How the F*ck? I thought Content was "KING"

by TolyZ
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Keyword - 18k local search exact
Doesn't seem like it's a competitive keyword
Partial EMD domain
0 links showing in ahref
Created on May 10 (before the Penguin 2.0)
0 content

Ranking #4.
WTF?

search - watch archer online

url - watcharcheronlinenow.com
#content #fck #king #thought
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How the F*ck? I thought Content was "KING"
    Content is king, for traffic.

    Not much point ranking a blank page.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    LOL, a 'Becker Case Study.'

    Let's come back in a week and see if it's still there.
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    • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      LOL, a 'Becker Case Study.'

      Let's come back in a week and see if it's still there.
      His previous one was up for a Good 4-5 months
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

        His previous one was up for a Good 4-5 months
        You understand why 'Watch Archer Online' lacks competition and no one else bought the EMD, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author badlimey
    Content is King if you are trying to kiss Google's ass. A positive experience when a visitor lands is what makes money!

    The Google gravy train is coming off the rails, jump off before it hurts your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Looks like a bunch of morons in that niche pushing their luck with the Fox legal dept.

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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Looks like a bunch of morons in that niche pushing their luck with the Fox legal dept.





      Correct. That's the reason 'Becker' uses these as examples and puts no contact information (or even text) on the page. He's afraid of getting sued.

      That's also why there's no real competition...
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      • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Correct. That's the reason 'Becker' uses these as examples and puts no contact information (or even text) on the page. He's afraid of getting sued.

        That's also why there's no real competition...
        You not gonna get sued UNLESS someone can actually GO and WATCH IT on your website.
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

          You not gonna get sued UNLESS someone can actually GO and WATCH IT on your website.
          You should read up on the law a bit. Check out all the DMCA takedowns.

          In any event, since he can't monetize the page, this is just an exercise to show newbs how 'powerful' his SEO is.

          Becker is the Justin Bieber of SEO
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Content is king for people who want to read content.

            What does that have to do with google?

            They never said content was king. You think the WF
            ranks because of great content?

            You can give people what they want with any amount of content.

            The less content, the better, actually, on all fronts.

            Not sure why people think google is some human looking at
            websites. They're not. They are a huge auto-algo. The
            trick is learn how to trick it.

            However, a nonsense search like watch archer online is bound
            to give nonsense results.

            Why do people keep ranting on nonsense searches?

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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    What's he doing, some redirect or something?
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  • Profile picture of the author clean99
    Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

    Keyword - 18k local search exact
    Doesn't seem like it's a competitive keyword
    Partial EMD domain
    0 links showing in ahref
    Created on May 10 (before the Penguin 2.0)
    0 content

    Ranking #4.
    WTF?

    search - watch archer online

    url - watcharcheronlinenow.com
    Yeah it definitely looks like Becker, but he usually also adds a picture. Backlinks might not have been indexed yet. He usually does it by putting 3-4 links on PR4-5 websites in his network.
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    I think you all missed the point. Unless the competition is 0, this kind of site shouldn't be ranking on the 1st page ...
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    What the hell is Becker doing? What is the point of eanking these pages, just to shoe us how good he is? I never understood the point of putting a page up with a picture and a couple of words. No ads, no sales pitches, so what the f**k is his point?
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      What the hell is Becker doing? What is the point of eanking these pages, just to shoe us how good he is? I never understood the point of putting a page up with a picture and a couple of words. No ads, no sales pitches, so what the f**k is his point?
      He's just trying proving that a page can rank for a term with higher search volume as long as you have done your keyword research well. An empty page is saying that content has nothing to do with rankings, or at least that's what his point is.
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    Content is at best "Queen", and even that's being generous.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    The general rule seems to be that you can better have no content then crappy content that is full of grammar and spelling issue's.
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      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      The general rule seems to be that you can better have no content then crappy content that is full of grammar and spelling issue's.
      True considering Google obviously has a spell check (Did you mean [correct word/spelling]?.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hansons
    This may help you understand, it is showing 40 .gov/.edu links
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    • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
      Originally Posted by Hansons View Post


      This may help you understand, it is showing 40 .gov/.edu links
      Just checked it with ahrefs and majestic, doesn't show ANYTHING as far as backlinks.

      Why all of the sudden ppl start with the BS, "oh it's just to promote the services".
      Can ANYONE of you "badass SEOs" do something similar?
      Well I'm sure he gets all bunch of ppl throwing money asking to rank them in 4 days. IT'S NOT THE POINT.
      The point is simple:
      1 - The site is sh*t and shouldn't rank for ANY of the keywords, no matter how much competition the keyword has.
      2 - I know that Google don't care about your content, or that it can't understand good content vs garbage content, the WHOLE point was to show that the only reason you want GOOD content is to have good conversions.
      You see all bunch of threads on WF saying - "I have 30 unique high quality articles, WTF I'm not ranking?" ... OR "Create quality content and forget about SEO".


      And as far as monetizing, the keyword gets 18k exact local searches. He can just throw simple adsense or CPA offer (For example get free DVD player or TV or some BS) or Lock the content and get $5-10 / day.
      And no he won't get sued because there is 0 content and "archer" is not a trademark.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

        Just checked it with ahrefs and majestic, doesn't show ANYTHING as far as backlinks.

        Why all of the sudden ppl start with the BS, "oh it's just to promote the services".
        Can ANYONE of you "badass SEOs" do something similar?
        Well I'm sure he gets all bunch of ppl throwing money asking to rank them in 4 days. IT'S NOT THE POINT.
        The point is simple:
        1 - The site is sh*t and shouldn't rank for ANY of the keywords, no matter how much competition the keyword has.
        2 - I know that Google don't care about your content, or that it can't understand good content vs garbage content, the WHOLE point was to show that the only reason you want GOOD content is to have good conversions.
        You see all bunch of threads on WF saying - "I have 30 unique high quality articles, WTF I'm not ranking?" ... OR "Create quality content and forget about SEO".


        And as far as monetizing, the keyword gets 18k exact local searches. He can just throw simple adsense or CPA offer (For example get free DVD player or TV or some BS) or Lock the content and get $5-10 / day.
        And no he won't get sued because there is 0 content and "archer" is not a trademark.
        The whole point is to impress Newbs like you. Mission accomplished

        Instead of you sitting her kissing his butt you should rank your own page for Watch Archer Online and monetize it with Adsense like you said. At least that way you'd be making money for yourself and not for him.

        I think everyone here already knows that backlinks are the reasons most pages rank. And of course Content is not King. It never has been. Tell us something we don't know already.
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        • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          The whole point is to impress Newbs like you. Mission accomplished

          Instead of you sitting her kissing his butt you should rank your own page for Watch Archer Online and monetize it with Adsense like you said. At least that way you'd be making money for yourself and not for him.

          I think everyone here already knows that backlinks are the reasons most pages rank. And of course Content is not King. It never has been. Tell us something we don't know already.
          Who said I was a noob or impressed? I was more surprised because of all the recent bs algo updates that should of caught the site like this. Did I even mention in my OP who did the case study? I simply pointed out the site and it's rankings.
          Again, how am I promoting him or defending him? What difference would it make if it was my site?
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

            Who said I was a noob or impressed? I was more surprised because of all the recent bs algo updates that should of caught the site like this. Did I even mention in my OP who did the case study? I simply pointed out the site and it's rankings.
            Again, how am I promoting him or defending him? What difference would it make if it was my site?
            Fair enough.

            If your point was that the content on that website was horrible and it still ranked, you did it.

            I mean the on-page is pretty weak. Just another wordpress page and 'Hello World.'
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Beckers point is that you don't need content to rank Most people tell you that you need content and 500-1000 word articles are a must if you want to rank etc, when really the secret is good keyword research and powerful links. That was only one of Beckers "to prove a point" sites, he has quite a few and some of them I've seen in competitive money making niches.
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      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      some of them I've seen in competitive money making niches.

      If these are public examples he has shown then please feel free to share them because I have never seen even one competitive money making niches he has done this with unless we have DRASTICALLY different ideas of competitive.

      I mostly see him showing weak stuff just to wow the gullible masses but I admit I have not followed him recently.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post


        Becker is the Justin Bieber of SEO
        ROFl. "Cause I was like baby baby baby"

        and all the newbs swoon
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        Footprints...

        Looks like a bunch of junk.
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        • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Footprints...

          Looks like a bunch of junk.
          How is that relevant to rankings?
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            He has 2 back links pointed at the site, 1 PR4 and 1 PR5

            He also explained in this blog post that he placed the keyword everywhere:

            - H1
            - Meta tag
            - Meta description
            - Title
            - Image file name
            - Alt image tag
            - Domain name

            And he says that this is all because of his great keyword research (and obvious the high PR links helped a hand).
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            • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              He has 2 back links pointed at the site, 1 PR4 and 1 PR5

              He also explained in this blog post that he placed the keyword everywhere:

              - H1
              - Meta tag
              - Meta description
              - Title
              - Image file name
              - Alt image tag
              - Domain name

              And he says that this is all because of his great keyword research (and obvious the high PR links helped a hand).
              At least someone tries to makes sense ...
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

                At least someone tries to makes sense ...
                First I also thought what a wise guy, showing to rank an empty page but when you read his actual blog post about it it becomes clear that it's more to show how important solid kw research is.
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                • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  First I also thought what a wise guy, showing to rank an empty page but when you read his actual blog post about it it becomes clear that it's more to show how important solid kw research is.
                  Yes - this is OLD information.

                  I was giving away a report on exactly this in this forum about 5 years ago.

                  I find it hard to understand how people keep ignoring the basic information about how to do well and using lots of lame techniques that are pushed in the forums and never step back and use their brain.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
              Hey!

              Maybe someone can help me out. And the other people in this thread who have the same question? There's really two questions. This should be easy for you guys. I only have a basic understanding.

              Originally Posted by Russerg View Post

              Yeah it definitely looks like Becker, but he usually also adds a picture. Backlinks might not have been indexed yet. He usually does it by putting 3-4 links on PR4-5 websites in his network.
              First, if the backlinks aren't indexed yet, it answer the question about: "Why can't I find any backlinks to this page?"

              But then...

              Why would backlinks that aren't indexed help you in the SERPS? Wouldn't the SERP have to index the links for them to carry any weight?

              :confused:

              Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

              Just checked it with ahrefs and majestic, doesn't show ANYTHING as far as backlinks.
              Which leads me to my next question. Because I get the same result.

              No links.

              So are there no links, or are there links?

              More importantly...

              How do you know?

              Originally Posted by Hansons View Post

              This may help you understand, it is showing 40 .gov/.edu links
              See, here's what's confusing. You say it's showing 40 backlinks.

              Where is it showing them? What am I missing here?

              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              He has 2 back links pointed at the site, 1 PR4 and 1 PR5
              Now it's 2 backlinks. When I found zero. The other guy found 40. And a bunch of us also found 0.

              Which is it? 0? 40? 2?

              Can maybe someone who knows their stuff clear this up?

              Thanks!

              Marc
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

                First, if the backlinks aren't indexed yet, it answer the question about: "Why can't I find any backlinks to this page?"
                Back link checkers are NOT Google, so the fact that Ahrefs/Majestics/OSE doesn't show them means totally nothing.

                Besides that when you do a link: search for the domain name Google does not have to show them in the index, still they can be indexed.

                Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

                Which is it? 0? 40? 2?

                Can maybe someone who knows their stuff clear this up?

                Thanks!

                Marc
                I didn't find this link by using back link checkers or Google to check the ranking domain, instead I analysed another domain of him where he did a similar test. That led me to 2 high PR domains, and when I visited those high PR domains I saw he also linked back to this new case study website.

                And obvious these 2 domains that link to him are indexed in Google and the links show up on the homepage.

                Not sure about the one that said he has 40 .edu/.gov links.
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
                  Good points. You're right. They're not Google, so that makes sense. I didn't think much about that but it's definitely logical.

                  Quick follow up question.

                  You said:

                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Besides that when you do a link: search for the domain name Google does not have to show them in the index, still they can be indexed.
                  Is there a waiting period, and THEN they will show up in the index? Or is there a possibility of them NEVER showing up in the index, as well?

                  (Curious because the fact you revealed leaves me wondering.)

                  Thanks so far! That was a great answer to my question.

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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

                    Good points. You're right. They're not Google, so that makes sense. I didn't think much about that but it's definitely logical.

                    Quick follow up question.

                    You said:

                    Is there a waiting period, and THEN they will show up in the index? Or is there a possibility of them NEVER showing up in the index, as well?

                    (Curious because the fact you revealed leaves me wondering.)

                    Thanks so far! That was a great answer to my question.

                    Marc
                    Often they never show up with a normal Google search but they do show up in Google Webmasters tools.

                    Also when you type in for example http://siteabcd123.com, and Google returns like 100 results (let's ignore the pages of that actual domain for the example). When you start to browse those 100 results you will see that many of the listings don't even have siteabcd123.com mentioned at all, cause Google shows also domains that are very similar to that domain name, so the number of results means totally nothing.

                    If Google would show all the back links based on a url search then all the back link checking tools wouldn't be as incomplete as they are as they could easily just scrape Google to get all the results.

                    Makes sense right?
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              • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
                Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

                See, here's what's confusing. You say it's showing 40 backlinks.

                Where is it showing them? What am I missing here?



                Now it's 2 backlinks. When I found zero. The other guy found 40. And a bunch of us also found 0.

                Which is it? 0? 40? 2?

                Can maybe someone who knows their stuff clear this up?

                Thanks!

                Marc
                Hey Marc,

                This is simple. Different people are checking in different ways and from different locations.

                Depending on how fresh the links are, when they were indexed and what type of link, different tools will find them.

                For example - many people us Backlinkwatch - which reports no links.

                But you can go to google and type link: watch archer online | Just another WordPress site and you'll get 77 results.

                Some of those have now been removed from the index by Google, some are links from places like http://www.statsdomain.com and some are references from this forum thread (so the OP is actually helping promote that site by mentioning it).

                If you do other types of research you can find more links.

                Also when you check there may be more than when I check, or your location may get you a google server which has a newer (or older) set of bot data.

                There are a few reasons why different people find different things.


                The other question here about rankings or SERPs is a different issue - Google care about references - not just html links... think about that..
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                • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
                  Thanks Andy.

                  Valid points. Yes none of those tools are finding anything at the moment. So I was left confused. But looking up the actual URL of the domain name names sense.

                  It's odd then that typing "link:URL" into Google doesn't show a result. :confused:

                  But at least there's ways around it.

                  Quick follow up question.

                  You said:

                  Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

                  Some of those have now been removed from the index by Google, some are links from places like http://www.statsdomain.com and some are references from this forum thread (so the OP is actually helping promote that site by mentioning it).
                  I thought the relevance of the site you're linking from was important, but just how important is it, if a link from here (an internet marketing forum) would help his domain?

                  Or, more likely, are you just saying, "it helps" as a general statement, but it probably doesn't help that much. But it does pass some link juice, so it makes a slight difference?

                  Thanks!

                  Marc

                  PS. You also said:
                  Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

                  The other question here about rankings or SERPs is a different issue - Google care about references - not just html links... think about that..
                  I'm not really sure what you mean by references to be honest. Are you saying the fact that the url is in this thread, and this thread's content is indexed in Google, that just because there's no actual HTML link, Google still recognizes that as a "plus", and that helps the ranking a bit?

                  But again, back to my original follow up question. How helpful can a reference from an internet marketing site be to something as off topic as watch archer online?
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

            How is that relevant to rankings?
            It's relevant to the OP URL.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      Most people tell you that you need content and 500-1000 word articles are a must if you want to rank
      If most people are saying that, then no wonder there are a ton of fail thread here.

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    Competition is also very weak (backlinks and onsite SEO).
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Becker does a fantastic job showing your keywords that no one would really want to rank for, but that have high search volume.

    I would never spend anytime trying to rank for any TV-related keywords, but as I said, it's great for his viewers to see that he can do this.

    I use to shoot videos showing people LIVE how I could rank a video in literally 2minutes. Keywords were long tail and easy to rank, but everyone loved them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    nik0,

    Yeah, but what if you put the URL in quotes? Wouldn't that cut back on the related sites showing up? Sounds like an easy fix. But good point about the tools. Definitely right about it not being THAT easy or they'd be DOA.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

      nik0,

      Yeah, but what if you put the URL in quotes? Wouldn't that cut back on the related sites showing up? Sounds like an easy fix. But good point about the tools. Definitely right about it not being THAT easy or they'd be DOA.
      Test it for yourself, same issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    Either this is a glitch or Googles Penguin Update has not hit it yet. The update included going after exact match domains and this is a prime example of one.

    Keyword: watch archer online

    URL: www.watcharcheronlinenow.com
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      Either this is a glitch or Googles Penguin Update has not hit it yet. The update included going after exact match domains and this is a prime example of one.

      Keyword: watch archer online

      URL: www.watcharcheronlinenow.com
      Good point. Penguin hasn't run again since this site landed there. It should be interesting to see if a site like this can last even one month.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

        Good point. Penguin hasn't run again since this site landed there. It should be interesting to see if a site like this can last even one month.
        I have a similar domain that was accidentally without content, a 100% EMD so to say. Just an empty WP installation and also a handful of links.

        Exact kw in title, h1, meta, url obvious.

        It ranked at #1 for at least half a year, and still does but now it has content again.

        The 4 back links that it has are like this

        domainname.com
        domainname
        domain name
        www. domainname.com

        So there is at least some variation there.
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          I have a similar domain that was accidentally without content, a 100% EMD so to say. Just an empty WP installation and also a handful of links.

          Exact kw in title, h1, meta, url obvious.

          It ranked at #1 for at least half a year, and still does but now it has content again.

          The 4 back links that it has are like this

          domainname.com
          domainname
          domain name
          www. domainname.com

          So there is at least some variation there.
          Google still has a hardy appetite for BS it appears
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

            I think you all missed the point. Unless the competition is 0, this kind of site shouldn't be ranking on the 1st page ...
            Nope you missed the point. As long as the term appears less than ten times every serp ill have a firdt page of results.

            Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

            Google still has a hardy appetite for BS it appears
            Like Paul said the definition of a BS result is when the marketer is not ranking in the serp. the flip side he didn't mention is that when the marketer is ranking any page it becomes a quality page +

            What is he doing? Proving a point that he's the s***?
            and when you think about it the serps are so crappy he has no hesitation in outing the keywords to th public and in this case can't even be bothered trying to monetize it.
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            • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Nope you missed the point. As long as the term appears less than ten times every serp ill have a firdt page of results.
              Please elaborate on "the term appears less that ten times"
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

                Please elaborate on "the term appears less that ten times"

                in google's database
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      Either this is a glitch or Googles Penguin Update has not hit it yet. The update included going after exact match domains and this is a prime example of one.

      Keyword: watch archer online

      URL: www.watcharcheronlinenow.com
      That's not an EMD, that's a partial EMD.

      Maybe you should look up what "exact" means
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      Either this is a glitch or Googles Penguin Update has not hit it yet. The update included going after exact match domains and this is a prime example of one.

      Keyword: watch archer online

      URL: www.watcharcheronlinenow.com

      Hardly a glitch. There's no competition and the site has a few high PR backlinks. Easy to do.

      And Penguin did not go after EMD's. That was a separate update months ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Never really enjoyed becker nor his service. What is he doing? Proving a point that he's the s***? Which makes me think why there are a lot of people on the Forum that complain that x, y, z isn't working because x, y, z told them this works and what not.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    True, it might not be a perfect EMD but it's sure as hell pretty dam close.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

    Keyword - 18k local search exact
    Doesn't seem like it's a competitive keyword
    Partial EMD domain
    0 links showing in ahref
    Created on May 10 (before the Penguin 2.0)
    0 content

    Ranking #4.
    WTF?

    search - watch archer online

    url - watcharcheronlinenow.com
    Yeah "watch archer online", To me that's not even a keyword.
    It ranks? for what? Some mad obscure term that no one cares about. Commercial intent, I see none.

    I do see a good old boy


    Selling that good ole cure all to the masses.

    It's like the old trick with a potential client on the line and using slideshare to rank something related to their business while your talking.

    Fools Gold
    Bought by fools
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      It's like the old trick with a potential client on the line and using slideshare to rank something related to their business while your talking.

      Shucks I aint never tried that one
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    It's not snake oil. For every popular TV series / latest movie, the term "watch whatever online" or even more so, "watch whatever online free" is valid and voluminous. These terms do get massive searches. You only need to go to some of the sites touting these (sometimes) illegal warez to see how they fill the pages with tricky-to-dodge ads and cpa offers.

    While I agree that the sites are worthless long term and bordering on (if not totally) illegal, there is money to be made there.

    To be honest, considering the nefarious nature of this niche, I can't believe a supposed player in the SEO niche is championing these kinds of targets.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

      It's not snake oil. For every popular TV series / latest movie, the term "watch whatever online" or even more so, "watch whatever online free" is valid and voluminous. These terms do get massive searches. You only need to go to some of the sites touting these (sometimes) illegal warez to see how they fill the pages with tricky-to-dodge ads and cpa offers.

      While I agree that the sites are worthless long term and bordering on (if not totally) illegal, there is money to be made there.

      To be honest, considering the nefarious nature of this niche, I can't believe a supposed player in the SEO niche is championing these kinds of targets.
      F*ck illegal niches - plain and simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Agreed - put nice and simply - try telling that to the boneheads who sell cpa locker stuff to these morons day in day out. My point is that the search volume is there. It's not an invalid search term. When you get somebody like Becker touting this stuff, it's luring the next new generation of newbies into a downward spiral. I'm not that bothered. It's not snake oil salesmanship, though, while you have sellers and buyers that are on the same page.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I don't think anyone knows what the fu** ranks a page. Other than those nerds that work for Google. I hear bull crap from all sides, and never see proof. I don't think there is anything that will work universal. I think luck has a lot to do with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I don't think anyone knows what the fu** ranks a page. Other than those nerds that work for Google. I hear bull crap from all sides, and never see proof. I don't think there is anything that will work universal. I think luck has a lot to do with it.
      I do think that there is a step by step perfect ranking method. Problem is nobody knows what it is exactly.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I don't think anyone knows what the fu** ranks a page. Other than those nerds that work for Google. I hear bull crap from all sides, and never see proof. I don't think there is anything that will work universal. I think luck has a lot to do with it.
      Really ranking a page isn't complicated, it's mostly links + text. The thing is, it's not just any links or any text, still it's not complicated.

      Here's a tip to help rank a lot of same niche keywords.

      Say my niche has a main keyword (ex: auto insurance), now I'm not going to piss around & bother trying to rank for that main keyword because competition is mostly legit Fortune 500 business with unlimited money & authority.

      Here's the tip...

      I still target the main keyword regardless If I ever rank for that specific keyword or not. What this does is boost authority for longtail keywords.

      So... I build up a lot of niche authority for my main keyword (auto insurance) & branch off that authority with my longtail keywords, example:
      • auto insurance (category page)
        • auto insurance rates (supporting page)
        • best auto insurance rates (supporting page)
        • cheap auto insurance texas (supporting page)
        • etc...

      Even though those longtails will still have competition, I've built authority for the main keyword (auto insurance) which gives me an advantage over the other longtail guys that figure the main keyword (auto insurance) is way too much competition to even consider targeting. Again, it doesn't matter If I ever rank for the main keyword, I could care less If it ever ranks. What I care about is the authority I create to boost my other same niche keywords, the real keywords I'm targeting.

      Once you've hammered that main keyword (ex: auto insurance) then all your basically trying to do on the new longtail keywords is target the new keywords (ex: rates, best, cheap, texas, etc...) combined with the existing authority pages (relevant internal links) you've already created for the main keyword. By the time you start working on targeting same niche longtail keywords you'll already have a solid base to piggyback off of from the main keyword pages.

      Create a solid base (ex: auto insurance) & the rest of the relevant keywords get easier to rank.
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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        Good stuff. Sometimes we forget the basics.

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Really ranking a page isn't complicated, it's mostly links + text. The thing is, it's not just any links or any text, still it's not complicated.

        Here's a tip to help rank a lot of same niche keywords.

        Say my niche has a main keyword (ex: auto insurance), now I'm not going to piss around & bother trying to rank for that main keyword because competition is mostly legit Fortune 500 business with unlimited money & authority.

        Here's the tip...

        I still target the main keyword regardless If I ever rank for that specific keyword or not. What this does is boost authority for longtail keywords.

        So... I build up a lot of niche authority for my main keyword (auto insurance) & branch off that authority with my longtail keywords, example:
        • auto insurance (category page)
          • auto insurance rates (supporting page)
          • best auto insurance rates (supporting page)
          • cheap auto insurance texas (supporting page)
          • etc...

        Even though those longtails will still have competition, I've built authority for the main keyword (auto insurance) which gives me an advantage over the other longtail guys that figure the main keyword (auto insurance) is way too much competition to even consider targeting. Again, it doesn't matter If I ever rank for the main keyword, I could care less If it ever ranks. What I care about is the authority I create to boost my other same niche keywords, the real keywords I'm targeting.

        Once you've hammered that main keyword (ex: auto insurance) then all your basically trying to do on the new longtail keywords is target the new keywords (ex: rates, best, cheap, texas, etc...) combined with the existing authority pages (relevant internal links) you've already created for the main keyword. By the time you start working on targeting same niche longtail keywords you'll already have a solid base to piggyback off of from the main keyword pages.

        Create a solid base (ex: auto insurance) & the rest of the relevant keywords get easier to rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I think luck has a lot to do with it.
      For realz?

      You think that Google -- one of the biggest companies on Earth -- randomly ranks pages? They award the top spot to the luckiest page that day?

      Maybe you were joking (at least I hope so...)
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

        For realz?

        You think that Google -- one of the biggest companies on Earth -- randomly ranks pages? They award the top spot to the luckiest page that day?

        Maybe you were joking (at least I hope so...)
        I think he was saying that nobody knows the perfect formula and when somebody gets it perfect its luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I think people who are interested in 'Becker' and 'Source-Wave' should peruse this review thread for some interesting comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrkitty
    So how many of you whiners here took advantage of these wide open keywords and are making bank from them like I'm doing? Or are you still hoping to get paid for b*tching? It's been 2 months since the thread was started, which is more than enough time to start making some cash.

    And no, you don't have to share illegal content, or even use trademarked domains. You can kill it with these keywords totally on the up and up. There's plenty of content on Youtube, and Adsense money is like taking candy from a baby on these sites. And there's plenty of other things you could promote. It's not the best converting traffic, but with a 1,000 or more visitors a day, it's fairly easy to make a sale or two a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by mrkitty View Post

      So how many of you whiners here took advantage of these wide open keywords and are making bank from them like I'm doing? Or are you still hoping to get paid for b*tching? It's been 2 months since the thread was started, which is more than enough time to start making some cash.

      And no, you don't have to share illegal content, or even use trademarked domains. You can kill it with these keywords totally on the up and up. There's plenty of content on Youtube, and Adsense money is like taking candy from a baby on these sites. And there's plenty of other things you could promote. It's not the best converting traffic, but with a 1,000 or more visitors a day, it's fairly easy to make a sale or two a day.
      Big money in them there keywords huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author andishm
    I have seen Alex Becker from sourcewave.com ranking websites without any content just from few high PR backlinks thats it.. period...

    He says rank first and then put good content for facing pandaz...
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