Career Advice Needed: How many buttons do I need to learn to click to become a SEO professional???

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In the last 24 hours I have had various people tell me or imply through various mediums (forums AND by PM) that true SEO professionals rely on certain link building tools (senuke and GSA in particular). I took a look at the calendar and it says its 2013 on my calendar. So I don't seem to be in a time warp.

So anyways.......Mike can always do with learning new things and he really does want to be a SEO professional. So can anyone share what I need to learn about these tools in order to be a SEO professional? I own GSA, Have tried Senuke and also have Magic submitter. I know the tools but don't use them much (a little tiered linking) because I think they all now suck except limited use in tier building.

Can anybody tell me the professional SEO way of using these tools besides tiered link building? I KNOW tiered link building but I am still missing being a true SEO professional because I keep hearing there is some secret only SEO professionals know.

Help me out. Anyone?

BTW for those who know me and think I am joking. I am a little serious. If you know something beyond standard tier link building with these tools let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author 36burrows
    Mike must be bored or fishing for something....can't tell.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by 36burrows View Post

      Mike must be bored or fishing for something....can't tell.

      LOL or keeping you guessing. Actually I am half serious (0kay 25%). I keep hearing that there are pro ways to use these tools and we hear it all the time in this forum. I think they are talking about tiered link building but doesn't everyone know that" so I thought

      "you know what - who knows there might be something I don't know"
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    The professional SEO follows the strict 4.2123% keyword density rule and uses meta keywords like its the holy grail.... duh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

      The professional SEO follows the strict 4.2123% keyword density rule and uses meta keywords like its the holy grail.... duh.
      So 4.21231% is the penalty zone? Ok I got you. Meta keywords sure, beats even page titles and H1 tags.

      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      You obviously missed the best part of software training school....The world of being an SEO Professional, is now your Oyster.
      Yeah but thats integrated so Its kind of included. That and everyone ripping up article builder.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Blog comments all day brah. I got to rank 1 in minutes. .
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Blog comments all day brah. I got to rank 1 in minutes. .
      Actually I never hear people talking much about Scrapebox as much nowadays. Its almost always GSA, Senuke, UD and licorne
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Actually I never hear people talking much about Scrapebox as much nowadays. Its almost always GSA, Senuke, UD and licorne
        The only guy that talks about it is JSProjects I believe haha.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Actually I never hear people talking much about Scrapebox as much nowadays. Its almost always GSA, Senuke, UD and licorne
        I could say I use GSscraper and Scrapebox a lot. I have both on a server almost always running something. I do really evil things with them. Making a lot of money doing it too.

        I have no use for auto submitter's, Unless it was one I custom created myself, for a very specific time saving task.

        Anything publicly available software was intended to do, out of the box. Has been totally burned out of effectiveness by now.

        Not that it ever was effective to begin with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    You obviously missed the best part of software training school.


    The world of being an SEO Professional, is now your Oyster.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    It's not that they have been burned out of effectiveness, or that they were never effective.. it's the way the common mass are using it that is uneffective. Blasting crap used to be effective.. it isn't anymore, so now you need to use the tools only to enhance what you would normally do manually. Thats it and that's all.

    That being said, back to Mike's question, how might a professional use the tools? Well? How would you post something manually? Would you push 'autospin' and run 'blast-o-matic' template? I wouldn't. Not these days anyways. What I would do is:

    a. Purchase a good deal of quality articles, and/or spin - as in spin the crap out of, paragraph/sentence/phrase/word quality type spin

    b. Use the #link# tags the software uses, whatever those are, strategically, within the context of the article (most lazy people let the software default to wherever it puts the links.. at the bottom.. spam, boo)

    c. Add image and video html into the article. If not for just plain making a nice page for your tier, this makes sure if nothing else that your page wont get deleted by mods of the site, and also for possible quality signals.

    d. Run your submissions nice.... and.... slow..... the automation part should be to make things easier, not necessarily faster

    e. If it were me I would go back into the sites and post a profile and pic of some sort for legitimacy

    Getting not too far off the subject, but this whole argument about pages being pr n/a, pr 0 so they are worthless is getting really tiresome. All new pages are pr n/a, pr 0. Period. Wherever you put them. Private blog networks, web20's, your money site, whatever. So all new pages you post are worthless?

    How do you 'boost' them? The same way you 'boost' any other page. Thats a different subject. Yes, some marketers sort of mislead by making it sound like, "Post on 100's of HIGH PR SITES", like YOU will get a high pr page.. well, no. But them being high pr sites is an instant authority/trust factor that definitely helps to get your new pages found and possibly even indexed on their own.

    As for there being other links on the pages pointing outward, away from your target, thus leaking juice. Well, yes indeed, very good point to consider. But in the longrun, with the easyness of how it was to post the page to begin with.. who cares really? Besides, it's been shown that the search engines like to see links pointing outwards, here there and everywhere. It takes the focus away from being obvious, kind of automatically flying you under the radar, so to speak. Also it helps keep those sites authoritive and contributes to the authoritiveness of the page, as it will be integrated into the awesomely integrated link structure that the site has. You may be linking out to other pages, but links on other pages will also be linking to yours as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

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      Getting not too far off the subject, but this whole argument about pages being pr n/a, pr 0 so they are worthless is getting really tiresome. All new pages are pr n/a, pr 0. Period. Wherever you put them. Private blog networks, web20's, your money site, whatever. So all new pages you post are worthless?

      How do you 'boost' them? The same way you 'boost' any other page. Thats a different subject.
      Thanks for an attempt at answering but theres nothing pro about that to me. We all know you should use quality content but doing things slowly doesn't make the links any stronger. People have known for over a year that spamming direct is no good. I know all of that already (Seriously think I didn't?) .

      Plus when you talk about boosting them thats right back to tiered link building and that too we all know. As for what you said was tiresome - it just happens to be true. Those tools create pages with no little or no juice flowing to them. You must not understand private blog networks to claim they all start out PR 0. Buy a domain with links and pr and your first post is on a high PR page and the juice is already flowing though your links no boosting needed and from higher quality sites not other PR zero pages.

      Its apples and oranges and I see no secret or high grade professional knowledge in all of that. Sure maybe a TOTAL newb would just go full monty straight to his site but not being a total newb doesn't mean that now slowly using the tools is some pro thing

      I still am not seeing anything but tiered link building being referred to. I do some web 2.0 stuff but back it up mostly with Pr sites not other software generated links so I am not knocking the whole thing I just am trying to figure out why people keep saying

      "you have to know how to do it'
      "in the hands of a expert"
      "theres a special way"
      "professional"

      When everybody is pretty much doing it the same way from what I can see with minor twists to their diagramming.
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      • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thanks for an attempt at answering but theres nothing pro about that to me. We all know you should use quality content but doing things slowly doesn't make the links any stronger. People have known for over a year that spamming direct is no good. I know all of that already (Seriously think I didn't?) .

        Plus when you talk about boosting them thats right back to tiered link building and that too we all know. As for what you said was tiresome - it just happens to be true. Those tools create pages with no little or no juice flowing to them. You must not understand private blog networks to claim they all start out PR 0. Buy a domain with links and pr and your first post is on a high PR page and the juice is already flowing though your links no boosting needed and from higher quality sites not other PR zero pages.

        Its apples and oranges and I see no secret or high grade professional knowledge in all of that. Sure maybe a TOTAL newb would just go full monty straight to his site but not being a total newb doesn't mean that now slowly using the tools is some pro thing

        I still am not seeing anything but tiered link building being referred to. I do some web 2.0 stuff but back it up mostly with Pr sites not other software generated links so I am not knocking the whole thing I just am trying to figure out why people keep saying

        "you have to know how to do it'
        "in the hands of a expert"
        "theres a special way"
        "professional"

        When everybody is pretty much doing it the same way from what I can see with minor twists to their diagramming.
        Im with ya, man. To me anyways, people are thinking that the pages that are being posted have link juice of their own that keep building and building the more they build, juice builds all through to their money site. It doesn't quite work that way. It is like apples and oranges. These pages should be thought of as new entities of their own, as you do with your pbn's. I know, yours do start with some pr or even lots of pr, I am talking about new pages you put onto your purchased domains, unless you structure links inwardly or rewrite the pages already there or whatever. These dont start out with any pr obviously. Well, they might get a little kick from the sites themself aiming links from other pages to yours.. but anyways, you would gather the urls that you have posted after your 'run', and do whatever it is you would do to a page to give them juice.. blog comments, guest posts, whatever. Why I say do it slow isnt like, well do it however fast you want, I just mean slow as in not blast away, you wont really benefit from using it like that.

        There is no secret sauce, really, you pretty much get it, probably have a better grasp on it than most people and even 'professionals' what with your experience about pbn's alone If there is some special, mysterious X factor professionals are doing, I would like to know as well! (but I kinda doubt it)
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          I am talking about new pages you put onto your purchased domains, unless you structure links inwardly or rewrite the pages already there or whatever. These dont start out with any pr obviously. Well, they might get a little kick from the sites themself aiming links from other pages to yours
          You are wrong about this.

          Let's say I just bought a brand new PR 5 domain. I throw up Wordpress with 3-4 articles and then add one more article with a link to my money site. That last article I added has its own page and that page is probably at least a PR 2 or 3 once Google crawls the site because the page is linked to from the homepage.

          We won't be able to see what the PR is until the next update, but it has PR pretty much as soon as it is indexed.
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          • Profile picture of the author spujap
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            You are wrong about this.

            Let's say I just bought a brand new PR 5 domain. I throw up Wordpress with 3-4 articles and then add one more article with a link to my money site. That last article I added has its own page and that page is probably at least a PR 2 or 3 once Google crawls the site because the page is linked to from the homepage.

            We won't be able to see what the PR is until the next update, but it has PR pretty much as soon as it is indexed.
            Usually I look for PR domains with few PR pages that are still indexed, though it's hard to find.

            Great results if this domain was historically having content = your niche.(can be checked using Wayback Archives)
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          • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
            Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

            These dont start out with any pr obviously.
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            You are wrong about this.

            Let's say I just bought a brand new PR 5 domain. I throw up Wordpress with 3-4 articles and then add one more article with a link to my money site. That last article I added has its own page and that page is probably at least a PR 2 or 3 once Google crawls the site because the page is linked to from the homepage.

            We won't be able to see what the PR is until the next update, but it has PR pretty much as soon as it is indexed.
            I know man, by "these" I meant your web20 pages.. unless, some of them might have links coming in from other existing pages, or by virtue of being on the homepage for a little while, might push a little pr into your new page. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Honestly, the only shit I've been using is Excel and MajesticSEO. :O
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Honestly, the only shit I've been using is Excel and MajesticSEO. :O

      Yeah but you are a newb that can't even give a homey a wedding to go to.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yeah but you are a newb that can't even give a homey a wedding to go to.

        One day I'm gonna prove your ass wrong. I'm going to send you and nest28 an invite and I'm going to fly your asses over here. Yukon and the rest of the gang can come too. I want to see that table argue throughout the wedding
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          One day I'm gonna prove your ass wrong. I'm going to send you and nest28 an invite and I'm going to fly your asses over here. Yukon and the rest of the gang can come too. I want to see that table argue throughout the wedding
          ROFL. literal LOL. Yuke wouldn't come to the wedding. He'd call it the Al Shapton table and run away and I am not talking about my table - I am talking about yours. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author spujap
    Natural looking content - Should follow Google's guidelines (search for a PDF published by Google) + information should be readable in a flow (e.g. Should not be like "SEO Service - We offer quality SEO service.....blah blah.....")

    Back links -

    Anchor text diversity (for keywords) is a must. I would build few quality links using sitename.com as anchor text.

    Links from top free sites(Authoritative sites) with variety of keywords - Social Bookmarks + Article Directories(including eZines) + Document Sharing Websites + Video Sharing Websites + Web 2.0 (Should be updated on a regular basis) + Press Releases - Freebies alone are not enough for medium competitive keywords. Should be done manually(or in a semi automatic way by using a tool that assists you doing them manually) without leaving foot prints (different accounts, active accounts with profile pictures). I use rewritten content for building these kind of links.(I have my own team here in India for doing that ).

    Links from quality (but not those sites which are only made for selling links) websites or blogs relevant to the niche of targeted website and keyword. - Could be either free e.g. by guest posting, sponsored posts (without any foot print) and link baiting or by purchasing from some one in private. Works for competitive keywords, I think relevance is the key , 1 quality relevant back link is equivalent to at least 5 links from article directories .

    FB, Twitter, Google + - Share it with as many people. More tweets/votes/likes that you get, better are chances to rank higher. Adding Authorship and uploading a real pic helps. Tweets from s/w generated accounts like wgfegfgjfgj123 never work.

    Linklicious.me works great.

    Slow Link Building - 40 indexed links/day is limit for me for new sites, can be higher for well established websites.

    For brand new websites if you build a lot of links with in first two months with too less content Google may find some thing fishy and it's easier for your website to come in their radar (tough it might not get penalized always).

    When a new blog selling few affiliate links get's 1000s of links in 1 month then it would raise every one's eyebrow. But if you have some thing worthy (unique) at your blog, this might seem natural. Using an old domain which has a good deal of authority is helpful.(There are many places to find such ones)

    I think when some one claims to be pro in SEO, he/she should be able to analyze the best fit keywords, competition, how easy or difficult is it to get it ranked at 1st page of search results and what it takes (time n efforts/money).
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    3-4... I don't know how many it takes to delete a thread
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I don't know if spujap's post is a joke or not.
      If it's not, the joke's on him, cuz that is some darn
      funny crapola that the average person here would have
      trouble reading with a straight face.

      Who is this person who lives in a cave that everybody follows?
      I'd like to meet him. Somewhere there is some guy who
      puts out a lot of stuff that sheep follow off a cliff.

      But why? Why do they keep following this guy? That's the guy
      who should post a reply.

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    There is no hard test to become a "professional" SEO.

    If you can get your site ranked where you want it, you are a pro. If not, you are a scrub.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    True SEO professionals use those tools on competitor sites and then report them for spamming if they don't drop on their own. I hear tweeting Matt cuts directly with the URL & keyword does wonders too. Be sure to taunt him about how big of a joke his algo is since the last update missed it. Do that for evey site above yours and walla, top 3 rankings. Plan B of course is spamming job applications to your local McDonalds.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      True SEO professionals use those tools on competitor sites and then report them for spamming if they don't drop on their own. I hear tweeting Matt cuts directly with the URL & keyword does wonders too. Be sure to taunt him about how big of a joke his algo is since the last update missed it. Do that for evey site above yours and walla, top 3 rankings.
      DING! DING! DING!

      We have a winner. Thats a pro move....Sleazy pro move but still a pro move.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        DING! DING! DING!

        We have a winner. Thats a pro move....Sleazy pro move but still a pro move.
        What about the prize bro. I figure you could at least shoot me a PR5. God knows you probably have more than you need after all this time in the game.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

          What about the prize bro. I figure you could at least shoot me a PR5. God knows you probably have more than you need after all this time in the game.
          Look up at your post. Backlinko and I already gave you your prize. lol
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          • Profile picture of the author dennis09
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Look up at your post. Backlinko and I already gave you your prize. lol
            So how many of those do I need before you give up a pr5?
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    I hear tweeting Matt cuts directly with the URL & keyword does wonders too.
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    Very funny post, but I do believe automated tools has their place for ranking currently.
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    meta keywords are back dude
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Benefit on the tiered link building of other spammers. You know those shownews url's and trackback pages with insane high Ahrefs rank and PA.

    Too bad SenukeX, UltimateDemon, Licorne or GSA can't post on any of those.

    They do make pretty solid links to use at web2.0's and such. Well solid, it's total crap but it has tons of authority that flows through and it's effective to rank, at least I'm told so, still have to try it out myself on some site that I can afford to lose.
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