Pay-For-Performance SEO - I want it SO BAD.

I think you are scammed by many and that's why you are looking for PFP services. But the fact is it's hard to offer. Because SEO is a long term game and no one wants to keep himself unpaid for long. Just ask yourself, would you be willing to work for months without getting a dime? I am sure you won't !

So how to overcome this scam? Well, My best suggestion is you learn the game first, it's a trial and error method. establish a control over SEOs , ask for reports, monitor SERP and traffic etc. You also gotta be realistic with your expectations. Hope that helps.

Pay For Performance depends for a large part on the quality of your site and your existing back link profile.

In case you already tried many or you've been busy with automated software yourself I would never give any guarantee whatsoever.

As long as it's a new site with no back links or a natural back link profile then it would not be an issue but keep in mind you would pay more then for regular SEO, simply cause of the guarantee factor I would have to cover myself as there is no kw tool that is reliable enough to make very accurate predictions in what it takes.

Besides there is a huge difference between guaranteed top 3, top 5 or top 10 position.

Many of my SEO efforts take a year or so to mature, but they do mature, and bear fruit.

My suggestion to you is to study SEO yourself and become an expert, that way you can check the work others do for you, and make sure it is done correctly.

You will be hard pressed to find any decent SEO company that would work for free upfront.

I don't think any SEO company or individual will actually offer you a real money-back guarantee that you can take advantage of if you don't rank, because they don't actually have full control of the results. Not to mention... ranking high can take a lot of time if you are in a competitive niche, which would create a lot of uncertainty for their business if they had to have an extended money-back guarantee that lasts for months or even years.

Even big shots on the forums like Matt LaClear who claims to have a money-back guarantee... actually doesn't. I asked him once "do I get my money back if I don't rank on page 1 in 6 months?" (for his "guaranteed" page 1 SEO service) and his reply was basically "you have to wait longer for your rankings".

First, it's impossible to guarantee a ranked page, they can guarantee to keep working at best.

Second, the SEO has no idea If the client has 10 other SEOs all going in different directions at the same time.

Trust me: you don't even want a guaranteed service, even if you could find one.

I know if I had clients that paid me once they hit the first page I'd be spamming the hell out of their sites.

What you should want is a trusted SEO provider who will do what's best for your site over the short and long-term. But no one that fits that description is going to talk guarantees.

Although some good warriors are responding in this thread, let me add
a wrinkle. Every SEO worth their salt should do some research FIRST
before even taking a client on. Second, they have got to know what
they are doing, not just link building. They should know html, php, other
stuff, or at least know where to steal the code. They should know a lot
about servers and IPs. They should have secret tricks up their sleeves.

Now once some research is done, the SEO "expert" should at least come
up with something measurable. That is, you have got to come up with
some sort of bottom line. In other words, any lame-@$$ SEO person should
at least be able to come up with some minimum results.

Is that guaranteeing #1? Of course not. And let me say very loudly that each
client and situation is different. BUT...no reason for there NOT to be some guarantee
of movement or traffic.

There are no guarantees for riches, but if you can't tell someone on page 100 that you
can get them up to at least page 50, then what the heck are you doing taking on
a client? Okay. Maybe that is a guarantee.

I hate the fact that SEO gurus with paying clients come here and ask who,
what, where, when, why, or how. Those people are lame-@$$.

If you cannot foresee a site moving up and improving, and cannot give some
type of (okay, "guaranteed") improvement, then don't take this client on.

And that would only come from a real SEO expert. One who really knows the biz
up, down, forwards, backwards.

Bottom line, it's ridiculous that so-called SEO people take on clients without
knowing anything about what it would actually take for them to actually do
any SEO worth even a penny.

Too many people have dragged this industry down to hell.

When some lame IM person comes up with some WP crap best-wii-games-for-left-handers.com
and wants to rank #1 for nintendo, tell them politely, "Sorry. Aint gonna happen."
A real SEO person would tell a client the sad truth. Now if lamo wants to pay anyway,
well, I suppose that's why so many fail threads from SEO gurus on why they can't
get a client to rank. Dumb and Dumberer. Blind leading the blind. And that just
drags everyone down.

Paul

Amen Paul.

I feel that there are many peopel out there who want to get a monthly fee of X a month.

I totally understand there are many honest people out there that use this model..

But that is like hiring someone to do manual labor for you by the hour.. There will be a certain percentage of people that will just just milk it out and do the least amount of work for the longest period of time. I am not out to knock anyone or say most do this, but some do, for certain.


I guess Performance Based SEO is the opposite end of the spectrum.

Like Paul said, there should be SOME sort of guarantee or something measurable.

We have declined over 30 potential clients in the last months. Crappy affiliate sites , 3 pages sites, sites with an over optimized backlink profile ,penalized sites, sites spammed with senuke & co crap. For us some sites are doing better than others but as today we still have to refund someone (offering a real money back guarantee here).
The thing is if you aren't completly retarded and if you put some brain in the whole web site analyze you MUST be able to predict REAL results. 3-4 months are more than enough to rank any low-med competition keyword on a decent site.

So yeah most of the time you'll deal with a fiverr re-seller as it's best , too much ''providers'' shitting completly on our industry , but on the other side there's a load of ignorant people with a complete lack of common sense, you wouldn't believe how many non sense quotes request I get every single day.

People need to educate themself before throwing their money to random idiots but they also need to educate themself before dealing with someone who's able to provide solid results.

Money doesn't grow on trees and time is money , so if you are cheap and stupid you probably deserve to get what you pay for.

Reputable SEO companies will decline sites they cannot rank.

Also, the best type of company is one that will give you expectations going forward, this will you know what you are paying for. Just keep in mind expectations are just that...

Finding a company that offers a guarantee is key.

Randy what are the legitimate ones you mention?

Rather than pay per performance, why don't you just buy existing sites that are ranking (contact the webmasters, offer them a good deal and you will probably get a few positive answers)... It's exactly what you want to achieve, right?

-Gabriel

The problem with most companies allowing payment AFTER ranking is getting that payment sometimes. The happy medium is a company only paying a certain amount until they rank, and nothing more.

I know in seo department is a problem of trust. I had the same problem when I decided I want a really good seo tool. I tried many of them, but just one is my favourite. It's about squirrly seo. It's $20/month (sometimes, they have some promotions), but the team is there for you. That I like it the most, to know that if there is any kind of problem, someone is there to help me.

There will never be a pay for performance SEO company for two reasons.

Firstly, good SEO is lengthy process that takes months before results are seen. Sure a few link "blasts" can boost your rankings very high very quickly, but that is bad SEO which will fall apart eventually.

But the main reason is that, the same with most online businesses, it would be so easy to not pay them afterwards.