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Need separate hosting accounts? (footprint)

by livemusic
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It's all so confusing! I have a few dozen sites and I have linked here and there to one another, with emphasis on most often linking to a handful of my main money sites. I think I have about a half dozen hosting companies but also on Ipower and hostgator and godaddy, I have more than one domain hosted on each account. Whatever I've done, it has worked pretty well. Good SERP overall for this narrow niche.

Yet, I keep hearing about this "don't establish a footprint" talk. Get private registration for domains, use separate hosting accounts. Is this necessary? I'd rather just have one big Hostgator account or whatever. What do you think?

I have some more parked domains that I wish to develop, trying to figure out how to host them.
#accounts #footprint #hosting #separate
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    IF you are just linking from some of your sites to others here and there then I think you are fine with what you have got. If you are buying domains (therefore making an investment) and building a network to rank other sites then yes separate hosting accounts is needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
    I would go separate hosting all the way. You can find plenty of hosts for $1.00 per month and at that price, why risk it? Keep your blog network nice, tidy, and undetectable.... A different host for each site allows me to sleep good at night knowing i have no footprint that can be found...
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    • Profile picture of the author livemusic
      Originally Posted by Negotiator74 View Post

      I would go separate hosting all the way. You can find plenty of hosts for $1.00 per month and at that price, why risk it? Keep your blog network nice, tidy, and undetectable.... A different host for each site allows me to sleep good at night knowing i have no footprint that can be found...
      I like your answer, but where is $1/mo hosting?
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

        I like your answer, but where is $1/mo hosting?
        I think like Mike said, things would be OK where you are now. If you end up pushing more network sites with your High PR links you'll need to start expanding. I don't know where you can get 1$ hosting and I'd be a little suspicious of such. It seems the cheaper you go with hosting the more downtime and other problems you'll expect.
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        • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
          Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

          I think like Mike said, things would be OK where you are now. If you end up pushing more network sites with your High PR links you'll need to start expanding. I don't know where you can get 1$ hosting and I'd be a little suspicious of such. It seems the cheaper you go with hosting the more downtime and other problems you'll expect.
          Your point about reliability is a good one, however, from my experience with over 40 hosts, I just haven't seen it myself. I'm paying on average just around a buck for each site in my PBN and the reliability has been just great.
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          • Profile picture of the author livemusic
            Is a PBN a Private Blog Network?

            Do you know of an explanation site of how to do that?

            With your setup, do you have one hosting account and a bunch of addon domains or a bunch of cheap hosting accounts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
        Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

        I like your answer, but where is $1/mo hosting?
        Hi livemusic,

        Go here and you'll find the $1.00 per month places after 5 minutes of looking:
        Shared Hosting Offers - Web Hosting Talk
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  • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
    Yes PBN, personal blog network...

    If you do a search here and on Google you will find plenty of resources of how to do it. They are all pretty much the same. Yes, I have cheap hosting ($1.00 or so a month) for every site I own.
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    • Profile picture of the author livemusic
      Originally Posted by Negotiator74 View Post

      ...Yes, I have cheap hosting ($1.00 or so a month) for every site I own.
      That wasn't the question.

      Addons on 1 acct or what?
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      • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
        Originally Posted by livemusic View Post

        That wasn't the question.

        Addons on 1 acct or what?
        One hosting account for 1 site....no more sites on the same IP.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    SEO has nothing to do with IP addresses and/or hosts.
    You're wasting your money.
    Beyond that, you using some of the worst hosts there are (EIG brands, Godaddy).
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    • Profile picture of the author livemusic
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      SEO has nothing to do with IP addresses and/or hosts.
      You're wasting your money.
      Beyond that, you using some of the worst hosts there are (EIG brands, Godaddy).
      Are you saying that Google would not care if I had 100 addon domains on one hosting account and built a network, linking here and there to a money site and it would be okay? It's a very narrow niche. Others say that a footprint most certainly does matter, that it's a negative. I would dang sure rather have one hosting account, that sure would make it easier.

      And please don't say don't build a network but I have had good results and this had lasted for over 5 years.

      I'd sure like to know what the real answer is about IPs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Negotiator74
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      SEO has nothing to do with IP addresses and/or hosts.
      You're wasting your money.
      Beyond that, you using some of the worst hosts there are (EIG brands, Godaddy).
      "SEO has nothing to do with IP addresses...." Couldn't disagree with you more but to each their own. I know what works for me. Don't you think it would look strange to have multiple sites, on the same IP, all pointed to a money site? Does to me but again, everyone does things different I suppose.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      SEO has nothing to do with IP addresses and/or hosts.
      You're wasting your money.
      Beyond that, you using some of the worst hosts there are (EIG brands, Godaddy).

      This poster can safely be ignored. He's stuck in a rut arguing the same thing in every post on this subject. There is no discussion here of IP addresses and only a neophyte to building networks would have an entire PBN on one host

      Originally Posted by livemusic View Post


      I'd sure like to know what the real answer is about IPs.

      You already got it...only its not just about IPs its about actually being on different servers. For what you have now you should be fine. If you wish to build out a true SEO network then you will need to get over what you want and get additional hosts.
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      • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        This poster can safely be ignored.
        If you want to ignore the science of how IP addresses work, that's your choice.

        Search engines have to ignore IP addresses because of how shared hosting works. Thousands of sites can be on the same server, many in the same niche (natural blog networks), and it'd be wrong to punish them.

        Inversely, it won't reward sites that have different IPs. The only time IPs come into play is when a neighborhood is deemed blighted in some way, and it's usually not individual IPs, but a whole range.

        What's funny is that many "SEO hosts" have devalued ranges, as search engines aren't stupid. The host can't hide who they are, as the ASN or SWIP reveals them. No way around that!

        It's your money. You can spend it wisely or not. I really don't care.

        In the attempts to fool search engines (and fail at it, since it's nonsense), all you're doing is making it harder on yourself by running more accounts, manage more backups, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          If you want to ignore the science of how IP addresses work, that's your choice.

          Search engines have to ignore IP addresses because of how shared hosting works. Thousands of sites can be on the same server, many in the same niche (natural blog networks), and it'd be wrong to punish them.
          No I ignore you because you don't know what you are a talking about and you confuse every hosting issue in regard to SEO networks with the same old Class C IP address debate. Google does NOT ignore an entire network on one box. It looks suspicious and is not natural plus history tells us that they penalize some SEO hosts on the same server because they HAVE deindexed sites based on that

          Inversely, it won't reward sites that have different IPs
          Strawman argument you bring up in EVERY debate on this despite being told multiple times NO ONE states to have different IPS in a network for a boosting factor. Being on different boxes and in different geo locations is for protection of the network

          What's funny is that many "SEO hosts" have devalued ranges, as search engines aren't stupid. The host can't hide who they are, as the ASN or SWIP reveals them. No way around that!
          Which is why if you could read worth a lick you would see the recommendation and the TITLE OF THE OP is for separate hosting accounts . This is NOT about SEO hosting but you come running into every discussion like this with a one track mind

          In the attempts to fool search engines (and fail at it, since it's nonsense)
          See? this is why you are to be ignored because anyone saying that a private SEO network doesn't work to rank sites is totally clueless.
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          • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            the recommendation and the TITLE OF THE OP is for separate hosting accounts .
            Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
            Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
            Homer: Thank you, dear.
            Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
            Homer: Oh, how does it work?
            Lisa: It doesn't work.
            Homer: Uh-huh.
            Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
            Homer: Uh-huh.
            Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around ... do you?
            [Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
            Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

            Separate hosting = Lisa's rock
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Homer = Kpmedia

              Clueless regardless of being instructed over and over again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Negotiator74 View Post

    Your point about reliability is a good one, however, from my experience with over 40 hosts, I just haven't seen it myself. I'm paying on average just around a buck for each site in my PBN and the reliability has been just great.
    $1 hosts don't stay around for long. They may be reliable while they are in business but a higher percentage of them will require you to move your data when they close up shop.
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Very true!

    Consider the $1 per account, how many accounts to add up for the server, vps, or reseller plan? How about the time of support to those lossy $1 accounts that are added up like ants to fulfil the master plan?

    But, it's the most affordable way to start. Just make sure the self-backups are processing oftenly. If more budget add up, that would be nice to move to the reliable hosts.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    kpmedia,

    The whole reasoning behind separate hosts and separate IP addresses is to better camouflage a network of sites that was built for the sole purpose of building links off of them. If you had 100 domains that are all on the same hosting account, same IP address, and all link to the same 2 or 3 sites, that is an easy footprint for Google to identify and deindex the whole lot of them.

    If you build the sites out properly and host them on different IP addresses around the world, it is much harder for Google to identify the sites as an "SEO network".

    The argument has nothing to do with some perceived ranking power of different IP addresses.
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      kpmedia,

      The whole reasoning behind separate hosts and separate IP addresses is to better camouflage a network of sites that was built for the sole purpose of building links off of them. If you had 100 domains that are all on the same hosting account, same IP address, and all link to the same 2 or 3 sites, that is an easy footprint for Google to identify and deindex the whole lot of them.

      If you build the sites out properly and host them on different IP addresses around the world, it is much harder for Google to identify the sites as an "SEO network".

      The argument has nothing to do with some perceived ranking power of different IP addresses.
      I get that's what people are trying. But it doesn't work. Google has multiple ways of identifying sites -- ASN, whois, syntax (darn-near AI algorithms), Javascripts, etc -- not just IP. So it's a waste of time. Just build a good and valuable site, and you'll be fine.

      The argument is really nothing more than asking for "SEO hosting" without using the term SEO. With or without it, same difference.

      Like I said, your money. Have at it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post


        The argument is really nothing more than asking for "SEO hosting" without using the term SEO. With or without it, same difference.
        Well at least you are consistent. You are clueless on the issue and mean to stay that way. SEO Hosting is when different IPs are assigned to the same box or service. Separate hosting accounts is having a network or multiple, locations, datacenters and hosts

        umm making them just like all the other sites on the net.

        the rest of your post is equally off. Javascript does not give a network away and the syntax from site to site is entirely different. You truly have no idea what is being discussed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
    I have a host account that allows me to select which of thier servers I can use for each of my web sites, like so:

    ns1.myhost.com
    blah123.myhost.com 36.42.123.456 PBN1.com
    blah456.myhost.com 36.42.567.343 PBN2.com
    blah789.myhost.com 62.67.356.753 PBN3.com

    ns1.myservers.com
    abcd.myservers.com moneysite.com

    Is this an obvious footprint for a bot or a manual check?
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