Some thoughts about Google & Links

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I was thinking about Google and links earlier today and I came out with some thoughts that might be true ... or total utopia. Anyhow, I want to know your opinion about those.

If I were Google, the following things would definitely rise a "red" flag for me:

1) Your site has hundreds of links, but no social signals - For REAL and useful sites it's much likely impossible. However, if you doing some heavy blackhat or using private network then it's quite possible scenario. This is probably somewhat WTF to Google.

2) Traffic vs links. Again, you have lot of high "PR" and valuable links, but you are not getting traffic directly from them. Isn't that weird?Real links usually provide some (at least few hits a year) traffic as well. If I were Google, I would mark those links as low quality.

3) http vs WWW. If you have a real site then people link out do you naturally, right? Let's say you have a site called http: // widgets.com. Now, if people link to you naturally then there are still some people (probably 5-10%) who add www. to the beginning of your link. It's not logical when you have 1k links and they are all starting with http : //

4) Not linking out. Let's say you have a "tech" magazine. You are posting quite frequently about the newest gadgets, releases and so on.. BUT you never link out. You have none links pointing OUT. Isn't that weird? You write a 2000+ word post and you don't link out to any facts, resources, proofs bla bla? I doubt that people take you seriously enough, I think google won't take you seriously either.

What's your thoughts about this one?
#google #links #thoughts
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    1) Social doesn't mean anything, I rank pages & could care less about anything social besides old school same niche forums. Those same niche forums are for direct traffic, they still have links pointing to my sites.

    2) Google is pretty smart about traffic, IMO, even having something as simple as a G+ button (javascript) on your web page is a way for Google to track analytics, without actually installing something like Google Analytics. Obviously Google tracks everything on a web page that includes an embedded Youtube video.

    3) I'm not sure http vs WWW. is a big deal. What If you have a page go viral, most forums scrape the page title as anchor-text. That could lead to thousands of same exact anchor-text links.

    4) I have very few external links, when I do it's usually a followed link pointing to a relevant site.
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    • Profile picture of the author chris_87
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      1) Social doesn't mean anything, I rank pages & could care less about anything social besides old school same niche forums. Those same niche forums are for direct traffic, they still have links pointing to my sites.
      Yukon, do you think Google will eventually head down a path where social carries more weight in their ranking algorithm?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by bluehabit View Post

        Yukon, do you think Google will eventually head down a path where social carries more weight in their ranking algorithm?
        I'm not sure what Google will do in the future, right now (today) I can rank pages without any social profiles.
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    • Profile picture of the author online only
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post


      3) I'm not sure http vs WWW. is a big deal. What If you have a page go viral, most forums scrape the page title as anchor-text. That could lead to thousands of same exact anchor-text links.

      4) I have very few external links, when I do it's usually a followed link pointing to a relevant site.
      3) What I meant is that that the link (not anchor text) is always starting with http:// When I checked top sites for different keywords I noticed that they all have small percentage of links starting with www as well, although their original URL is without www.

      4) Few external links to relevant sites are more than good IMO. I was thinking more about the affiliate doorway sites where there is only & only affiliate links. And maybe a footer link to wordpress :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by online only View Post

        3) What I meant is that that the link (not anchor text) is always starting with http:// When I checked top sites for different keywords I noticed that they all have small percentage of links starting with www as well, although their original URL is without www.

        4) Few external links to relevant sites are more than good IMO. I was thinking more about the affiliate doorway sites where there is only & only affiliate links. And maybe a footer link to wordpress :rolleyes:
        4) I'm sure Google can easily flush out spammy Amazon affiliate sites. It's not complicated to count outbound links & sort the affiliate links on the same page (basic math).
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Yeah I've got plenty of pages ranking in some markets, where social sharing would not be a real prospect.
    Like Weight loss pills.
    Fat Jenny who weight's just North of 600lbs, is not going to tweet that she just dropped a $400 order for a years supply of fat-tabs.

    http:// www. Yeah, definitely worth thinking about.

    PR page sculpting, and not wanting to leak OBL. Is almost beat into Web Designers heads from birth. I'm not sure it will be outlawed or flagged anytime soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I disagree about the social signals. Get out of the IM mindset. Venture into the real online world and you will see that MOST sites do not get any kind of social signals.

    Most people are not going to add a link on Facebook about how they were able to completely bone their former spouse in their divorce thanks to their great new attorney.

    People are not talking on Facebook or Twitter about their family doctor.

    I could go on and on with examples.

    So no, I don't think Google is raising a red flag for sites not generating social signals.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      ROTFLMAO!

      Here's a side note.

      The feds just stopped buying FB likes....after determining it
      was pointless. That's $600K of taxpayer money down the hole,
      once again. They got 2 million+ likes, only to have a dismal
      percent of anyone actually interacting socially. Or caring.
      Or anything real.

      What I do with FB is join groups, targeted, drop links every
      few days. Now that REALLY pumps up the targeted traffic,
      even a tad better than twitter at this point. But those links
      are not even seen by google. The system can be gained
      too much at this time, especially out of control sites like FB.

      Paul
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      If you were disappointed in your results today, lower your standards tomorrow.

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      • Profile picture of the author danparks
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        ROTFLMAO!

        Here's a side note.

        The feds just stopped buying FB likes....after determining it
        was pointless. That's $600K of taxpayer money down the hole,
        once again. They got 2 million+ likes, only to have a dismal
        percent of anyone actually interacting socially. Or caring.
        Or anything real.
        Paul
        Just yesterday I saw that story you're referring to. Yup, the gov really did spend big money (your money) on FB likes. And yes, apparently it had little positive effect.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          ROTFLMAO!

          Here's a side note.

          The feds just stopped buying FB likes....after determining it
          was pointless. That's $600K of taxpayer money down the hole,
          once again. They got 2 million+ likes, only to have a dismal
          percent of anyone actually interacting socially. Or caring.
          Or anything real.

          What I do with FB is join groups, targeted, drop links every
          few days. Now that REALLY pumps up the targeted traffic,
          even a tad better than twitter at this point. But those links
          are not even seen by google. The system can be gained
          too much at this time, especially out of control sites like FB.

          Paul
          Originally Posted by danparks View Post

          Just yesterday I saw that story you're referring to. Yup, the gov really did spend big money (your money) on FB likes. And yes, apparently it had little positive effect.
          I read that State Dept. FB Like story, what a bunch of BS, who the heck gives a rats azz about a Gov. agency, especially on FB. Total waste of tax money.

          That's equivalent to Liking the IRS. :rolleyes:

          I bet the State Dept. hired a PR firm that milked them for every penny they could get. Where the hell is Matthew Lesko & his free Gov money book?





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