GSA or Magic Submitter or Ultimate Demon?

11 years ago

The most important question is what your aims are - what kind of link building are you looking to do? Spam the heck out of a site or something more conservative? Focus on being able to program your own sites into the software, or just blast existing lists? The thing is that none of these programs will give you magic rankings - - you need to have a decent plan in regard to what kind of links you want pointing to your money site, whether they were built by a bot, VA or yourself. Answer those questions and then pick something that will save you time in achieving it.

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JoeTavs 11 years ago

I use GSA for tier II and tier III links. The mail reason I use it is it is very easy to setup and run.

Over all, I have the most luck with indexing when I build manual web 2.0 links.

Once the manual links get indexed I use GSA to built links to these links.

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- godoveryou 11 years ago
  
  I've enjoyed drip feeding links with RankWyz + GSA lately.
  
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PhotogJohn

11 years ago

I have GSA, but haven't used it lately. I wonder if it would still help with YouTube videos?

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burton4550

11 years ago

The most important question is what your aims are - what kind of link building are you looking to do? Spam the heck out of a site or something more conservative? Focus on being able to program your own sites into the software, or just blast existing lists? The thing is that none of these programs will give you magic rankings - - you need to have a decent plan in regard to what kind of links you want pointing to your money site, whether they were built by a bot, VA or yourself. Answer those questions and then pick something that will save you time in achieving it.

Mainly will be using it for tiered link building. My first Tier is "ALL" maunually built 2.0 sites and 10-15 are those are built almost if they were money sites with 5-10 pages/posts containing unique valuable content relevant for to my main site.

I've also read some post's in here lately that spam sites were actually ranking better after the recent update. I'm sure that won't stick, but I'm also curious and want to test that theory.

I use GSA for tier II and tier III links. The mail reason I use it is it is very easy to setup and run.

Exactly what I plan to do with it, good to know it's easy to set up and run

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GyuMan82

11 years ago

If tiered linkbuilding is what you are after than GSA would be your best bet out of the three.

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elperuanito

11 years ago

GSA a no-brainer in that case

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rahasia 11 years ago

My choice is GSA for their one time payment.
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DexterGallagher

11 years ago

We use Ultimate Demon and it works for us.

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RockNRolla

11 years ago

I use Ultimate Demon myself. I use it more for linking to videos/web 2.0 properties/Yahoo Answers etc rather than my money pages now. It still does a good job of indexing and adding a bit of link juice to these properties but I wouldn't be overly keen on using it on my money sites any more.

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burton4550 11 years ago

Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'm going to give GSA a whirl and if that doesn't pan out, I'll Ultimate Demon.
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- godoveryou 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by burton4550
  
  Thanks for the help everyone. I think I'm going to give GSA a whirl and if that doesn't pan out, I'll Ultimate Demon.
  
  Good choice sir.
  
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dennis09

11 years ago

Just a tip for those of you planning to use GSA. You'll want to buy GSA Capcha Breaker as well. With a consistent 80%+ success rate it's the best on the market right now and will pay for itself in only a few DAYS.

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burton4550

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Just a tip for those of you planning to use GSA. You'll want to buy GSA Capcha Breaker as well. With a consistent 80%+ success rate it's the best on the market right now and will pay for itself in only a few DAYS.

Thank you Dennis

I was actually going to ask about Capcha breakers too.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

How do you get it at 80%?

I was a beta tester and had trouble getting more than 60% on it's best days, and these days closer to 45%.

What's the secret sauce there? Is it maybe just the platforms you are using?

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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

How do you get it at 80%?

I was a beta tester and had trouble getting more than 60% on it's best days, and these days closer to 45%.

What's the secret sauce there? Is it maybe just the platforms you are using?

Wow 45% is horrible! A LOT of updates have come out since the beta stage. About 1 per day to be exact. In the new CB go to settings and enable the option to only solve if success rate is more than X%.

If you don't want to cut out any platforms then go to settings and move the accuracy vs speed slider to the far right. The speed decrease is negligible because it's still a lot faster than querying a remote capcha service.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Oh I'm well away of how many updates have come out

If you are enabling only if the option is more than X% than you are skewing your own results and the percentage you are quoting is inaccurate.

My 45% is a more accurate number of all captchas encountered except Recaptcha which i do have skipped for obvious reasons.

Your 65% is a percentage only based on a smaller percentage of the total captcha's encountered.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

How many links you guys are able to build per day with GSA?

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

How many links you guys are able to build per day with GSA?

I've capped out around 15,000 a day. Godoveryou is probably doing that per hour.
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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Oh I'm well away of how many updates have come out

If you are enabling only if the option is more than X% than you are skewing your own results and the percentage you are quoting is inaccurate.

My 45% is a more accurate number of all captchas encountered except Recaptcha which i do have skipped for obvious reasons.

Your 65% is a percentage only based on a smaller percentage of the total captcha's encountered.

I went back and enabled all of the platforms again after first reading this and i'm getting 66% which is still a lot higher than 45%. To be fair i'll let it run for a full 24 hours and post a screenshot.

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How many links you guys are able to build per day with GSA?

I get roughly the EXACT same numbers as Mike. 14,400 per day with an average of 12 links per minute. If you import your own site lists into GSA and use the global list option then you can quickly up that number to the million range per day. If you don't want to bother scanning then you can grab as many lists as you want from getlinklist.com

edit: I'm using the scheduler to run 12 active projects at a time. If I had a faster VPS this could also be increased, but i'm ok for now.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I went back and enabled all of the platforms again after first reading this and i'm getting 66% which is still a lot higher than 45%. To be fair i'll let it run for a full 24 hours and post a screenshot.

Hi Dennis -

I don't think we know each other. I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't exactly 'new' to this whole link building and SEO thing

I've been around for YEEEAAARRRSSSSS. A long time... I'm the administrator of SEOSUnite.com

Maybe you don't realize this, but unless you flushed your captcha count then your figures would still be skewed. If you have 300k (imaginary number) captchas solved at 65%, the 40,000 captchas you solve tonight at 40% would only dilute the 65% a minor degree.

Let's Do The Math Together (based on imaginary numbers since I don't actually know how many captcha's you have in your total count)

300,000 captchas solved at 65% = 195,000 good solves
40,000 captchas solved tonight at 40% = 16,000 good solves
Totals: 211,000 good solves out of 340,000 total = 62%

Do you see how that works? Unless you flush your captcha count, running it correctly for one night will still show a greatly skewed total - which I suppose is okay if you just want to be right and don't care about what is actually correct.

So, if you don't mind - instead of waiting for you to give me yet another skewed figure just so you can feel like you've proved some point to someone you might think is a noob (:p that's funny) here's my live picture:

Now then, why don't take a picture of your screen now & a screenshot later so that we can extrapolate what your ACTUAL effective percentage was based on images.

Or you can take a look at my screen shot and drop it if you want to save me the time it would take to do the math on yours.

FURTHER MORE

These pictures of our captcha breakers MEANS NOTHING

See, it's all dependent on the captcha's the program encounters and that is in part due to the platforms we have selected to be used.

So for instance, if I was to select just PLIGG sites, I might show a 85-90% solve rate. Would it be fair of me to then claim that captcha breaker has a 85-90% solve rate based on jsut one platform?

Of course not.

So do me a favor and stop trying to be right at any cost. Does it really matter anyways?

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burton4550

11 years ago

I've been around for YEEEAAARRRSSSSS

So..... Before you guys get to involved in this percentage mathematical equation

I've got a couple more questions on GSA since you've got some good experience with it.

This will be my first software, do you happen to know of some good tutorials for it? I found a few on YouTube, but not sure if they're just going to show me how to use and get penalized.

Second, when I purchase GSA will I have the option to purchase the Capcha Breaker, or do I need to go elsewhere to get that?

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by burton4550

So..... Before you guys get to involved in this percentage mathematical equation

I've got a couple more questions on GSA since you've got some good experience with it.

This will be my first software, do you happen to know of some good tutorials for it? I found a few on YouTube, but not sure if they're just going to show me how to use and get penalized.

Second, when I purchase GSA will I have the option to purchase the Capcha Breaker, or do I need to go elsewhere to get that?

There are a variety of tutorials out there.

Both Ozz'es Guide and Ron's Guide are based off of my Content-To-Content Tiered Link Building Strategy as you can find HERE and HERE

With GSA you will have to get use to the tiered concept overall. You can of course just blast your site withlinks, but who knows how well that will work in the long term.

You can buy GSA CB here <- Not Affiliate Link

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burton4550

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

There are a variety of tutorials out there.

Both Ozz'es Guide and Ron's Guide are based off of my Content-To-Content Tiered Link Building Strategy as you can find HERE and HERE

With GSA you will have to get use to the tiered concept overall. You can of course just blast your site withlinks, but who knows how well that will work in the long term.

You can buy GSA CB here <- Not Affiliate Link

Sweetness! Thank you very much.
I'll be getting it this weekend

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godoveryou 11 years ago

Originally Posted by burton4550

Sweetness! Thank you very much.
I'll be getting it this weekend

You're welcome.
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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Hi Dennis -

I don't think we know each other. I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't exactly 'new' to this whole link building and SEO thing

I've been around for YEEEAAARRRSSSSS. A long time... I'm the administrator of SEOSUnite.com

Jeez guy what bit you in the @ss today?? Not sure where the defensive tone came from, but I never said anything about you NOT being around for a long time. I can clearly see your registration date. But since you've been around so long you should know that it really doesn't mean squat. Besides, who around here ISN'T the administrator at some site.

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Maybe you don't realize this, but unless you flushed your captcha count then your figures would still be skewed. If you have 300k (imaginary number) captchas solved at 65%, the 40,000 captchas you solve tonight at 40% would only dilute the 65% a minor degree.

No, i haven't flushed my capchas. I don't see an option for it so i'm assuming it has to be done manually.

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Let's Do The Math Together (based on imaginary numbers since I don't actually know how many captcha's you have in your total count)

300,000 captchas solved at 65% = 195,000 good solves
40,000 captchas solved tonight at 40% = 16,000 good solves
Totals: 211,000 good solves out of 340,000 total = 62%

Do you see how that works? Unless you flush your captcha count, running it correctly for one night will still show a greatly skewed total - which I suppose is okay if you just want to be right and don't care about what is actually correct.

Since you like imaginary numbers so much here's some for you:

Death By Capcha: 1.39 per 1,000 units
Daily verified links created in GSA: Apprx 15,000

Now do the math. That's about $20 per day that i'm saving by using CB. Keep in mind that even this is a VERY lowball number. If you notice I used the verified link count vs the total submitted which you and I know is a LOT higher.

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Now then, why don't take a picture of your screen now & a screenshot later so that we can extrapolate what your ACTUAL effective percentage was based on images.

If it makes you happy show me how to reset the capcha count and i'll post a shot now and at the 24 hour mark. Scouts promise.

Originally Posted by godoveryou

So do me a favor and stop trying to be right at any cost. Does it really matter anyways?

Hmmm, you must be one of the slower ones here. Seems to me like you're the one with the need to be right about something at any cost. You asked me if my high rate was because of my platform selection and I already said yes. My whole point was that GSA Capcha Breaker is one of the best self hosted capcha solvers on the market right now and saves quite a lot of money. If you know of something better then by all means please do share and stop b#tching about something that even you admitted to be pointless.

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godoveryou

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Jeez guy what bit you in the @ss today?? Not sure where the defensive tone came from, but I never said anything about you NOT being around for a long time. I can clearly see your registration date. But since you've been around so long you should know that it really doesn't mean squat. Besides, who around here ISN'T the administrator at some site.

No, i haven't flushed my capchas. I don't see an option for it so i'm assuming it has to be done manually.

Since you like imaginary numbers so much here's some for you:

Death By Capcha: 1.39 per 1,000 units
Daily verified links created in GSA: Apprx 15,000

Now do the math. That's about $20 per day that i'm saving by using CB. Keep in mind that even this is a VERY lowball number. If you notice I used the verified link count vs the total submitted which you and I know is a LOT higher.

If it makes you happy show me how to reset the capcha count and i'll post a shot now and at the 24 hour mark. Scouts promise.

Hmmm, you must be one of the slower ones here. Seems to me like you're the one with the need to be right about something at any cost. You asked me if my high rate was because of my platform selection and I already said yes. My whole point was that GSA Capcha Breaker is one of the best self hosted capcha solvers on the market right now and saves quite a lot of money. If you know of something better then by all means please do share and stop b#tching about something that even you admitted to be pointless.

Good luck with everything.

No, really - good luck 'killin it'

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Originally Posted by dennis09

I went back and enabled all of the platforms again after first reading this and i'm getting 66% which is still a lot higher than 45%. To be fair i'll let it run for a full 24 hours and post a screenshot.

I get roughly the EXACT same numbers as Mike. 14,400 per day with an average of 12 links per minute. If you import your own site lists into GSA and use the global list option then you can quickly up that number to the million range per day. If you don't want to bother scanning then you can grab as many lists as you want from getlinklist.com

edit: I'm using the scheduler to run 12 active projects at a time. If I had a faster VPS this could also be increased, but i'm ok for now.

When I runned the trial I was happy to get like 1 live link every minute.

You only create certain specific links or just totally random?

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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

When I runned the trial I was happy to get like 1 live link every minute.

You only create certain specific links or just totally random?

GSA definitely requires a lot of tweeking to up the links per minute. Initially I ran it with ALL platforms and then after a few days of running went back to see which ones were giving me low scrape/success rates and just turned those off. You can also import your own lists which speed things up considerably.

I also use Ron'scontextual/kitchensink setup:

edit: You should go read Ron's guide over at the GSA forum to see how/why this works. The entire premise is basically to avoid backlinking to crappy non-contextual links, which is why they are off to the side and not in the main tier chain.

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nik0

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Originally Posted by dennis09

GSA definitely requires a lot of tweeking to up the links per minute. Initially I ran it with ALL platforms and then after a few days of running went back to see which ones were giving me low scrape/success rates and just turned those off. You can also import your own lists which speed things up considerably.

I also use Ron'scontextual/kitchensink setup:

edit: You should go read Ron's guide over at the GSA forum to see how/why this works. The entire premise is basically to avoid backlinking to crappy non-contextual links, which is why they are off to the side and not in the main tier chain.

Thanks for all the details but I think I'll just stick with my web2.0 and high PR network, the last time that I tried GSA I got sick & tired from filling in all the details for each type of link that it supports. Imagine when you have to build tiered links for 300 different clients per month (half is onetime packages) that way.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Thanks for all the details but I think I'll just stick with my web2.0 and high PR network, the last time that I tried GSA I got sick & tired from filling in all the details for each type of link that it supports. Imagine when you have to build tiered links for 300 different clients per month (half is onetime packages) that way.

Get something like kontent machine and you can import all (almost) the fields using an export file.

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Originally Posted by Marc_L

Get something like kontent machine and you can import all (almost) the fields using an export file.

Oh yeah Kontent Machine has that indeed. Who knows, thanks for the mention.
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- MikeFriedman 11 years ago
  
  For strictly GSA, I like Content Foundry even better.
  
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  Marc_L 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  For strictly GSA, I like Content Foundry even better.
  
  I guess I need to get into that one more. Bought it a few months ago but haven't been using it.
  
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  dennis09 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  For strictly GSA, I like Content Foundry even better.
  
  I've been wondering about that one too.
  
  Hows your experience with it? Uniqueness vs Readability? And could you compare it to WAC?
  
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  Originally Posted by dennis09
  
  I've been wondering about that one too.
  
  Hows your experience with it? Uniqueness vs Readability? And could you compare it to WAC?
  
  I tried them all found them all just as crappy. Could just as well use TheBestSpinner and do some pre-manual spinning.
  
  Only ArticleBuilder is interesting but the problem with that one is that it only covers an x amount of niches. Impossible to get away with when building product review sites.
  
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  MikeFriedman 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dennis09
  
  I've been wondering about that one too.
  
  Hows your experience with it? Uniqueness vs Readability? And could you compare it to WAC?
  
  None of these tools are going to produce anything that is super readable. Not the kind of thing you are going to point at any sites you care about.
  
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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Thanks for all the details but I think I'll just stick with my web2.0 and high PR network, the last time that I tried GSA I got sick & tired from filling in all the details for each type of link that it supports. Imagine when you have to build tiered links for 300 different clients per month (half is onetime packages) that way.

If you're doing a lot of projects then you really shouldn't be setting these up anyway once you've got the hang of it. It's WAY too much of a time sync for me.

I have one of my VAs use Wicked Article Creator on a VPS. He places the codes onto an excel file in Google Docs.

Another VA then sets up the GSA campaign which is hosted on a separate VPS. All he has to do is duplicate a default campaign that I created and then he just replaces the URLs/Anchors and inputs the code for the project. All of the content is automatically filled from the WAC database. Project marked complete.

That that's about a 15-20 minute process between the two working at $1.37 per hour.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I went back and enabled all of the platforms again after first reading this and i'm getting 66% which is still a lot higher than 45%. To be fair i'll let it run for a full 24 hours and post a screenshot.

The percentages CB display don't have anything to do with the number of actual captchas solved correctly. They are only showing the percentage of CB giving an actual answer regardless if it was correct or not.

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wackiin

11 years ago

very true thats why i dont pay attention to the % myself i just let it run and look at verified at the end of the day

Originally Posted by Marc_L

The percentages CB display don't have anything to do with the number of actual captchas solved correctly. They are only showing the percentage of CB giving an actual answer regardless if it was correct or not.

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dennis09

11 years ago

Originally Posted by wackiin

I am not him but just click on the very bottom of Cb and it will ask to reset the numbers

Although I still don't see a need to reset those numbers, thanks for the heads up!

Originally Posted by Marc_L

The percentages CB display don't have anything to do with the number of actual captchas solved correctly. They are only showing the percentage of CB giving an actual answer regardless if it was correct or not.

Didn't know that, but I guess it makes godoveryou's little hissyfit even more pointless.

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wackiin

11 years ago

I am not him but just click on the very bottom of Cb and it will ask to reset the numbers

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wackiin

11 years ago

To the original poster I used MS for 9 months and got GSA a few months ago ,I like it that they offer the Web2.0 service now, I think its a really good program.
And there is all kinds of videos explaining things in the GSA forum and youtube

The guy they mentioned Ron has a post where he says to be getting 40k links posted per day. and others getting more then that it depends on alot of factors as it does with anything else.
I have just ranked 2 websites and 5 videos using just GSA though

depending on your ability, i bought GSA,CB,Indexer and the web2.0 service ,Im happy with them all.

Far as Cb I think its the better of the auto captcha programs out there, ive had them all at one time are another the way I do it is use all CB for most stuff .then on the larger campaigns i setup imagetypers to solve recaptcha