ending.

          Do you know anyone who 'votes' that way?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

            Do you know anyone who 'votes' that way?
            I see hundreds every week. backlinks are nowhere even close to being gone. Its a total urban myth that sites do not link to others anymore. Go buy some aged domains and research their backlinks before buying them and that myth will go up in smoke.
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            • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I see hundreds every week. backlinks are nowhere even close to being gone. Its a total urban myth that sites do not link to others anymore. Go buy some aged domains and research their backlinks before buying them and that myth will go up in smoke.
              I'm sure some people still do. However, linking as some kind of 'vote' has to be on the decline.

              Six years ago Facebook barely existed. Tumblr wasn't around. Pinterest had not been invented.

              There were many more active bloggers then than now.

              All of these trends indicate that 'links' are no longer the pre-eminent and conclusive signal they used to be.

              Google has to stay in touch with the times. Their algo needs to advance. The fact they're struggling against link spam to this day indicates their advances are not coming fast enough.
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              • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
                Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                I'm sure some people still do. However, linking as some kind of 'vote' has to be on the decline.

                Six years ago Facebook barely existed. Tumblr wasn't around. Pinterest had not been invented.

                There were many more active bloggers then than now.

                All of these trends indicate that 'links' are no longer the pre-eminent and conclusive signal they used to be.
                I think there is lot of smoke about so called social signal but one of the founder of google expressed his concerned over the data hidden due to privacy settings that google bot cant crawl. So social signals may be a geek term can be used to power up your WSO but in realty i haven't seen any significance of it. By the way i never saw anyone blogging on Facebook or even pinterest.
                Links were and will be the pre-eminent signal for ranking.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Well It been another month. With that video in mind I am making the switch over to DA/PA and some Majestic SEo stuff. Yeah I know its not as reliable as PR was but lets face it PR right now is not very reliable either and the writing is on the wall.

                  This much is obvious - Google does not care to have the toolbar PR up to date. This states that loud and clear (after last year doing it every three months like clockwork). Everything they do or do not do is deliberate. Toolbar PR updates provide no really useful purpose to them and it drives alot of things they hate

                  Comment spam on high pr pages
                  Buying links
                  Buying aged domains
                  Link exchanges and on and on.

                  I figured its better to learn how to make the other metrics work for me than relying on Google going forward to give me accurate PR metrics.
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


                    This much is obvious - Google does not care to have the toolbar PR up to date. This states that loud and clear (after last year doing it every three months like clockwork). Everything they do or do not do is deliberate. Toolbar PR updates provide no really useful purpose to them and it drives alot of things they hate
                    I agree: I wouldn't be surprised if the February update was the last one ever.

                    Another weird thing:

                    I always noticed that brand new pages got a PRN/A...and then turned to PR0 when they were due for some PR during the next update.

                    In other words:

                    I'd publish a post....automatically PR n/a
                    Because it has some juice, it would change to PR0 after a few weeks
                    Then it would show whatever PR (PR2, PR3 etc.) after the update.

                    But since the last update I haven't seen any pages change to PR0...they're staying at PR n/a.

                    Might be nothing but it makes me wonder...
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

                      I agree: I wouldn't be surprised if the February update was the last one ever.

                      Another weird thing:

                      I always noticed that brand new pages got a PRN/A...and then turned to PR0 when they were due for some PR during the next update.

                      In other words:

                      I'd publish a post....automatically PR n/a
                      Because it has some juice, it would change to PR0 after a few weeks
                      Then it would show whatever PR (PR2, PR3 etc.) after the update.

                      But since the last update I haven't seen any pages change to PR0...they're staying at PR n/a.

                      Might be nothing but it makes me wonder...
                      Seeing the same thing here as well indeed. Pretty odd.
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                      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

                      I agree: I wouldn't be surprised if the February update was the last one ever.

                      Another weird thing:

                      I always noticed that brand new pages got a PRN/A...and then turned to PR0 when they were due for some PR during the next update.

                      In other words:

                      I'd publish a post....automatically PR n/a
                      Because it has some juice, it would change to PR0 after a few weeks
                      Then it would show whatever PR (PR2, PR3 etc.) after the update.

                      But since the last update I haven't seen any pages change to PR0...they're staying at PR n/a.

                      Might be nothing but it makes me wonder...
                      Hey Brian, I noticed this too. In fact you don't even need content. A few YT videos will do the same.
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      • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        There's no way the average person gives a crap about looking at a PR bar to determine the 'value' of a web page.
        You are right it seems so but i have seen quite a few videos in which Matt himself answered this question by saying that there are lot of people who check PR and determine the value of page. I dont know how he got it but he claimed that in few videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author shanrocks1985
    It will be late this time, Google is too busy in making Google Search Result Crappy
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    Well Mike i see you are the one who come harsh on the newbies here who post their predictions about PR update and today you asking for same!
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  • Profile picture of the author dumindu89
    Only Google knows about the next PR update. But I don't think there is no need to think too much about that unless you sell links.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    Yeah - agreed. It just seems too easy to just look at PR and benefit. PR will still exist, just not put on a plate for us every few months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Oh, I just remembered. I can show you an example of when PR focusing goes wrong. Seeing that Google woke up and pulled the domain out of GoDaddy auction against my $80 Only (Bidder) Bid.

    GStatic.com Was in GoDaddy auctions a couple of weeks ago. GStatic has a PR 3 hompage.
    Anyone know who GStatic is?


    gstatic.com is a domain used by Google which is an other company that is part of a network of sites, cookies, and other technologies used to track you, what you do and what you click on, as you go from site to site, surfing the Web. Over time, sites like gstatic.com can help make an online profile of you usually including the sites you visit, your searches, purchases, and other behavior. Your profile can then be exchanged and sold between various companies like gstatic.com as well as being sold to other advertisers and marketers.
    A Google owned domain. Want to see its link profile?



    $80, I was the only bid. I don't trust PR alone. Too many other things going on.
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    No updates on pagerank yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    A great combo move by Google - dropping PR updates and dropping public availability of the Adwords Keyword Tool. Nice!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      A great combo move by Google - dropping PR updates and dropping public availability of the Adwords Keyword Tool. Nice!
      They didn't drop it. They just refurbished and relaunched it as the Keyword Planner.

      They would never drop the keyword tool completely. It is for the benefit of Adwords Advertisers, which is their bread and butter. It would be stupid for them to do that.
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      • Profile picture of the author river99
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        They didn't drop it. They just refurbished and relaunched it as the Keyword Planner.

        They would never drop the keyword tool completely. It is for the benefit of Adwords Advertisers, which is their bread and butter. It would be stupid for them to do that.
        what do you think mike about google drop pr toolbar? what should people do to backlink their website without pr information?
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    That's why I said public availability - you will have to sign up to use the planner.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      That's why I said public availability - you will have to sign up to use the planner.

      Unless my memory fails me shouldn't you always have had an adword account? You get only limited information without it as I recall (had an adword account for so many years now I don't even remember much about the external access)
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Unless my memory fails me shouldn't you always have had an adword account? You get only limited information without it as I recall (had an adword account for so many years now I don't even remember much about the external access)
        It's been possible to use the Google Adwords Keyword Tool without an Adwords account up until now. That freebie will disappear very soon. Panic will set in.

        Like I said earlier, You'd be a fool to RELY on this tool anyway. I got slagged for saying that. The truth is, if you know your niche or keyword, in any way, shape or form, you shouldn't have to RELY on any keyword tool. Our brains can parse sufficient information to get by.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

          It's been possible to use the Google Adwords Keyword Tool without an Adwords account up until now. That freebie will disappear very soon. Panic will set in.

          Like I said earlier, You'd be a fool to RELY on this tool anyway. I got slagged for saying that. The truth is, if you know your niche or keyword, in any way, shape or form, you shouldn't have to RELY on any keyword tool. Our brains can parse sufficient information to get by.
          And the truth is you would be a fool NOT to look at the data provided by this tool. Doesn't matter how well you think you know a niche. You could be missing great opportunities or overestimating other opportunities.

          Not to mention that even within a niche, a keyword or phrase people use in your area, might not be all that popular in another part of the country and vice-versa. Like the difference between 'soda' and 'pop' in different parts of the United States.

          Although the data is estimates, it is in Google's best interest to provide relatively accurate data. The tool is for advertisers, i.e. Google's income stream, not for SEO's.
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  • Profile picture of the author yunoblog
    Can anyone explain to me why pagerank is important? I've given up on it ages ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    Originally Posted by Dead Body View Post

    Might be in July or maximum in August the pagerank bar will be updated, remember change in pagerank is the change in pagerank API's database.
    Seriously, what is the point of this post?

    How do you know that it "might be in July?"
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      Seriously, what is the point of this post?

      How do you know that it "might be in July?"
      Quite standard post, once it becomes August they say it might come in August.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

        Seriously, what is the point of this post?

        How do you know that it "might be in July?"
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Quite standard post, once it becomes August they say it might come in August.
        For the record, there was a similar PR thread a year or so back, we all laughed at a guy when he said an exact PR update date, damn If the public PR didn't update on that exact date. Just saying.
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        • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          For the record, there was a similar PR thread a year or so back, we all laughed at a guy when he said an exact PR update date, damn If the public PR didn't update on that exact date. Just saying.
          Wait, what?

          Where is that guy now when we need him?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

            Wait, what?

            Where is that guy now when we need him?

            Witness protection

            Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

            Our brains can parse sufficient information to get by.
            How do brains pick up how much times a search is done across the world - telepathy?
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          • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
            Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

            Wait, what?

            Where is that guy now when we need him?
            Google called in a favor with the NSA and had him eliminated.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

            Wait, what?

            Where is that guy now when we need him?
            Impossible to find the old thread, too many threads that mention the keywords (pagerank, PR, update). I'm tired of looking, lol, Google flagged my IP for searching too fast, not interested enough to keep looking/resetting my modem.
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            • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Impossible to find the old thread, too many threads that mention the keywords (pagerank, PR, update). I'm tired of looking, lol, Google flagged my IP for searching too fast, not interested enough to keep looking/resetting my modem.
              No worries. I wasn't actually suggesting that you find the guy, LOL.

              It doesn't really matter if we know the date or not...it's not like it will change anything I do. It's just nice to see what pages did what after each update.

              I only care because Backlinko's homepage is showing PR1 even though it's (probably) PR3 or PR4. PR1 isn't good for street cred
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              • Profile picture of the author smodha
                Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

                No worries. I wasn't actually suggesting that you find the guy, LOL.

                It doesn't really matter if we know the date or not...it's not like it will change anything I do. It's just nice to see what pages did what after each update.

                I only care because Backlinko's homepage is showing PR1 even though it's (probably) PR3 or PR4. PR1 isn't good for street cred
                Your DA/PR is definitely incorrect. I've had a look at Backlinko's link profile and it's insane.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Just for the record. Two domains I published - one in May one in June - do show PR0 on the home pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Just for the record. Two domains I published - one in May one in June - do show PR0 on the home pages.
      Interesting. I have a post from April with over 630 links from 100+ domains that is PR n/a.

      Wonder what they're up to over there at Mountain View...
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      • Profile picture of the author palms
        I posted 4 pages on a site that were all linked from the PR6 home page. The first 3 pages all turned into PR6s also (which surprised me), but the last one which was published right after the last PR update has stayed greybar the entire time.

        To be honest, I'm wondering why Google has kept the PR Toolbar around even this long, since it's really only an asset to SEOs and domain/link buyers and sellers.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    It will be nice if they'll fix the bug that allows URLs to get the PR of the URL they are redirected to. This will vanish a very large market of fake PR domains used for spammy purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author tightline
    Think of it this way: the fact that Google is delaying this should tell you that they don't see it as prominent anymore.

    Focus on high quality, relevant content.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by tbtb123 View Post

      It will be nice if they'll fix the bug that allows URLs to get the PR of the URL they are redirected to. This will vanish a very large market of fake PR domains used for spammy purposes.
      Those domains do not get the PR of the URL they are redirected to. It is just the toolbar not reporting it correctly.

      Originally Posted by tightline View Post

      Think of it this way: the fact that Google is delaying this should tell you that they don't see it as prominent anymore.

      Focus on high quality, relevant content.
      How quickly people forget. It was not all that long ago that they went nearly a year with no PR update. This is not something new.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        How quickly people forget. It was not all that long ago that they went nearly a year with no PR update. This is not something new.
        No one has forgotten so don't assume we have. However they did make an effort to do the pagerank once every three months pretty consistently last year so 6 month with none most definitely IS a change.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    "Google is currently running a “multi-week” rollout of an update that will continue until the week after July 4th. "
    So July 11-12 might be the new speculated date
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Google is going to take their 'Fool's Gold' away finally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simin
    maybe you can mention mattcutts on twitter , and ask him directly
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  • Profile picture of the author sanusense
    Last year they were gone mad and their consecutive updates really messed my entire site works, and now this year it's totally silent. Probably they're cooking sea food :p
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    I have a feeling that Google will do something about it tomorrow.
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by tbtb123 View Post

      I have a feeling that Google will do something about it tomorrow.
      The voices in my head said it will be the day after tomorrow at 12:52pm.
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  • Profile picture of the author luqmankyz
    Expected in July. But no one can be sure why it is getting so late. Just one thing I can tell you is everyone is waiting for it!
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by luqmankyz View Post

      Expected in July. But no one can be sure why it is getting so late. Just one thing I can tell you is everyone is waiting for it!
      I am not waiting for it! What exactly are you waiting for? The rankings don't change when they export the data to the tool bar. Any impact PR has on the rankings is factored in on a daily basis by Google, so nothing changes. What they export to the tool bar is old data.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    How do brains pick up how much times a search is done across the world - telepathy?
    My point is that the G adwords tool will disappear for all those that cannot get an Adwords account or have already blown theirs out of the water. All KW tools that rely on the adwords tool will also be decimated. I understand and recognise that the keyword tool is valuable, what I'm posing is the fact that it will disappear for many once Google bring about their change to the planner tool. Mike F and Mike A you must realise that I'm just bringing up worst case scenarios here. What is about to happen could be devastating to some of this community. (It will be welcomed by others). I also still believe that things can go on without access to the tool. It's not very accurate and it misses a lot. If folks could get their heads around keyword research WITHOUT RELYING on this kw tool, they'd find themselves in a better position going forward. What I've always been banging on about is RELYING on this tool... I highly doubt that either of you RELY on it. Of course, it's worth using to the full when it's available. It's just not looking like it's gonna be available to some in the near future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      The tools issue is legitimate but I couldn't find any definitive word of whether their API will be completely locked down. As for the community being impacted because they have "blown theirs out of the water". Thats just a another indication of how much of the community sucks.

      I can see worse case scenario. I just can't see how you are going to guess numbers as you enter a new niche. No I don't rely on it but thats because neither I nor anyone I do business with is trying to rank for just one term. as real businesses they have more than one phrase that can bring them money.

      IF this forces the MFA and affiliate pages webmasters who have burnt their adwords accounts for some crazy reason then thats great as far as I am concerned too.




      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      My point is that the G adwords tool will disappear for all those that cannot get an Adwords account or have already blown theirs out of the water. All KW tools that rely on the adwords tool will also be decimated. I understand and recognise that the keyword tool is valuable, what I'm posing is the fact that it will disappear for many once Google bring about their change to the planner tool. Mike F and Mike A you must realise that I'm just bringing up worst case scenarios here. What is about to happen could be devastating to some of this community.
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    Still not here yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author mmh3
    My Page rank finally posted... unless it's a bug or something. My site is 3 months old.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    just waiting to see any update by google, I hope everything will be fine and will not effect much as it did the last time.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmh3
    bleh, nevermind.. looks like my toolbar bugged out. =(
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    • Profile picture of the author mikelmraz
      Originally Posted by mmh3 View Post

      bleh, nevermind.. looks like my toolbar bugged out. =(
      Maybe they have finally retired it for good.
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    So, still no?
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    PAGE RANK depends upon many factors other than traffic and YES Google is unpredictable.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgescifo
    These days most of the webmasters do not really bother about the page ranks. But the page ranks are still a good measure when it comes to getting links and getting paid advertisments. for blogs, a higher page rank will ensure more sponsored posts and more revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLondon
    For webmasters NOT doing Internet Marketing thing, PageRank is also a good measure of the quality of the website and it's popularity. I even use the PRChecker toolbar for when I'm browsing the web for personal reasons which have nothing to do with IM or link building.

    PR can't go anywhere; and if it does, Google will introduce a substitute short after that.
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    • Profile picture of the author pasik
      Originally Posted by TLondon View Post

      For webmasters NOT doing Internet Marketing thing, PageRank is also a good measure of the quality of the website and it's popularity. I even use the PRChecker toolbar for when I'm browsing the web for personal reasons which have nothing to do with IM or link building.

      PR can't go anywhere; and if it does, Google will introduce a substitute short after that.
      Usually webmasters who are not doing IM have no clue about PR. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by TLondon View Post

      PR can't go anywhere; and if it does, Google will introduce a substitute short after that.
      You are day dreaming. THey have no reason to show the public PR and the video in this thread has already shown that they intend at some point to remove it

      Originally Posted by arthisoftseo View Post

      Please STOP this discussion. Only GOD and GOOGLE know about it, as be patient about it...
      Please stop signature spamming the board while trying to be a mod.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You are day dreaming. THey have no reason to show the public PR and the video in this thread has already shown that they intend at some point to remove it
        I'm going to disagree. Here is what Matt Cutts said...
        Internet Explorer 10, as I understand it, doesn't allow toolbars or add-ins. Or as Microsoft calls it, "It provides an add-in free experience." So, you know, if IE 10 becomes more popular, eventually it might be the case that the Google Toolbar is not as commonly used, and in that case, it might be such that over time the PageRank feature is not used by as many people, and so maybe it will go away on its own. Or eventually it will reach the point where maintaining this is not worth the amount of work. A lot of people do use it. I believe we will continue to support those people while they continue to use the Google Toolbar. But it looks like the writing is on the wall with Internet Explorer 10 that things like the Google Toolbar won't be allowed anymore, so we'll see how that makes things develop in the future.
        I took it his "writing on the wall" comment to refer specifically to IE 10, not the Toolbar overall. I think he just meant there is not going to be any future support of it on IE 10 because Microsoft won't allow it.

        Basically he was implying that if IE 10 ever got really popular, the Toolbar would likely go away because it would dramatically lose users.

        Last I checked, IE 10 has about 2% of market share.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I'm going to disagree. Here is what Matt Cutts said...I took it his "writing on the wall" comment to refer specifically to IE 10, not the Toolbar overall. I think he just meant there is not going to be any future support of it on IE 10 because Microsoft won't allow it.

          Nope... the entire context of the video is clear. You are simply ignoring the very question that was asked for the video answer to be given in the first place. It shows a clear willingness to get rid of it. Besides you made the counter point yourself - if its not normal to update on a regular basis then the users who use it are not even getting the accurate information a lot of the time. There are PR4s and way up out there with little to no links.

          IF Google can go 6 months shucks even near a year without updating - people are just kidding themselves they would never take it away for good. Makes no sense plus neither does the idea that MS would determine what Google does.

          btw you numbers are way too old

          Microsoft's browser auto-update pays off as IE10 share doubles - Computerworld

          IE10 sits at like 10% and is rising fast. Always does as a new OS is adopted.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            IF Google can go 6 months shucks even near a year without updating - people are just kidding themselves they would never take it away for good. Makes no sense plus neither does the idea that MS would determine what Google does.

            btw you numbers are way too old

            Microsoft's browser auto-update pays off as IE10 share doubles - Computerworld

            IE10 sits at like 10% and is rising fast. Always does as a new OS is adopted.
            That 10% number is usage among all users of IE, not all browsers. I'm sure the 2% is low, but it is not too far off.

            And it is not MS determining what Google does. It is the users. He just meant that if IE 10 rises greatly in popularity, that is probably going to impact the number of users utilizing the Google Toolbar, which could cause them to dump it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              That 10% number is usage among all users of IE, not all browsers. I'm sure the 2% is low, but it is not too far off.

              Fair enough. Wrong link

              IE10 Passes IE9, Firefox Down but Chrome Up

              Net Applications: IE10 overtakes IE9 in browser market share - Neowin

              The actual market share number is actually higher at 13.5% so yep that 2% number is way off. Its growing pretty fast too. It will totally blow Chrome out in two more months .

              And it is not MS determining what Google does. It is the users.
              Sure it is. Who is determining what will run in IE 10? You can disagree but it makes no sense whatsoever to me that a company that is in a browser war is saying they will drop a feature just because a competitor will not have it. Its just not that important to Google is all. The customers look at it to determine the authority of a site was always weak anyway. 9 out of 10 people don't even know what page rank is.

              I'm moving to a combination of Mozrank and Trustflow. Yes moz can be manipulated but people should always be checking backlinks anyway and I have found that a combination of Mozrank and trustflow is BETTER than pagerank for analysis especially considering the update issues with PR.

              Shucks just DA and PA by themselves right now is more reliable than PR. I see a ton load of PR 3s on the market with DAs of 1 - guess which is more accurate?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Fair enough. Wrong link

                IE10 Passes IE9, Firefox Down but Chrome Up

                Net Applications: IE10 overtakes IE9 in browser market share - Neowin

                The actual number is actually higher at 13.5% so yep that 2% number is way off. Its growing pretty fast too

                Lol... Those sneaky *******s at Microsoft. They did a forced update of IE 9 to IE 10 on anyone running Windows 7 or 8.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  Lol... Those sneaky *******s at Microsoft. They did a forced update of IE 9 to IE 10 on anyone running Windows 7 or 8.
                  Ah so a MS hater? Anyway I love my updates. Not too sneaky when we have been using them for years but yeah for whatever reason the condition Matt talked about is coming on real quick. Doubling like every two three months.

                  I find that DA is pretty accurate on the low end. When it shows a DA of 0 or 1, it seems to be right on. It's good for weeding out total duds. Anything with a DA over 10 though seems to be all over the place.
                  Yeah totally agree. which is why in the PR4 and up range Trustflow really helps to do a quick look to see if theres really anything there. BTW backlink monitor is really kicking it for me. I know you found it slow but Put in some proxies and take out the delays and it works well. I got an API key from ahrefs for $50 and have been using it for two months

                  No monthly fees - a penny per check. When it runs out just reload but it takes like 5000 domain checks to run out
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Shucks just DA and PA by themselves right now is more reliable than PR. I see a ton load of PR 3s on the market with DAs of 1 - guess which is more accurate?
                I find that DA is pretty accurate on the low end. When it shows a DA of 0 or 1, it seems to be right on. It's good for weeding out total duds. Anything with a DA over 10 though seems to be all over the place.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLondon
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You are day dreaming. THey have no reason to show the public PR and the video in this thread has already shown that they intend at some point to remove it
        That's what I said. They will most likely remove PR, but introduce some kind of substitute instead. There is no way they are leaving 'page ranking' without moderation for somebody else to jump in and take control.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by TLondon View Post

          There is no way they are leaving 'page ranking' without moderation for somebody else to jump in and take control.
          Sorry I don't even know what that means. PR doesn't need moderating. Maybe you mean something else? But any which way the greater majority of people do not use PR at all so theres nothing to take control of.
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          • Profile picture of the author TLondon
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sorry I don't even know what that means. PR doesn't need moderating. Maybe you mean something else? But any which way the greater majority of people do not use PR at all so theres nothing to take control of.
            Let me clarify.

            - PRing exist to show the quality of the website by giving it a rank.
            - High PR websites are more trusted not only by algorithms, but by Internet-savvy users (I always check PR using my toolbar when I have doubts about the website; it tells a lot).
            - If Google takes PR system away, they will introduce some kind of other method of providing ranks/assessment of website's quality and trust, because if they won't -- someone else will, as knowing the quality of the product by looking at how the authority has reviewed it is a huge thing. (see Yelp)
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by TLondon View Post

              - If Google takes PR system away, they will introduce some kind of other method of providing ranks/assessment of website's quality and trust, because if they won't -- someone else will,
              TL they already suggest the sites in google results. Sorry but you are in the vast minority. Very few people use the toolbar to tell authority. Most browser usage can't even get the number without installing a plugin plus its really not a good way to determine worth. You can buy links and increase PR without having good content.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLondon
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                TL they already suggest the sites in google results. Sorry but you are in the vast minority. Very few people use the toolbar to tell authority. Most browser usage can't even get the number without installing a plugin plus its really not a good way to determine worth. You can buy links and increase PR without having good content.
                Yes, and the reasons you've listed are probably why Google might drop PR and introduce something new for ranking pages -- something that would work better than PageRank(c) did.

                It's all pointless speculation anyway.
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    And we people are after page rank, any general internet users may not have knowledge about it..

    However, page rank is important thing as of now..... it works when you are going to buy/sell links, web sites..

    If you have a service/business website and it has NA pr then people wouldn't trust you..
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